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oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 09:05:42
May 29 2012 09:04 GMT
#301
Sun lost because he was massing immortals for a heavy timing attack and soulkey constantly drew him out of position with counter attacks that Sun didn't defend well at all. Sun's economy was really bad and his composition was not quite right to deal with brood lord/infestor. While that is a hard army for protoss to beat when the brood lord count gets very high, it is definitely doable, especially with good use of vortex and mass stalker reinforcements. If Sun had better production he could have pulled out a win, as soulkey's eco was pretty low too, but he just had all the wrong units and no money. His harass was also really poor aside from the small stalker attack taking out a base, so he never really properly disrupted his opponent's army production.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
May 29 2012 09:53 GMT
#302
It's funny coming into an LR and not seeing people LRing because they dont understand SC2 well enough yet (and neither do the players so the strategic analysis back fires half the time because you expect them to behave a certain way and they usually dont).
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1981 Posts
May 29 2012 09:54 GMT
#303
sad boring series and skt1 lost again ^^
i dont think i will watch more proleague
Total Annihilation Zero
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
May 29 2012 09:59 GMT
#304
So I'm gone for 2 weeks and an SKT LR thread has a big total of 16 pages.
The disheartening thing is that half the LR is people doing actual LR on the BW games and the second half is mostly people arguing - most of what I saw is that SC2 is not as boring as it seems here.

I really don't have much to say about the games either. Bisu and Fantasy win in BW as they should and then Stars somehow takes the win. Pffffffffft.

Well... I guess that's that. I hope Fantasy manages to snatch the top ELO spot, if not from this game then from the next one.
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 29 2012 16:39 GMT
#305
Such is the problem of a forgettable league.
Few of us care about SC2. I don't even care enough to watch my favorite players there on a regular basis. Every time I give SC2 a chance I get disappointed again. Maybe I should stop.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
May 29 2012 16:51 GMT
#306
On May 30 2012 01:39 Lightwip wrote:
Such is the problem of a forgettable league.
Few of us care about SC2. I don't even care enough to watch my favorite players there on a regular basis. Every time I give SC2 a chance I get disappointed again. Maybe I should stop.


If you judge SC2 game play by Proleague's standard, then I would say you are doing it wrong
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 29 2012 17:09 GMT
#307
On May 30 2012 01:51 Veldril wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 01:39 Lightwip wrote:
Such is the problem of a forgettable league.
Few of us care about SC2. I don't even care enough to watch my favorite players there on a regular basis. Every time I give SC2 a chance I get disappointed again. Maybe I should stop.


If you judge SC2 game play by Proleague's standard, then I would say you are doing it wrong

I've watched plenty of non-PL SC2 games over different time periods. Each has led to only disappointment.
I think there's a pattern here.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
May 29 2012 17:22 GMT
#308
On May 30 2012 02:09 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 01:51 Veldril wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:39 Lightwip wrote:
Such is the problem of a forgettable league.
Few of us care about SC2. I don't even care enough to watch my favorite players there on a regular basis. Every time I give SC2 a chance I get disappointed again. Maybe I should stop.


If you judge SC2 game play by Proleague's standard, then I would say you are doing it wrong

I've watched plenty of non-PL SC2 games over different time periods. Each has led to only disappointment.
I think there's a pattern here.

maybe you should pursue other interests, since this is clearly not working out for you
Jar Jar Binks
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
May 29 2012 17:25 GMT
#309
On May 30 2012 02:09 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 01:51 Veldril wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:39 Lightwip wrote:
Such is the problem of a forgettable league.
Few of us care about SC2. I don't even care enough to watch my favorite players there on a regular basis. Every time I give SC2 a chance I get disappointed again. Maybe I should stop.


If you judge SC2 game play by Proleague's standard, then I would say you are doing it wrong

I've watched plenty of non-PL SC2 games over different time periods. Each has led to only disappointment.
I think there's a pattern here.


I understand. I'm a bit biased towards SC2 and you guys towards BW.
Didn't follow any E-sports until Dreamhack Summer last year where there was SC2. Since then I'm in love with SC2. Tried to watch BW but I found it hard to follow, especially with the Korean casters. Now I can watch it for the really good plays from the very top players, but I don't know much about the game, especially not game theory.
For the same reason I watch BW I'm excited to see that talent transfer to SC2 because of their capacity to make insane plays and change the meta-game.

SC2 is still very undevelopped, balance is maybe not exactly balanced, (but that's pretty hard to tell because meta-game is far from utopic right now) and I would expect BW pros to make SC2 the best e-sports out there.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 17:34:00
May 29 2012 17:31 GMT
#310
On May 30 2012 02:22 BlackGosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 02:09 Lightwip wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:51 Veldril wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:39 Lightwip wrote:
Such is the problem of a forgettable league.
Few of us care about SC2. I don't even care enough to watch my favorite players there on a regular basis. Every time I give SC2 a chance I get disappointed again. Maybe I should stop.


If you judge SC2 game play by Proleague's standard, then I would say you are doing it wrong

I've watched plenty of non-PL SC2 games over different time periods. Each has led to only disappointment.
I think there's a pattern here.

maybe you should pursue other interests, since this is clearly not working out for you

Who says I'm not? Being elsewhere and being here are not mutually exclusive.

On May 30 2012 02:25 MetalPanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 02:09 Lightwip wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:51 Veldril wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:39 Lightwip wrote:
Such is the problem of a forgettable league.
Few of us care about SC2. I don't even care enough to watch my favorite players there on a regular basis. Every time I give SC2 a chance I get disappointed again. Maybe I should stop.


If you judge SC2 game play by Proleague's standard, then I would say you are doing it wrong

I've watched plenty of non-PL SC2 games over different time periods. Each has led to only disappointment.
I think there's a pattern here.


I understand. I'm a bit biased towards SC2 and you guys towards BW.
Didn't follow any E-sports until Dreamhack Summer last year where there was SC2. Since then I'm in love with SC2. Tried to watch BW but I found it hard to follow, especially with the Korean casters. Now I can watch it for the really good plays from the very top players, but I don't know much about the game, especially not game theory.

If your problem is this, try watching the foreign leagues. It is of comparable entertainment values and in English.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 17:34:51
May 29 2012 17:34 GMT
#311
@MetalPanda
I'm glad to see a well articulated post. I get your point, I mean, I've played enough SC2 in the past to know the units and what they do, yet when I watched a semifinals TvZ on some GSL--I don't even remember the players--I just found it incredibly dull, and all the shiny stuff on the screen made my eyes hurt. I think as far as the foreign community goes, it's pretty clear that this proleague experiment is a huge failure.
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
Operations
Profile Joined February 2012
115 Posts
May 29 2012 17:52 GMT
#312
Fantasy shut down all the bio critics. He demonstrated really amazing performance and m&m split. next game he'll make no tanks at all :D
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 18:11:17
May 29 2012 18:10 GMT
#313
On May 30 2012 02:52 Operations wrote:
Fantasy shut down all the bio critics. He demonstrated really amazing performance and m&m split. next game he'll make no tanks at all :D


Funny thing is that he said practicing SC2 help him improve his Bio control I guess if you have to go Bio for like at least 2 match up would help him that.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
May 29 2012 19:21 GMT
#314
On May 30 2012 02:31 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 02:22 BlackGosu wrote:
On May 30 2012 02:09 Lightwip wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:51 Veldril wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:39 Lightwip wrote:
Such is the problem of a forgettable league.
Few of us care about SC2. I don't even care enough to watch my favorite players there on a regular basis. Every time I give SC2 a chance I get disappointed again. Maybe I should stop.


If you judge SC2 game play by Proleague's standard, then I would say you are doing it wrong

I've watched plenty of non-PL SC2 games over different time periods. Each has led to only disappointment.
I think there's a pattern here.

maybe you should pursue other interests, since this is clearly not working out for you

Who says I'm not? Being elsewhere and being here are not mutually exclusive.

Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 02:25 MetalPanda wrote:
On May 30 2012 02:09 Lightwip wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:51 Veldril wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:39 Lightwip wrote:
Such is the problem of a forgettable league.
Few of us care about SC2. I don't even care enough to watch my favorite players there on a regular basis. Every time I give SC2 a chance I get disappointed again. Maybe I should stop.


If you judge SC2 game play by Proleague's standard, then I would say you are doing it wrong

I've watched plenty of non-PL SC2 games over different time periods. Each has led to only disappointment.
I think there's a pattern here.


I understand. I'm a bit biased towards SC2 and you guys towards BW.
Didn't follow any E-sports until Dreamhack Summer last year where there was SC2. Since then I'm in love with SC2. Tried to watch BW but I found it hard to follow, especially with the Korean casters. Now I can watch it for the really good plays from the very top players, but I don't know much about the game, especially not game theory.

If your problem is this, try watching the foreign leagues. It is of comparable entertainment values and in English.


I just watch Sayle, because I realize KeSPA's observers are really good at their job, and I just want to watch the best plays, and I got no one to root for besides TBLS.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 29 2012 19:57 GMT
#315
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA Shocking results.
kiss kiss fall in love
xHerodotusx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom114 Posts
May 29 2012 20:07 GMT
#316
WOONGJIN HWAITANG!
ZerO - Seal - Life - Taeja - Parting - Squirtle
Hazzyboy
Profile Joined January 2012
Estonia555 Posts
May 29 2012 20:20 GMT
#317
Explain how SKT winning 3-2 had to play an ACE game which made it 3-3 an Stars won? WTF is SC2 win = 2 BW wins or what am I missing? Kespa is a joke with their pathetic hybrid system which is a failure which makes players play different game. Hey lets make a Hybrid football/basketball league with same players struggling to entertain us.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
May 29 2012 20:33 GMT
#318
On May 30 2012 05:20 Hazzyboy wrote:
Explain how SKT winning 3-2 had to play an ACE game which made it 3-3 an Stars won? WTF is SC2 win = 2 BW wins or what am I missing? Kespa is a joke with their pathetic hybrid system which is a failure which makes players play different game. Hey lets make a Hybrid football/basketball league with same players struggling to entertain us.


There are two BO3 before an Ace match. The first BO3 is BW and the Second is SC2 with SC2 Ace match. SKT won the BW BO3 2-0, WS won SC2 BO3 2-1. So it went to an Ace match, which WS won.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
rslee
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada226 Posts
May 29 2012 22:27 GMT
#319
On May 30 2012 05:20 Hazzyboy wrote:
Explain how SKT winning 3-2 had to play an ACE game which made it 3-3 an Stars won? WTF is SC2 win = 2 BW wins or what am I missing? Kespa is a joke with their pathetic hybrid system which is a failure which makes players play different game. Hey lets make a Hybrid football/basketball league with same players struggling to entertain us.


It's really not that hard to understand. Don't blame KeSPA for you're inability to understand a simple duel Bo3.
Goal for when I go to korea: Hang out with 김택용
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 29 2012 22:32 GMT
#320
On May 30 2012 04:21 MetalPanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 02:31 Lightwip wrote:
On May 30 2012 02:22 BlackGosu wrote:
On May 30 2012 02:09 Lightwip wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:51 Veldril wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:39 Lightwip wrote:
Such is the problem of a forgettable league.
Few of us care about SC2. I don't even care enough to watch my favorite players there on a regular basis. Every time I give SC2 a chance I get disappointed again. Maybe I should stop.


If you judge SC2 game play by Proleague's standard, then I would say you are doing it wrong

I've watched plenty of non-PL SC2 games over different time periods. Each has led to only disappointment.
I think there's a pattern here.

maybe you should pursue other interests, since this is clearly not working out for you

Who says I'm not? Being elsewhere and being here are not mutually exclusive.

On May 30 2012 02:25 MetalPanda wrote:
On May 30 2012 02:09 Lightwip wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:51 Veldril wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:39 Lightwip wrote:
Such is the problem of a forgettable league.
Few of us care about SC2. I don't even care enough to watch my favorite players there on a regular basis. Every time I give SC2 a chance I get disappointed again. Maybe I should stop.


If you judge SC2 game play by Proleague's standard, then I would say you are doing it wrong

I've watched plenty of non-PL SC2 games over different time periods. Each has led to only disappointment.
I think there's a pattern here.


I understand. I'm a bit biased towards SC2 and you guys towards BW.
Didn't follow any E-sports until Dreamhack Summer last year where there was SC2. Since then I'm in love with SC2. Tried to watch BW but I found it hard to follow, especially with the Korean casters. Now I can watch it for the really good plays from the very top players, but I don't know much about the game, especially not game theory.

If your problem is this, try watching the foreign leagues. It is of comparable entertainment values and in English.


I just watch Sayle, because I realize KeSPA's observers are really good at their job, and I just want to watch the best plays, and I got no one to root for besides TBLS.


Bro watch Gem League, it's just fantastic.
kiss kiss fall in love
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