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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
May 20 2012 08:43 GMT
#1281
I'm glad the protoss we're seeing is modern day protoss and not the year+ protoss of just making deathball colossus and attacking
@QxGDarkCell ._.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51125 Posts
May 20 2012 08:44 GMT
#1282
Poll: howl ong till someone makes a motive fanclub

10 mins (15)
 
79%

a while (4)
 
21%

19 total votes

Your vote: howl ong till someone makes a motive fanclub

(Vote): 10 mins
(Vote): a while

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
May 20 2012 08:44 GMT
#1283
On May 20 2012 17:43 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:42 Sandermatt wrote:
So do I get that right? Lizzy has no televised BW games, so he could have been training SC2 for a month or for a year, we don't know? I wonder how good he is at BW.


he was recruited in the rookie draft in march 2011, no way would coach lee force him to practice SC2 that early.

His play was not even polished it was just Effort failing at timings.
Stork[gm]
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
May 20 2012 08:45 GMT
#1284
On May 20 2012 17:43 Live2Win wrote:
someone needs to go and recruit MC, he's probably one of the most balanced BW/SC2 players out there.

Oh and Nada

MC didn't play BW for like 2 years now lol
Cackle™
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 20 2012 08:45 GMT
#1285
wow i still didnt get to see a single unit that i wanted bar the immortal
▲ ▲ ▲
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4372 Posts
May 20 2012 08:45 GMT
#1286
On May 20 2012 17:42 Sandermatt wrote:
So do I get that right? Lizzy has no televised BW games, so he could have been training SC2 for a month or for a year, we don't know? I wonder how good he is at BW.


Well we will get to see how good motive is in BW next week :p



Sad to see Effort losing but still, he looked better in sc2 than the others I saw so there's hope for CJ
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
Rainfall7711
Profile Joined December 2011
329 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 08:47:45
May 20 2012 08:45 GMT
#1287
On May 20 2012 17:41 alffla wrote:
lol i didnt really get that game just both players massing then no harass then just an annoying warp prism thing flying aroudn which never gets killed and then protoss moves out and ggs >_>

(this is probably like my 2nd or 3rd time awtching sc2)


I know what you mean. SC2 watcher here. The thing is because some of these players have no concept of harass right now, games are just mass up and fight. Now, generally if you do that, Protoss is going to win. The games look simple because of this. I urge you to check out other SC2 tournaments to get a feel for the real metagame, it's really quite exciting. These guys seem to have good mechanics, and once they learn the game i'm sure they will be great.

Terrans need to pressure Protoss and Zerg. Protoss should really have to pressure Zerg. While Zerg can mass up but have great run by options. But more than that there are just a TON of things these guys aren't doing right now.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 20 2012 08:45 GMT
#1288
On May 20 2012 17:45 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:43 Live2Win wrote:
someone needs to go and recruit MC, he's probably one of the most balanced BW/SC2 players out there.

Oh and Nada

MC didn't play BW for like 2 years now lol

MVP I think would be the better choice, no?
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
May 20 2012 08:45 GMT
#1289
Effort needed to unburrow his roaches and snipe the sentries when they were right on top of him moving towards his 4th. Also less infested terrans needed and more fungal.
Overall the best sc2 game thus far was still Lizzy's first with those sweet feedbacks and storms.

I do have to say I will be incredibly happy if we go the whole day and not single collosi is made by any of the toss.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
May 20 2012 08:45 GMT
#1290
On May 20 2012 17:45 Taekwon wrote:
wow i still didnt get to see a single unit that i wanted bar the immortal

You saw green catapults tho.
Cackle™
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
May 20 2012 08:46 GMT
#1291
On May 20 2012 17:43 mcmartini wrote:
Apparelntly lizzy joing KT in march and had been playing sc2 beforehand so sort of a harsh move by KT


It actually makes good sense for a rich team like KT. Just play him in one set. Given that there are only 7 matches in a round, 1 win is actually pretty important. And by next season he can play full time. Lizzy doesn't even have to play a single BW game to be helpful.
Meh
Notfragile
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece713 Posts
May 20 2012 08:46 GMT
#1292
Effort played great till the 11 min mark. He was on 3 base, taking a 4th, had perfect saturation and the key upgrades (roach speed, roach burrow movement and burrow upgrade). He could (and should) have denied the protoss 3rd or at least traded armies while he teched up.

The problem with PvZ is the unstoppable protoss army if P has 160 supply or more unless the zerg has broodlords.
So watch for the transition to broodlords. That's the PvZ key. If the zerg does not keep the protoss army small, Z dies to a push like that, while teching up. So, in response to a poster above, 165 supply "was" max. Zerg was waiting for his broodlords to fill the rest of the population.

I would suggest a link to a quite nice strategy thread if you'd like to be able to see more easily what's happening in PvZ game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320038
"The art of war is of vital importance to the state" || MVP.Keen fan since the day he stole my heart with a double 2rax. http://i.imgur.com/A82cl.gif
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4372 Posts
May 20 2012 08:46 GMT
#1293
On May 20 2012 17:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Poll: howl ong till someone makes a motive fanclub

10 mins (15)
 
79%

a while (4)
 
21%

19 total votes

Your vote: howl ong till someone makes a motive fanclub

(Vote): 10 mins
(Vote): a while




Will they make a motive or a lizzy fan club? since at least in this thread people are referring to him as lizzy instead of motive =/
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
May 20 2012 08:46 GMT
#1294
On May 20 2012 17:25 Katsuge wrote:
What's an archon toilet?

Sorry, I barely know anything abt sc2, tho I have the game..


This is the archon toilet that happened at last night GSL finals. Watch what happens to MVP's mass Battle Cruisers.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51125 Posts
May 20 2012 08:46 GMT
#1295
On May 20 2012 17:45 Taekwon wrote:
wow i still didnt get to see a single unit that i wanted bar the immortal


dude trust me collosi are such bad units to watch its just so bad....
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
May 20 2012 08:47 GMT
#1296
On May 20 2012 17:45 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:45 TheKefka wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:43 Live2Win wrote:
someone needs to go and recruit MC, he's probably one of the most balanced BW/SC2 players out there.

Oh and Nada

MC didn't play BW for like 2 years now lol

MVP I think would be the better choice, no?


With this format they woudlnt even have to win there BW matches, they would just have to make sure to not lose the sc2 set then win the Ace Match when it applies.
Rainfall7711
Profile Joined December 2011
329 Posts
May 20 2012 08:47 GMT
#1297
On May 20 2012 17:45 Rainfall7711 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:41 alffla wrote:
lol i didnt really get that game just both players massing then no harass then just an annoying warp prism thing flying aroudn which never gets killed and then protoss moves out and ggs >_>

(this is probably like my 2nd or 3rd time awtching sc2)


I know what you mean. SC2 watcher here. The thing is because some of these players have no concept of harass right now, games are just mass up and fight. Now, generally if you do that, Protoss is going to win. The games look simple because of this. I urge you to check out other SC2 tournaments to get a feel for the real metagame, it's really quite exciting. These guys seem to have good mechanics, and once they learn the game i'm sure they will be great.

Terrans need to pressure Protoss and Zerg. Protoss should really have to pressure Zerg. While Zerg can mass up but have great run by options. But more than that there are just a TON of things these guys aren't doing right now.

BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51125 Posts
May 20 2012 08:47 GMT
#1298
On May 20 2012 17:46 KobraKay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Poll: howl ong till someone makes a motive fanclub

10 mins (15)
 
79%

a while (4)
 
21%

19 total votes

Your vote: howl ong till someone makes a motive fanclub

(Vote): 10 mins
(Vote): a while




Will they make a motive or a lizzy fan club? since at least in this thread people are referring to him as lizzy instead of motive =/


I saw the back of his jacket, it said min soo, thats not lizzy.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
May 20 2012 08:48 GMT
#1299
On May 20 2012 17:44 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:43 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:42 Sandermatt wrote:
So do I get that right? Lizzy has no televised BW games, so he could have been training SC2 for a month or for a year, we don't know? I wonder how good he is at BW.


he was recruited in the rookie draft in march 2011, no way would coach lee force him to practice SC2 that early.

His play was not even polished it was just Effort failing at timings.


I think it was more that Effort invested so heavily in Roaches and Lings relatively early on but couldn't pressure due to Lizzy making Immortals. Had he gone for a smaller amount of units just to keep mapcontrol he could have either gotten Broodlords or maxed on Roaches and Infestors to hold off that push.
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
May 20 2012 08:48 GMT
#1300
On May 20 2012 17:46 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:43 mcmartini wrote:
Apparelntly lizzy joing KT in march and had been playing sc2 beforehand so sort of a harsh move by KT


It actually makes good sense for a rich team like KT. Just play him in one set. Given that there are only 7 matches in a round, 1 win is actually pretty important. And by next season he can play full time. Lizzy doesn't even have to play a single BW game to be helpful.

Something to note is that he's on the same SC2-rotation as Flash is, so they can put him up third in BW and put Flash and someone else (HoeJJa wasn't played, for example, or maybe if the rotations change, Stats) with the hopes of taking BW 2-0.

Then again, there's also the possibility that he was signed for BW and just happened to also be amazing at SC2, so he has something to bring to the table for BW as well.
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