Set 1:Flash< Neo Electric Circuit > Action Flash is 9-0 this season against zergs and 4-1 on Neo Electric Circuit (3-0 against zergs), Action is 6-1 against terrans and 0-2 on the same map (didn't play against terrans). However team kills are always very difficult to predict. Action's form coming out of the playoffs as well as his performance in the ODT was solid and produced very good games. However Flash is still favored going into this match up, hoping for a good long drawn out macro game, but predicting that Action will probably try to break out of his Macro-hive-defiler mentality to surprise flash with a lurker or speedling timing. Set 2: Fantasy < Gladiator > mini Fantasy is 4-0 against Protoss' this season and 7-2 on gladiator (2-1 against toss). Mini's only win against terran came from a proxy cheese and has never played on gladiator in televised games. Knowing fantasy's practice mentality and history of being one of the very few terrans capable of winning against any protoss style or timing, he's definitely favored going into this game. The only thing in going in mini's favor is his momentum coming into the game as well as his obscurity, fantasy's vs toss style has always been a combination of vulture and dropship play with heavy management in the late game, where as mini has never demonstrated his vT strategy. Gladiator is a map with an extremely open center which lends itself to many different ways for the protoss to pincer, backstab, or surround the terran mech army while it's moving out, but fantasy has always demonstrated that he is capable of controlling the map and denying the protoss the ability to comfortably clear mines and thus deny any such technical maneuvers. If mini wants to win he needs to hit fantasy at a mid game timing before he sets up his third as the terran needs to be heavily entrenched across two ramps to make that happen. If it goes to late game fantasy is heavily favored. Set 3: hyvaa < New Sniper Ridge > Shine How Hyvaa and Shine consistently upset S class players is always something that fascinated me, this will most likely be the least anticipated match of the night given that it's a ZvZ as well as having the players that knocked JD / Bisu out of OSL runs. That being said both players have defeated the likes of Jaedong and Soulkey to get into the Ro16, and Shine actually boasts a >60% ZvZ win rate which might be surprising. The changes to new sniper ridge don't affect this match up significantly, given the volatility of the match up this is a hard prediction to make. Hyvaa is 0-2 on sniper ridge with a loss against Effort, and Hyvaa has never played on it. I'm just going to call Shine wins by a speedling timing while Hyvaa tries to do something fancy like his first game vs Roro in the ODT. Set 4: SoO < Neo Ground Zero > Stork Soo is 4-2 against protoss' and 1-1 on Ground Zero (non against protoss), Stork is 5-1 against Zerg and 2-2 on Ground Zero (1-1 against zerg). The changes to the map is a direct nerf to close third zerg play which means that the mid game is going to be riding on the zerg securing another corner gas expansion and the protoss trying to bust it. Stork should be favored going into this match up regardless of the stigma that he dies to Zerg rushes or busts. Predicting a stork win by speedlot timing or some variation of Reaver / Corsair play in the mid game as long as he doesn't fall to another hydra/ling bust.
Yes, yes, I know who you are, SoO, but I had to do it for the joke! See, it's funny because Stork often loses to hydra busts from random Zergs, and...yes, yes, I know how famous you are. Yes, yes, I love you, too. I'm gonna be rooting for Stork, though. Sorry.
Predictions: Set 1:Flash< Neo Electric Circuit > Action Flash is 9-0 this season against zergs and 4-1 on Neo Electric Circuit (3-0 against zergs), Action is 6-1 against terrans and 0-2 on the same map (didn't play against terrans). However team kills are always very difficult to predict. Action's form coming out of the playoffs as well as his performance in the ODT was solid and produced very good games. However Flash is still favored going into this match up, hoping for a good long drawn out macro game, but predicting that Action will probably try to break out of his Macro-hive-defiler mentality to surprise flash with a lurker or speedling timing. Set 2: Fantasy < Gladiator > mini Fantasy is 4-0 against Protoss' this season and 7-2 on gladiator (2-1 against toss). Mini's only win against terran came from a proxy cheese and has never played on gladiator in televised games. Knowing fantasy's practice mentality and history of being one of the very few terrans capable of winning against any protoss style or timing, he's definitely favored going into this game. The only thing in going in mini's favor is his momentum coming into the game as well as his obscurity, fantasy's vs toss style has always been a combination of vulture and dropship play with heavy management in the late game, where as mini has never demonstrated his vT strategy. Gladiator is a map with an extremely open center which lends itself to many different ways for the protoss to pincer, backstab, or surround the terran mech army while it's moving out, but fantasy has always demonstrated that he is capable of controlling the map and denying the protoss the ability to comfortably clear mines and thus deny any such technical maneuvers. If mini wants to win he needs to hit fantasy at a mid game timing before he sets up his third as the terran needs to be heavily entrenched across two ramps to make that happen. If it goes to late game fantasy is heavily favored. Set 3: hyvaa < New Sniper Ridge > Shine How Hyvaa and Shine consistently upset S class players is always something that fascinated me, this will most likely be the least anticipated match of the night given that it's a ZvZ as well as having the players that knocked JD / Bisu out of OSL runs. That being said both players have defeated the likes of Jaedong and Soulkey to get into the Ro16, and Shine actually boasts a >60% ZvZ win rate which might be surprising. The changes to new sniper ridge don't affect this match up significantly, given the volatility of the match up this is a hard prediction to make. Hyvaa is 0-2 on sniper ridge with a loss against Effort, and Hyvaa has never played on it. I'm just going to call Shine wins by a speedling timing while Hyvaa tries to do something fancy like his first game vs Roro in the ODT. Set 4: SoO < Neo Ground Zero > Stork Soo is 4-2 against protoss' and 1-1 on Ground Zero (non against protoss), Stork is 5-1 against Zerg and 2-2 on Ground Zero (1-1 against zerg). The changes to the map is a direct nerf to close third zerg play which means that the mid game is going to be riding on the zerg securing another corner gas expansion and the protoss trying to bust it. Stork should be favored going into this match up regardless of the stigma that he dies to Zerg rushes or busts. Predicting a stork win by speedlot timing or some variation of Reaver / Corsair play in the mid game as long as he doesn't fall to another hydra/ling bust.
Yes, yes, I know who you are, SoO, but I had to do it for the joke! See, it's funny because Stork often loses to hydra busts from random Zergs, and...yes, yes, I know how famous you are. Yes, yes, I love you, too. I'm gonna be rooting for Stork, though. Sorry.
Stork vowed to take Soo down in the ceremony. And when Stork is determined, he can do anything.
i actually think that out of all Zergs, action has best chances against flash. he isn't better than them, but some "I'm his teammate" features can kick in. Can't wait to see this. Well, maybe it actually happens.
Flash maybe favored to win the KT teamkill match but Action has inside knowledge on how he plays, so this will be interesting. Besides Flash, I heard that Action has the best in-house record
Yes, yes, I know who you are, SoO, but I had to do it for the joke! See, it's funny because Stork often loses to hydra busts from random Zergs, and...yes, yes, I know how famous you are. Yes, yes, I love you, too. I'm gonna be rooting for Stork, though. Sorry.
Yes, yes, I know who you are, SoO, but I had to do it for the joke! See, it's funny because Stork often loses to hydra busts from random Zergs, and...yes, yes, I know how famous you are. Yes, yes, I love you, too. I'm gonna be rooting for Stork, though. Sorry.
Stork vowed to take Soo down in the ceremony. And when Stork is determined, he can do anything.
He can do anything when he is determined, except for winning a OSL. lol
Yes, yes, I know who you are, SoO, but I had to do it for the joke! See, it's funny because Stork often loses to hydra busts from random Zergs, and...yes, yes, I know how famous you are. Yes, yes, I love you, too. I'm gonna be rooting for Stork, though. Sorry.
We're talking about Stork here, not Bisu.
Remember those 5 pools from earlier this season? It could be lings, it could be hydras.
Yes, yes, I know who you are, SoO, but I had to do it for the joke! See, it's funny because Stork often loses to hydra busts from random Zergs, and...yes, yes, I know how famous you are. Yes, yes, I love you, too. I'm gonna be rooting for Stork, though. Sorry.
Stork vowed to take Soo down in the ceremony. And when Stork is determined, he can do anything.
He can do anything when he is determined, except for winning a OSL. lol
Yes, yes, I know who you are, SoO, but I had to do it for the joke! See, it's funny because Stork often loses to hydra busts from random Zergs, and...yes, yes, I know how famous you are. Yes, yes, I love you, too. I'm gonna be rooting for Stork, though. Sorry.
We're talking about Stork here, not Bisu.
Remember those 5 pools from earlier this season? It could be lings, it could be hydras.
Yes, yes, I know who you are, SoO, but I had to do it for the joke! See, it's funny because Stork often loses to hydra busts from random Zergs, and...yes, yes, I know how famous you are. Yes, yes, I love you, too. I'm gonna be rooting for Stork, though. Sorry.
Stork vowed to take Soo down in the ceremony. And when Stork is determined, he can do anything.
He can do anything when he is determined, except for winning a OSL. lol
Get outta of here, you misguided ignorant.
The truth hurts, no point in being so sore about it.. gotta accept the fact bro
Yes, yes, I know who you are, SoO, but I had to do it for the joke! See, it's funny because Stork often loses to hydra busts from random Zergs, and...yes, yes, I know how famous you are. Yes, yes, I love you, too. I'm gonna be rooting for Stork, though. Sorry.
Stork vowed to take Soo down in the ceremony. And when Stork is determined, he can do anything.
He can do anything when he is determined, except for winning a OSL. lol
Get outta of here, you misguided ignorant.
The truth hurts, no point in being so sore about it.. gotta accept the fact bro
Yes, yes, I know who you are, SoO, but I had to do it for the joke! See, it's funny because Stork often loses to hydra busts from random Zergs, and...yes, yes, I know how famous you are. Yes, yes, I love you, too. I'm gonna be rooting for Stork, though. Sorry.
Stork vowed to take Soo down in the ceremony. And when Stork is determined, he can do anything.
He can do anything when he is determined, except for winning a OSL. lol
Get outta of here, you misguided ignorant.
The truth hurts, no point in being so sore about it.. gotta accept the fact bro
I'd like to know which universe you reside in, where it's considered a "fact" that someone with an OSL gold can't win an OSL.
On May 16 2012 10:58 Neo7 wrote: Stork will destroy everyone in this OSL
If you think about it, Stork should have an advantage over everyone else. It used to be that everyone else just practiced for BW while Stork split his time between BW and WOW/cellphone games/girlfriend/random other stuff. Now everyone's splitting time between BW and SC2 while Stork can maintain his normal schedule of not practicing BW full time.
On May 16 2012 10:58 Neo7 wrote: Stork will destroy everyone in this OSL
If you think about it, Stork should have an advantage over everyone else. It used to be that everyone else just practiced for BW while Stork split his time between BW and WOW/cellphone games/girlfriend/random other stuff. Now everyone's splitting time between BW and SC2 while Stork can maintain his normal schedule of not practicing BW full time.
PRECISELY
And Mini is going to beat Fantasy real bad, just watch.
On May 16 2012 10:58 Neo7 wrote: Stork will destroy everyone in this OSL
If you think about it, Stork should have an advantage over everyone else. It used to be that everyone else just practiced for BW while Stork split his time between BW and WOW/cellphone games/girlfriend/random other stuff. Now everyone's splitting time between BW and SC2 while Stork can maintain his normal schedule of not practicing BW full time.
On May 16 2012 10:58 Neo7 wrote: Stork will destroy everyone in this OSL
If you think about it, Stork should have an advantage over everyone else. It used to be that everyone else just practiced for BW while Stork split his time between BW and WOW/cellphone games/girlfriend/random other stuff. Now everyone's splitting time between BW and SC2 while Stork can maintain his normal schedule of not practicing BW full time.
PRECISELY
And Mini is going to beat Fantasy real bad, just watch.
So you could say that Stork has been preparing for the OSL his entire career ._.
On May 16 2012 10:58 Neo7 wrote: Stork will destroy everyone in this OSL
If you think about it, Stork should have an advantage over everyone else. It used to be that everyone else just practiced for BW while Stork split his time between BW and WOW/cellphone games/girlfriend/random other stuff. Now everyone's splitting time between BW and SC2 while Stork can maintain his normal schedule of not practicing BW full time.
PRECISELY
And Mini is going to beat Fantasy real bad, just watch.
So you could say that Stork has been preparing for the OSL his entire career ._.
Where's conspiracy bisu
Rofl...
As long as Flash wins today Im happy. If Fantasy ends up losing to Mini it will be a cute bonus thou. The other two matches meh,
On May 16 2012 10:58 Neo7 wrote: Stork will destroy everyone in this OSL
If you think about it, Stork should have an advantage over everyone else. It used to be that everyone else just practiced for BW while Stork split his time between BW and WOW/cellphone games/girlfriend/random other stuff. Now everyone's splitting time between BW and SC2 while Stork can maintain his normal schedule of not practicing BW full time.
PRECISELY
And Mini is going to beat Fantasy real bad, just watch.
So you could say that Stork has been preparing for the OSL his entire career ._.
Where's conspiracy bisu
I think that in term of raw talent, Stork is one of the best with Flash. He just clearly doesn't practice as hard as the others. But we already knew that eh.
I hope Stork will go far so he can get many points and break NaDa's record of longest stay in KeSPA top 30.
On May 16 2012 10:58 Neo7 wrote: Stork will destroy everyone in this OSL
If you think about it, Stork should have an advantage over everyone else. It used to be that everyone else just practiced for BW while Stork split his time between BW and WOW/cellphone games/girlfriend/random other stuff. Now everyone's splitting time between BW and SC2 while Stork can maintain his normal schedule of not practicing BW full time.
PRECISELY
And Mini is going to beat Fantasy real bad, just watch.
So you could say that Stork has been preparing for the OSL his entire career ._.
Where's conspiracy bisu
I think that in term of raw talent, Stork is one of the best with Flash. He just clearly doesn't practice as hard as the others. But we already knew that eh.
I hope Stork will go far so he can get many points and break NaDa's record of longest stay in KeSPA top 30.
On May 16 2012 19:31 Zona wrote: So, I've missed a bunch of BW - has there been any good games since the whole "hey we're switching PL to >50% SC2" thing?
yesterday's games were not bad...actually Jangbi vs Bogus was good.
Rush vs Grape just lasted longer than it should have, but it had some great storms.
On May 16 2012 07:17 c3rberUs wrote: Flash maybe favored to win the KT teamkill match but Action has inside knowledge on how he plays, so this will be interesting. Besides Flash, I heard that Action has the best in-house record
In Old Boy I remember one of the KT members saying how practicing against Flash makes you go into a slump because you forget how to win. I don't see Action using practice knowledge to overcome god.
will be hilarious if action wins... almost like when hiya beat jaedong, except I don't think action will run around beating a drum rofl + Show Spoiler +
1 firebat 3 marine 1 medic heading out, ACtion is adding lings though - and they spot the forces moving forwards - 3 marines down but the 1 firebat/1 medic survives to take all the lings out
On May 16 2012 19:56 PoP wrote: Action's gas seems really low considering the amount of bases he has (and the lack of anything gas-heavy other than defilers).
he had more than half a control group of defilers in his 4th, thats a lot of gas.
WTF lol? I know flash had the top bases, but that was way too early gg. Why didn't he just switch to mutas ?.?
edit: It's funny how scared I was for Flash when Action had the perfect counter to his build, but then Flash manages to just bust his way trough everything while expanding... lol. Mutas were the solution imo, he had so many gas bases, he could have busted out like 24 mutas in no time.
Not sure of what to think of this game. Action played well. Flash was disappointing, still ends up winning without doing anything special except losing tons of tanks to zerglings.
On May 16 2012 20:02 KwarK wrote: Holy fucking early GG. Action was ahead there.
he was being perpetually stuck at ~300 gas; don't see how he was ahead.
Better ovie drops could have cleared up some of the tank clumps, but he was never going to make it across the map to get flash's bases. And even base flash mech vs struggling 4.5 gas zerg.
On May 16 2012 20:03 endy wrote: Not sure of what to think of this game. Action played well. Flash was disappointing, still ends up winning without doing anything special except losing tons of tanks to zerglings.
I guess having beastly macro off 7 base is nothing special.
On May 16 2012 20:02 KwarK wrote: Holy fucking early GG. Action was ahead there.
How? He was on 4 gas with his main and nat going to deplete. Flash had like 6 and was constantly 50 supply ahead. Letting Flash take the top left almost for free was the death knell.
On May 16 2012 20:03 endy wrote: Not sure of what to think of this game. Action played well. Flash was disappointing, still ends up winning without doing anything special except losing tons of tanks to zerglings.
I guess having beastly macro off 7 base is nothing special.
Note that it's Flash playing, so yeah it's nothing special.
On May 16 2012 20:02 KwarK wrote: Holy fucking early GG. Action was ahead there.
... What the..
Aren't a B player supposed to know that split map and contain in your own half = you're dead when your main mines out?b
Contain? He had nydus network plus multiple routes through the middle. He'd cleared the minefields and had drop. Flash had no antiair to speak of and Action had like 12 hatch and 4 gas mining. With a swarm lurker defence to hold the line at 6 and counterattacks with drops at 3 and 9 while running lings to 12 and 11 he could have overwhelmed Flash in seconds. He spent the midgame doing exactly that to great effect and then suddenly was like "forget swarm lurker defence, must attack into tank line".
On May 16 2012 20:00 Mortician wrote: Isn't this map favored towards Terran?
Really heavily. I guess zerg had its stats on the older version.
13-2 TvZ I read... I think it's bad, but TvZ overall is a real probelm for zerg atm.
All I got from this game is that map control is a real problem for action. He was so ahead in this game but he didn't have map control. He would definitely win if he could get map control when he was economically ahead.
On May 16 2012 20:08 Zona wrote: There are hardly any zergs who seem to deal well with Flash's way of transitioning to mech, no matter how well they do early on
Unless I got the names mixed up, Flash was about 50 supply ahead for the majority of the game, I don't really see in what way Action was ever ahead. :/
On May 16 2012 20:11 Palmar wrote: Btw, to you more knowledgeable people, the ad that ran like 2 minutes ago, wasn't that the mbc-game caster being featured?
Yes, he's been hired by OGN to cover the new PL season
On May 16 2012 20:00 Mortician wrote: Isn't this map favored towards Terran?
Really heavily. I guess zerg had its stats on the older version.
13-2 TvZ I read... I think it's bad, but TvZ overall is a real probelm for zerg atm.
All I got from this game is that map control is a real problem for action. He was so ahead in this game but he didn't have map control. He would definitely win if he could get map control when he was economically ahead.
That's the whole TvZ problem atm. Flash's strat atm is completely unsolved, he basically doesn't care if zerg gets defiler and 4th (which used to be the tipping point in ZvT before), he always has map control. A good example of what I think he wishes to achieve was his game vs Effort, or some of his games on CB last season.
On May 16 2012 20:02 KwarK wrote: Holy fucking early GG. Action was ahead there.
... What the..
Aren't a B player supposed to know that split map and contain in your own half = you're dead when your main mines out?b
Contain? He had nydus network plus multiple routes through the middle. He'd cleared the minefields and had drop. Flash had no antiair to speak of and Action had like 12 hatch and 4 gas mining. With a swarm lurker defence to hold the line at 6 and counterattacks with drops at 3 and 9 while running lings to 12 and 11 he could have overwhelmed Flash in seconds. He spent the midgame doing exactly that to great effect and then suddenly was like "forget swarm lurker defence, must attack into tank line".
You cant counter attack with drops when there's turrets and tanks coming to clear it up, moreover he was behind in bases vs a lategame mech army while he was being mined out at his main nat and min only?
Not sure if you saw how much flash had at his second main. He could've attacked 3 o clock and sure he could've swarm lurkered for some time but really, what we saw action deal with wasn't flash's death ball it was just his regular production cycle on 4 bases, which would run out later than actions.
If action dedicated a large amount of his army to counter attacking he would've just lost his few mining expos, he'd need godly OL drops to hold it off.
Swarm lurker isn't simple at all when the terran has 12 or more tanks, I believe we allready saw that vs zero on circuit breakers. You can make me believe he wasn't dead yet but ahead? No damn way, he was ahead at some point but not when he gg'ed.
On May 16 2012 20:11 Palmar wrote: Btw, to you more knowledgeable people, the ad that ran like 2 minutes ago, wasn't that the mbc-game caster being featured?
Yes, he's been hired by OGN to cover the new PL season
Mini was responsible for the elimination of a player I like. That hurt so much I blocked the memory of who it was....BUT I still want Mini to win vs Fantasy because Fantasy.....is......I dont like him.
On May 16 2012 20:27 Scarecrow wrote: god damn that was terrible, both reavers landed on top of each other and die instantly
They died instantly because Fantasy was paying attention and controlling his units...
But now mini's in trouble
vulture pack vs goons
and in glorious FPview
Yeah fantasy was prepared and handled that perfectly. Yes you can micro siege tanks !
you can also space your reavers so they dont die to splash, dumping two reavers like that is never going to go well. The tanks at the back had nothing else to shoot at
You know, fuck this. I'm not going to watch any SC2 when BW finally dies...except for Fantasy.
Considering the way he basically forced himself to learn bio TvZ in BW through pure willpower and practice without any inherent ability, I'm sure he'll be one of the (maybe few?) players who will be able to adapt well.
Those mines man...those mins. A little luck and Mini could have made huge damage there. Fantasy did well against the reavers yes, but those mines were just....bad luck for Mini =/
On May 16 2012 20:30 corumjhaelen wrote: Very clean game here, fantasy played well but wasn't tested that much.
That early break was kind of perilous - fantasy brought extra scvs from his main to his unfinished nat to save the bunker as was that almost-minedrag - that could have been a gamechanger
On May 16 2012 20:32 Zona wrote: Considering the way he basically forced himself to learn BW through pure willpower and practice without any inherent ability, I'm sure he'll be one of the (maybe few?) players who will be able to adapt well.
eh, it was more his double ribu died instantly without getting scarabs into the tank clumps. The engagement was a tiny bit mistimed/unlucky that the tanks were able to target the reavers.
since the whole game rested on mini succeeding his double shuttle gambit.
On May 16 2012 20:32 Zona wrote: Considering the way he basically forced himself to learn BW through pure willpower and practice without any inherent ability, I'm sure he'll be one of the (maybe few?) players who will be able to adapt well.
FTFY
If you really see things from that point of view, it makes things even more impressive and admirable in my eyes.
On May 16 2012 20:32 KobraKay wrote: Those mines man...those mins. A little luck and Mini could have made huge damage there. Fantasy did well against the reavers yes, but those mines were just....bad luck for Mini =/
Nice try nonetheless.
I dont know too much BW strategy but I dont think mini played that well. seemed to me like he panicked coz it was Fantasy and went for an earlyish break which was too risky, and Fanta just crushed him in classic Fantasy TvP mode
On May 16 2012 20:32 Zona wrote: Considering the way he basically forced himself to learn BW through pure willpower and practice without any inherent ability, I'm sure he'll be one of the (maybe few?) players who will be able to adapt well.
FTFY
If you really see things from that point of view, it makes things even more impressive and admirable in my eyes.
It's sort of true though. Fantasy always seemed like he was trying to play the game above his own ability. But his ability has really started to catch up with his imagination in the last year or so. He's recklessly scary nowadays.
I still don't get Mini's break. He seemed to have scouted well with his suicided observers. There was no way he had any chance with the number of vultures/marines around. I know he invested a lot for that mid-game break, but he still could've played macro style from there.
On May 16 2012 20:42 baubo wrote: I still don't get Mini's break. He seemed to have scouted well with his suicided observers. There was no way he had any chance with the number of vultures/marines around. I know he invested a lot for that mid-game break, but he still could've played macro style from there.
Dunno...if he tried to play for a long game from that point, it'd be pretty difficult - still no 4th when Fantasy's 3rd's fully operational, and plenty invested into his shuttles/reavers
On May 16 2012 20:40 nok.jp wrote: oh fantasy's APM is MAX368, AVG280... it's slower than i think.
Fantasy, Flash, and Stork are the most famous progamers with fairly low APM. If you watch their FPV, they don't really spam, and only raise their APM when necessary. Bisu and Jaedong are famous for ridiculously high APM and multi-tasking.
On May 16 2012 20:40 nok.jp wrote: oh fantasy's APM is MAX368, AVG280... it's slower than i think.
Fantasy, Flash, and Stork are the most famous progamers with fairly low APM. If you watch their FPV, they don't really spam, and only raise their APM when necessary. Bisu and Jaedong are famous for ridiculously high APM and multi-tasking.
On May 16 2012 20:40 nok.jp wrote: oh fantasy's APM is MAX368, AVG280... it's slower than i think.
Fantasy, Flash, and Stork are the most famous progamers with fairly low APM. If you watch their FPV, they don't really spam, and only raise their APM when necessary. Bisu and Jaedong are famous for ridiculously high APM and multi-tasking.
I knew Stork has low APM, but didn't know Fanta and Flash too!!
mutas trying to find drones to pick off at hyvaa's bases hyvaa also with 2 gas up now
On May 16 2012 20:55 radadaundandan wrote: Shine looks dead to me.
hmm?
On May 16 2012 20:56 Fenrax wrote: lol shine why not just kill him?
I actually agree with shine's decisionmaking
the only way to 'just kill him' was to make lings, but hyvaa could hold against that at that point hyvaa had a lot more mineral income that shine did, shine had lost drones
Now that shine has 3 hatches now he should really roll it...or he might set up a situation where he engages in an air battle and loses because he gets outcontrolled?
Shine with a drone at 3, ling chasing drone sent to 10.5...no expo for you hyvaa!
Hyvaa lands a scourge on Shine's muta...at the latter's nat
lol Diablo III commercial followed by the Alien trailer...OGN must be a cool channel to have. Shame we don't have it around here
(note it's not that strange since besides the regular euro foreign channels we get channels from russia, romania, china and *-) a SEA country that I cant remember, so getting a korean channel wouldn't be that strange I think but no such luck)
On May 16 2012 21:01 Xiphos wrote: If Hyvva didn't cancel the morphing of the natural Lair, he could have saved it. lol
yep. i believe he would have won if he didn't cancel that natural lair
well, have to check the VOD to be 100% sure, but he probably needed the resources to evo/spore up in the first place, or to drone up reasonably after sporing up
I never played zerg nor cared for ZvZ, but I didn't think Shine had the requisite mutas to bust through the spores for quite a while. And hyvaa was making a lot of lings, so a ling transition wasn't going to do it either. Thought Shine played that smartly.
Is it just me, or are the quality of games obviously deteriorating? No one seems to be practicing BW now that theyre into SC2.
Well, I was hoping BW to go out with a bang. LEt's just all hope the come semis onwards, they all give it their all for a one for the ages game of epic quality BW.
On May 16 2012 21:11 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Is it just me, or are the quality of games obviously deteriorating? No one seems to be practicing BW now that theyre into SC2.
Well, I was hoping BW to go out with a bang. LEt's just all hope the come semis onwards, they all give it their all for a one for the ages game of epic quality BW.
Well, even the winner interviews involve the players conceding that their quality of play has declined because of SC2 practice
and with the new PL format being the way it is, it's much more important to be good at SC2 than BW...which is probably what Blizzard wanted.
Neo Ground Zero: Stork the protoss at 7.5 soo the zerg at 4.5
On May 16 2012 21:11 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Is it just me, or are the quality of games obviously deteriorating? No one seems to be practicing BW now that theyre into SC2.
Well, I was hoping BW to go out with a bang. LEt's just all hope the come semis onwards, they all give it their all for a one for the ages game of epic quality BW.
maybe it's just coz of the total lack of BW lately, but I think these games have been pretty good. Now the ODT? THAT was some bad quality games
The background laughter that we hear, is it live or recorded?
It has a strange sitcom-y feeling to it. Is it meant so that we can bring BW and its progamers to mainstream audience, in preparation for SC2? It certainly feels strange.
zealots attacking soo's nat again, 2 sunks down, zealots head into the main - mutas coming back - zealots attacking the spire, and some drones mutas come back - but spire falls!
On May 16 2012 21:28 hifriend wrote: why did stork just tank ling hits with like 7 templars and lose them all
he stormed a LOT of shit - especially since soo's dodging was subpar it's just that soo had EVEN MORE SHIT that kept coming
I know the storms were godly but then he kinda just let every templar die :<
well, a few of them did tank a few hits while morphing into archons they're kind of bad at hugging each other when there's lots of other units around/in the way, though
well, Stork made a risky play, was scouted, then did the best he could
There's nothing to fault with soo's play except for eating all those storms - maybe he was macro'ing or something?
Maybe I've been away from things for awhile, but today's games didn't seem that bad. There were plenty of mediocre games even before the "switch to SC2" era... (or maybe I was expecting worse after seeing all the comments and had low expectations)
Brotip for noob spectators and people coming from SC2:
A held off 0-0 speedlot timing into double stargate non-stop pumping corsairs = no ground army.
Which means soo could easily contain him with his superior economy and lotsnlots of hatcheries pumping units when he held off double stargate play. And that's not how you get out of a zerg contain. I doubt if there is a way of getting out of there. Like Day[9] says, don't watch this game and ask yourself how you can get out of this contain. Watch this game and ask yourself how you don't get contained in the first place.
On May 16 2012 21:34 Zona wrote: well, Stork made a risky play, was scouted, then did the best he could
There's nothing to fault with soo's play except for eating all those storms - maybe he was macro'ing or something?
Maybe I've been away from things for awhile, but today's games didn't seem that bad. There were plenty of mediocre games even before the "switch to SC2" era... (or maybe I was expecting worse after seeing all the comments and had low expectations)
Yeah, so far the Ro16 games have been a lot better than the ODT ones.
On May 16 2012 21:34 Zona wrote: well, Stork made a risky play, was scouted, then did the best he could
There's nothing to fault with soo's play except for eating all those storms - maybe he was macro'ing or something?
Maybe I've been away from things for awhile, but today's games didn't seem that bad. There were plenty of mediocre games even before the "switch to SC2" era... (or maybe I was expecting worse after seeing all the comments and had low expectations)
Yeah, so far the Ro16 games have been a lot better than the ODT ones.
TBH I really didn't expect the games to be better at all, then again people do take the OSL higher than the proleague so I can only hope that the games get better as we progress into the later rounds.
This OSL is failing me. Every player I want to win a certain game ends up losing =/. Only Flash won from the players I wanted (well Jangbi 2, even thou that was the game I wouldn't exactly mind either way).
On May 16 2012 21:34 Zona wrote: well, Stork made a risky play, was scouted, then did the best he could
There's nothing to fault with soo's play except for eating all those storms - maybe he was macro'ing or something?
Maybe I've been away from things for awhile, but today's games didn't seem that bad. There were plenty of mediocre games even before the "switch to SC2" era... (or maybe I was expecting worse after seeing all the comments and had low expectations)
Yeah, so far the Ro16 games have been a lot better than the ODT ones.
TBH I really didn't expect the games to be better at all, then again people do take the OSL higher than the proleague so I can only hope that the games get better as we progress into the later rounds.
Ro8 and up will be epic because they are all Bo5s
Dunno, most pros at least publicly pay lipservice to the "PL > individual league" mindset...probably because their teams pay them to perform primarily for PL?
On May 16 2012 21:38 KobraKay wrote: This OSL is failing me. Every player I want to win a certain game ends up losing =/. Only Flash won from the players I wanted (well Jangbi 2, even thou that was the game I wouldn't exactly mind either way).
at least you know how to do well on liquibet, just pick your least favourite guy for each matchup
On May 16 2012 21:34 Zona wrote: well, Stork made a risky play, was scouted, then did the best he could
There's nothing to fault with soo's play except for eating all those storms - maybe he was macro'ing or something?
Maybe I've been away from things for awhile, but today's games didn't seem that bad. There were plenty of mediocre games even before the "switch to SC2" era... (or maybe I was expecting worse after seeing all the comments and had low expectations)
Yeah, so far the Ro16 games have been a lot better than the ODT ones.
TBH I really didn't expect the games to be better at all, then again people do take the OSL higher than the proleague so I can only hope that the games get better as we progress into the later rounds.
On May 16 2012 21:34 Zona wrote: well, Stork made a risky play, was scouted, then did the best he could
There's nothing to fault with soo's play except for eating all those storms - maybe he was macro'ing or something?
Maybe I've been away from things for awhile, but today's games didn't seem that bad. There were plenty of mediocre games even before the "switch to SC2" era... (or maybe I was expecting worse after seeing all the comments and had low expectations)
Yeah, so far the Ro16 games have been a lot better than the ODT ones.
TBH I really didn't expect the games to be better at all, then again people do take the OSL higher than the proleague so I can only hope that the games get better as we progress into the later rounds.
Ro8 and up will be epic because they are all Bo5s
They will be epic.
I think so, too.
While PL definitely serves as an incentive to get their SC2 skills up to shape, the possibility that this is the last BW OSL is a huge motivating factor, as well.
On May 16 2012 21:34 Zona wrote: well, Stork made a risky play, was scouted, then did the best he could
There's nothing to fault with soo's play except for eating all those storms - maybe he was macro'ing or something?
Maybe I've been away from things for awhile, but today's games didn't seem that bad. There were plenty of mediocre games even before the "switch to SC2" era... (or maybe I was expecting worse after seeing all the comments and had low expectations)
Yeah, so far the Ro16 games have been a lot better than the ODT ones.
TBH I really didn't expect the games to be better at all, then again people do take the OSL higher than the proleague so I can only hope that the games get better as we progress into the later rounds.
Ro8 and up will be epic because they are all Bo5s
They will be epic.
I think so, too.
While PL definitely serves as an incentive to get their SC2 skills up to shape, the possibility that this is the last BW OSL is a huge motivating factor, as well.
And by then, most of the players who have no chance of winning this tournament will be out.
On May 17 2012 08:37 X10A wrote: 3/4 damn it you no name zerg =/ Stork D;
/flex
I have no idea how this keeps happening I guess you need to come to me for OSL predictions soon D:
8/8 in OSL so far
Your Liquibet Statistics Liquibet Rank 22 Number of Points 60 of 91 points voted on Correct Votes 53 of 81 votes made Points Percentage 66% Voting Percentage 65%
Points Missed 0 Votes Missed 0 Total Possible Points 91 Total Possible Votes 81
Current Voting Streak 9 Correct votes in a row Hottest Voting Streak 9 Correct votes in a row Worst Voting Streak 3 Wrong votes in a row
:D
Your streak is way better though, 19 in a row that's nuts.
;; 8/8 in ro16 and a point from each ODT bracket/MU as well ... as can be witnessed by me streaking like a madman
I have no idea how Ive only watched ca 4 games this season so far, silly mornings and a quarter of the players are still a complete unknown for me as a very novice BW follower ^^ and the rest? crude deductions based on random readings and TL articles :F
I could be so much higher if i had taken LB more seriously from the getgo of the season :D
Fanta was either freaking lucky or freaking skilled by not having those mines rape his army in the first big push by Mini. Awesome game. Where the hell was this Soo during playoff? Damn that was awesome hydra micro man.............Gotta admit if stork would've gone reaver maybe he would've won. Awesome game..........BW foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................
Action gg'ed a bit early but he looked to be losing the game slowly but surely.
On the other hand, he was way ahead and then threw it away by being very passive. After the succeessful stop lurkers I thought he will win the game. But then he let Flash switch to mech and expand everywhere and that was it... Not that I'm sad that Flash won
I'm sad however to see Stork lost. Hope he will still make it to ro8
On May 17 2012 11:07 BreakerD wrote: Fanta was either freaking lucky or freaking skilled by not having those mines rape his army in the first big push by Mini. Awesome game. Where the hell was this Soo during playoff? Damn that was awesome hydra micro man.............Gotta admit if stork would've gone reaver maybe he would've won. Awesome game..........BW foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................
he killed the zealot fast enough. Not luck, skill. Mini filed a sexual abuse claim against fantasy after this match.
On another note, it looks like only Fantasy is practicing BW. Everyone else had poor game quality. Maybe shine.
I don't want to be a downer and I only watched the two first games. But especially game one was completely crap, had not really much of a Flash/BW top match. I hate it so much that they are " practicing " two games, I hate it more than the general switch.
Flash played a strong no-frills macro game. I feel sad for Action. He did everything right at the start, won all the first engagements, made all the right decisions... and Action is known for his late game. Yet Flash still ended up with a healthy supply lead and better tech. And this was Flash on a bad game. I guess he just solved TvZ.
Game quality was not so good today. Summing it up: Flash destroying a Zerg in a way that makes the game look broken, fantasy raping Protoss with his usual ease, Stork losing to a random Zerg because that's what he does (that was painful to admit), hyvaa losing a ZvZ. No big surprises here, perhaps due to lack of preparation causing to people to default on their usual play styles for good and bad.
Too bad about Stork losing, but why do people keep calling soO a 'random zerg' in this matchup? Hate on his playstyle all you want, but at least results-wise, he is one of the best ZvPers there is; considering Stork's usual PvZ mediocrity, it really isn't surprising at all that soO would win that match.
What happened to Actions gas? Sure he build alot of defilers, but beside the 3 ultralisks there were only zerglings on the map pretty much? And he had 5 gas running...
After the lack of respect shown to him during the lottery ceremony I'm glad soO showed he has more "power" than others give him credit for. Talk about giving a guy ammunition.
Flash wasn't his ruthless best, but he still had an answer for everything Action threw at him.
For me though, Fantasy looked the most impressive last night. He said he was going to do it, and so far the Enigma has delivered on his promise to show the others in his group what it means to be in the Round of 16.
He could have broken the push at 6 at any time, if he had garrisoned his units into the center and used the map for a 4-5 front flanking-surround.
He could have ended 3 at any time. He never went below 2500 in the lategame. A thousand minerals of hydra/ling would have torn apart flash at any time. His play was un-professionally bad in the mid-late game.
Since it isn't likely this was a fixed match, I think he psychology fell apart with an advantage that was too large, some competitors crumble once they achieve the position of their dreams and that is the only explanation for how badly he played.
(also he didn't place any forces in positions to contest Flashes sauron expands, which in midgame TvZ are as his as his finger print.)
On May 18 2012 05:08 AttackZerg wrote: Action played 'match-fixing-ly' bad.
Good hyphenated adjective. And your points are valid for sure, but there's some facts here I must reiterate. Action shows flashes of brilliance, but he's probably most famous for almost beating Flash that one time on eStro. In other words, his big performance was a loss. He played stellar in the playoffs this season, but outside of that, he's not really "great" at anything other than defiler usage (use?). His hive play in general is fine, not good. In addition, Flash is stupid-good at TvZ. Even when he fucks up or gets countered (stop lurkers, sniped dropship), he wins anyway. Watching Flash-TvZs aren't as entertaining as they once were. They're just depressing, especially as a zerg
TL;DR FvZ, and Action has never been great. He didn't play poorly, he played like he usually does.
IMHO, Action has awesome management/hive play ZvT. I've seen a couple games, that were closer to Jaedong games then to shine games.
This game started out that way, and than he beat himself.
Also, I neglected to say in my first post, I think Flash played rather bad as well (compared only to flash) and he won only because of the ptsd that he has given action in practice.
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