• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:30
CEST 05:30
KST 12:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced62
StarCraft 2
General
Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025) The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" Serral wins EWC 2025
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Global Tourney for College Students in September Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion StarCon Philadelphia Where is technical support? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced
Tourneys
[CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 569 users

[SPL] STX Soul vs SK Telecom T1 - Page 20

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 32 Next All
PurePwnageofTerran
Profile Joined December 2011
268 Posts
February 26 2012 06:26 GMT
#381
On February 26 2012 15:25 HighTemper wrote:
What a great day for ZvT fans!!! :D


Fantasy will quickly change that
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 26 2012 06:26 GMT
#382
Will it Calm, or will it Clam is the question!
WriterXiao8~~
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
February 26 2012 06:26 GMT
#383
On February 26 2012 15:25 Toadily wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 15:21 hellbound wrote:
On February 26 2012 15:19 Toadily wrote:
On February 26 2012 15:15 hellbound wrote:
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote:
I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.


he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.


you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows


Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.


True, but what does units does zerg have in their arsenal against a proper mech transition when the terran is so far ahead that he would need to throw the game away to lose the game. Bogus always had a decent SV count even after losing them to mutas/scourges after plague to EMP queens.


EMP'ing queens used like Roro did today is not so easy, gone are the days when they would fly in a single cloud. Also drop. Also spire units.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
February 26 2012 06:26 GMT
#384
On February 26 2012 15:14 Katsuge wrote:
can someone explain to me bogus' reluctance to get vultures and mines, and chose to get more MnM instead.


fail.


The problem with mech is it badly lacks mobility and it has trouble covering too many different points of attack at once. On Sniper Ridge, if you split the map then your opponent can attack from literally anywhere. For example, with the bases Bogus had he was forced to defend 3 chokes and it was easy for Sacscri to move his army from one point of attack to another through the relatively open center. This doesn't include the possibility of drops and of course two of the chokes in question are very large. The small choke could have been covered along with the choke to his main/nat with better tank placement, but that's partly a management issue as Bogus was forced to spend his time controlling his army more.

In contrast to mech, SK Terran is highly mobile, but obviously it lacks defense (especially against ling/ultra/filer). The SK Terran offense + mass tank defense that Flash popularized in his match against Calm a few years back is more effective for this type of situation since it provides a great deal of mobility with an army that can switch between attack and defense readily and is highly mobile.

If Bogus had faults, I'd say:
1.) Not reaching 3-3 bio upgrades was a glaring and costly error that arguably would have won him the game
2.) Better tank placement would have helped repel those attacks more effectively.

Still, credit has to go to Sacscri for his persistent defense with several clutch moves (e.g. the scourge helping to limit Bogus's dropship play), effective use of ling/ultra's mobility and some clutch plagues. Once it got to the stage where he was able to start roaming the map with ling/ultra it was only a matter of time before he could catch up with the supply gap and he stayed focused to the end. That was a very well played game no matter what anyone says.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
WTFTerran
Profile Joined November 2011
Russian Federation286 Posts
February 26 2012 06:27 GMT
#385
COME ON CENA!
Bogus, MKP, Bomber FTW!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
February 26 2012 06:27 GMT
#386
On February 26 2012 15:25 HighTemper wrote:
What a great day for ZvT fans!!! :D
true, but let's hope Clamtasy don't fail us now
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 26 2012 06:27 GMT
#387
On February 26 2012 15:25 HighTemper wrote:
What a great day for ZvT fans people who like Starcraft!!! :D

I fixed it for you.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
February 26 2012 06:27 GMT
#388
On February 26 2012 15:25 Toadily wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 15:21 hellbound wrote:
On February 26 2012 15:19 Toadily wrote:
On February 26 2012 15:15 hellbound wrote:
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote:
I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.


he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.


you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows


Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.


True, but what does units does zerg have in their arsenal against a proper mech transition when the terran is so far ahead that he would need to throw the game away to lose the game. Bogus always had a decent SV count even after losing them to mutas/scourges after plague to EMP queens.


What do you mean by proper mech transition when terran isn't doing well when some of his expo is getting knock down by ultras and lings with dark swarm....
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
February 26 2012 06:27 GMT
#389
On February 26 2012 15:22 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 15:21 iLoveKT wrote:
I dont understand why he didnt full-out mech switch considering the map is so good for mech tvz, the Z was going ultra-ling plague, and he had 5 gases for a considerable amount of time. I mean, all his stuff were getting plagued 24/7.


If he did, he would forfeit Map Control and the Zerg was on 6th base. Plus Queens was in play.

he didnt need map control at the latter points though. he only needed to protect the lower right quadrant since most of his factories were already there anyway (this is if he switched full mech). It was easy to defend his quarter of the map, and about queens he had 1 billion vessels already, couldve just researched EMP. He couldve just turtled for a few minutes and slowly crawl towards the six expo (freshest expo).
Woo Jung Ho
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
February 26 2012 06:28 GMT
#390
On February 26 2012 15:26 kdgns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 15:25 poisui wrote:
If Clam can snipe Fantasy, and if Last can pair up with Bisu, then STX has a chance to win.

Come on, Clam, win this.


Clam is the one that fails hard, when he wins, hes Calm

But Clam can beat Fantasy because whenever they play, they both go into retarded/weird mode.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 26 2012 06:29 GMT
#391
ow nais build, inbase third cc at mineral only first
WriterXiao8~~
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
February 26 2012 06:29 GMT
#392
1.5 base Battlecruisers please
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
February 26 2012 06:29 GMT
#393
lol fantaji whatchu doing brah, gas is good for you.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
February 26 2012 06:29 GMT
#394
What the hell is Fantasy doing. Like really. 1 rax expo to min only into mech ?_?
poisui
Profile Joined July 2011
1088 Posts
February 26 2012 06:29 GMT
#395
On February 26 2012 15:26 kdgns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 15:25 poisui wrote:
If Clam can snipe Fantasy, and if Last can pair up with Bisu, then STX has a chance to win.

Come on, Clam, win this.


Clam is the one that fails hard, when he wins, hes Calm

Will Fantasy be calm enough to beat Clam?

Or can Clam make beating Fantasy more than just a fantasy?
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
February 26 2012 06:30 GMT
#396
Pantaji up to his usual crap. Calm dong go mollusk on me now
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
February 26 2012 06:31 GMT
#397
Fantasy lets lings in LOL
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 26 2012 06:31 GMT
#398
and so the Fantasy vs Clam game starts, with fantasy having #1 lift timing.
WriterXiao8~~
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
February 26 2012 06:31 GMT
#399
A bit of a whoops moment from Fantasy
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
February 26 2012 06:31 GMT
#400
Looks like Fantasy has been learning border patrol techniques from Light.
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 32 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
DaveTesta Events
00:00
Kirktown Co-op 1v1 Bash
davetesta48
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 194
RuFF_SC2 137
Livibee 80
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 249
HiyA 141
ggaemo 123
NaDa 77
Bale 16
Icarus 6
Stormgate
WinterStarcraft755
PiGStarcraft469
Dota 2
monkeys_forever942
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K731
Coldzera 665
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox499
Mew2King39
Other Games
summit1g10114
shahzam943
JimRising 471
ViBE198
C9.Mang0175
Maynarde111
NeuroSwarm25
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1513
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 34
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt308
Other Games
• Scarra964
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
6h 30m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
7h 30m
Replay Cast
20h 30m
LiuLi Cup
1d 7h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 11h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
RSL Revival
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
RotterdaM Event
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.