I'm very impressed by how STX has completely revamped their line-up and still be relatively competive. If you compare their line-up from 2 years ago to now, you would think Calm was traded to a completely different team. No other team has replaced their veterans so successfully.
On February 26 2012 14:36 Dodgin wrote: Well at least they got Bogus to come out against a rookie, victory looking more likely now.
Then again it is rarely that simple.
That's on less SKT player to beat to win... STX causing SKT to fail to qualify for playoffs would be an epic conclusion to the banner saga.
Trust me, it's still far better than having Bogus take out Bisu or Best. Thank god Coach Park has finally realized that it's probably not a good idea to keep sending them out on Sniper Ridge :|
Sacsri has a great defence. His army's split up nicely and he is very attentive with his defilers. But, he needs to do something about that science vessel cloud, or he's going to get slowly whittled down in an attrition battle, because Bogus isn't giving him any room to expand his economy.
lurker ling cow force moving in to engange bogus's static army outside bogus nat massive plague on the vessels zerg army starting to break through, killing tanks and shit bogus has no units left at his nat this could be it lolol sniped by sacscri
On February 26 2012 14:56 KamMoye wrote: everyone's overrating how well sacsri's playing. he's done well not to get roflstomped but he's never had a chance and his macro has been terrible
On February 26 2012 14:56 KamMoye wrote: everyone's overrating how well sacsri's playing. he's done well not to get roflstomped but he's never had a chance and his macro has been terrible
Yeah, i just looked and he was at 2500 minerals...
On February 26 2012 14:56 KamMoye wrote: everyone's overrating how well sacsri's playing. he's done well not to get roflstomped but he's never had a chance and his macro has been terrible
On February 26 2012 14:56 KamMoye wrote: everyone's overrating how well sacsri's playing. he's done well not to get roflstomped but he's never had a chance and his macro has been terrible
Sacsri finally spends his bank because he's having so much trouble mining, only a 10-20 supply difference now. Even the SV count is getting thinned out.
dropship snipe - only one rine gets dropped at sac's top left base mass keens ready to mass broodlings bogus manages to snipe the 12 base 2 dropships going dropping sac's main sacscri countering at bogus' 5th and fores a lift ultras stuck below ramp but swarm and plague going off
GG. BoguS was in trouble when he unsieged all his tanks from 5 o'clock and failed to do anything with them. That is the cute trick, the tanks are good for defending and can then be used for a doom push.
I think sniper's is a hard map TvZ in late game. It's hard for Terran to split the map evenly.
The problem with mech on this map, imo, is that you are forced to stretch yourself too thin (like the other epic tvz tonight). Too bad mm just get eaten alive in late game by defilers.
On February 26 2012 15:14 Katsuge wrote: can someone explain to me bogus' reluctance to get vultures and mines, and chooses to get more MnM instead.
fail.
Hey if you can find a club, call me so I can join. How hard is it to build Tanks anyway?
build too much tanks and you have less marine and medic forces . You have to find a balance between these two and unless you are flash you have to make turrets and tanks together which bogus didn't do at this bottom right expansion.....
Great stuff. Sacsri really played lean in the midgame, down 50 supply but bogus wasn't able to break him thanks to his great unit control. Bogus really needed to bring his tanks forward earlier, against a Z with great defiler control SV alone isn't enough.
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
He half-assed a mech transition. a lot of tanks, but 0 vultures/mines and 0 upgrades. Not getting the upgrades cost him a lot more than had he gotten them. The bio he wasted all his income on did nothing to 5-3 ultras. 35 minute game with 0-0 mech upgrades, even after building 30 tanks.
On February 26 2012 15:14 Katsuge wrote: can someone explain to me bogus' reluctance to get vultures and mines, and chooses to get more MnM instead.
fail.
Hey if you can find a club, call me so I can join. How hard is it to build Tanks anyway?
The zerg had queens. It would have been a waste to mass up tanks at that point. Not to mention, his economy probably would not have been able to support both tanks and vessels; he chose only to mass up vessels.
On February 26 2012 15:16 Xiphos wrote: Imagine WeMade still active. Their Zerg line is powerful With Mind and Baby acting as the Terran line Wooki being a promising Protoss
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
He half-assed a mech transition. a lot of tanks, but 0 vultures/mines and 0 upgrades. Not getting the upgrades cost him a lot more than had he gotten them. The bio he wasted all his income on did nothing to 5-3 ultras. 35 minute game with 0-0 mech upgrades, even after building 30 tanks.
He can't go for a full mech transition when he needs to do map control with mnm..
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
He half-assed a mech transition. a lot of tanks, but 0 vultures/mines and 0 upgrades. Not getting the upgrades cost him a lot more than had he gotten them. The bio he wasted all his income on did nothing to 5-3 ultras. 35 minute game with 0-0 mech upgrades, even after building 30 tanks.
He can't go for a full mech transition when he needs to do map control with mnm..
And how well did the bio do at map control vs 5-3 ultras?
On February 26 2012 15:14 Katsuge wrote: can someone explain to me bogus' reluctance to get vultures and mines, and chooses to get more MnM instead.
fail.
Hey if you can find a club, call me so I can join. How hard is it to build Tanks anyway?
build too much tanks and you have less marine and medic forces . You have to find a balance between these two and unless you are flash you have to make turrets and tanks together which bogus didn't do at this bottom right expansion.....
FWIV, when ultralingfiler has come into play MnM shouldn't even be the core of your army composition. Mines+ Tanks is the way, and for a while I thought with such a huge SV cloud Bogus wouldn't even have to worry about Queens.
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows
Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.
I dont understand why he didnt full-out mech switch considering the map is so good for mech tvz, the Z was going ultra-ling plague, and he had 5 gases for a considerable amount of time. I mean, all his stuff were getting plagued 24/7.
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
He half-assed a mech transition. a lot of tanks, but 0 vultures/mines and 0 upgrades. Not getting the upgrades cost him a lot more than had he gotten them. The bio he wasted all his income on did nothing to 5-3 ultras. 35 minute game with 0-0 mech upgrades, even after building 30 tanks.
He can't go for a full mech transition when he needs to do map control with mnm..
Vultures. Mines.
Also he had more than enough to transition considering the great shape he was in. Not taking anything away from Sacsri, he played amazing. Those plagues were simply amazing, and watching hero mutas snipe 1 hp SVs was just so sweet. But fact is that Bogus threw that game away not going mech.
On February 26 2012 15:21 iLoveKT wrote: I dont understand why he didnt full-out mech switch considering the map is so good for mech tvz, the Z was going ultra-ling plague, and he had 5 gases for a considerable amount of time. I mean, all his stuff were getting plagued 24/7.
If he did, he would forfeit Map Control and the Zerg was on 6th base. Plus Queens was in play.
[07:20] <@Kip[KMK]> he so nervous [07:20] <@Kimoleon> Q - ahh this late game, players watching it is tired too, Sacsri seonsu, your season's 1st game and win congratulations [07:20] <@nalho_> A - thank you~~~ [07:20] <@Kimoleon> Q - are you tired? [07:20] <@nalho_> A - Yes I am fine [07:20] <@Kimoleon> Q - when is your last pl game? [07:20] <@nalho_> A - i dont really remember the last time i played, but i think it's been a year [07:21] <@Kimoleon> Q - you haven't played in so long, your play is still kicking [07:21] <@nalho_> A - i usually like zvt so i felt that it just went like i planned it [07:21] <@nalho_> just like [07:21] <@nalho_> in practice [07:21] <@nalho_> & [07:21] <@nalho_> * [07:21] <@Kimoleon> Q - ohh regularly like ZvT, you had one in past and won over hiya, did you get msg from teammates fightingu? [07:21] <@nalho_> A - Before I was warming up I saw them waving [07:21] <@nalho_> A - But [07:21] <@Kimoleon> (roro/shine hehe) [07:21] <@nalho_> A - But I was nervous so i didnt wave them [07:21] <@Kimoleon> Q - seens it's been around a year, how did you feel going in [07:22] <@nalho_> A - before i went in my hands were shaking and my heart was beating so i was very nervous but once the game started i was better [07:22] * Obelisco (webchat@190.232.69.55) has joined #nanashin [07:22] <@Kimoleon> Q - now as a member of skt you have contributed :> hope you play more games and win, last words pls [07:22] <@Kip[KMK]> woohoho [07:22] <@Kip[KMK]> im a pan [07:22] <@nalho_> A - i came out for the first time at round 3. when i first came into team i felt my play was lacking so i didnt get played but now that i proved myself i hope to get played more
On February 26 2012 15:21 iLoveKT wrote: I dont understand why he didnt full-out mech switch considering the map is so good for mech tvz, the Z was going ultra-ling plague, and he had 5 gases for a considerable amount of time. I mean, all his stuff were getting plagued 24/7.
If he did, he would forfeit Map Control and the Zerg was on 6th base. Plus Queens was in play.
pretty sure he had more than enough time to switch it before that happens
In hindsight it's easy to see that vults and mines would have been a good idea. Just yesterday Soulkey and Jaedong were getting pwned by mines. They've been working to great effect against Zerg players this season.
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows
Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.
True, but what does units does zerg have in their arsenal against a proper mech transition when the terran is so far ahead that he would need to throw the game away to lose the game. Bogus always had a decent SV count even after losing them to mutas/scourges after plague to EMP queens.
[07:20] <@Kip[KMK]> he so nervous [07:20] <@Kimoleon> Q - ahh this late game, players watching it is tired too, Sacsri seonsu, your season's 1st game and win congratulations [07:20] <@nalho_> A - thank you~~~ [07:20] <@Kimoleon> Q - are you tired? [07:20] <@nalho_> A - Yes I am fine [07:20] <@Kimoleon> Q - when is your last pl game? [07:20] <@nalho_> A - i dont really remember the last time i played, but i think it's been a year [07:21] <@Kimoleon> Q - you haven't played in so long, your play is still kicking [07:21] <@nalho_> A - i usually like zvt so i felt that it just went like i planned it [07:21] <@nalho_> just like [07:21] <@nalho_> in practice [07:21] <@nalho_> & [07:21] <@nalho_> * [07:21] <@Kimoleon> Q - ohh regularly like ZvT, you had one in past and won over hiya, did you get msg from teammates fightingu? [07:21] <@nalho_> A - Before I was warming up I saw them waving [07:21] <@nalho_> A - But [07:21] <@Kimoleon> (roro/shine hehe) [07:21] <@nalho_> A - But I was nervous so i didnt wave them [07:21] <@Kimoleon> Q - seens it's been around a year, how did you feel going in [07:22] <@nalho_> A - before i went in my hands were shaking and my heart was beating so i was very nervous but once the game started i was better [07:22] * Obelisco (webchat@190.232.69.55) has joined #nanashin [07:22] <@Kimoleon> Q - now as a member of skt you have contributed :> hope you play more games and win, last words pls [07:22] <@Kip[KMK]> woohoho [07:22] <@Kip[KMK]> im a pan [07:22] <@nalho_> A - i came out for the first time at round 3. when i first came into team i felt my play was lacking so i didnt get played but now that i proved myself i hope to get played more
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows
Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.
True, but what does units does zerg have in their arsenal against a proper mech transition when the terran is so far ahead that he would need to throw the game away to lose the game. Bogus always had a decent SV count even after losing them to mutas/scourges after plague to EMP queens.
EMP'ing queens used like Roro did today is not so easy, gone are the days when they would fly in a single cloud. Also drop. Also spire units.
On February 26 2012 15:14 Katsuge wrote: can someone explain to me bogus' reluctance to get vultures and mines, and chose to get more MnM instead.
fail.
The problem with mech is it badly lacks mobility and it has trouble covering too many different points of attack at once. On Sniper Ridge, if you split the map then your opponent can attack from literally anywhere. For example, with the bases Bogus had he was forced to defend 3 chokes and it was easy for Sacscri to move his army from one point of attack to another through the relatively open center. This doesn't include the possibility of drops and of course two of the chokes in question are very large. The small choke could have been covered along with the choke to his main/nat with better tank placement, but that's partly a management issue as Bogus was forced to spend his time controlling his army more.
In contrast to mech, SK Terran is highly mobile, but obviously it lacks defense (especially against ling/ultra/filer). The SK Terran offense + mass tank defense that Flash popularized in his match against Calm a few years back is more effective for this type of situation since it provides a great deal of mobility with an army that can switch between attack and defense readily and is highly mobile.
If Bogus had faults, I'd say: 1.) Not reaching 3-3 bio upgrades was a glaring and costly error that arguably would have won him the game 2.) Better tank placement would have helped repel those attacks more effectively.
Still, credit has to go to Sacscri for his persistent defense with several clutch moves (e.g. the scourge helping to limit Bogus's dropship play), effective use of ling/ultra's mobility and some clutch plagues. Once it got to the stage where he was able to start roaming the map with ling/ultra it was only a matter of time before he could catch up with the supply gap and he stayed focused to the end. That was a very well played game no matter what anyone says.
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows
Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.
True, but what does units does zerg have in their arsenal against a proper mech transition when the terran is so far ahead that he would need to throw the game away to lose the game. Bogus always had a decent SV count even after losing them to mutas/scourges after plague to EMP queens.
What do you mean by proper mech transition when terran isn't doing well when some of his expo is getting knock down by ultras and lings with dark swarm....
On February 26 2012 15:21 iLoveKT wrote: I dont understand why he didnt full-out mech switch considering the map is so good for mech tvz, the Z was going ultra-ling plague, and he had 5 gases for a considerable amount of time. I mean, all his stuff were getting plagued 24/7.
If he did, he would forfeit Map Control and the Zerg was on 6th base. Plus Queens was in play.
he didnt need map control at the latter points though. he only needed to protect the lower right quadrant since most of his factories were already there anyway (this is if he switched full mech). It was easy to defend his quarter of the map, and about queens he had 1 billion vessels already, couldve just researched EMP. He couldve just turtled for a few minutes and slowly crawl towards the six expo (freshest expo).
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows
Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.
True, but what does units does zerg have in their arsenal against a proper mech transition when the terran is so far ahead that he would need to throw the game away to lose the game. Bogus always had a decent SV count even after losing them to mutas/scourges after plague to EMP queens.
What do you mean by proper mech transition when terran isn't doing well when some of his expo is getting knock down by ultras and lings with dark swarm....
He got into trouble because he stayed on bio too long. There was an extended period of time when Zerg was stuck defending that Terran could've used to transition into mech.
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows
Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.
True, but what does units does zerg have in their arsenal against a proper mech transition when the terran is so far ahead that he would need to throw the game away to lose the game. Bogus always had a decent SV count even after losing them to mutas/scourges after plague to EMP queens.
What do you mean by proper mech transition when terran isn't doing well when some of his expo is getting knock down by ultras and lings with dark swarm....
Are you guys kidding me with this? He had a good 5-10 minutes to mass those tanks and vultures before Sacsri even any harassment, he was basically knocking on Sacsri's doors trying to knock it down the entire time with just MnMs vs swarmed lurkers. The same scenario happened with Flash vs Effort, except Flash massed tanks, contained Effort, and just slowly push in. There is NOTHING Sacsri could've done with the resources he had at the time. Queens would've taken too long and he would've been broken before they did much or it would've been too low in number like in Effort's case.
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows
Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.
True, but what does units does zerg have in their arsenal against a proper mech transition when the terran is so far ahead that he would need to throw the game away to lose the game. Bogus always had a decent SV count even after losing them to mutas/scourges after plague to EMP queens.
What do you mean by proper mech transition when terran isn't doing well when some of his expo is getting knock down by ultras and lings with dark swarm....
Are you guys kidding me with this? He had a good 5-10 minutes to mass those tanks and vultures before Sacsri even any harassment, he was basically knocking on Sacsri's doors trying to knock it down the entire time with just MnMs vs swarmed lurkers. The same scenario happened with Flash vs Effort, except Flash massed tanks, contained Effort, and just slowly push in. There is NOTHING Sacsri could've done with the resources he had at the time. Queens would've taken too long and he would've been broken before they did much or it would've been too low in number like in Effort's case.
Effort was behind from the start and he lost too much units to even do anything to flash ...
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows
Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.
True, but what does units does zerg have in their arsenal against a proper mech transition when the terran is so far ahead that he would need to throw the game away to lose the game. Bogus always had a decent SV count even after losing them to mutas/scourges after plague to EMP queens.
What do you mean by proper mech transition when terran isn't doing well when some of his expo is getting knock down by ultras and lings with dark swarm....
He got into trouble because he stayed on bio too long. There was an extended period of time when Zerg was stuck defending that Terran could've used to transition into mech.
Yup. 160 vs 90 supply, both players on 4 bases, sacsri turtling for dear life with swarms. Bogus threw that game hard.
On February 26 2012 15:29 Nikon wrote: What the hell is Fantasy doing. Like really. 1 rax expo to min only into mech ?_?
Think of it from Z PoV though if Clam never got scout in.
He literally would have no idea what is going on and might overprepare for a non-existent threat ie 2port.
Yeah, but take the map into consideration. Lurker openings breaking the backdoor are pretty popular on it, so in case of 2port, he'd already have hydras? I mean, playing such tricks on this map might not be the best decision.
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows
Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.
True, but what does units does zerg have in their arsenal against a proper mech transition when the terran is so far ahead that he would need to throw the game away to lose the game. Bogus always had a decent SV count even after losing them to mutas/scourges after plague to EMP queens.
What do you mean by proper mech transition when terran isn't doing well when some of his expo is getting knock down by ultras and lings with dark swarm....
Are you guys kidding me with this? He had a good 5-10 minutes to mass those tanks and vultures before Sacsri even any harassment, he was basically knocking on Sacsri's doors trying to knock it down the entire time with just MnMs vs swarmed lurkers. The same scenario happened with Flash vs Effort, except Flash massed tanks, contained Effort, and just slowly push in. There is NOTHING Sacsri could've done with the resources he had at the time. Queens would've taken too long and he would've been broken before they did much or it would've been too low in number like in Effort's case.
Effort was behind from the start and he lost too much units to even do anything to flash ...
Bogus was ahead after the early game by a solid 50+ supply the entire time, peaking to 70 at times, for the entire mid game where he could've switched.. how was Sacsri not behind from the start again?
edit:
In fact, he lost all his mutas so he had 0 map control for at least 10 minutes
On February 26 2012 15:13 mnesthes wrote: I don't understand the decision of using the Flash build then not building any Tanks.
he built more than 2 ctrl groups of tanks. Dem keens.
you get WAY more than 2 ctrl groups of tank after a transition considering the length of the game, also 0 vulture. mines would've completely dominated those cows
Don't be so black and white, if there were so many mines, he would've just not went cows.
True, but what does units does zerg have in their arsenal against a proper mech transition when the terran is so far ahead that he would need to throw the game away to lose the game. Bogus always had a decent SV count even after losing them to mutas/scourges after plague to EMP queens.
What do you mean by proper mech transition when terran isn't doing well when some of his expo is getting knock down by ultras and lings with dark swarm....
Are you guys kidding me with this? He had a good 5-10 minutes to mass those tanks and vultures before Sacsri even any harassment, he was basically knocking on Sacsri's doors trying to knock it down the entire time with just MnMs vs swarmed lurkers. The same scenario happened with Flash vs Effort, except Flash massed tanks, contained Effort, and just slowly push in. There is NOTHING Sacsri could've done with the resources he had at the time. Queens would've taken too long and he would've been broken before they did much or it would've been too low in number like in Effort's case.
Effort was behind from the start and he lost too much units to even do anything to flash ...
Bogus was ahead after the early game by a solid 50+ supply the entire time, peaking to 70 at times, for the entire mid game where he could've switched.. how was Sacsri not behind from the start again?
edit:
In fact, he lost all his mutas so he had 0 map control for at least 10 minutes
Sacsri delayed and killed lots of mnm at the top right of his base he didn't need map control when he had lots of lurkers and units and defilers was on the way .
STX drops leave much to be desired. I want to see more dropping in the mineral line or at least spread out drops. Really anything but dropping everything in one spot and losing whatever was in the overlords/dropships because they didn't reach that point in time.
On February 26 2012 15:42 Hinanawi wrote: When did Fantasy learn to TvZ? I miss making fun of him for his awful vZ
Did you miss last OSL semi finals ?
FantaSy is a player that thrives on preparation. With fewer games (no ace) and no individual leagues, he is doing far better relatively speaking to someone like Sea/Stork.
On February 26 2012 15:42 Hinanawi wrote: When did Fantasy learn to TvZ? I miss making fun of him for his awful vZ
Did you miss last OSL semi finals ?
FantaSy is a player that thrives on preparation. With fewer games (no ace) and no individual leagues, he is doing far better relatively speaking to someone like Sea/Stork.
Or Bisu, who has amazing mechanics, but is lacking in preparation (e.g., playing overly safe).
This SV-less build is pretty amazing, saves you enough to squeak out a few more tanks in the mid game, at first I was skeptical when Flash did it, but now I understand.. Tanks > ALL xD
I have a random nooby question... Every time there's a team vs team match, there's a thread dedicated to it. And there's alwaysss a really cool poster and lineup/results/predictions sections and such. Who makes all this??? It really makes each event feel special!
On February 26 2012 15:52 Ewic wrote: SKT fighting!! Sick Fantasy play there.
I have a random nooby question... Every time there's a team vs team match, there's a thread dedicated to it. And there's alwaysss a really cool poster and lineup/results/predictions sections and such. Who makes all this??? It really makes each event feel special!
On February 26 2012 15:52 Ewic wrote: SKT fighting!! Sick Fantasy play there.
I have a random nooby question... Every time there's a team vs team match, there's a thread dedicated to it. And there's alwaysss a really cool poster and lineup/results/predictions sections and such. Who makes all this??? It really makes each event feel special!
On February 26 2012 15:52 Ewic wrote: SKT fighting!! Sick Fantasy play there.
I have a random nooby question... Every time there's a team vs team match, there's a thread dedicated to it. And there's alwaysss a really cool poster and lineup/results/predictions sections and such. Who makes all this??? It really makes each event feel special!
Someone does. Make a poster and start one yourself some time.
On February 26 2012 15:47 Jindo wrote: Nice banner Hyde. Could it be?
It is not as epic as:
FantaSy didn't die. Pick some on random SKT noobie to x out
That poster is from the December 25th set. Bisu, Best and Fantasy all lost that day.
Oh! Nice. Always nice to see FBB fail
It was an epic 3-0 against SKT. Bisu, Best, and Fantasy lost one after another that the fans crossed them out one after another off of the poster. That night was so epic. =)
On February 26 2012 15:47 Jindo wrote: Nice banner Hyde. Could it be?
It is not as epic as:
FantaSy didn't die. Pick some on random SKT noobie to x out
That poster is from the December 25th set. Bisu, Best and Fantasy all lost that day.
Oh! Nice. Always nice to see FBB fail
It was an epic 3-0 against SKT. Bisu, Best, and Fantasy lost one after another that the fans crossed them out one after another off of the poster. That night was so epic. =)
On February 26 2012 15:47 Jindo wrote: Nice banner Hyde. Could it be?
It is not as epic as:
FantaSy didn't die. Pick some on random SKT noobie to x out
That poster is from the December 25th set. Bisu, Best and Fantasy all lost that day.
Oh! Nice. Always nice to see FBB fail
It was an epic 3-0 against SKT. Bisu, Best, and Fantasy lost one after another that the fans crossed them out one after another off of the poster. That night was so epic. =)
[07:54] <@Kimoleon> Q - Fantasy was on cam a sec, lets talk with him congrats on win Fanta - thanks [07:54] * godamnit (webchat@pool-72-89-72-68.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #nanashin [07:54] <@Kimoleon> Q - when you allowed first scout, how did you feel [07:55] <@Kimoleon> Fantasy - the build I prepared is lots of mind games, without CC you have to make him think, seems I got good fortune [07:55] <@Kimoleon> Q - you said you had so much to show during games, you showed it today [07:55] <@Kimoleon> Fantasy - ohh today I didn't think I would play TvZ, a little.. eh.. this was a build I thought, it wasn't fully clean [07:56] <@Kimoleon> Q - when Fantasy show super skills, this season do you like your pace [07:56] <@Kimoleon> Fantasy - yeah me to, I think I'm doing better than I think, usually I'm not solid all season [07:56] <@Kimoleon> Q - how will today go [07:56] <@Kimoleon> Fantasy - yes today I think we'l end 3-0.
One of our translators went zzzz so might not be the entire thing
On February 26 2012 15:56 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Hyde realizing he's the inverse of God, and is using reverse psychology through his banners to control outcomes of brood war matches.
The moment he realizes his anti-prediction power, he actually becomes God.
On February 26 2012 16:05 Lightwip wrote: STX does not cheese SKT in every game. STX gets 3-0'd. I am not surprised.
how typical of you to say that...
STX wins through cheese and timing pushes. They tried expanding their horizons. In the end, they found out that cheese and timing pushes are their calling.
On February 26 2012 16:05 Lightwip wrote: STX does not cheese SKT in every game. STX gets 3-0'd. I am not surprised.
how typical of you to say that...
STX wins through cheese and timing pushes. They tried expanding their horizons. In the end, they found out that cheese and timing pushes are their calling.
On February 26 2012 16:05 Lightwip wrote: STX does not cheese SKT in every game. STX gets 3-0'd. I am not surprised.
how typical of you to say that...
STX wins through cheese and timing pushes. They tried expanding their horizons. In the end, they found out that cheese and timing pushes are their calling.
I must be psychic because that is the same response I predicted from you.
On February 26 2012 16:05 Lightwip wrote: STX does not cheese SKT in every game. STX gets 3-0'd. I am not surprised.
how typical of you to say that...
STX wins through cheese and timing pushes. They tried expanding their horizons. In the end, they found out that cheese and timing pushes are their calling.
I must be psychic because that is the same response I predicted from you.
word for word.:p
If it's so predictable, it's probably because we both knew it to be true.
On February 26 2012 16:05 Lightwip wrote: STX does not cheese SKT in every game. STX gets 3-0'd. I am not surprised.
how typical of you to say that...
STX wins through cheese and timing pushes. They tried expanding their horizons. In the end, they found out that cheese and timing pushes are their calling.
I must be psychic because that is the same response I predicted from you.
word for word.:p
If it's so predictable, it's probably because we both knew it to be true.
yeah i guess, STX's fate was sealed the moment I saw the banner of the LR thread.
On February 26 2012 16:05 Lightwip wrote: STX does not cheese SKT in every game. STX gets 3-0'd. I am not surprised.
how typical of you to say that...
STX wins through cheese and timing pushes. They tried expanding their horizons. In the end, they found out that cheese and timing pushes are their calling.
I must be psychic because that is the same response I predicted from you.
word for word.:p
If it's so predictable, it's probably because we both knew it to be true.
On February 26 2012 16:05 Lightwip wrote: STX does not cheese SKT in every game. STX gets 3-0'd. I am not surprised.
how typical of you to say that...
STX wins through cheese and timing pushes. They tried expanding their horizons. In the end, they found out that cheese and timing pushes are their calling.
I must be psychic because that is the same response I predicted from you.
word for word.:p
If it's so predictable, it's probably because we both knew it to be true.
Reading page 25 of this thread. I instantly went to SC2 LR threads and read some of it's OP and they were actually boring OPs! Unlike the ones here in BW where we have from Epic MSPaint Skillzz to Marvelous PS'd posters with intelligent/witty designs.
Haha Hyde you farken genius! Realising the power of the Fan op curse you finally used it to our advantage :o)
Wished I could've watched this one live, but thanks to Airwaffle I didn't have to wait long.
Coach Park now appears to have some options in our Zerg line with SoO and Sacsri showing some form. We'll need it if we're going to have a chance moving forward.
Glad to see Fanta continuing his form. Loved his Valks, and was impressed with his map sense and general scouting. I reckon he's not too far off his very best form right now.
On February 26 2012 19:32 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Haha Hyde you farken genius! Realising the power of the Fan op curse you finally used it to our advantage :o)
Now going to create every banner to our advantage PL title, here we come
On February 26 2012 23:36 Kiett wrote: Oh, it seems today's win was SKT's 200th PL win! :D Congrats boys! <3
Also, this picture of the team watching Sacsri's game is pretty funny; it reminds me of the reaction guys meme.
On February 26 2012 19:32 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Haha Hyde you farken genius! Realising the power of the Fan op curse you finally used it to our advantage :o)
Now going to create every banner to our advantage PL title, here we come
On February 26 2012 19:32 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Haha Hyde you farken genius! Realising the power of the Fan op curse you finally used it to our advantage :o)
Now going to create every banner to our advantage PL title, here we come
On February 26 2012 23:36 Kiett wrote: Oh, it seems today's win was SKT's 200th PL win! :D Congrats boys! <3
Also, this picture of the team watching Sacsri's game is pretty funny; it reminds me of the reaction guys meme.
On February 26 2012 19:32 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Haha Hyde you farken genius! Realising the power of the Fan op curse you finally used it to our advantage :o)
Now going to create every banner to our advantage PL title, here we come
On February 26 2012 23:36 Kiett wrote: Oh, it seems today's win was SKT's 200th PL win! :D Congrats boys! <3
Also, this picture of the team watching Sacsri's game is pretty funny; it reminds me of the reaction guys meme.
So, SKT got like 5th zerg who can be send out in hope to win, but still mediocre to the bones. Good game tho, Sacscri.
But here is what bothers me. Handful of teams keep sending new or rocky players in order to rise new talents, which usually would be nice and strategically right, but now, when BW is near its end, why keep doing that? I mean next season of PL probably will be the last one (yeah, I know, I don't want that to be true either), and team will not have benefits from developing new talents. Planning for future seems not to be wise move at the moment.
On February 27 2012 09:59 elagrion wrote: So, SKT got like 5th zerg who can be send out in hope to win, but still mediocre to the bones. Good game tho, Sacscri.
But here is what bothers me. Handful of teams keep sending new or rocky players in order to rise new talents, which usually would be nice and strategically right, but now, when BW is near its end, why keep doing that? I mean next season of PL probably will be the last one (yeah, I know, I don't want that to be true either), and team will not have benefits from developing new talents. Planning for future seems not to be wise move at the moment.
Because BW is still getting some nice viewership in Korea on OGN.
On February 27 2012 09:59 elagrion wrote: So, SKT got like 5th zerg who can be send out in hope to win, but still mediocre to the bones. Good game tho, Sacscri.
But here is what bothers me. Handful of teams keep sending new or rocky players in order to rise new talents, which usually would be nice and strategically right, but now, when BW is near its end, why keep doing that? I mean next season of PL probably will be the last one (yeah, I know, I don't want that to be true either), and team will not have benefits from developing new talents. Planning for future seems not to be wise move at the moment.
Because BW is still getting some nice viewership in Korea on OGN.
New players need to learn how to play in the booth as well. Lots of players comment that another player on their team is great in practice but when they get into the booth, everything fades away.
I have no doubts that most Terrans in most teams have similar mechanics to some of the top players, same with the brotoss and same with the zerg. It's not really about that. It's about whether or not a player can plan a game out and execute it perfectly. It's also about whether or not a player has the ability to stay cool under fire.
On February 26 2012 17:38 ArvickHero wrote: I find page 6 of this thread to be comedic gold
At that point Bogus was winning. Also at that point Bogus played pretty well TvZ. Not sure why he wouldn't insist on making some vultures for map control for the late game though.
On February 26 2012 17:38 ArvickHero wrote: I find page 6 of this thread to be comedic gold
At that point Bogus was winning. Also at that point Bogus played pretty well TvZ. Not sure why he wouldn't insist on making some vultures for map control for the late game though.
On February 27 2012 09:59 elagrion wrote: So, SKT got like 5th zerg who can be send out in hope to win, but still mediocre to the bones. Good game tho, Sacscri.
But here is what bothers me. Handful of teams keep sending new or rocky players in order to rise new talents, which usually would be nice and strategically right, but now, when BW is near its end, why keep doing that? I mean next season of PL probably will be the last one (yeah, I know, I don't want that to be true either), and team will not have benefits from developing new talents. Planning for future seems not to be wise move at the moment.
Because BW is still getting some nice viewership in Korea on OGN.
New players need to learn how to play in the booth as well. Lots of players comment that another player on their team is great in practice but when they get into the booth, everything fades away.
I have no doubts that most Terrans in most teams have similar mechanics to some of the top players, same with the brotoss and same with the zerg. It's not really about that. It's about whether or not a player can plan a game out and execute it perfectly. It's also about whether or not a player has the ability to stay cool under fire.
I've seen B teamers clean mines in an attack so well that one pushed through a terran without obs (he seriously microed as well as Bisu in that vs Flash game on HBR). I'm sure enough of them have impeccable mechanics. They just have to learn to play under pressure.
On February 26 2012 17:38 ArvickHero wrote: I find page 6 of this thread to be comedic gold
At that point Bogus was winning. Also at that point Bogus played pretty well TvZ. Not sure why he wouldn't insist on making some vultures for map control for the late game though.
He already had map control and while vultures are never really a "bad" idea they aren't as effective as they could be on Sniper Ridge.
Bogus needed better tank placement combined with good turret cover and he needed to upgrade to 3-3 on his bio and +3 weapon on his tanks. He was 2-2 on bio and 0-0 on metal at the end of the game, which is a huge lapse. Bio dies soooo fast to ling/ultra if you aren't fully upgraded. But, other than those mistakes he played brilliantly. I suspect he was too busy on control to pay proper attention to those details and then eventually forgot.
Bisu didn't even play, kinda sad not to see him playing, hopefully he gets back soon and improves especially with his PvP, on the other hand always good to see SKT1 winning. Gogo!
On February 27 2012 09:59 elagrion wrote: So, SKT got like 5th zerg who can be send out in hope to win, but still mediocre to the bones. Good game tho, Sacscri.
But here is what bothers me. Handful of teams keep sending new or rocky players in order to rise new talents, which usually would be nice and strategically right, but now, when BW is near its end, why keep doing that? I mean next season of PL probably will be the last one (yeah, I know, I don't want that to be true either), and team will not have benefits from developing new talents. Planning for future seems not to be wise move at the moment.
I've seen many commentaries like your's in the past few months and it always bothered me a bit. If we keep anticipating the end of the BW scene, it will obviously end soon enough. I mean, if we keep showing interest it will go on for a couple of years.
OGN still has a big public watching SC and they want to keep it that way. The teams train rookies so the scene cannot end just because there is no more players in the poll. I've read an interview that Flash made when he came out of surgery and he looked so confident about BW. He talked about the game like he'll still play it professionally in three, four or even five years, and seriously, I believe in it.
I don't want to be over-optimistic, but I don't think being so pessimist is going to keep BW alive, in my opinion.
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