On February 21 2012 19:47 Kiett wrote: lol you actually made an under construction graphic xD
Yeah I made one since there have been quite a few last minute LR threads lately :D looks better lol I was going to ask you to draw me a picture to add in, but it's not going to get seen much so it'll be a waste of your time
On February 21 2012 19:47 Kiett wrote: lol you actually made an under construction graphic xD
Yeah I made one since there have been quite a few last minute LR threads lately :D looks better lol I was going to ask you to draw me a picture to add in, but it's not going to get seen much so it'll be a waste of your time
Okay, it's started. Thanks Nanashin for streaming
people should learn from me and make LR threads like 2 days early.
On February 21 2012 19:47 Kiett wrote: lol you actually made an under construction graphic xD
Yeah I made one since there have been quite a few last minute LR threads lately :D looks better lol I was going to ask you to draw me a picture to add in, but it's not going to get seen much so it'll be a waste of your time
Okay, it's started. Thanks Nanashin for streaming
people should learn from me and make LR threads like 2 days early.
I would if I had more time, probably a week in advance if I just slapped the two team icons on the banner :p
On February 21 2012 19:47 Kiett wrote: lol you actually made an under construction graphic xD
Yeah I made one since there have been quite a few last minute LR threads lately :D looks better lol I was going to ask you to draw me a picture to add in, but it's not going to get seen much so it'll be a waste of your time
Okay, it's started. Thanks Nanashin for streaming
people should learn from me and make LR threads like 2 days early.
I would if I had more time, probably a week in advance if I just slapped the two team icons on the banner :p
On February 21 2012 20:12 Uldridge wrote: The big problem I have with Calm now is that he hasn't played a single standard game in forever now -.-" Glad he's winning though..
my dad used to say if it aint broken dont fix it god knows protoss win enough vs zergs these days
It looks like SCBW players aren't even practicing. Idle drones and slow reaction to hydras coming from behind. Something is going on with the players, because the quality of games on average has dropped.
On February 21 2012 20:14 blue001 wrote: It looks like SCBW players aren't even practicing. Idle drones and slow reaction to hydras coming from behind. Something is going on with the players, because the quality of games on average has dropped.
they are distracted but its far from saying that they train sc2 hardcore (which im sure they dont), also wouldnt it be hilariously hypocrytical for players to play sc2 and than cry/be upset after a lose in bw proleague?
Calm played pretty ugly after he scored the nexus kill, never made use of a full control group of mutas for minutes, but he did everything other than micro right, delaying the protoss army as much as possible till he had spread lurkers around and knew that Brave couldn't expand unless he did economic damage. GG
On February 21 2012 20:27 538 wrote: Disappointingly weak game from Brave, wandering the map for minutes with a maxed army without ever pushing for a third??
4th you mean?He couldn't engage at it, he'd have his army trapped there, Brave only survived so long because Calm's bad Calm has forgot about his mutas.
On February 21 2012 20:28 Caihead wrote: Calm played pretty ugly after he scored the nexus kill, never made use of a full control group of mutas for minutes, but he did everything other than micro right, delaying the protoss army as much as possible till he had spread lurkers around and knew that Brave couldn't expand unless he did economic damage. GG
i think it was all part of the plan. in the long run throwing those hydras into oblivion was pretty solid
On February 21 2012 20:28 Caihead wrote: Calm played pretty ugly after he scored the nexus kill, never made use of a full control group of mutas for minutes, but he did everything other than micro right, delaying the protoss army as much as possible till he had spread lurkers around and knew that Brave couldn't expand unless he did economic damage. GG
Yeah, his army movement when Protoss was trying to exert a little control over the map was commendable. He put Brave in a situation where he had only one opportunity and he kept stacking the odds against its success.
On February 21 2012 20:27 538 wrote: Disappointingly weak game from Brave, wandering the map for minutes with a maxed army without ever pushing for a third??
4th you mean?He couldn't engage at it, he'd have his army trapped there, Brave only survived so long because Calm's bad Calm has forgot about his mutas.
Maybe he forgot about them, but not trying to force it with the mutas or drop or whatever was a much stronger choice given the advantage he had.
On February 21 2012 20:28 Caihead wrote: Calm played pretty ugly after he scored the nexus kill, never made use of a full control group of mutas for minutes, but he did everything other than micro right, delaying the protoss army as much as possible till he had spread lurkers around and knew that Brave couldn't expand unless he did economic damage. GG
Yeah, his army movement when Protoss was trying to exert a little control over the map was commendable. He put Brave in a situation where he had only one opportunity and he kept stacking the odds against its success.
yeah exactly!! those hydras from everywhere was pretty good, if it was close game then... definitely not but with his advantage, it was making the game impossible to lose. unless insane drops happen or something
On February 21 2012 20:27 538 wrote: Disappointingly weak game from Brave, wandering the map for minutes with a maxed army without ever pushing for a third??
4th you mean?He couldn't engage at it, he'd have his army trapped there, Brave only survived so long because Calm's bad Calm has forgot about his mutas.
Yeah. Still, he clearly needed to do something with that army instead of letting the zerg macro behind weak defenses, he should have engaged, or fought for a new base - every minute he spent roaming the map like that diminished his chances further. (As for Calm not using his mutas, I think he was a bit afraid of engaging the goon-temp army with his mutas until it was sufficiently drained/distracted.)
I think Khan has made itself a little too predictable. Calm knows exactly who he's playing against on CR, but Brave just has to deal with who he gets on the spot.
On February 21 2012 20:34 Motivate wrote: TurN mvp after using an all-in every game and failing miserably on his last game? lol
JD got mvp after that embarrassing drone game
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
To be honest that award should be renamed to MLP = Most Lulzworthy Player
Turn had a perfect record before his last game vs. effort, and his hit list is more impressive than most A class and even S class players. And his games were much more important in setting khan ahead in the rankings. I would say he deserves it more than JD.
I did countless vult triple expo on Jade and knew this would happen lol. Jangbi stepped on mines but you're way to low on tank count to fend of a proper push.
On February 21 2012 21:10 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Gogogo Khan!
I woke up to pee ad realized today was game day. what did I miss?
Fuck its too early.
Last went for a super early third that Jangbi punished with shuttle zealot drop and goon control. Last held aggression at his third fine and maxed 200/200 but lost all his tanks to zealots and couldn't expand to a fourth and got out macro-ed in the second half.
On February 21 2012 21:10 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Gogogo Khan!
I woke up to pee ad realized today was game day. what did I miss?
Fuck its too early.
Last went for a super early third that Jangbi punished with shuttle zealot drop and goon control. Last held aggression at his third fine and maxed 200/200 but lost all his tanks to zealots and couldn't expand to a fourth and got out macro-ed in the second half.
On February 21 2012 21:10 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Gogogo Khan!
I woke up to pee ad realized today was game day. what did I miss?
Fuck its too early.
Last went for a super early third that Jangbi punished with shuttle zealot drop and goon control. Last held aggression at his third fine and maxed 200/200 but lost all his tanks to zealots and couldn't expand to a fourth and got out macro-ed in the second half.
On February 21 2012 21:10 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Gogogo Khan!
I woke up to pee ad realized today was game day. what did I miss?
Fuck its too early.
Last went for a super early third that Jangbi punished with shuttle zealot drop and goon control. Last held aggression at his third fine and maxed 200/200 but lost all his tanks to zealots and couldn't expand to a fourth and got out macro-ed in the second half.
also game 1 was weird.
Game one calm did a back door and killed brave's natural then basically "turtled" off 4 bases till he had lurkers and held brave's 2 base push and starved him.
I got to say I like that players are starting to bring back cheese strategies. There was a stretch of time that, for whatever reason, players simply refused to proxy anything even though terran and toss would go for even more economic builds. It's nice to have that extra bit of variety in gameplay.
I don`t understand this strategy by Mini: If stork scouted 3 o clock posisition first,he would have seen those gateways right? If he scouts like he did,he sees nothing in Mini`s base so he knows about proxy. The only way this could have worked is if Stork didn`t scout at all,right?
On February 21 2012 21:24 Irratonalys wrote: this game is so over
Yeah, pretty much as soon as Mini was pushed out of Stork's base it was over. That was a really good game though. Mini's zealot micro was just nuts. He looked like he could do it for a bit there.
On February 21 2012 21:25 Itachii wrote: Stork's response was good, but can't deny that mini was unlucky with Stork finding him right away. Khan 2-1, time to finish this.
I actually feel like if mini had executed his rush better it could have worked, why didnt he just hold position zealots at the ramp if he planned to use cannons?
On February 21 2012 21:31 Wala.Revolution wrote: Stork says he is too old, hands didn't follow his head but life of lively to live to life of full life thanks to shield battery.
stork saying that he practiced exactly the same kinda game with his teammate just this afternoon in anticipation of this game. thus, when he realized the cheese he thought he bagged it, but due to him being ole, he couldn't do multitasking... he said he almost lost the game cuzz of his poor multitasking but said his battery saved him.
On February 21 2012 21:31 Wala.Revolution wrote: Stork says he is too old, hands didn't follow his head but life of lively to live to life of full life thanks to shield battery.
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality ><?
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality ><?
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality ><?
I think you're forgetting that Bogus can't TvT. Khan still has Turn for the 5th set if Reality doesn't win, and Turn owned Bogus last time.
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality >
You're underestimating the Storm Terran.
TurN is like aquaman to me...fails when I count on him.
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality ><?
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality ><?
reality sucks ass at tvz
didn't he almost pull off a really strange one base play vs jaedong that almost knocked him out of the MSL once?
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality ><?
reality sucks ass at tvz
didn't he almost pull off a really strange one base play vs jaedong that almost knocked him out of the MSL once?
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality ><?
reality sucks ass at tvz
didn't he almost pull off a really strange one base play vs jaedong that almost knocked him out of the MSL once?
Yeah he 8 rax Jaedong 2 times in a row...everyone can pull that of...
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality ><?
reality sucks ass at tvz
didn't he almost pull off a really strange one base play vs jaedong that almost knocked him out of the MSL once?
at monte cristo. it was like a BW version of SC2 1-1-1. the timing was pitch perfect.
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality > reality sucks ass at tvz
didn't he almost pull off a really strange one base play vs jaedong that almost knocked him out of the MSL once?
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality ><?
reality sucks ass at tvz
didn't he almost pull off a really strange one base play vs jaedong that almost knocked him out of the MSL once?
Reality's sub zero....yeah that was fun.
Seemed for the longest time in 2011 that reality was one of the most creative rookies that just lacked mechanics and lost key engagements but made every decision right.
Just as I say that he lets lings slip by his scv marine wall.
On February 21 2012 21:35 George_the_man wrote: i guess its good saving Bogus on 5th set cause 90% he will win whoever left on Khan... but can Hyvaa kill Reality ><?
reality sucks ass at tvz
didn't he almost pull off a really strange one base play vs jaedong that almost knocked him out of the MSL once?
yeah that's the only reason why people don't think he sucks
Hyvaa is pulling ahead in this game it seems, reality's bio switch was super late, he probably doesn't even have range with stim since he used all his early gas for tanks and tech.
What is up with these borderline absurd GG timings I've been seeing in proleague this whole season? A few days ago Orion GG'd against JD with 1 supply vs 25.
On February 21 2012 21:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: why are you still on 2 bases reality.
when youre going semi skterran and youre pushing zerg like this you are better placed investing money of macro and upgrade than expoing with the goal of ending the game asap before more lurks, defiler, and ultras
On February 21 2012 21:56 McBengt wrote: What is up with these borderline absurd GG timings I've been seeing in proleague this whole season? A few days ago Orion GG'd against JD with 1 supply vs 25.
yeah shuttle had 4 against soulkey, mini waited till 9 today, last could have gged a lot earlier, basically everyone on skt the other day. it's not good but i don't know why
In an epic quest, to attempt to break the record of "most facepalm inducing game", Reality wins over Hyvaa, yet they managed to lose in the quest to FBH and Jaehoon's "oh god, why are these guys on a pro team" game.
On February 21 2012 21:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: why are you still on 2 bases reality.
when youre going semi skterran and youre pushing zerg like this you are better placed investing money of macro and upgrade than expoing with the goal of ending the game asap before more lurks, defiler, and ultras
Reality's timing was completely off though, it was more hyvaa not capitalizing on the fact that he already had consume / lurkers as well as a fourth up by the time reality was sieging up his third.
I basically had no idea what the fuck was going on from minute one there. It was like they were trying to outdo eachother with inscrutable plays and blunders. It was pretty entertaining just because of that, but it was certainly not for the faint of heart.
On February 21 2012 21:58 Kazius wrote: In an epic quest, to attempt to break the record of "most facepalm inducing game", Reality wins over Hyvaa, yet they managed to lose in the quest to FBH and Jaehoon's "oh god, why are these guys on a pro team" game.
STX seems to be basically out of the playoff running now. Realistically, it'll be Samsung and KT, with the 3-6 fighting for those other precious two spots.
On February 21 2012 21:59 sinistral wrote: Khan goes back to 1st place.
T8 has an extra -1 differential for some reason.
yeah i remember someone saying tyson had gged in korean the other day? but bogus didn't gg at all when he lost that tvp the other day and i don't see a penalty
edit: T8 pretty much must go 4-1 and end with a winning record to get into the playoffs since their game record is significantly worse than cj and skt
On February 21 2012 21:57 Itachii wrote: Quality of the games isn't important as long as Khan wins. Fuck yeah, gg.
the feeling of winning a nailbiting match is much better, now its only "ok" i hope the quality of play will be better on later stages otherwise it will suck hard
On February 21 2012 22:00 Hinanawi wrote: STX seems to be basically out of the playoff running now. Realistically, it'll be Samsung and KT, with the 3-6 fighting for those other precious two spots.
funny seeing t1 at #4 arent they always like 1 or 2?
I think you only get a warning for fist offense so someone from T8 mustve done it twice. Anyway, I think we have our Top 4. Only CJ has a chance and if they do advance it would probably be Woongjin who would not make it.
On February 21 2012 22:00 Hinanawi wrote: STX seems to be basically out of the playoff running now. Realistically, it'll be Samsung and KT, with the 3-6 fighting for those other precious two spots.
funny seeing t1 at #4 arent they always like 1 or 2?
T1 CJ and T8 all being below khan stars and KT is a bit baffling, I thought the Bo5 format would ensure that the race / player specific teams would have a harder time closing it out against the deeper teams.
On February 21 2012 22:00 Hinanawi wrote: STX seems to be basically out of the playoff running now. Realistically, it'll be Samsung and KT, with the 3-6 fighting for those other precious two spots.
funny seeing t1 at #4 arent they always like 1 or 2?
T1 CJ and T8 all being below khan stars and KT is a bit baffling, I thought the Bo5 format would ensure that the race / player specific teams would have a harder time closing it out against the deeper teams.
T8 has not been playing anywhere near the level that they should have with those players. Its not so strange though because they just formed a new team etc. If Sea can pick his game up, I think they should make the playoffs.
gonna be tough for T8 to make the playoffs considering they are 2 games behind, have a -5 setscore, and have already played the 2 weakest teams this round.
On February 21 2012 21:57 Itachii wrote: Quality of the games isn't important as long as Khan wins. Fuck yeah, gg.
the feeling of winning a nailbiting match is much better, now its only "ok" i hope the quality of play will be better on later stages otherwise it will suck hard
That's because January fights fire with fire:
- Against a good team like KT, Samsung plays well. - Against a mediocre team like STX, Samsung plays mediocre. - Against a troll team like CJ (who goes from #1 in round 1 to last place in round 2), Samsung trolls by losing against them every round.
- Against the team Bisu is on, you just crush it. Why? Because The Commander >>>>> Bisu.
On February 21 2012 22:00 Hinanawi wrote: STX seems to be basically out of the playoff running now. Realistically, it'll be Samsung and KT, with the 3-6 fighting for those other precious two spots.
funny seeing t1 at #4 arent they always like 1 or 2?
T1 CJ and T8 all being below khan stars and KT is a bit baffling, I thought the Bo5 format would ensure that the race / player specific teams would have a harder time closing it out against the deeper teams.
T8 has not been playing anywhere near the level that they should have with those players. Its not so strange though because they just formed a new team etc. If Sea can pick his game up, I think they should make the playoffs.
Still doesn't explain T1 and CJ's placement though, by no means are the players on those teams playing badly, if you put the side line players on T1 and CJ against side line players of the top 3 teams in a bo3 or bo5 they would have a good chance of winning in their current form. Maybe it's to do with the fact that the teams that are succeeding are really doing it off the back of less known (relative to FBB) players who are well prepared for a specific map / match up who are much harder to predict and prepare against. Where as teams like CJ and T1 are over extending their star line up by expecting them to be able to win at any match up on any map and send them dependent on the score rather than the map / match up; where as players like turn and brave are bringing home ironically almost guaranteed wins.
A good example is in round 2 when Khan played Stars, it went to set 5 and because the map was chain reaction brave was sent out despite the fact that Jangbi hasn't even played (imagine if a game went to set 5 and flash/stats or a member of FBB was not sent out); and he played vs Shy who has also been sent out on jade / chain reaction in 10/12 appearances.
It's difficult to say this but is January out-coaching T1 and CJ?
On February 21 2012 22:14 iLoveKT wrote: gonna be tough for T8 to make the playoffs considering they are 2 games behind, have a -5 setscore, and have already played the 2 weakest teams this round.
No, Team 8 are only 1 game behind 4th place with a -4 set difference.
On February 21 2012 22:00 Hinanawi wrote: STX seems to be basically out of the playoff running now. Realistically, it'll be Samsung and KT, with the 3-6 fighting for those other precious two spots.
funny seeing t1 at #4 arent they always like 1 or 2?
T1 CJ and T8 all being below khan stars and KT is a bit baffling, I thought the Bo5 format would ensure that the race / player specific teams would have a harder time closing it out against the deeper teams.
Wouldn't your argument basically support Khan's place near the top? They have the deepest lineup in the PL. As for KT, they have an auto-win player and another almost-auto-win-in-PL player. In a Bo5 that's pretty big advantage. OTOH, Best, Sun, and to a lesser extent Bisu have all underperformed. While the entire CJ team seem to have no chemistry despite their depth. In that the players that get sent out sparingly tend to not perform well despite seemingly more time to prepare each match.
On February 21 2012 22:00 Hinanawi wrote: STX seems to be basically out of the playoff running now. Realistically, it'll be Samsung and KT, with the 3-6 fighting for those other precious two spots.
funny seeing t1 at #4 arent they always like 1 or 2?
T1 CJ and T8 all being below khan stars and KT is a bit baffling, I thought the Bo5 format would ensure that the race / player specific teams would have a harder time closing it out against the deeper teams.
Wouldn't your argument basically support Khan's place near the top? They have the deepest lineup in the PL. As for KT, they have an auto-win player and another almost-auto-win-in-PL player. In a Bo5 that's pretty big advantage. OTOH, Best, Sun, and to a lesser extent Bisu have all underperformed. While the entire CJ team seem to have no chemistry despite their depth. In that the players that get sent out sparingly tend to not perform well despite seemingly more time to prepare each match.
Khan having the deepest line is arguable, stars having a deeper line than CJ / SKT is also arguable. As I've explained in my previous post I think the perception that Khan has the deepest line and that the top 3 teams are performing so well are mostly due to good coaching and decisions in preparation of the matches. Having key players with solid performances just makes it that much better. The coaching choices are what made Khan in particular stand out.
I just saw the VODs, and I realized in Stork vs Mini. that mini pylon above the ramp was not for canon leapfrog as many speculated the forge came much much later when mini was sure he could not do damage with his lots as stork was defending well and had the advantage of home base defense and THE shield battery. the forge from mini was meant to canon his main for the counter that would soon commence.
i think mini meant to warp a shield battery there too fortunately, stork was too smart for it and did everything, zealots and probes, to destroy it and the mini probe as well.
early game low-econ high micro PvPs like that are always welcome!
On February 22 2012 11:11 yepenaxa wrote: I just saw the VODs, and I realized in Stork vs Mini. that mini pylon above the ramp was not for canon leapfrog as many speculated the forge came much much later when mini was sure he could not do damage with his lots as stork was defending well and had the advantage of home base defense and THE shield battery. the forge from mini was meant to canon his main for the counter that would soon commence.
i think mini meant to warp a shield battery there too fortunately, stork was too smart for it and did everything, zealots and probes, to destroy it and the mini probe as well.
early game low-econ high micro PvPs like that are always welcome!
That's how the cheesiest most micro oriented race should be played!
On February 22 2012 11:11 yepenaxa wrote: I just saw the VODs, and I realized in Stork vs Mini. that mini pylon above the ramp was not for canon leapfrog as many speculated the forge came much much later when mini was sure he could not do damage with his lots as stork was defending well and had the advantage of home base defense and THE shield battery. the forge from mini was meant to canon his main for the counter that would soon commence.
i think mini meant to warp a shield battery there too fortunately, stork was too smart for it and did everything, zealots and probes, to destroy it and the mini probe as well.
early game low-econ high micro PvPs like that are always welcome!
No. The forge was built at pretty much the same time the pylon was. They never actually show mini's base during that time period, but if you watch his minimap, at 5:18 in the VOD, there's only the Nexus in his base. 5 seconds later, at 5:23, another blue dot, the forge, appears below it, at the exact same time that the pylon finishes. I can't say for sure his intentions for that pylon, but the forge was definitely there before the pylon went down.
On February 21 2012 21:33 SFANZA wrote: stork saying that he practiced exactly the same kinda game with his teammate just this afternoon in anticipation of this game. thus, when he realized the cheese he thought he bagged it, but due to him being ole, he couldn't do multitasking... he said he almost lost the game cuzz of his poor multitasking but said his battery saved him.
Reading this really makes me feel sad. I remember the times when Stork's zealot micro was really, really awesome,
On February 22 2012 11:11 yepenaxa wrote: I just saw the VODs, and I realized in Stork vs Mini. that mini pylon above the ramp was not for canon leapfrog as many speculated the forge came much much later when mini was sure he could not do damage with his lots as stork was defending well and had the advantage of home base defense and THE shield battery. the forge from mini was meant to canon his main for the counter that would soon commence.
i think mini meant to warp a shield battery there too fortunately, stork was too smart for it and did everything, zealots and probes, to destroy it and the mini probe as well.
early game low-econ high micro PvPs like that are always welcome!
No. The forge was built at pretty much the same time the pylon was. They never actually show mini's base during that time period, but if you watch his minimap, at 5:18 in the VOD, there's only the Nexus in his base. 5 seconds later, at 5:23, another blue dot, the forge, appears below it, at the exact same time that the pylon finishes. I can't say for sure his intentions for that pylon, but the forge was definitely there before the pylon went down.
May I present counter evidence to yours and evidence to my initial proposition:
Game: 03:10 VOD: 05:04 mini's probe warp's in the pylon at the ramp
Game: 03:15 VOD: 05:09 camera on mini's base, no forge
Game: 03:41 VOD: 05:45 mini's pylon miniseconds away from exploding please pay attention to the minimap this is where, as you noticed, there is a blue dot below mini's nexus already i was trying to track the mineral count, unfortunately the VOD turns to stork when mini had 184 minerals and returns with mini at 68 minerals. this happened around 03:27[game] / 05:21[VOD] (also important is how mini religiously pumps zealots and never lets the mineral get beyond 100, but this time it reaches way beyong 180) given the circumstances: time/additional minerals between stork focus and the mineral difference 184++ (could have been 200+) - 68 = 150ish i'd say this is the time the forge was warped, 03:27[game] / 05:21[VOD] or 17+ game seconds after he warped in that pylon.
Game: 03:44 VOD: 05:37 mini's pylon now goes poof! now the dot below mini's nexus is more prominent maybe there is a probe there that it looks bigger now?
Game: 03:59 VOD: 05:52 mini has more zealots than stork but stork's probes and shield battery keeps him alive and kicking
Game: 04:36 VOD: 06:29 we see the mini's forge for the first time
Therefore, unless mini was planning to go canon-powering pylons first before warping the forge (he forgot? maybe true. he doesn't know the timing? definitely not true.) there is no way that pylon is for canons, It must have been for battery as mini still has army advantage at this time and was losing only because storks probes and zealots are immortal. Thanks for listening/reading,.
On February 22 2012 11:11 yepenaxa wrote: I just saw the VODs, and I realized in Stork vs Mini. that mini pylon above the ramp was not for canon leapfrog as many speculated the forge came much much later when mini was sure he could not do damage with his lots as stork was defending well and had the advantage of home base defense and THE shield battery. the forge from mini was meant to canon his main for the counter that would soon commence.
i think mini meant to warp a shield battery there too fortunately, stork was too smart for it and did everything, zealots and probes, to destroy it and the mini probe as well.
early game low-econ high micro PvPs like that are always welcome!
No. The forge was built at pretty much the same time the pylon was. They never actually show mini's base during that time period, but if you watch his minimap, at 5:18 in the VOD, there's only the Nexus in his base. 5 seconds later, at 5:23, another blue dot, the forge, appears below it, at the exact same time that the pylon finishes. I can't say for sure his intentions for that pylon, but the forge was definitely there before the pylon went down.
May I present counter evidence to yours and evidence to my initial proposition:
Therefore, unless mini was planning to go canon-powering pylons first before warping the forge (he forgot? maybe true. he doesn't know the timing? definitely not true.) there is no way that pylon is for canons, It must have been for battery as mini still has army advantage at this time and was losing only because storks probes and zealots are immortal. Thanks for listening/reading,.
There was perhaps a possibility that Mini wanted to build a forge at Stork's natural for some sort of sim-city against a zealot breakout. But when I watched the game a battery seemed like the more reasonable decision. It would've certainly depended on what his probe saturation looked like. Probably not enough to make forge/cannon while matching Stork's zealot production.
Since I don't play anymore I can't really recall what Mini's economy would've been like at the time. My guess is your scenario is more likely given that he probably cut a lot of probes for his proxy gates.
Calm is suck a fucking boss. rushes, then drones so hard behind it. constant micro and multitask , and even beat the protoss to +1 attack. He even fucking LOOKS badass the whole time, unlike that pretty boy brave. GG FUCK YES ZERG
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