On October 21 2011 16:41 Kiante wrote: So here i am, peacefully going about my business with uni work and stuff, when i get a distressing message on IRC from your friendly neighbourhood fold.
He tells me there's this idiot called "Puppykiller" going on about me being terrible on his stream. As a man of action, i quickly take this to OP teamliquid to get the grudge that i am owed. Here was the result.
QQ about being tired or some shit. Dude continues to hang around in the channel entertaining ideas of hosting games for other people. Whatever, nobody needs someone to give excuses. I kept pressing but couldn't get an answer, as such i'm forced to blog this to call him out publicly.
Don't get me wrong here, i know I'm bad, but i KNOW i'm better than this scrub. But Kiante? How could you know that! i heard you ask.
Here's how. I played the dude like, 4 days ago. Here were the results. + Show Spoiler +
Summary: siege expo vs bisu build pvt. I make some goons, run to his third, kill CC, gg. Giving up too early? the real sign of a little bitch who doesn't know how to back his words up.
Summary: He wants to restart because he messed up 1 scv. LOL. srsly, who is this. Me being the bigger man allows it(even tho my split was fucking awesome).
Summary: he scans me going 2 gate 3 base arbiter without obs, and decides that taking a third and making something like 50 turrets to deter a recall is the correct path (note: i manage to recall anyway). This leads to a weak push coming out super late that i clean up with mass goon while sitting pretty on 6 bases.
After this game i tried to give him some friendly advice about scouting and being more agressive vs greedy protoss and he laughed in my face, called me stupid and said he was right (even tho he got rolled 2x (3) times.)
Whatever, i shrugged that off, but to hear he's been BMing me on his stream behind my back (ps: his green flickering overlay looks retarded) is one step too far.
So, to Puppykiller, when/if you read this, Man up. BO5 grudge match me. Be a man, and back up your words or shrink back into your shitty little hole filled with spite and passive terran play.
To anyone reading this who knows him, guide him here. I want everyone to see him shamed*.
* last part was bolded by me, those are some fighting words
The two players will battle it out over 5 games, first player to win three games takes the series, bathing in glory and cheer, whilst the loser is tarred and feathered. First map is Fighting Spirit, from then on Loser picks the next map. Here are some great suggestions No map is to be played twice in this Bo5 I've never seen PK play before, so I'm going to bet Kiante will sweep 3-0 + Show Spoiler +
The Letter of Apology, click here Contains spoilers obviously, but the debt has been fulfilled. As for the other punishments they probably won't go through as that requires admin work.
1) Letter of Apology - no less than 400 words apparently. 2) 0 Post count + worker icon for a month 3) Stream name changed to Winner's username's Bitch for a month (or something similar, what ever the winner decides and the admins willing to input) 4) Location changed to what ever the winner desires.
On October 22 2011 22:10 puppykiller wrote: AWE YEAAAAH!!!!!! AND NOW FOR SOME SMACK TALK.
Kunta' Kinte',
I don't know anything about you. For this reason 100% of your persona to me is based solely upon stereotypes. However, this happens to be an advantage for you, as it makes you a much more intimidating opponent than you would be otherwise. I am many times more intimidated by a muscle bound, woman punching, goat-herder, who spends most of his time brewing moonshine in a wigwam, than I am intimidated by a young australasian hobbit who dresses up like Aldaris and parades around his parents house in a demented frenzy, drawing pylons with a blue crayon on every lightbulb.
I am surprised that you challenged me to a grudge match after I insulted you, considering that I am sure you are used to constant put-downs about your play. In fact, the only reason I trashed your play in the first place was because I wanted to fit in with the other noobish players in op teamliquid who find your inability to play the Jedi race a source of great humor and great confusion. Perhaps the reason you spend most of your time lurking on fish is for the benefit of not understanding your opponents disdainful spam.
I don't know why you named the account that you smurfed me on after the medicine that you use to kill the gnats that lay eggs in your rectum. Upon seeing a name that implies such a pitiful existence ask me for a game, I felt an overwhelming burden to go easy on you. Your wins were all flukes, and it is so very very unfortunate that it will take an LR thread and 10 casters to prove this to you.
Whatever happens in these games, I would like you to promise to me that in the end there will be no hard feelings. I will not be able to put an honest effort into winning this bo5 if upon your final GG, I have reason to suspect the terrifying threat of an enraged Aussie sheep-shaver, plunging into the pacific ocean to rope two massive sharks together with nothing but his bare hands and a coil of the collective intestines of a small indigenous village, for the sole intent of riding this bloodthirsty and hellbent raft all the way to California where he will then marathon his way tirelessly to the American Midwest, to ultimately satisfy his maniacal revenge fantasies, only stopping along the way to viciously (and might I add enthusiastically) poison his harpoon with his disgusting case of rectal gnats.
And with that I say good luck to you Kunta' Kinte'. Perhaps in this forthcoming dark moment of defeat, will the testicles you believe missing from me, finally show themselves as they gracefully drop onto your eyes, blocking out all light.
On October 22 2011 22:10 puppykiller wrote: AWE YEAAAAH!!!!!! AND NOW FOR SOME SMACK TALK.
Kunta' Kinte',
I don't know anything about you. For this reason 100% of your persona to me is based solely upon stereotypes. However, this happens to be an advantage for you, as it makes you a much more intimidating opponent than you would be otherwise. I am many times more intimidated by a muscle bound, woman punching, goat-herder, who spends most of his time brewing moonshine in a wigwam, than I am intimidated by a young australasian hobbit who dresses up like Aldaris and parades around his parents house in a demented frenzy, drawing pylons with a blue crayon on every lightbulb.
I am surprised that you challenged me to a grudge match after I insulted you, considering that I am sure you are used to constant put-downs about your play. In fact, the only reason I trashed your play in the first place was because I wanted to fit in with the other noobish players in op teamliquid who find your inability to play the Jedi race a source of great humor and great confusion. Perhaps the reason you spend most of your time lurking on fish is for the benefit of not understanding your opponents disdainful spam.
I don't know why you named the account that you smurfed me on after the medicine that you use to kill the gnats that lay eggs in your rectum. Upon seeing a name that implies such a pitiful existence ask me for a game, I felt an overwhelming burden to go easy on you. Your wins were all flukes, and it is so very very unfortunate that it will take an LR thread and 10 casters to prove this to you.
Whatever happens in these games, I would like you to promise to me that in the end there will be no hard feelings. I will not be able to put an honest effort into winning this bo5 if upon your final GG, I have reason to suspect the terrifying threat of an enraged Aussie sheep-shaver, plunging into the pacific ocean to rope two massive sharks together with nothing but his bare hands and a coil of the collective intestines of a small indigenous village, for the sole intent of riding this bloodthirsty and hellbent raft all the way to California where he will then marathon his way tirelessly to the American Midwest, to ultimately satisfy his maniacal revenge fantasies, only stopping along the way to viciously (and might I add enthusiastically) poison his harpoon with his disgusting case of rectal gnats.
And with that I say good luck to you Kunta' Kinte'. Perhaps in this forthcoming dark moment of defeat, will the testicles you believe missing from me, finally show themselves as they gracefully drop onto your eyes, blocking out all light.
I like how you're trying to make light of this when in reality you're a worthless player who demeans others to try and get some kind of meaning out of life. You may think this is all just some silly bullshit, but i'm 100% serious here son. I'm grudge matching you to put you in your place and we all know how this is going to turn out.
All i can ask is that you pick some fun maps for games 2 and 3 of this series as its obvious i wont get a chance to pick. As for your wall of pointless text you wrote here to try and get people on your side with some light hearted banter, i say fuck you. Fuck you and everything you stand for. I hope once i beat your ass down 3-0 you'll stop and think before you talk trash about other players who are obviously superior too you.
As for putting down the name "Aspition". I'd just like to say that as someone who actually typed in puppykiller in the account name section of both the teamliquid and battle net account creation screens, you really aren't coming from a position of strength.
On October 22 2011 22:10 puppykiller wrote: AWE YEAAAAH!!!!!! AND NOW FOR SOME SMACK TALK.
Kunta' Kinte',
I don't know anything about you. For this reason 100% of your persona to me is based solely upon stereotypes. However, this happens to be an advantage for you, as it makes you a much more intimidating opponent than you would be otherwise. I am many times more intimidated by a muscle bound, woman punching, goat-herder, who spends most of his time brewing moonshine in a wigwam, than I am intimidated by a young australasian hobbit who dresses up like Aldaris and parades around his parents house in a demented frenzy, drawing pylons with a blue crayon on every lightbulb.
I am surprised that you challenged me to a grudge match after I insulted you, considering that I am sure you are used to constant put-downs about your play. In fact, the only reason I trashed your play in the first place was because I wanted to fit in with the other noobish players in op teamliquid who find your inability to play the Jedi race a source of great humor and great confusion. Perhaps the reason you spend most of your time lurking on fish is for the benefit of not understanding your opponents disdainful spam.
I don't know why you named the account that you smurfed me on after the medicine that you use to kill the gnats that lay eggs in your rectum. Upon seeing a name that implies such a pitiful existence ask me for a game, I felt an overwhelming burden to go easy on you. Your wins were all flukes, and it is so very very unfortunate that it will take an LR thread and 10 casters to prove this to you.
Whatever happens in these games, I would like you to promise to me that in the end there will be no hard feelings. I will not be able to put an honest effort into winning this bo5 if upon your final GG, I have reason to suspect the terrifying threat of an enraged Aussie sheep-shaver, plunging into the pacific ocean to rope two massive sharks together with nothing but his bare hands and a coil of the collective intestines of a small indigenous village, for the sole intent of riding this bloodthirsty and hellbent raft all the way to California where he will then marathon his way tirelessly to the American Midwest, to ultimately satisfy his maniacal revenge fantasies, only stopping along the way to viciously (and might I add enthusiastically) poison his harpoon with his disgusting case of rectal gnats.
And with that I say good luck to you Kunta' Kinte'. Perhaps in this forthcoming dark moment of defeat, will the testicles you believe missing from me, finally show themselves as they gracefully drop onto your eyes, blocking out all light.
I like how you're trying to make light of this when in reality you're a worthless player who demeans others to try and get some kind of meaning out of life. You may think this is all just some silly bullshit, but i'm 100% serious here son. I'm grudge matching you to put you in your place and we all know how this is going to turn out.
All i can ask is that you pick some fun maps for games 2 and 3 of this series as its obvious i wont get a chance to pick. As for your wall of pointless text you wrote here to try and get people on your side with some light hearted banter, i say fuck you. Fuck you and everything you stand for. I hope once i beat your ass down 3-0 you'll stop and think before you talk trash about other players who are obviously superior too you.
As for putting down the name "Aspition". I'd just like to say that as someone who actually typed in puppykiller in the account name section of both the teamliquid and battle net account creation screens, you really aren't coming from a position of strength.
As for rescheduling, no.
OOOOH BOYOYOYOYO u do not know what your getting yourself into! I am gonna rape u harder then LRM)Game raped zergneedsfood's food.
I'm ok with not rescheduling as long as you admit that you're killing esports as well by agreeing to the time that I picked rather selfishly. It works for me and it works for you but unfortunately, not for esports. I guess that's something we must both have to be ok with. Don't accuse me of choosing a shit time, and then when inquire about rescheduling, imply that I'm dodging. i just do it to annoy you and make you swear since that's the only way you can get people to watch your stream.
As for your "fuck everything I stand for", I guess I didn't realize being awesome was offensive to you, shoulda figured. Yes go try and fuck my awesomeness and when your done please put more effort and creativity into your posts, they're rather boring to read.
And I named myself puppykiller because I am a puppy who kills things, not a thing that kills puppies.
He specifically insulted my pvt. I played him. i beat him. he bm'd me and called me stupid when i tried to give him advice.
I don't want to lose a grudge match because a partially mentally retarded 16 year old looked up the build order for 9 hatch ling allin.
This grudge is about my playing on stream. I play protoss. my terran and zerg are awful. Chill and combatex played a main race grudge match. This isn't some bullshit "oh hey we have a grudge lets go skip around the merry go round" bullshit grudge match full of fun and games with kooky zvt cheese. I'm playing to prove I'm the superior player.
On October 22 2011 23:13 Kiante wrote: He specifically insulted my pvt. I played him. i beat him. he bm'd me and called me stupid when i tried to give him advice.
I don't want to lose a grudge match because a partially mentally retarded 16 year old looked up the build order for 9 hatch ling allin.
This grudge is about my playing on stream. I play protoss. my terran and zerg are awful. Chill and combatex played a main race grudge match. This isn't some bullshit "oh hey we have a grudge lets go skip around the merry go round" bullshit grudge match full of fun and games with kooky zvt cheese. I'm playing to prove I'm the superior player.
lol your original post that called for the grudge match seemed so lighthearted and fun.
Was it the statement I made about how I plan to place my balls upon your eyes? I'll make sure to repeat that in game one before I split my workers.
be realistic, being an ass and playing like an ass (who sucks) go hand in hand. i love it when the person getting called out thinks it's alright and feels like they have a chance.
On October 22 2011 23:13 Kiante wrote: He specifically insulted my pvt. I played him. i beat him. he bm'd me and called me stupid when i tried to give him advice.
I don't want to lose a grudge match because a partially mentally retarded 16 year old looked up the build order for 9 hatch ling allin.
This grudge is about my playing on stream. I play protoss. my terran and zerg are awful. Chill and combatex played a main race grudge match. This isn't some bullshit "oh hey we have a grudge lets go skip around the merry go round" bullshit grudge match full of fun and games with kooky zvt cheese. I'm playing to prove I'm the superior player.
Can't wait for this to happen. I've been watching puppykiller's stream for a couple of days now, even though he's the underdog I'm still rooting for him
puppykiller: And I named myself puppykiller because I am a puppy who kills things, not a thing that kills puppies.
You guys are underestimating puppykiller. It is not really possible that he will get 3-0ed or raped. Puppykiller is not that bad once he plays a few games.
As for the stakes, puppykiller suggested something dumb like writing a song? i dont want to write a fucking song, not to mention singing it for a week is irrelevant as i probably wont be streaming for the next 3 weeks due to exams.
as for the 0 post count SCV for a month, sounds good to me, if we can get the dodgemeister to agree to it. If not that what about a stream name change to <winners name>'s bitch so thats how it shows up in the stream list. that'd be pretty good.
On October 23 2011 08:22 Kiante wrote: as for the 0 post count SCV for a month, sounds good to me, if we can get the dodgemeister to agree to it. If not that what about a stream name change to <winners name>'s bitch so thats how it shows up in the stream list. that'd be pretty good.
I really like the second idea but u said you wont be streaming soon so it would only affect puppy. Loser changes sig to "winner's bitch" sounds good though.
Not like the punishment on me is actually relevant here, lets be honest. the only way puppykiller wins this is if he gets some korean to smurf on his account or i die IRL during the set and he gets a forfeit win
On October 23 2011 00:18 hacklebeast wrote: Why are there no stakes? A grudge match isn't a grudge match until there is a wager.
Agreed, we need embarrasment
Given how aggressively hardcore pro-BW Puppykiller is, he has to stream himself playing SC2 for a week if he loses
I don't know what Kiante doesn't like. Hello Kitty Adventure, maybe.
How good are these guys, anyway? I was under the impression that beating Puppykiller would be an achievement for me but an achievable goal; am I underestimating him?
On October 23 2011 00:18 hacklebeast wrote: Why are there no stakes? A grudge match isn't a grudge match until there is a wager.
Agreed, we need embarrasment
Given how aggressively hardcore pro-BW Puppykiller is, he has to stream himself playing SC2 for a week if he loses
I don't know what Kiante doesn't like. Hello Kitty Adventure, maybe.
How good are these guys, anyway? I was under the impression that beating Puppykiller would be an achievement for me but an achievable goal; am I underestimating him?
haha that punishment is so cruel. Its like draining xp from me if I get defeated.
successful troll is successful this guy is obviously just fucking with kiante for some attention, and is succeeding i hope he wins cuz that would be fucking hilarious
On October 23 2011 12:41 sluggaslamoo wrote: omg pjwhwaiting is kiante??? Hes been on my friend list for so long not knowing who the hell he was lol.
If you're talking about the screenshot, he's aspition, not pjwhwaiting.
Also do we have a confirmation on the stakes yet? We seem to be dancing around either sig changes, stream name changes, or 0 post count + worker icon. Maybe we can change their location to something embarassing too, just an idea. Can we get an agreement on something from Kiante and PK. Or do you want the people to decide?
On October 23 2011 12:41 sluggaslamoo wrote: omg pjwhwaiting is kiante??? Hes been on my friend list for so long not knowing who the hell he was lol.
If you're talking about the screenshot, he's aspition, not pjwhwaiting.
Also do we have a confirmation on the stakes yet? We seem to be dancing around either sig changes, stream name changes, or 0 post count + worker icon. Maybe we can change their location to something embarassing too, just an idea. Can we get an agreement on something from Kiante and PK. Or do you want the people to decide?
I definitely believe that Kiante owes me a sincere and elegantly worded apology letter (with no swearing >8[ ). I am a very manner guy in more cases than not, and I am certain from the tidbits of Kiante's stream that I have watched in the past, that I have a much more manner track record then Kiante. I think that a 400 word apology letter should be one condition expected of the loser.
Also I demand a winners interview at the end.
Oh and when Kiante loses, can we change his location to Juggalo island?
On October 23 2011 11:21 ninazerg wrote: You kill puppies and you should be ashamed of yourself, and you will be when Kiante throws your shrimp on the barbie.
On October 23 2011 11:21 ninazerg wrote: You kill puppies and you should be ashamed of yourself, and you will be when Kiante throws your shrimp on the barbie.
Is that the Aussie term for "tossing the salad"?
It's when an Australian kicks your ass so badly that your kids are born with their asses also kicked!
I definitely believe that Kiante owes me a sincere and elegantly worded apology letter (with no swearing >8[ ). I am a very manner guy in more cases than not, and I am certain from the tidbits of Kiante's stream that I have watched in the past, that I have a much more manner track record then Kiante. I think that a 400 word apology letter should be one condition expected of the loser.
Also I demand a winners interview at the end.
Oh and when Kiante loses, can we change his location to Juggalo island?
loser gets to write 400 word apology,Kiante u accept?
On October 23 2011 11:21 ninazerg wrote: You kill puppies and you should be ashamed of yourself, and you will be when Kiante throws your shrimp on the barbie.
Is that the Aussie term for "tossing the salad"?
no.. its an aussie term for putting shrimp on a barbecue.
puppykiller wrote:: And I named myself puppykiller because I am a puppy who kills things, not a thing that kills puppies.
this is the only possible reason to support the guy
The main reason to support the guy is because he defends the right of lesser players to talk shit about better players. Without this right, TL's coverage of the korean pro-scene would be barren.
Another strong, legit reason is seeing Kiante rage his heart out if he loses fair and square.
So everyone, support Puppykiller. Unless you hate esports.
I want your stream named kiante's bitch for a month, but i doubt harem would go for that. As a backup lets go for the letter, i'm good with that. love to add on the 0 post count worker icon also if thats a possibility.
Korean proscene coverage is completely different. If bisu played me and raped my face off and then gave me advice, i'd fucking listen. what did puppykiller do? went off and talked shit. like a bitch.
the bitch that he is.
As many punishments as possible would be great, as well as confirming no map repeats during the series.
lol kiante the difference is your not bisu ^_^ btw puppy didn't actually really talk shit beforehand, just said ur bad over skype when he was streaming. Oh well atleast ur ego will cause u to be publicly humiliated.
1) Letter of Apology - no less than 400 words apparently. 2) 0 Post count + worker icon for a month 3) Stream name changed to Winner's username's Bitch for a month (or something similar, what ever the winner decides and the admins can input. They probably won't allow any profanity) 4) Location changed to what ever the winner desires.
No map is to be played twice, I will crack the shits if I have to sit through two FS in a Bo5 (as if that map wasn't played enough already)
Still no caster decided yet unfortunately. I don't really care who casts now that Sayle can't cast, as long as they don't lag (why can't you wake up at 4am Sayle )
On October 23 2011 15:10 Lumire wrote: lol kiante the difference is your not bisu ^_^ btw puppy didn't actually really talk shit beforehand, just said ur bad over skype when he was streaming. Oh well atleast ur ego will cause u to be publicly humiliated.
yes he did. i played him twice. i tried to give advice, he rejected it and called it stupid, when in fact it was solid advice and i was just trying to be helpful. If anyone is getting publicly humiliated here its the BM idiot, not me.
On October 23 2011 15:10 Lumire wrote: lol kiante the difference is your not bisu ^_^ btw puppy didn't actually really talk shit beforehand, just said ur bad over skype when he was streaming. Oh well atleast ur ego will cause u to be publicly humiliated.
yes he did. i played him twice. i tried to give advice, he rejected it and called it stupid, when in fact it was solid advice and i was just trying to be helpful. If anyone is getting publicly humiliated here its the BM idiot, not me.
ps: 2-1
Okay since u keep talking about this fucking 2-1, those were the fucking dumbest games ive played in my entire life... it basically went.
Game 1: standard ZvP, 6 hat fast hive etc etc kiante tries to break me on 3 base before hive, fails, and gets raped.
Game 2: 1 base toss which i have 0 clue on how to react, might have been even after the opening but im so thrown off it dosent matter (was still reallllly close though).
Game 3: speedlot allin which kills all the drones at my nat and my 3rd hat + all the drones there + my hydra den. This really wierd ling vs zealot thing that lasts for like 3 min goes on before i can finnaly secure my 3rd again. I manage to get hive up and go ultras and kiante's army gets thrashed like 4 times in a row but since i never go ultra/ling/defiler and have no clue how to break his 4 expos and i barley lose in the end.
btw kiante after puppy thrashes you, you might want to practice your PvZ.
really dude? you're going to call that on those games?
game 1: underestimated you because of your shitty ling control and didn't focus enough in the midgame
game 2: you HARD COUNTERED MY 1 BASE PLAY then proceeded to lose because i out-micro'd and outplayed you hard.
game 3: my build is in NO WAY ALLIN. Seriously, its not, its a timing attack. The only reason that game went on past the 7 minute mark is because i was just waiting for you to gg instead of scouting your fourth, then had to play catchup the whole game. Rofl. Dude, you got beat. At least accept it like a man. Gosh
On October 23 2011 15:10 Lumire wrote: lol kiante the difference is your not bisu ^_^ btw puppy didn't actually really talk shit beforehand, just said ur bad over skype when he was streaming. Oh well atleast ur ego will cause u to be publicly humiliated.
yes he did. i played him twice. i tried to give advice, he rejected it and called it stupid, when in fact it was solid advice and i was just trying to be helpful. If anyone is getting publicly humiliated here its the BM idiot, not me.
ps: 2-1
Okay since u keep talking about this fucking 2-1, those were the fucking dumbest games ive played in my entire life... it basically went.
Game 1: standard ZvP, 6 hat fast hive etc etc kiante tries to break me on 3 base before hive, fails, and gets raped.
Game 2: 1 base toss which i have 0 clue on how to react, might have been even after the opening but im so thrown off it dosent matter (was still reallllly close though).
Game 3: speedlot allin which kills all the drones at my nat and my 3rd hat + all the drones there + my hydra den. This really wierd ling vs zealot thing that lasts for like 3 min goes on before i can finnaly secure my 3rd again. I manage to get hive up and go ultras and kiante's army gets thrashed like 4 times in a row but since i never go ultra/ling/defiler and have no clue how to break his 4 expos and i barley lose in the end.
btw kiante after puppy thrashes you, you might want to practice your PvZ.
ps: Your time is up.
GRUDGEMATCH AFTER GRUDGEMATCH GOGO?!
Anyways, I can provide a stream and cast, although occasionally sound fucks up on my stream, cause my comp sucks.
But there's still like 20 people who want to cast(which incidentally is like probably everyone who wants to watch), so we gotta figure this out.
On October 23 2011 16:24 Kiante wrote: hahahahahaha
really dude? you're going to call that on those games?
game 1: underestimated you because of your shitty ling control and didn't focus enough in the midgame
Hey remember that time you managed to beat me back when you were a 40% D level scrub and I told you I was basically afk half the game because of it....
On October 23 2011 15:10 Lumire wrote: lol kiante the difference is your not bisu ^_^ btw puppy didn't actually really talk shit beforehand, just said ur bad over skype when he was streaming. Oh well atleast ur ego will cause u to be publicly humiliated.
yes he did. i played him twice. i tried to give advice, he rejected it and called it stupid, when in fact it was solid advice and i was just trying to be helpful. If anyone is getting publicly humiliated here its the BM idiot, not me.
ps: 2-1
Okay since u keep talking about this fucking 2-1, those were the fucking dumbest games ive played in my entire life... it basically went.
Game 1: standard ZvP, 6 hat fast hive etc etc kiante tries to break me on 3 base before hive, fails, and gets raped.
Game 2: 1 base toss which i have 0 clue on how to react, might have been even after the opening but im so thrown off it dosent matter (was still reallllly close though).
Game 3: speedlot allin which kills all the drones at my nat and my 3rd hat + all the drones there + my hydra den. This really wierd ling vs zealot thing that lasts for like 3 min goes on before i can finnaly secure my 3rd again. I manage to get hive up and go ultras and kiante's army gets thrashed like 4 times in a row but since i never go ultra/ling/defiler and have no clue how to break his 4 expos and i barley lose in the end.
btw kiante after puppy thrashes you, you might want to practice your PvZ.
ps: Your time is up.
GRUDGEMATCH AFTER GRUDGEMATCH GOGO?!
Anyways, I can provide a stream and cast, although occasionally sound fucks up on my stream, cause my comp sucks.
But there's still like 20 people who want to cast(which incidentally is like probably everyone who wants to watch), so we gotta figure this out.
On October 23 2011 16:24 Kiante wrote: hahahahahaha
really dude? you're going to call that on those games?
game 1: underestimated you because of your shitty ling control and didn't focus enough in the midgame
Hey remember that time you managed to beat me back when you were a 40% D level scrub and I told you I was basically afk half the game because of it....
Yeah you can't use that excuse.
we played twice. i won twice. one loss is fine. 2? no.
On October 23 2011 16:24 Kiante wrote: hahahahahaha
really dude? you're going to call that on those games?
game 1: underestimated you because of your shitty ling control and didn't focus enough in the midgame
Hey remember that time you managed to beat me back when you were a 40% D level scrub and I told you I was basically afk half the game because of it....
Yeah you can't use that excuse.
we played twice. i won twice. one loss is fine. 2? no.
>Implying I tried any harder in the second game.
Also I hope this whole "PUPPYKILLER IS SUCH A BITCH" thing is an act, otherwise it seems like you have some anger issues. Or maybe you're bad at trollin.
Either way go puppykiller I like me some Aussie rage.
On October 23 2011 16:24 Kiante wrote: hahahahahaha
really dude? you're going to call that on those games?
game 1: underestimated you because of your shitty ling control and didn't focus enough in the midgame
Hey remember that time you managed to beat me back when you were a 40% D level scrub and I told you I was basically afk half the game because of it....
Yeah you can't use that excuse.
we played twice. i won twice. one loss is fine. 2? no.
>Implying I tried any harder in the second game.
Also I hope this whole "PUPPYKILLER IS SUCH A BITCH" thing is an act, otherwise it seems like you have some anger issues. Or maybe you're bad at trollin.
Either way go puppykiller I like me some Aussie rage.
Its your own fault for not trying if you'd already lost. If thats how you play BW then thats your skill level, not trying. as a result you lost. 2-0. Why cant i be angry? its not a fucking power puff girls match, its a grudge match, i have a grudge and i'm here to express it
On October 23 2011 15:35 Hyde wrote: 2) 0 Post count + worker icon for a month 3) Stream name changed to Winner's username's Bitch for a month (or something similar, what ever the winner decides and the admins can input. They probably won't allow any profanity) 4) Location changed to what ever the winner desires.
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think we only do shit like that for people we actually care about
Funny how everyone Kiante has beaten in a BoX shows up here to talking trash and making excuses. If you ask me it's bullshit, plain and simple.
When you play against someone you insulted, BMed, called a bad player, etc. you do not want to lose. You just don't. That is why, no matter how much better you think you are, you are not going to play sloppily, half-heartedly, "not even trying", or whatever else excuses you could make up for losing a game. You want to win, because you have words to back up.
In my mind there's no doubt that Kiante's wins vs puppy were perfectly legit. There's no indication to think otherwise. Especially when you lose the first game of a series you're definitely gonna give it your all in the next game.
That being said I expect Kiante to take this in convincing fashion.
Isn't Kiante the guy who lost once against TLO in SC2BW? Because he didn't know how to play Zerg? If you want my vote, then persuade me why I should vote for you.
I love watching BW, so I'd probably stay tuned for this. Based on what I've seen I'd go for Kiante. Unless Puppy does some well-prepared build to "snipe" Kiante.
On October 23 2011 15:35 Hyde wrote: 2) 0 Post count + worker icon for a month 3) Stream name changed to Winner's username's Bitch for a month (or something similar, what ever the winner decides and the admins can input. They probably won't allow any profanity) 4) Location changed to what ever the winner desires.
think we only do shit like that for people we actually care about
Booooooo! guess we'll just have to stick with an public apology and humiliation... That's a real shame considering this is a real grudge match, unlike some others....
On October 23 2011 19:58 blubbdavid wrote: If you want my vote, then persuade me why I should vote for you.
This is a grudge match, not an election. I don't think either of them care who you vote for.
On October 23 2011 19:58 blubbdavid wrote: Isn't Kiante the guy who lost once against TLO in SC2BW? Because he didn't know how to play Zerg? If you want my vote, then persuade me why I should vote for you.
Edit: Woot, 518th post!
lets see. my zerg is legitmately bad. like, the only thing i can do with zerg is 9 hatch. tlo raped me but i think it would've been better pvp but hotbid was like NO PVP so i went manner and switched to z
On October 23 2011 19:50 Kiante wrote: Gimmicky shit? uhhhhhh what gimmicky shit. neo bisu pvz? 2 gate expo pvt? 12 nex pvp? wheres the gimmick
1) Going Nexus off 2 Gateways with no Dragoons is a gimmicky build. Do you think its an accident no professionals use it? 2) 2 Gate Expo is also a gimmicky build that professionals don't use since there is no point in getting that many units out prior to expanding. The only exception is if you aren't confident in your play and you are 100% sure your opponent will go bunker CC. 3) You probably don't execute the 12 Nexus correctly. In fact, most professionals get the Nexus at 11 so its pretty apparent you know nothing about this build.
On October 23 2011 19:50 Kiante wrote: Gimmicky shit? uhhhhhh what gimmicky shit. neo bisu pvz? 2 gate expo pvt? 12 nex pvp? wheres the gimmick
1) Going Nexus off 2 Gateways with no Dragoons is a gimmicky build. Do you think its an accident no professionals use it? 2) 2 Gate Expo is also a gimmicky build that professionals don't use since there is no point in getting that many units out prior to expanding. The only exception is if you aren't confident in your play and you are 100% sure your opponent will go bunker CC. 3) You probably don't execute the 12 Nexus correctly. In fact, most professionals get the Nexus at 11 so its pretty apparent you know nothing about this build.
On October 23 2011 19:50 Kiante wrote: Gimmicky shit? uhhhhhh what gimmicky shit. neo bisu pvz? 2 gate expo pvt? 12 nex pvp? wheres the gimmick
1) Going Nexus off 2 Gateways with no Dragoons is a gimmicky build. Do you think its an accident no professionals use it? 2) 2 Gate Expo is also a gimmicky build that professionals don't use since there is no point in getting that many units out prior to expanding. The only exception is if you aren't confident in your play and you are 100% sure your opponent will go bunker CC. 3) You probably don't execute the 12 Nexus correctly. In fact, most professionals get the Nexus at 11 so its pretty apparent you know nothing about this build.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. You also completely ignored his post by saying he's wrong and just saying "no professionals use it".
All I need to find is one counterexample and your argument is invalid. But then again, I'm just going to say you're invalid because I don't think I need examples to prove that you're just being a jerk.
On October 23 2011 19:50 Kiante wrote: Gimmicky shit? uhhhhhh what gimmicky shit. neo bisu pvz? 2 gate expo pvt? 12 nex pvp? wheres the gimmick
1) Going Nexus off 2 Gateways with no Dragoons is a gimmicky build. Do you think its an accident no professionals use it? 2) 2 Gate Expo is also a gimmicky build that professionals don't use since there is no point in getting that many units out prior to expanding. The only exception is if you aren't confident in your play and you are 100% sure your opponent will go bunker CC. 3) You probably don't execute the 12 Nexus correctly. In fact, most professionals get the Nexus at 11 so its pretty apparent you know nothing about this build.
hahahah
ok ok
1) bisu used it. sooooooooooooo yeah. so did a bunch of other rookies in PL. obviously you have no idea how the build works. Theres nothing gimmicky about it, it holds 2fac and fd with proper micro while getting a faster nexus than a 1 gate expo off 3 goons. dies to BBS but you scout for that, so yeah.
2) i dont 2 gate expo with goons, sayle does, got me mixed up bro. I go 1 gate 3 goon expo quite often with a zealot after core to get scouting info and defend bbs. lawl
3) go read the guide brother. talkin about 12 nex pvp not pvt you idiot. I never, ever 12 nex pvt, and most pros go 12 nex, jangbi went 11 nex once to counter flash specifically. No pro's go 12 nex pvp but it works perfectly fine at my skill level and i trust in OneOthers build creating abilities. I find it my most solid pvp in fact, with the highest winrate even if people expect it.
For example, when i play vs fold 2 gate reaver vs 2 gate reaver we probably would go 50/50 or maybe even him ahead. When i 12 nex i'm like 5-0 vs him. Sorry to fold for singling him out but its a good example.
So yeah, hows about you stop talking shit out of your ass before you embarrass yourself
On October 23 2011 19:50 Kiante wrote: Gimmicky shit? uhhhhhh what gimmicky shit. neo bisu pvz? 2 gate expo pvt? 12 nex pvp? wheres the gimmick
1) Going Nexus off 2 Gateways with no Dragoons is a gimmicky build. Do you think its an accident no professionals use it? 2) 2 Gate Expo is also a gimmicky build that professionals don't use since there is no point in getting that many units out prior to expanding. The only exception is if you aren't confident in your play and you are 100% sure your opponent will go bunker CC. 3) You probably don't execute the 12 Nexus correctly. In fact, most professionals get the Nexus at 11 so its pretty apparent you know nothing about this build.
hahahah
ok ok
1) bisu used it. sooooooooooooo yeah. so did a bunch of other rookies in PL. obviously you have no idea how the build works. Theres nothing gimmicky about it, it holds 2fac and fd with proper micro while getting a faster nexus than a 1 gate expo off 3 goons. dies to BBS but you scout for that, so yeah.
2) i dont 2 gate expo with goons, sayle does, got me mixed up bro. I go 1 gate 3 goon expo quite often with a zealot after core to get scouting info and defend bbs. lawl
3) go read the guide brother. talkin about 12 nex pvp not pvt you idiot. I never, ever 12 nex pvt, and most pros go 12 nex, jangbi went 11 nex once to counter flash specifically. No pro's go 12 nex pvp but it works perfectly fine at my skill level and i trust in OneOthers build creating abilities. I find it my most solid pvp in fact, with the highest winrate even if people expect it.
For example, when i play vs fold 2 gate reaver vs 2 gate reaver we probably would go 50/50 or maybe even him ahead. When i 12 nex i'm like 5-0 vs him. Sorry to fold for singling him out but its a good example.
So yeah, hows about you stop talking shit out of your ass before you embarrass yourself
oh wait, too late..
lol.
Bisu used it one time and professional now open with 1 Dragoon and a Nexus on 21 Supply then they follow up with a second Gateway. Sure the opening may work (Holding you don't get mannered by an ebay) but its not the most effective build and it is gimmicky. Just because I can argue I've seen a proxy Zealot build used vs By.Sun before in a professional game in PvP doesn't mean its not a gimmicky build.
You claimed to go 2 Gate Goons and were suggesting its not a gimmicky opening.
12 Nexus PvP is a pretty useless build, also following up with 2 Gateways is incorrect. Both Perfectman and Free have shown the build in professional matches and both players followed up with Cannons and 1 Gateway into tech. I'd explain why going tech rather than 2 Gate Zealots is more effective but I really don't see any point in assisting you in developing your play. If you want a hint, refer to Perfectman going for an unscouted 2 Gate Zealot opening on the map Aztec and choosing to go for Dragoon tech rather than harassing with his Zealots on the map Aztec. The solution has to do with scouting information and army composition. Moreover, I can provide you with 13 examples from the 2010-2011 Proleague season in which the Observers actually show 11 Probes and then a Nexus in PvT. This is discounting all the games where Observers don't show the Probe count prior to the Nexus being built (Which is a majority of games). Therefore your argument regarding only Jangbi using the build because of a specific circumstance is frivolous.
Rofl, you're still an idiot. Just because best goes 1 goon nexus doesn't mean my little C+ ass should do it. The build works fine for me, has been used on more than one occasion and isn't gimmicky as you say
i never claimed to go 2 gate goon, i said 2 gate in reference to 2 gate no goon fe.
as for 12 nex pvp, show me a rep of a C rank player winning without going 2 gate zealot and i'd be happy to agree. Just because you can wank off to pro reps doesn't make them valid at all to my circumstances. As for 11 nex, great, i'd love to see those vods. gogo
On October 23 2011 23:45 Kiante wrote: Rofl, you're still an idiot. Just because best goes 1 goon nexus doesn't mean my little C+ ass should do it. The build works fine for me, has been used on more than one occasion and isn't gimmicky as you say
i never claimed to go 2 gate goon, i said 2 gate in reference to 2 gate no goon fe.
as for 12 nex pvp, show me a rep of a C rank player winning without going 2 gate zealot and i'd be happy to agree. Just because you can wank off to pro reps doesn't make them valid at all to my circumstances. As for 11 nex, great, i'd love to see those vods. gogo
Kiante, in all honesty, you got to C+ while playing alot of people that are ranked lower than you (C-), so I don't think it is fair for you to say you're really C+; I'd rather you mention your fish rank instead since you don't even play on ICCUP now.
Also, as for 12 nexus 2 gate zealot being good, Sayle has encountered that before. Fast 2-3 gate dragoons skipping a zealot completely raped him. Sayle didnt even get a complete scout of his opponent's base before losing his 5 zealots. That's pretty bad, considering a counter attack would be most likely game ending at that point. I think that's why pros opt for faster cannons and faster tech, in anticipation of a goon heavy-tech slow bust.
On October 23 2011 12:41 sluggaslamoo wrote: omg pjwhwaiting is kiante??? Hes been on my friend list for so long not knowing who the hell he was lol.
No. Pjyhwaiting is Fold.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT THE MYSTERY IS REVEALED
Or was it only a mystery because I made it so, either way its nice to know.
LOL how are you unbanned yet AGAIN ahahahahaha
Well when someone gets temp banned for a set period of time, as the earth continues to revolve around the sun and the days go buy, one will eventually get unbanned, its quite simple really.
On October 23 2011 19:50 Kiante wrote: Gimmicky shit? uhhhhhh what gimmicky shit. neo bisu pvz? 2 gate expo pvt? 12 nex pvp? wheres the gimmick
1) Going Nexus off 2 Gateways with no Dragoons is a gimmicky build. Do you think its an accident no professionals use it? 2) 2 Gate Expo is also a gimmicky build that professionals don't use since there is no point in getting that many units out prior to expanding. The only exception is if you aren't confident in your play and you are 100% sure your opponent will go bunker CC. 3) You probably don't execute the 12 Nexus correctly. In fact, most professionals get the Nexus
3) go read the guide brother. talkin about 12 nex pvp not pvt you idiot. I never, ever 12 nex pvt, and most pros go 12 nex, jangbi went 11 nex once to counter flash specifically. No pro's go 12 nex pvp but it works perfectly fine at my skill level and i trust in OneOthers build creating abilities. I find it my most solid pvp in fact, with the highest winrate even if people expect it.
I always thought you were known for 12nexing every PvT lol
On October 23 2011 23:45 Kiante wrote: Rofl, you're still an idiot. Just because best goes 1 goon nexus doesn't mean my little C+ ass should do it. The build works fine for me, has been used on more than one occasion and isn't gimmicky as you say
i never claimed to go 2 gate goon, i said 2 gate in reference to 2 gate no goon fe.
as for 12 nex pvp, show me a rep of a C rank player winning without going 2 gate zealot and i'd be happy to agree. Just because you can wank off to pro reps doesn't make them valid at all to my circumstances. As for 11 nex, great, i'd love to see those vods. gogo
If you're only C+ on iCCup then maybe you should do more things that professional players do? I think the 1 Goon opening is actually safer than skipping Dragoons and its obviously a stronger opening, as virtually all the professional Protoss players have been using it. Best is just one of the numerous players using it. Professional players test all the known opening extensively and they use whichever openings they find to be the best; making sure to include variation within their strategies from game to game while also taking into consideration tendencies from their opponents and the maps. However, if you think the other opening is better, then go for it.
I don't watch replays of C rank players and I doubt any C rank players study professional games enough to even know about that build. Regarding 11 Nexuses, if I were to supply you with all the VODs the Observers showed it I would have to re watch every game where professionals go 11/12 Nexus and then link you to them. Since you don't seem like a very nice person and you don't even use the opening anyways I don't see the point in me doing this for you.
Since you don't seem like a very nice person and you don't even use the opening anyways I don't see the point in me doing this for you.
As much as I dislike the way Kiante plays, If you argue and say you can provide something, you better do it or just don't argue at all. Now it looks like you pull shit out of your ass.
No offense but Puppykiller does nothing but talk smack and make excuses for his loses, , the only difference is that Kiante is like C / C+ skill while Puppykiller probably struggles to even hit C-, this won't even be close...Anyone who has watched both of these players should know that Kiante will win undefeated. gl hf though...
On October 24 2011 05:56 puppykiller wrote: Hey I think we need to cast these by the replays.. I dont want 6 players lagging the games. And lets play the games on iccup plz.
I could always just download the replays, then on an off day when I don't feel streaming, cast them. It'll be hilarious. I would be laughing a lot.
On October 24 2011 05:56 puppykiller wrote: Hey I think we need to cast these by the replays.. I dont want 6 players lagging the games. And lets play the games on iccup plz.
I don't think masses would appreciate replay casting when it can be done live however.
On October 24 2011 05:56 puppykiller wrote: Hey I think we need to cast these by the replays.. I dont want 6 players lagging the games. And lets play the games on iccup plz.
On October 24 2011 05:56 puppykiller wrote: Hey I think we need to cast these by the replays.. I dont want 6 players lagging the games. And lets play the games on iccup plz.
On October 24 2011 05:56 puppykiller wrote: Hey I think we need to cast these by the replays.. I dont want 6 players lagging the games. And lets play the games on iccup plz.
On October 24 2011 05:56 puppykiller wrote: Hey I think we need to cast these by the replays.. I dont want 6 players lagging the games. And lets play the games on iccup plz.
GOGO KIANTE for making it entertaining as hell with all his trashtalk. I vote SNM cast this... cuz he's a baller and he's really entertaining. SNM+SnipinPanda? :D
Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
a) These will NOT be cast from replays, however there will NOT be 6 casters. Thats fucking retarded. I'll sort the caster thing out when i get home in a bit. But yeah. Just deal with whatever i decide, because theres too much indecision at the moment. replays NOT ACCEPTABLE.
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
c) to people calling for BO9, not gonna happen, this is about my main race, not a dumb bo9 cheese fest. go watch the eywa vs ninazerg vods for examples of terribleness in grudge matches
d) no snm, i hate your casting, its not about your personally, its your voice and how angry you sound, as a result you wont be casting.
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
e) grobyc, no, i dont 12 nex anymore, not on purpose anyways. sometimes if i forget my first pylon i go "fuck it 12 nexing" and i usually die soon after. its a shitty build
f) I got C+ on iccup, that gives me the right to call myself C+. thats how rankings work. You cant take that away from me, regardless of what server i play on now
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
Glad I wasted my 500th post on you.
Still not seeing those vods you promised, making the rest of your text fairly irrelevant because you've already let me down so much. I try to read it but i get so sad that i haven't seen 11 probes make a nexus
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
Glad I wasted my 500th post on you.
He doesn't understand the build you're talking about, and thinks his 2 gate no goon then nexus is superior. Don't bother explaining, he made his mind and does not realize that the number of goons you get at the FD timing is the same......
Edit: and ZnF is even more clueless about the build we're talking about. It'll take you too much effort to explain it.
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
Glad I wasted my 500th post on you.
1. Depends on what type of 2fac
2. 1gate goon doesn't hard counter 2fac
I said the 2 Gateway Nexus Goon build that Bisu used on Alternative and the 1 Goon Nexus build all the professionals have been using since then counter 2 factory pushes. And there is no 2 Factory push that should kill it, otherise it would be used frequently.
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
Glad I wasted my 500th post on you.
1. Depends on what type of 2fac
2. 1gate goon doesn't hard counter 2fac
I said the 2 Gateway Nexus Goon build that Bisu used on Alternative and the 1 Goon Nexus build all the professionals have been using since then counter 2 factory pushes. And there is no 2 Factory push that should kill it, otherise it would be used frequently.
There's a reason why Fantasy beat Jangbi with a 2fac on NBR. People still 2fac (ForGG did a lot of really good 2facs before he retired though he was past his prime).
I don't understand this "doesn't understand the build" statement by the way. Not trying to be confrontational, but I'm under the impression that 2facs kill 1gate goon expo openings.
2facs are still viable. They've always been viable. Yes, it comes down to micro, but the reason why 2fac isn't used very frequently is because it's a bit all-in and a lot of times the Terran just doesn't scout in time. People are more comfortable with macroing up and standard play also. But meh, it's been used a lot.
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
Glad I wasted my 500th post on you.
1. Depends on what type of 2fac
2. 1gate goon doesn't hard counter 2fac
I said the 2 Gateway Nexus Goon build that Bisu used on Alternative and the 1 Goon Nexus build all the professionals have been using since then counter 2 factory pushes. And there is no 2 Factory push that should kill it, otherise it would be used frequently.
There's a reason why Fantasy beat Jangbi with a 2fac on NBR. People still 2fac (ForGG did a lot of really good 2facs before he retired though he was past his prime).
I don't understand this "doesn't understand the build" statement by the way. Not trying to be confrontational, but I'm under the impression that 2facs kill most 1gate goon expo openings.
2facs are still viable. They've always been viable. Yes, it comes down to micro, but the reason why 2fac isn't used very frequently is because it's a bit all-in and a lot of times the Terran just doesn't scout in time. People are more comfortable with macroing up and standard play.
ZnF: This is not your ordinary 1 gate expo. Does that help? I'm not going to bother typing the BO since Kiante thinks his is better, which is fine since it is not a bad build. Also, tryumm, if you're going to talk about the specifics of this i gate expo build, please talk after this match is over. =]
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
Glad I wasted my 500th post on you.
1. Depends on what type of 2fac
2. 1gate goon doesn't hard counter 2fac
I said the 2 Gateway Nexus Goon build that Bisu used on Alternative and the 1 Goon Nexus build all the professionals have been using since then counter 2 factory pushes. And there is no 2 Factory push that should kill it, otherise it would be used frequently.
There's a reason why Fantasy beat Jangbi with a 2fac on NBR. People still 2fac (ForGG did a lot of really good 2facs before he retired though he was past his prime).
I don't understand this "doesn't understand the build" statement by the way. Not trying to be confrontational, but I'm under the impression that 2facs kill most 1gate goon expo openings.
2facs are still viable. They've always been viable. Yes, it comes down to micro, but the reason why 2fac isn't used very frequently is because it's a bit all-in and a lot of times the Terran just doesn't scout in time. People are more comfortable with macroing up and standard play.
ZnF: This is not your ordinary 1 gate expo. Does that help? I'm not going to bother typing the BO since Kiante thinks his is better, which is fine since it is not a bad build. Also, tryumm, if you're going to talk about the specifics of this i gate expo build, please talk after this match is over. =]
Fair enough. Not ordinary 1gate expo. Alright. How many people actually use it on ladders? Is it fairly uncommon or is it really common nowadays?
I'm only asking because I've 2faced occasionally to throw my opponent off and I'm noticing a huge difference in build orders.
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
Glad I wasted my 500th post on you.
1. Depends on what type of 2fac
2. 1gate goon doesn't hard counter 2fac
I said the 2 Gateway Nexus Goon build that Bisu used on Alternative and the 1 Goon Nexus build all the professionals have been using since then counter 2 factory pushes. And there is no 2 Factory push that should kill it, otherise it would be used frequently.
There's a reason why Fantasy beat Jangbi with a 2fac on NBR. People still 2fac (ForGG did a lot of really good 2facs before he retired though he was past his prime).
I don't understand this "doesn't understand the build" statement by the way. Not trying to be confrontational, but I'm under the impression that 2facs kill 1gate goon expo openings.
2facs are still viable. They've always been viable. Yes, it comes down to micro, but the reason why 2fac isn't used very frequently is because it's a bit all-in and a lot of times the Terran just doesn't scout in time. People are more comfortable with macroing up and standard play also. But meh, it's been used a lot.
Jangbi didn't even use the build I was referring to. He used the old 3 Goon Expansion opening that's been around for ages.
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
Glad I wasted my 500th post on you.
1. Depends on what type of 2fac
2. 1gate goon doesn't hard counter 2fac
I said the 2 Gateway Nexus Goon build that Bisu used on Alternative and the 1 Goon Nexus build all the professionals have been using since then counter 2 factory pushes. And there is no 2 Factory push that should kill it, otherise it would be used frequently.
There's a reason why Fantasy beat Jangbi with a 2fac on NBR. People still 2fac (ForGG did a lot of really good 2facs before he retired though he was past his prime).
I don't understand this "doesn't understand the build" statement by the way. Not trying to be confrontational, but I'm under the impression that 2facs kill most 1gate goon expo openings.
2facs are still viable. They've always been viable. Yes, it comes down to micro, but the reason why 2fac isn't used very frequently is because it's a bit all-in and a lot of times the Terran just doesn't scout in time. People are more comfortable with macroing up and standard play.
ZnF: This is not your ordinary 1 gate expo. Does that help? I'm not going to bother typing the BO since Kiante thinks his is better, which is fine since it is not a bad build. Also, tryumm, if you're going to talk about the specifics of this i gate expo build, please talk after this match is over. =]
Fair enough. Not ordinary 1gate expo. Alright. How many people actually use it on ladders? Is it fairly uncommon or is it really common nowadays?
I'm only asking because I've 2faced occasionally to throw my opponent off and I'm noticing a huge difference in build orders.
Well, I don't think many Protoss below the level of B- use it, mainly because they don't know about it. This build stops 2 fac just like Kiante's; you'll just have to believe me on this one. lol
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
Glad I wasted my 500th post on you.
1. Depends on what type of 2fac
2. 1gate goon doesn't hard counter 2fac
I said the 2 Gateway Nexus Goon build that Bisu used on Alternative and the 1 Goon Nexus build all the professionals have been using since then counter 2 factory pushes. And there is no 2 Factory push that should kill it, otherise it would be used frequently.
There's a reason why Fantasy beat Jangbi with a 2fac on NBR. People still 2fac (ForGG did a lot of really good 2facs before he retired though he was past his prime).
I don't understand this "doesn't understand the build" statement by the way. Not trying to be confrontational, but I'm under the impression that 2facs kill most 1gate goon expo openings.
2facs are still viable. They've always been viable. Yes, it comes down to micro, but the reason why 2fac isn't used very frequently is because it's a bit all-in and a lot of times the Terran just doesn't scout in time. People are more comfortable with macroing up and standard play.
ZnF: This is not your ordinary 1 gate expo. Does that help? I'm not going to bother typing the BO since Kiante thinks his is better, which is fine since it is not a bad build. Also, tryumm, if you're going to talk about the specifics of this i gate expo build, please talk after this match is over. =]
Fair enough. Not ordinary 1gate expo. Alright. How many people actually use it on ladders? Is it fairly uncommon or is it really common nowadays?
I'm only asking because I've 2faced occasionally to throw my opponent off and I'm noticing a huge difference in build orders.
Well, I don't think many Protoss below the level of B- use it, mainly because they don't know about it. This build stops 2 fac just like Kiante's; you'll just have to believe me on this one. lol
I'll take your word for it. It'd be nice to know what it was though, just in case I scout and I had a plan in mind for a 2fac.
Maybe I'll ask some other time. Don't feel pressured at all to give me something. I'm sure you don't feel any pressure but just in case.
why does Kiante get to make all of theses calls lol.
I wanna have reps be cast cause i don't wanna be accused of cheating. I also don't want to risk Kiante cheating... I know how bad he doesn't wanna lose this so I would like to take every precaution.
As for mass casters... we dont have anyone experienced enough who can cast at Sayle level. So i think the only way to make up for this is to have mass casters. I dont want to choose some random 2 people that won't be as good as sayle.
On October 24 2011 10:14 puppykiller wrote: why does Kiante get to make all of theses calls lol.
I wanna have reps be cast cause i don't wanna be accused of cheating. I also don't want to risk Kiante cheating... I know how bad he doesn't wanna lose this so I would like to take every precaution.
As for mass casters... we dont have anyone experienced enough who can cast at Sayle level. So i think the only way to make up for this is to have mass casters. I dont want to choose some random 2 people that won't be as good as sayle.
Dude, I know both you and Kiante well enough that neither of you are going to cheat -_-"""
I was joking about the mass casting thing, random shouting by 6 people will never go well, but it might turn out like that anyways!
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
Glad I wasted my 500th post on you.
best has 2 goons as the FD push moves out. also loses the game because of super late obs. not the build for me sorry.
Ahh finally did my final year project presentation and have returned to the world of the living. And there is an awesome grudge match in an hour. Fate has smiled down upon me :D
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
best has 2 goons as the FD push moves out. also loses the game because of super late obs. not the build for me sorry.
So Kiante since you're so good with your build, can you tell us how many goons you think you'll have at this point when FD pushes out using your build?
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
best has 2 goons as the FD push moves out. also loses the game because of super late obs. not the build for me sorry.
So Kiante since you're so good with your build, can you tell us how many goons you think you'll have at this point when FD pushes out using your build?
i'm not "so good" i'm a regular user. i have 2 goons at his choke with 2 popping out of my gates already at my nat
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
best has 2 goons as the FD push moves out. also loses the game because of super late obs. not the build for me sorry.
So Kiante since you're so good with your build, can you tell us how many goons you think you'll have at this point when FD pushes out using your build?
i'm not "so good" i'm a regular user. i have 2 goons at his choke with 2 popping out of my gates already at my nat
Right, and...the timing at which Best's dragoon pops out is alot later than yours? It doesn't feel like it. I believe they're about the same timing to be honest. You will have 4 goons by the time FD reaches half way to your base, with both builds.
no, i have 2 extra goons in my nat as the fd comes out of his bridge on FS. Best had 2 goons in his nat when the FD was halfway to his base. He had no way to really deal with it properly, and he lost the game even tho flash had 2 tanks stuck on a geyser for half an hour. Looks like a build that would be extremely hard to pull off(like something a progamer could do) to stop a 2 fac or fd, and thats added stress i dont want
Damn..... I'm going to miss the first game, gotta head out for a burger before the place closes down. Good old all nighters before the day of an exam, but this is going to be more than a good break from studying. ^_^
On October 24 2011 09:40 Kiante wrote: Oke doke, skimmed the last few pages, here are my thoughts:
b) to the know it all dude who said he could provide examples then pussied out, lol at you. If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that lots of pro builds are applicable at my level. Why you say? at pro level 9/10 pvt's are 1 rax expo (yes i made that figure up, please, go find 30 games to disprove me and provide vods lol) and at my level 9/10 games are 2 fac or fd. if *I* go 1 goon nexus, i die to both those builds. why? because my micro sucks balls. As a result i use a build that allows me to get more goons in time for those pushes, while skipping goons early on. Is it gimmicky? no. are you an idiot still? yes
good to see we have someone taking control here (me) now i'm off to do some uni shit and i'll be back later in time for my 3-0
I don't think I know everything, in fact I openly admit I don't know very much about the game.
Now, in time if you wish I can address your concerns about the VODS of 11 Nexus in PvT primarily on smaller maps. However, I'm not going to do that in the near future since its not that important and I don't feel like spending that much time on something unproductive.
Also, you won't die to an FD with the 1 Goon Expansion opening. You will have 4 Dragoons out just like with the 2 Gate Nexus Goon opening. The same holds true for a 2 Factory push. In fact, both openings hard counters a 2 Factory push. And if your micro management isn't good enough to hold an FD with 4 Dragoons, then you should practice it until your micro is good enough. You will not improve very rapidly if you never step outside of your comfort zone. At some point in their careers, every pro gamer had to step outside of their comfort zone so they could cut corners in games and have just enough units out to hold a push.
two goons take down 1 rine. tank out for puppykiller, seige being researched. Kiante lays down robo. puppykiller SCV gets in for scout in kiantes base.
Kiante opting for a really fast third. Has 4 gateways and observer out to puppykiller's base. puppykiller is going for 3 fact push. 4 tanks, 4 vults, 3 marines, and some SCV.
Puppykiller reportedly said that he's playing with thumbpad since he threw mouse against the wall. Kiante raging due to puppykiller blindly pushing in last game. Gate on 10
Kiante makes Robo facility. puppykiller lags. Kiante- "lag more" puppykiller has too much on gas! machine shope made. rines being made. CC at natural before any fact units.
SCVs are coming out of the refinery, butt bumping the cc without giving the gas, goes back to the depot and high fives it then goes back to the cc and gives the gas.
On October 24 2011 13:28 Kiante wrote: I apologise to my fans for losing 2 games to this moron. I can only say that i hope to show better games in the future
\o/ <--- disappointed fan raises his hands in protest
On October 24 2011 13:28 Kiante wrote: I apologise to my fans for losing 2 games to this moron. I can only say that i hope to show better games in the future
On October 24 2011 13:28 Kiante wrote: I apologise to my fans for losing 2 games to this moron. I can only say that i hope to show better games in the future
You made that closer than I liked. But congrats yo
Thanks to Snipinpanda and 1000005 for casting and NationInArms for the (somewhat bias lol) LR
On October 24 2011 13:28 Kiante wrote: I apologise to my fans for losing 2 games to this moron. I can only say that i hope to show better games in the future
You made that closer than I liked. But congrats yo
Thanks to Snipinpanda and 1000005 for casting and NationInArms for the (somewhat bias lol) LR
On October 24 2011 13:28 Kiante wrote: I apologise to my fans for losing 2 games to this moron. I can only say that i hope to show better games in the future
On October 24 2011 13:28 Kiante wrote: I apologise to my fans for losing 2 games to this moron. I can only say that i hope to show better games in the future
You made that closer than I liked. But congrats yo
Thanks to Snipinpanda and 1000005 for casting and NationInArms for the (somewhat bias lol) LR
They were fine games though...maybe.
I agree, I had fun watching it. This event was very enjoyable.
On October 24 2011 13:32 Taekwon wrote: I ask - "y no stove"
Hey guys. We all try to be manner in our matches. We need to have respect for our fellow man. Kiante knows nothing but respect. Greatest manner player ever imo
On October 24 2011 13:32 Taekwon wrote: I ask - "y no stove"
Hey guys. We all try to be manner in our matches. We need to have respect for our fellow man. Kiante knows nothing but respect. Greatest manner player ever imo
On October 24 2011 13:28 Kiante wrote: I apologise to my fans for losing 2 games to this moron. I can only say that i hope to show better games in the future
"fans"
On October 24 2011 13:57 Snipinpanda wrote: man puppykiller and his 3 days of training of timing pushes lol
I hope my casting/streaming was alright/tolerable and you guys enjoyed it!
But I hear something about SNM/Nanashin bashing me and kevin? Do we need to go grudge match them?
On October 24 2011 14:06 entocheets wrote: You were actually leading the score (up by like, 5 points) until you made disparaging remarks on Terran steel. Dat Terran bias
On October 24 2011 14:06 entocheets wrote: You were actually leading the score (up by like, 5 points) until you made disparaging remarks on Terran steel. Dat Terran bias
I don't even know what that means.
On October 24 2011 13:26 entocheets wrote: This is the only score that matters tonight:
On October 24 2011 14:04 1004 wrote: Hope you guys enjoyed the stream.
SNM and nanashin, I'm calling you guys out right now. Go make a blog if you wish to proceed.
I don't even know who you are, go show your face on stream then start talking
On October 24 2011 13:57 Snipinpanda wrote: man puppykiller and his 3 days of training of timing pushes lol
I hope my casting/streaming was alright/tolerable and you guys enjoyed it!
But I hear something about SNM/Nanashin bashing me and kevin? Do we need to go grudge match them?
Err.... someone directed them to my stream, I told them 'if you're at panda's stream stay there... don't try to migrate people here because he's my irl friend'
But me hating your voice. That's just personal preference. Just like Kiante hating my voice. And my playstyle. And SNM as general.
On October 24 2011 14:06 entocheets wrote: You were actually leading the score (up by like, 5 points) until you made disparaging remarks on Terran steel. Dat Terran bias
I don't even know what that means.
On October 24 2011 13:26 entocheets wrote: This is the only score that matters tonight:
On October 24 2011 13:57 Snipinpanda wrote: man puppykiller and his 3 days of training of timing pushes lol
I hope my casting/streaming was alright/tolerable and you guys enjoyed it!
But I hear something about SNM/Nanashin bashing me and kevin? Do we need to go grudge match them?
Err.... someone directed them to my stream, I told them 'if you're at panda's stream stay there... don't try to migrate people here because he's my irl friend'
But me hating your voice. That's just personal preference. Just like Kiante hating my voice. And my playstyle. And SNM as general.
Oh well in that case, I don't really care. Maybe if I feel really angry down the line, but OS lol.
On October 24 2011 13:57 Snipinpanda wrote: man puppykiller and his 3 days of training of timing pushes lol
I hope my casting/streaming was alright/tolerable and you guys enjoyed it!
But I hear something about SNM/Nanashin bashing me and kevin? Do we need to go grudge match them?
Err.... someone directed them to my stream, I told them 'if you're at panda's stream stay there... don't try to migrate people here because he's my irl friend'
But me hating your voice. That's just personal preference. Just like Kiante hating my voice. And my playstyle. And SNM as general.
I don't have a webcam to show you my face, sorry you don't get any eyecandy.
I feel pretty satisfied, I am really looking forward to the spoils of victory, probably just going to be a letter but thats alright. I feel pretty good, I felt I was going to lose and I was feeling down after I lost that retarded game on Faoi.
How do you feel about losing 2 games to puppykiller?
It was pretty bad, considering he is such a trash player, I shouldn't have lost, It should have been scouts but I was playing super safe. I think my normal style would have just won. I think what he did was make specific builds designed to counter my playstyle. That is what happened in the first game, when I dropped the 4gate before expansion but cut units. I expected him to scan and not do a gay allin(which he did anyway), he didn't even go academy. I feel honored that he was so sure that he couldn't beat me straight up so he had to allin like a noob.
Puppy basically did a couple blind timing-pushes , I am sure you realized this after game 2 or 3.
After game 3 I was like, I know how to beat him now, and I think I showed that convincingly on that game on tau cross, I knew the vultures were coming in at the end but it didn't really matter because his base was fucked.
Question: Why no scouts?or like stove?
I was making scouts in the last game, I had 4 stargates spread over each base, and I was planning it, because normally when you play a regular person who has a brain they dont 8fac 2base every game(wtf lol?) I didn't have time to make scouts because he didn't expand, I blame puppy for playing like a fucking noob which is why I was unable to get scouts.
The only real protoss counter to 2base is making units, if I made scouts and lost to that retard they'd go on the forums and I would get all kinds of shit. I apoligize, I had a few builds prepared which included scouts, but when my observers reached his base and I saw 7 factories I couldn't do it.
Question everyone is wondering about:,What the fuck happened in game 3?
I honestly assumed that he had an expansion, I didn't have an obs in his base so I didn't see the 8 factories, I was figuring he is pushing out to get a third CC out so I just engaged him and then I saw he had a huge amount of units and just died. I thought he was still on 6 facs so I was still on 6 gates, but it was actually just a giant fucking allin.
Why no Katrina or Central Plains(protoss plains)?
That makes a lot of sense I coudln't think of a map to pick, I didn't know what to play, I had it all mapped out but after I got allinned by a noob twice I just looked through the list and I saw Tau Cross so I was like alright, I was going to 10/15 again but he scouted me so I didnt.
Comment on the 10/15 on Longinus
it was fucked up, I had an extra probe, so I tried to suicide my probe in his mineral line and it killed an scv, I wanted the probe to die and he does 60 dmg and killed an scv, it was so dumb. That was the reason my 10/15 was late, my probe didn't get killed.
Where would you send puppy if you could get his location changed?
I didn't think of it much, Arb already has noobville so I think he could go into the neighbourhing hood called scrubville. calling a noob is just mean to people who are new to the game, scrub is much more accurate, people who used to think he was good but he was actually terrible.
How do you feel about puppy aspiring to be like Fantasy, an SKT player.
I feel like its he was practicing at the end, everyone can aspire to be like Fantasy. The guy who sits in his game after like he lost 8 pushes and is basically mined out. In his mind he(puppy) is already there, he has the presence of mind for it. He is halfway there, maybe he can apply to SKT.
If you had lost that 5th game, what would happen?
I would have closed Brood War and shaking for a while, mixed with a wtf just happened feeling. Then I'd get up leave my computer and go and buy ciggarettes which I haven't smoked in ages and I'd smoke a cigarette because I'd be so fucking pissed off, but it wasn't somthing I was really thinking about.
Eunjung or Jiyeon?
Eunjung (T/N fck this shit)
Question from puppy: How sweaty did my balls fell when they fell on your eyes?
I am pretty sure mine were and its actually quite sweaty because its very hot here in Australia
Final words
Thanks to all my fans and I hope next time I can show better games.
On October 24 2011 14:04 1004 wrote: Hope you guys enjoyed the stream.
SNM and nanashin, I'm calling you guys out right now. Go make a blog if you wish to proceed.
I don't even know who you are, go show your face on stream then start talking
On October 24 2011 13:57 Snipinpanda wrote: man puppykiller and his 3 days of training of timing pushes lol
I hope my casting/streaming was alright/tolerable and you guys enjoyed it!
But I hear something about SNM/Nanashin bashing me and kevin? Do we need to go grudge match them?
Err.... someone directed them to my stream, I told them 'if you're at panda's stream stay there... don't try to migrate people here because he's my irl friend'
But me hating your voice. That's just personal preference. Just like Kiante hating my voice. And my playstyle. And SNM as general.
I don't have a webcam to show you my face, sorry you don't get any eyecandy.
Unless you don't go to CMU I probably saw you once anyways.
This was so awesome, pre drama and post drama included. Also, wow Kipsate, that was a really fast translation, be aware of fomos trying to steal it :D (good job everyone, i think i speak for the majority when i say that this grudgematch was very entertaining).
On October 24 2011 20:19 XsebT wrote: So, I just watched the VOD... Kiante, how you even lost one game to puppy is beyond me. Those games were so fucking bad.
On October 24 2011 20:19 XsebT wrote: So, I just watched the VOD... Kiante, how you even lost one game to puppy is beyond me. Those games were so fucking bad.
harder than it looks
I agree. I mean, the grudgematch puts pressure on the person who's favored pretty badly.
I loved how puppy 8 facted against a two basing toss and wanted us to believe he reacted upon scouting. LOL. The game quality was pretty good considering the players and the stress from the grudge. Oh and the cast was pretty good, thanks !
On October 24 2011 23:26 MiraKul wrote: SOrry im a newb, what's a 10/15?
You make a gate on 10, you make a cyber core, then a gate on 15. Then you make goons and terran magically loses on certain maps. I'm totally not being biased or speaking from experience here(It is true that the build is ungodly strong on certain maps though, and if you're not a pro it's ridiculous).
Man, the gas mining from puppy's main in g3 still has me cracking up. Somehow puppy, you still manage to screw up gas mining, even in a non TvZ.
On October 24 2011 23:26 MiraKul wrote: SOrry im a newb, what's a 10/15?
You make a gate on 10, you make a cyber core, then a gate on 15. Then you make goons and terran magically loses on certain maps. I'm totally not being biased or speaking from experience here(It is true that the build is ungodly strong on certain maps though, and if you're not a pro it's ridiculous).
Man, the gas mining from puppy's main in g3 still has me cracking up. Somehow puppy, you still manage to screw up gas mining, even in a non TvZ.
in my case it was 8 pylon, 10 gate, 12 gas, 13 core, 14 pylon, cancel pylon, 15 gate, 15 probe, 16 range, 16 wait for probe to die, 15 goon
On October 24 2011 21:07 puppykiller wrote: lol both of uskiantewerewas playing below ourhis normal level and i think that has to be obvious
fixd
i think its funny how much shit you talked and still went 3-2
its pretty hilarious imo
3-2 equals a win bro
when jangbi won 3-2 did people demean his OSL title?
Well you were playing against someone who learned a completely new opening in 1.5 days (Puppykiller had no experience with FD openings prior to Saturday afternoon). Puppy also used 2 new builds that he learned over the course of that day and a half. Whereas you used builds you have probably known about for years. Moreover, puppykiller didn't follow up correctly with any of his builds because of that lack of experience. If he did expand during his pushes (and slowed down on his pushes a bit), he would have won 4-0 against you, with the game on Tau Cross being even when he took his third expansion. So I don't know why you're bragging or acting like you're a far superior player. In fact, you would have lost the series 3-1 even without his followups being executed at a sub par level if he just remembered to put SCV's back on gas when he scouted you and therefore could have afforded his Siege Mode on time for your cheesy 10/15 build. He would have been at a huge advantage and most likely won the game.
Jangbi, on the other hand, played against players who adequately practiced their builds on each map. He also played against players who used more than 2 different openings. So no, you're win isn't the same at all.
On October 24 2011 21:07 puppykiller wrote: lol both of uskiantewerewas playing below ourhis normal level and i think that has to be obvious
fixd
i think its funny how much shit you talked and still went 3-2
its pretty hilarious imo
3-2 equals a win bro
when jangbi won 3-2 did people demean his OSL title?
Well you were playing against someone who learned a completely new opening in 1.5 days (Puppykiller had no experience with FD openings prior to Saturday afternoon). Puppy also used 2 new builds that he learned over the course of that day and a half. Whereas you used builds you have probably known about for years. Moreover, puppykiller didn't follow up correctly with any of his builds because of that lack of experience. If he did expand during his pushes (and slowed down on his pushes a bit), he would have won 4-0 against you, with the game on Tau Cross being even when he took his third expansion. So I don't know why you're bragging or acting like you're a far superior player. In fact, you would have lost the series 3-1 even without his followups being executed at a sub par level if he just remembered to put SCV's back on gas when he scouted you and therefore could have afforded his Siege Mode on time for your cheesy 10/15 build. He would have been at a huge advantage and most likely won the game.
Jangbi, on the other hand, played against players who adequately practiced their builds on each map. He also played against players who used more than 2 different openings. So no, you're win isn't the same at all.
hahahahahah
god you're so fucking bitter. He learnt some allins to counter my style. I changed up my style mid-series to something i've pretty much never done in pvt to counter it because it hard countered my 3 base so well (that 3 fac).
We had a series of broodwar.
I won.
I wish bitter idiots would stop trying to put it down because they're puppy fanbois. He talked shit, he got beat. the fact that he won a couple of games doesn't change the fact that he lost the series. From what i heard on the vod he took the preparation a lot more serious than i did too.
lol
tl:dr we had a grudge match. i won. This gives me rights to brag over the opponent i just beat, regardless of the scoreline.
edit: wasted my 3k replying to a troll, dont i feel like an idiot now
edit #2: finally got around to reading everything you wrote in your wall of text. just to be clear, the premise of your argument is: if puppykiller played COMPLETELY FUCKING DIFFERENTLY, he would've won the series.
Yes?
I guess if fantasy had just made an ebay he'd win an OSL. Fuck if only jaedong hadn't 4 pooled flash again he might've won that game in the KA osl s2.
The games happened, how they happened. Speculating on what would've been different if ONE player did something different while excluding what changes the other player could've made is just straight up 100% retarded. and you know that. Ergo, you're trolling me. So, from here on out, i'll stop wasting my time responding to your posts, i just wanted you to know i found you out. Kewl.
On October 24 2011 21:07 puppykiller wrote: lol both of uskiantewerewas playing below ourhis normal level and i think that has to be obvious
fixd
i think its funny how much shit you talked and still went 3-2
its pretty hilarious imo
3-2 equals a win bro
when jangbi won 3-2 did people demean his OSL title?
Well you were playing against someone who learned a completely new opening in 1.5 days (Puppykiller had no experience with FD openings prior to Saturday afternoon). Puppy also used 2 new builds that he learned over the course of that day and a half. Whereas you used builds you have probably known about for years. Moreover, puppykiller didn't follow up correctly with any of his builds because of that lack of experience. If he did expand during his pushes (and slowed down on his pushes a bit), he would have won 4-0 against you, with the game on Tau Cross being even when he took his third expansion. So I don't know why you're bragging or acting like you're a far superior player. In fact, you would have lost the series 3-1 even without his followups being executed at a sub par level if he just remembered to put SCV's back on gas when he scouted you and therefore could have afforded his Siege Mode on time for your cheesy 10/15 build. He would have been at a huge advantage and most likely won the game.
Jangbi, on the other hand, played against players who adequately practiced their builds on each map. He also played against players who used more than 2 different openings. So no, you're win isn't the same at all.
hahahahahah
god you're so fucking bitter. He learnt some allins to counter my style. I changed up my style mid-series to something i've pretty much never done in pvt to counter it because it hard countered my 3 base so well (that 3 fac).
We had a series of broodwar.
I won.
I wish bitter idiots would stop trying to put it down because they're puppy fanbois. He talked shit, he got beat. the fact that he won a couple of games doesn't change the fact that he lost the series. From what i heard on the vod he took the preparation a lot more serious than i did too.
lol
tl:dr we had a grudge match. i won. This gives me rights to brag over the opponent i just beat, regardless of the scoreline.
edit: wasted my 3k replying to a troll, dont i feel like an idiot now
Please explain to me how a 3 Factory opening is an all in? If that's an all in then a 10/15 Gateway should certainly be considered an all-in.
On October 24 2011 21:07 puppykiller wrote: lol both of uskiantewerewas playing below ourhis normal level and i think that has to be obvious
fixd
i think its funny how much shit you talked and still went 3-2
its pretty hilarious imo
3-2 equals a win bro
when jangbi won 3-2 did people demean his OSL title?
Well you were playing against someone who learned a completely new opening in 1.5 days (Puppykiller had no experience with FD openings prior to Saturday afternoon). Puppy also used 2 new builds that he learned over the course of that day and a half. Whereas you used builds you have probably known about for years. Moreover, puppykiller didn't follow up correctly with any of his builds because of that lack of experience. If he did expand during his pushes (and slowed down on his pushes a bit), he would have won 4-0 against you, with the game on Tau Cross being even when he took his third expansion. So I don't know why you're bragging or acting like you're a far superior player. In fact, you would have lost the series 3-1 even without his followups being executed at a sub par level if he just remembered to put SCV's back on gas when he scouted you and therefore could have afforded his Siege Mode on time for your cheesy 10/15 build. He would have been at a huge advantage and most likely won the game.
Jangbi, on the other hand, played against players who adequately practiced their builds on each map. He also played against players who used more than 2 different openings. So no, you're win isn't the same at all.
hahahahahah
god you're so fucking bitter. He learnt some allins to counter my style. I changed up my style mid-series to something i've pretty much never done in pvt to counter it because it hard countered my 3 base so well (that 3 fac).
We had a series of broodwar.
I won.
I wish bitter idiots would stop trying to put it down because they're puppy fanbois. He talked shit, he got beat. the fact that he won a couple of games doesn't change the fact that he lost the series. From what i heard on the vod he took the preparation a lot more serious than i did too.
lol
tl:dr we had a grudge match. i won. This gives me rights to brag over the opponent i just beat, regardless of the scoreline.
edit: wasted my 3k replying to a troll, dont i feel like an idiot now
Kiante won. How about you guys still giving him tons of shit just shut up for once? That's the point of a grudge match, no? The loser and his supporters shut up and accept defeat.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
you have to wait for them to challenge you dude you got the order wrong
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
you forgot to mention the part where you flame someone two ranks below you and almost lose ^^
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
you forgot to mention the part where you flame someone two ranks below you and almost lose ^^
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
you forgot to mention the part where you flame someone two ranks below you and almost lose ^^
You lost. Learn humility
Grudge match #2 coming up? puppykiller vs kiante round 2???
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
you forgot to mention the part where you flame someone two ranks below you and almost lose ^^
You lost. Learn humility
Grudge match #2 coming up? puppykiller vs kiante round 2???
You don't re a grudge match. I've beaten him and if he wants to keep being abusive it just shows he has no respect for the grudge match paradigm and another match wouldn't change anything
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
you forgot to mention the part where you flame someone two ranks below you and almost lose ^^
You lost. Learn humility
Grudge match #2 coming up? puppykiller vs kiante round 2???
You don't re a grudge match. I've beaten him and if he wants to keep being abusive it just shows he has no respect for the grudge match paradigm and another match wouldn't change anything
No I think he has every reason to be abusive and disrespectful. I watched the last 3 games of the series and you played just as well as any other C- protoss on ICCup. He could have won, and should have won with better micro in the game on Tau Cross. In all honesty the grudgematch should have been a quick 3-0 for you. Yet you drug it out to 3-2 and nearly lost to "cheese"(I don't understand how timing pushes are cheese but ok). Maybe it was the pressure, or the maps, or you had an off day. I don't know, but the series was a lot close than it should have been and really you can't be happy with a 3-2 even if it is a "win".
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
you forgot to mention the part where you flame someone two ranks below you and almost lose ^^
You lost. Learn humility
Grudge match #2 coming up? puppykiller vs kiante round 2???
You don't re a grudge match. I've beaten him and if he wants to keep being abusive it just shows he has no respect for the grudge match paradigm and another match wouldn't change anything
No I think he has every reason to be abusive and disrespectful. I watched the last 3 games of the series and you played just as well as any other C- protoss on ICCup. He could have won, and should have won with better micro in the game on Tau Cross. In all honesty the grudgematch should have been a quick 3-0 for you. Yet you drug it out to 3-2 and nearly lost to "cheese"(I don't understand how timing pushes are cheese but ok). Maybe it was the pressure, or the maps, or you had an off day. I don't know, but the series was a lot close than it should have been and really you can't be happy with a 3-2 even if it is a "win".
Nope, i'm happy. i dont give a shit how well i played, whether he COULD have won. He didn't. i won. there was a grudge match, and i won. its easy to sit on the sidelines and be like HERP DERP U PLAYED LIKE SHIT, but when you actually get into playing with that kind of pressure it really takes it out of your game. In the end there is one result, a win. Why cant people just accept that.
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
you forgot to mention the part where you flame someone two ranks below you and almost lose ^^
You lost. Learn humility
Grudge match #2 coming up? puppykiller vs kiante round 2???
You don't re a grudge match. I've beaten him and if he wants to keep being abusive it just shows he has no respect for the grudge match paradigm and another match wouldn't change anything
No I think he has every reason to be abusive and disrespectful. I watched the last 3 games of the series and you played just as well as any other C- protoss on ICCup. He could have won, and should have won with better micro in the game on Tau Cross. In all honesty the grudgematch should have been a quick 3-0 for you. Yet you drug it out to 3-2 and nearly lost to "cheese"(I don't understand how timing pushes are cheese but ok). Maybe it was the pressure, or the maps, or you had an off day. I don't know, but the series was a lot close than it should have been and really you can't be happy with a 3-2 even if it is a "win".
Nope, i'm happy. i dont give a shit how well i played, whether he COULD have won. He didn't. i won. there was a grudge match, and i won. its easy to sit on the sidelines and be like HERP DERP U PLAYED LIKE SHIT, but when you actually get into playing with that kind of pressure it really takes it out of your game. In the end there is one result, a win. Why cant people just accept that.
LOL, I've played in my fair share of Division A Clan League games so far this season I think I know the pressure. The question is what pressure is there from playing someone like Puppykiller? The fact you had people watching you? Try playing in ICC-CL to keep your team in Division A and it's the last week and you need a sweep, then bitch to me about pressure.
And do you really want me to step off the sidelines for ya Brah?
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
you forgot to mention the part where you flame someone two ranks below you and almost lose ^^
You lost. Learn humility
Grudge match #2 coming up? puppykiller vs kiante round 2???
You don't re a grudge match. I've beaten him and if he wants to keep being abusive it just shows he has no respect for the grudge match paradigm and another match wouldn't change anything
No I think he has every reason to be abusive and disrespectful. I watched the last 3 games of the series and you played just as well as any other C- protoss on ICCup. He could have won, and should have won with better micro in the game on Tau Cross. In all honesty the grudgematch should have been a quick 3-0 for you. Yet you drug it out to 3-2 and nearly lost to "cheese"(I don't understand how timing pushes are cheese but ok). Maybe it was the pressure, or the maps, or you had an off day. I don't know, but the series was a lot close than it should have been and really you can't be happy with a 3-2 even if it is a "win".
Nope, i'm happy. i dont give a shit how well i played, whether he COULD have won. He didn't. i won. there was a grudge match, and i won. its easy to sit on the sidelines and be like HERP DERP U PLAYED LIKE SHIT, but when you actually get into playing with that kind of pressure it really takes it out of your game. In the end there is one result, a win. Why cant people just accept that.
LOL, I've played in my fair share of Division A Clan League games so far this season I think I know the pressure. The question is what pressure is there from playing someone like Puppykiller? The fact you had people watching you? Try playing in ICC-CL to keep your team in Division A and it's the last week and you need a sweep, then bitch to me about pressure.
And do you really want me to step off the sidelines for ya Brah?
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
you forgot to mention the part where you flame someone two ranks below you and almost lose ^^
You lost. Learn humility
Grudge match #2 coming up? puppykiller vs kiante round 2???
You don't re a grudge match. I've beaten him and if he wants to keep being abusive it just shows he has no respect for the grudge match paradigm and another match wouldn't change anything
No I think he has every reason to be abusive and disrespectful. I watched the last 3 games of the series and you played just as well as any other C- protoss on ICCup. He could have won, and should have won with better micro in the game on Tau Cross. In all honesty the grudgematch should have been a quick 3-0 for you. Yet you drug it out to 3-2 and nearly lost to "cheese"(I don't understand how timing pushes are cheese but ok). Maybe it was the pressure, or the maps, or you had an off day. I don't know, but the series was a lot close than it should have been and really you can't be happy with a 3-2 even if it is a "win".
Nope, i'm happy. i dont give a shit how well i played, whether he COULD have won. He didn't. i won. there was a grudge match, and i won. its easy to sit on the sidelines and be like HERP DERP U PLAYED LIKE SHIT, but when you actually get into playing with that kind of pressure it really takes it out of your game. In the end there is one result, a win. Why cant people just accept that.
LOL, I've played in my fair share of Division A Clan League games so far this season I think I know the pressure. The question is what pressure is there from playing someone like Puppykiller? The fact you had people watching you? Try playing in ICC-CL to keep your team in Division A and it's the last week and you need a sweep, then bitch to me about pressure.
And do you really want me to step off the sidelines for ya Brah?
On October 25 2011 12:16 Zariel wrote: Heres my plan.
1) Practice until B-, or at least C+ on iccup 2) Flame someone in this BW forum until they hate me 3) Offer a grudge-match ...... ...... 4) Profit!!!!!
you forgot to mention the part where you flame someone two ranks below you and almost lose ^^
You lost. Learn humility
Grudge match #2 coming up? puppykiller vs kiante round 2???
You don't re a grudge match. I've beaten him and if he wants to keep being abusive it just shows he has no respect for the grudge match paradigm and another match wouldn't change anything
No I think he has every reason to be abusive and disrespectful. I watched the last 3 games of the series and you played just as well as any other C- protoss on ICCup. He could have won, and should have won with better micro in the game on Tau Cross. In all honesty the grudgematch should have been a quick 3-0 for you. Yet you drug it out to 3-2 and nearly lost to "cheese"(I don't understand how timing pushes are cheese but ok). Maybe it was the pressure, or the maps, or you had an off day. I don't know, but the series was a lot close than it should have been and really you can't be happy with a 3-2 even if it is a "win".
Nope, i'm happy. i dont give a shit how well i played, whether he COULD have won. He didn't. i won. there was a grudge match, and i won. its easy to sit on the sidelines and be like HERP DERP U PLAYED LIKE SHIT, but when you actually get into playing with that kind of pressure it really takes it out of your game. In the end there is one result, a win. Why cant people just accept that.
LOL, I've played in my fair share of Division A Clan League games so far this season I think I know the pressure. The question is what pressure is there from playing someone like Puppykiller? The fact you had people watching you? Try playing in ICC-CL to keep your team in Division A and it's the last week and you need a sweep, then bitch to me about pressure.
And do you really want me to step off the sidelines for ya Brah?
The fact that i'd suffer extreme humiliation lost coupled with the fact that i pretty much never play in tournament style situations combined to form extreme pressure.
Its great that you can play in your icc cl division whatever the fuck that means but playing competatively like this (ie: not ladder) is a new thing for me apart from a smattering of random tournaments i've entered over the past couple of years. I dont see how my level of play, or the scoreline demeans my result. I played a grudge match and i won. This isn't about you, this was me standing up against someone trash talking me. I called him out, i beat him. Thats how the grudge match works. I dont see how you feel like its your job to come into this thread and devalue my victory. i'm well aware of how poorly i played, but in the end i won. woop woop
Look guys, can we stop speaking in hypotheticals here? We can talk all about how puppy could've played better or w/e, but at the same time Kiante could've played better too.
Given the result, we can say that maybe puppy isn't as bad as everyone thought he was, but at the end of the day, Kiante is still better. A win is a win, don't go around trying to take away from that.
Stop hating each other or find a way to get more grudge matches
On October 26 2011 01:38 Snipinpanda wrote: Look guys, can we stop speaking in hypotheticals here? We can talk all about how puppy could've played better or w/e, but at the same time Kiante could've played better too.
Given the result, we can say that maybe puppy isn't as bad as everyone thought he was, but at the end of the day, Kiante is still better. A win is a win, don't go around trying to take away from that.
Stop hating each other or find a way to get more grudge matches
I was actually going for one with my text, but it seems to be all in vain as the thread has been derailed into friendly banter.
On October 26 2011 01:38 Snipinpanda wrote: Given the result, we can say that maybe puppy isn't as bad as everyone thought he was, but at the end of the day, Kiante is still better.
This is actually not a proven fact at all. Kiante played better that day, but there's no evidence he's actually the better player overall. Jangbi beat Flash in their last series so he was obviously greater within the frame of those games, doesn't mean he's superior in general though.
On October 26 2011 01:38 Snipinpanda wrote: Given the result, we can say that maybe puppy isn't as bad as everyone thought he was, but at the end of the day, Kiante is still better.
This is actually not a proven fact at all. Kiante played better that day, but there's no evidence he's actually the better player overall. Jangbi beat Flash in their last series so he was obviously greater within the frame of those games, doesn't mean he's superior in general though.
Just sayin'.
Yeah, but JB v Flash was no grudgematch. Grudgematch has final say in everything.
On October 26 2011 01:38 Snipinpanda wrote: Given the result, we can say that maybe puppy isn't as bad as everyone thought he was, but at the end of the day, Kiante is still better.
This is actually not a proven fact at all. Kiante played better that day, but there's no evidence he's actually the better player overall. Jangbi beat Flash in their last series so he was obviously greater within the frame of those games, doesn't mean he's superior in general though.
Just sayin'.
Yeah, but JB v Flash was no grudgematch. Grudgematch has final say in everything.
On October 26 2011 01:38 Snipinpanda wrote: Look guys, can we stop speaking in hypotheticals here? We can talk all about how puppy could've played better or w/e, but at the same time Kiante could've played better too.
Given the result, we can say that maybe puppy isn't as bad as everyone thought he was, but at the end of the day, Kiante is still better. A win is a win, don't go around trying to take away from that.
Stop hating each other or find a way to get more grudge matches
I was actually going for one with my text, but it seems to be all in vain as the thread has been derailed into friendly banter.
Shotcoder how can you possible think that this is friendly banter?!?!!
On October 26 2011 01:38 Snipinpanda wrote: Look guys, can we stop speaking in hypotheticals here? We can talk all about how puppy could've played better or w/e, but at the same time Kiante could've played better too.
Given the result, we can say that maybe puppy isn't as bad as everyone thought he was, but at the end of the day, Kiante is still better. A win is a win, don't go around trying to take away from that.
Stop hating each other or find a way to get more grudge matches
I was actually going for one with my text, but it seems to be all in vain as the thread has been derailed into friendly banter.
Shotcoder how can you possible think that this is friendly banter?!?!!
it was the smily okay? especially the one with the tongue. always throws me off!
On October 26 2011 01:38 Snipinpanda wrote: Given the result, we can say that maybe puppy isn't as bad as everyone thought he was, but at the end of the day, Kiante is still better.
This is actually not a proven fact at all. Kiante played better that day, but there's no evidence he's actually the better player overall. Jangbi beat Flash in their last series so he was obviously greater within the frame of those games, doesn't mean he's superior in general though.
Just sayin'.
Yeah, but JB v Flash was no grudgematch. Grudgematch has final say in everything.
such as: snipin_panda sucks at obsing.
You really want me to beat you in every matchup, don't you?
On October 26 2011 01:38 Snipinpanda wrote: Given the result, we can say that maybe puppy isn't as bad as everyone thought he was, but at the end of the day, Kiante is still better.
This is actually not a proven fact at all. Kiante played better that day, but there's no evidence he's actually the better player overall. Jangbi beat Flash in their last series so he was obviously greater within the frame of those games, doesn't mean he's superior in general though.
Just sayin'.
Yeah, but JB v Flash was no grudgematch. Grudgematch has final say in everything.
such as: snipin_panda sucks at obsing.
You really want me to beat you in every matchup, don't you?
I just watched this! It was pretty hard to watch Kiante lose game 3 from that position. But overall pretty entertaining, wish Sayle casted with them or something though. ><"
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