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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
July 22 2011 11:59 GMT
#781
JB putting a pylon down at his nat and sending out a probe to scout, probe headed towards an empty main unfortunately

Overlord halfway towards JB's base
Killer 12 hatching
JB putting down a forge next to his pylon
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
July 22 2011 11:59 GMT
#782
On July 22 2011 20:58 hypercube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:50 revy wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:45 Special Tactics wrote:
THat was a terrible game. Protoss seems to have played fine. Was is the map? Flash could seige in 1 position hitting 2 bases. that was silly


Stork didn't really play fine. It made it look like T is OP but that is what happens about 90% of the time someone goes carriers vs Flash. During the carrier transition Flash knows his opponent will be light on units until critical mass of carriers so he splits up his forces and takes down all the expos he can to starve out his opponent.

I feel the biggest hole in Flash's TvP currently is against heavy ground play.


It's not just strategies, Flash's execution was plain better. Stork could have used that 10 goons that got trapped at 12 o'clock in his final attack. And he should have done better with what he had anyway.


That was pretty sexy when Flash closed in on both sides of that goon group.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
July 22 2011 11:59 GMT
#783
hatch before pool for killer
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
July 22 2011 12:00 GMT
#784
On July 22 2011 20:56 KTF_CloaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:53 Shurayuki wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:53 J1.au wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:52 kuroshiroi wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:51 Sawamura wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:50 revy wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:45 Special Tactics wrote:
THat was a terrible game. Protoss seems to have played fine. Was is the map? Flash could seige in 1 position hitting 2 bases. that was silly


Stork didn't really play fine. It made it look like T is OP but that is what happens about 90% of the time someone goes carriers vs Flash. During the carrier transition Flash knows his opponent will be light on units until critical mass of carriers so he splits up his forces and takes down all the expos he can to starve out his opponent.

I feel the biggest hole in Flash's TvP currently is against heavy ground play.


Link me some games where flash falter to heavy ground units play @@

Recent games against Shuttle, Best and M18M, for instance.

Much, not M18M!


wasn't that carriers? different game?


No, the game vs much was not a faltering against a huge ground army, Flash pushed idicilously early with like 3 tanks and marines and some vults and it failed so it was gg right there because he failed to take out Much's third and losed soon afterwards to much's 10 gate macro on 3 bases while FlaSh had 2.


what a failed timing from flash, i've actually never seen that wth, i know i just skimmed that LR thread.
he kinda neglected his TvP a long time because the only really important match was vBisu...oh well

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なまいきになんなよ~ Don't be too stakka~ ☆ SKT Harlequin ☆ n.Die_soO Hoppin You ♪ 愛 am BeSt ♪ ワイフ♥小早川りんこ
Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
July 22 2011 12:00 GMT
#785
On July 22 2011 20:56 Special Tactics wrote:
I think that was it. Someone said. I realize now. going carriers leaves toss fewer units, so Flash was able to harass expo's. But the siege of 2 expos at once is plain ridiculous haha

It's not particularly ridiculous. Watch some of Flash's macro games against any protoss where he simultaneously pushes 5 bases.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
July 22 2011 12:00 GMT
#786
killer takes a third at about 10
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
July 22 2011 12:00 GMT
#787
Probe arrives at the nat to see the hatch, and proceeds to waltz into the main, spots the pool

Killer taking his gas, he's also sent out a drone to start his 3rd at 10 o'clock
JB starting a nex at his nat, he's also thrown down a gateway and cannon

Pair of zerglings made to hunt down that scouting probe
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 12:02:11
July 22 2011 12:00 GMT
#788
On July 22 2011 20:57 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:56 revy wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:51 Sawamura wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:50 revy wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:45 Special Tactics wrote:
THat was a terrible game. Protoss seems to have played fine. Was is the map? Flash could seige in 1 position hitting 2 bases. that was silly


Stork didn't really play fine. It made it look like T is OP but that is what happens about 90% of the time someone goes carriers vs Flash. During the carrier transition Flash knows his opponent will be light on units until critical mass of carriers so he splits up his forces and takes down all the expos he can to starve out his opponent.

I feel the biggest hole in Flash's TvP currently is against heavy ground play.


Link me some games where flash falter to heavy ground units play @@


Others have answered. All I'm trying to say is that I can remember a lot more times recently that he lost on the ground as opposed to lost to carriers. I'm sure Flash will have a TvP BO5 eventually and then he'll shoot up to 85% in the MU again for 8 months.

For that to happen, protosses actually need to make it to the later stages of leagues.


very difficult for protoss anyway, map dependant. Unless they give protoss some strong maps. When stork retire like next couple of years and bisu aged, kal gone there will be no protoss. Those strong maps will make Z and T crack their brains to outplay protoss, currently its the other way round.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
July 22 2011 12:01 GMT
#789
lair for killer, still has a probe being annoying in his base
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
July 22 2011 12:02 GMT
#790
On July 22 2011 21:00 Musou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:56 Special Tactics wrote:
I think that was it. Someone said. I realize now. going carriers leaves toss fewer units, so Flash was able to harass expo's. But the siege of 2 expos at once is plain ridiculous haha

It's not particularly ridiculous. Watch some of Flash's macro games against any protoss where he simultaneously pushes 5 bases.


i think he meant the map positioning allowing 2 bases being shelled from one position but i don't think that was important here, just not good plan->execution from stork
なまいきになんなよ~ Don't be too stakka~ ☆ SKT Harlequin ☆ n.Die_soO Hoppin You ♪ 愛 am BeSt ♪ ワイフ♥小早川りんこ
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
July 22 2011 12:02 GMT
#791
On July 22 2011 21:00 Musou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:56 Special Tactics wrote:
I think that was it. Someone said. I realize now. going carriers leaves toss fewer units, so Flash was able to harass expo's. But the siege of 2 expos at once is plain ridiculous haha

It's not particularly ridiculous. Watch some of Flash's macro games against any protoss where he simultaneously pushes 5 bases.


Go watch Kal vs FlaSh @ fighting spirit right now! It's just plain awesome to see. Also watch FlaSh vs Bisu @ Icarus ace match to see the trapping of like 10 goons and afterwards pushing 5 bases at once, it is just beatiful.
KT Rolster for the win!! Lee-Young-Ho hwaiting!!
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
July 22 2011 12:02 GMT
#792
2 star for jangbi, killer going straight to spire
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 22 2011 12:02 GMT
#793
2 stargates for jangbi
brood war for life, brood war forever
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
July 22 2011 12:02 GMT
#794
Core warping in at the nat
Killer's main hatch is morphing into a Lair
Pair of lings still playing cat and mouse with the probe

Stargate warping in at the main
Lair finishes and Killer throws down a Spire

JB going with a 2nd stargate
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Special Tactics
Profile Joined July 2011
Ukraine233 Posts
July 22 2011 12:02 GMT
#795
On July 22 2011 21:00 Musou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:56 Special Tactics wrote:
I think that was it. Someone said. I realize now. going carriers leaves toss fewer units, so Flash was able to harass expo's. But the siege of 2 expos at once is plain ridiculous haha

It's not particularly ridiculous. Watch some of Flash's macro games against any protoss where he simultaneously pushes 5 bases.

No. I mean the tanks sit in one location and was able to attack 2 Nexus.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
July 22 2011 12:02 GMT
#796
Ugh, Jangbi is going 2star again.

I predict he will kill a bunch of overlords and then die to hydralisks.
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
July 22 2011 12:03 GMT
#797
sairs out, get one ovie, unsure if it saw both stargates, probably just did
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 22 2011 12:03 GMT
#798
jangbi gonna try sair reaver! here's hoping it works
brood war for life, brood war forever
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
July 22 2011 12:03 GMT
#799
On July 22 2011 21:00 Baddieko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 20:57 Elyvilon wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:56 revy wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:51 Sawamura wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:50 revy wrote:
On July 22 2011 20:45 Special Tactics wrote:
THat was a terrible game. Protoss seems to have played fine. Was is the map? Flash could seige in 1 position hitting 2 bases. that was silly


Stork didn't really play fine. It made it look like T is OP but that is what happens about 90% of the time someone goes carriers vs Flash. During the carrier transition Flash knows his opponent will be light on units until critical mass of carriers so he splits up his forces and takes down all the expos he can to starve out his opponent.

I feel the biggest hole in Flash's TvP currently is against heavy ground play.


Link me some games where flash falter to heavy ground units play @@


Others have answered. All I'm trying to say is that I can remember a lot more times recently that he lost on the ground as opposed to lost to carriers. I'm sure Flash will have a TvP BO5 eventually and then he'll shoot up to 85% in the MU again for 8 months.

For that to happen, protosses actually need to make it to the later stages of leagues.


very difficult for protoss anyway, map dependant. Unless they give protoss some strong maps. When stork retire like next couple of years and bisu aged, kal gone there will be no protoss. Those strong maps will make Z and T crack their brains to outplay protoss, currently its the other way round.


Dude???? wtf????

STATS VIOLET SHUTTLE HORANG2 SNOW LOL YOU MAD BRO


KT Rolster for the win!! Lee-Young-Ho hwaiting!!
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
July 22 2011 12:03 GMT
#800
scourge out, jangbang adding a robo
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
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