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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 20 2011 09:21 GMT
#141
On June 20 2011 18:18 Doraemon wrote:
however...hasn't it been KTnonFlash lately? flash losing = everyone else winning right?


Basically like last year yeah. Flash starts playing like shit in proleague while reality hits the rest of KT and they realise that Flash can't carry them the whole time.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
June 20 2011 09:21 GMT
#142
On June 20 2011 18:20 SkelA wrote:
Flash probably is not practicing right now because of his wrist and KT is already in playoffs.


then why even play? give the kids a chance
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 09:21:55
June 20 2011 09:21 GMT
#143
2 hatch muta on Icarus isn't fucking cheese, it's the right build in those positions for zerg against terran, unless the zerg doesn't want to win. Flash should have bunker rushed, tbh.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
June 20 2011 09:22 GMT
#144
Omg, stop calling everything cheese :D

CJ is really impressive lately, really strong, nice. Actually the whole season long.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
June 20 2011 09:22 GMT
#145
man...if effort ever gets back to his osl form...i'm scared....very scared
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
June 20 2011 09:22 GMT
#146
Come on, not the cheese/not cheese debate again.

It's sad to see Flash lose like this. He really needs a break IMO, since KT is pretty much locked into the no.3 spot.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
June 20 2011 09:22 GMT
#147
KT keeps sending Flash out on bad maps. Ordinarily this would be no problem but it doesn't seem like Flash has even prepared properly to play on them.
Eun_Star
Profile Joined April 2010
United States322 Posts
June 20 2011 09:22 GMT
#148
i'm not sure about calling 2 hatch muta cheese, but i'd say it's definitely all-in. with a close position like that, maybe it was a bad idea for flash to go 14 cc.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
June 20 2011 09:22 GMT
#149
On June 20 2011 18:22 Doraemon wrote:
man...if effort ever gets back to his osl form...i'm scared....very scared


doesn't really matter, cj are the best team by far already
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
June 20 2011 09:23 GMT
#150
Maybe you shouldn't send your best player on a map where there's a random chance he'll lose without being able to do anything.

Wait, what am I saying? That's CJ talk. Not how we do things here at the KT house.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 09:25:01
June 20 2011 09:24 GMT
#151
I think Flash would have held the 2-hatch muta if he hadn't lost so much to the first set of lings. It put him just enough behind. Pretty greedy way to play though when you know that 2 hatch on that map is pretty likely.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 20 2011 09:24 GMT
#152
On June 20 2011 18:17 tanngard wrote:
Post starleague slump

even the ultimate weapon is afflicted.

On June 20 2011 18:20 SkelA wrote:
Flash probably is not practicing right now because of his wrist and KT is already in playoffs.

There's a big difference in seeding for 2nd and 3rd place though, this should be a very important game for KT if they want a shot at taking 2nd.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Nesto
Profile Joined November 2009
Switzerland1318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 09:25:05
June 20 2011 09:24 GMT
#153
On June 20 2011 18:21 Iplaythings wrote:
i just hope his wrist isnt what is causing him to lose


come on, stop saying that everytime flash losses...

it's as stupid as OZ fans, who blamed every loss for about half a year on "JD looks tired and doesn't get enough rest" in 2010...
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 09:25:39
June 20 2011 09:24 GMT
#154
On June 20 2011 18:22 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 18:22 Doraemon wrote:
man...if effort ever gets back to his osl form...i'm scared....very scared


doesn't really matter, cj are the best team by far already

I doubt CJ will stay the same next season. When the Free agent period starts, Snow, Hydra, Leta, Horang2, Movie are all gonna negotiate for higher salaries. Unless they win the SPL, CJ can't afford to match their desires. I think one or two of them is switching teams. My guess would be Leta or Horang2
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
juuust
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland43 Posts
June 20 2011 09:25 GMT
#155
It absolutely wasnt cheese, it was playing according to how the game was going.

2hat muta is based on early harassment and it has to do damage to be able to carry on to mid and late game. Now if the build is working real good and doing insane damage why not continue pumping units instead of workers and finish it right there?

You ppl have really forgotten what cheese or all-in means.
*Cheeki Breeki*
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
June 20 2011 09:25 GMT
#156
On June 20 2011 18:24 Emon_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 18:22 sixfour wrote:
On June 20 2011 18:22 Doraemon wrote:
man...if effort ever gets back to his osl form...i'm scared....very scared


doesn't really matter, cj are the best team by far already

I doubt it will stay the same next season. When the Free agent period starts, Snow, Hydra, Leta, Effort, Horang2, Movie are all gonna negotiate for higher salaries. Unless they win the SPL, I think one or two of them is switching teams. My guess would be Leta or Horang2

Effort is going to negotiate for a higher salary? On what basis?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 20 2011 09:25 GMT
#157
On June 20 2011 18:24 Nesto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 18:21 Iplaythings wrote:
i just hope his wrist isnt what is causing him to lose


come on, stop saying that everytime flash losses...

it's as stupid as OZ fans, who blamed every loss for about half a year on "JD looks tired and doesn't get enough rest" in 2010...


They still do that with their "poor Jaedong..." for like three pages whenever he loses.

Fanboys will be fanboys basically.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 09:27:18
June 20 2011 09:26 GMT
#158
On June 20 2011 18:25 gngfn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 18:24 Emon_ wrote:
On June 20 2011 18:22 sixfour wrote:
On June 20 2011 18:22 Doraemon wrote:
man...if effort ever gets back to his osl form...i'm scared....very scared


doesn't really matter, cj are the best team by far already

I doubt it will stay the same next season. When the Free agent period starts, Snow, Hydra, Leta, Effort, Horang2, Movie are all gonna negotiate for higher salaries. Unless they win the SPL, I think one or two of them is switching teams. My guess would be Leta or Horang2

Effort is going to negotiate for a higher salary? On what basis?

Not enough E's in his alphabet soup. I edited as fast as I could, but I can't beat quickdraw
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 09:27:44
June 20 2011 09:26 GMT
#159
On June 20 2011 18:25 juuust wrote:
It absolutely wasnt cheese, it was playing according to how the game was going.

2hat muta is based on early harassment and it has to do damage to be able to carry on to mid and late game. Now if the build is working real good and doing insane damage why not continue pumping units instead of workers and finish it right there?

You ppl have really forgotten what cheese or all-in means.


Cheese is when you vastly sacrifice the number of workers you have to make a lot of units to kill your opponent. When you have less drones out than mutas you've made then you're cheesing. Just because you can make drones later doesn't make it not cheese.

Is this somehow new to people that 2hatch muta CAN be cheese?

It's not an insult, either. Hydra spotted the positions and made the decision that got him the win. Flash cheeses about as much as any other player, I am by no means insulting Hydra for doing it.
Remember Violet.
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
June 20 2011 09:27 GMT
#160
Hydra with the boss pose.
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