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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:30 Iplaythings wrote: ireally hope la mancha will be out of the mappool next season.. its just so terribly much z>p>t map which is boring to watch at .( It's actually more like this- z=p>t>z TvZ: 29-19 (60.4%) [ Games ] ZvP: 23-23 (50%) [ Games ] PvT: 38-27 (58.5%) [ Games ] | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:31 IntoTheWow wrote: That's not cheese. Probably all-inish, but not cheese lol. Cheese a blind strategy like BBS, proxy gates, where you rely on luck to beat your opponent (him not scouting, not walling, etc). Btw you keep mentioning the amount of drones and that's exactly the amount of drones you usually have when you 2 hatch mutas, you start with more, but then you need 2 extractors, the spire, maybe a sunken, etc. What? That's absolutely not true, you have way more drones because you don't make even half the number of lings hydra does when you do the standard 2 hatch muta. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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juuust
Finland43 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:26 TwoToneTerran wrote: Cheese is when you vastly sacrifice the number of workers you have to make a lot of units to kill your opponent. When you have less drones out than mutas you've made then you're cheesing. Just because you can make drones later doesn't make it not cheese. Is this somehow new to people that 2hatch muta CAN be cheese? It's not an insult, either. Hydra spotted the positions and made the decision that got him the win. Flash cheeses about as much as any other player, I am by no means insulting Hydra for doing it. I'd define cheese a build that takes the opponent by surprise, hides something (proxy for example) that is easy to counter if scouted and hard if not. All-in on the other hand is something that cuts economy or tech to make one attempt to take the game and finish it and if countered it's hard or impossible to recover. 2hat against 14cc, pure BO advantage and abusing that fact. Cutting workers doesnt make it cheese, it could make it all-in but I wouldnt call this all in either. | ||
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Sovetsky Soyuz
Russian Federation905 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:27 ketomai wrote: I don't really wanna go much further with this, but even 2 hatch while making a lot of units in response to something isn't cheese. If that's cheese then jaedong used to "cheese" in 3/4 of his ZvT games. Making units because you see an opening isn't cheese; hydra wasn't sitting there praying flash died as he a clicked, he just saw a 14 CC and an opening and so he exploited it. He's just pissed Flash lost :D Im so happy!!! | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:32 TwoToneTerran wrote: What? That's absolutely not true, you have way more drones because you don't make even half the number of lings hydra does when you do the standard 2 hatch muta. Yeah, but why would he not make lings when he sees he can get in and punish Flash? "Oh no, the liquipedia 2 hatch muta page says I must have X drones, I will not take my opportunity get in Flash's base". Don't be ridiculous. Flash goes 14cc and you are calling 2 hatch muta cheese. | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:34 sixfour wrote: wait what is this 2 hatch lunkers? 3 hatch hydra den because he scouted the vulture, which means mech or wraiths in which you need hydras. | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:34 sixfour wrote: wait what is this 2 hatch lunkers? cheese | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:35 Motivate wrote: seriously wtf flash. it's almost like he isn't caring anymore. always grinning after he loses. Its better to keep a positive attitude than being sad and raging after a loss. | ||
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HighTemper
Canada3867 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:35 IntoTheWow wrote: Yeah, but why would he not make lings when he sees he can get in and punish Flash? "Oh no, the liquipedia 2 hatch muta page says I must have X drones, I will not take my opportunity get in Flash's base". Don't be ridiculous. Flash goes 14cc and you are calling 2 hatch muta cheese. Why are you putting words in my mouth? I didn't say Hydra shouldn't have done it, I've just always said anything where you massively sacrifice drones this early in the game to kill your opponent as cheese. :> You're the one who said he had the normal number of drones which is farcical. | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:36 TwoToneTerran wrote: Why are you putting words in my mouth? I didn't say Hydra shouldn't have done it, I've just always said anything where you massively sacrifice drones this early in the game to kill your opponent as cheese. :> You're the one who said he had the normal number of drones which is farcical. You are confusing the definition of cheese and all-in. 2 hatch muting cutting drones = all-in. But it's NOT cheese. A blind 5 pool, proxy gates, bbs, 11 fact vulture, no dragoon DT rush, etc <- those are cheese builds. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Sovetsky Soyuz
Russian Federation905 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:36 IntoTheWow wrote: ahh sneaky hidden hydra lol | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:24 Nesto wrote: come on, stop saying that everytime flash losses... it's as stupid as OZ fans, who blamed every loss for about half a year on "JD looks tired and doesn't get enough rest" in 2010... .............. are you really buthurt about people caring about their teams players conditions? Hydra outplayed flash and hit the "before marine range" timing perfectly? Please just get-the-fuck-out if you dont think either are whats bothering people, cus you know what? When Jaedong comes up to the stage with bags under his eyes, when flash uses most of the time before the match massagin his wrist? guess what, there is probally something wrong. Please just THINK before you post bigotry like that | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:37 IntoTheWow wrote: You are confusing the definition of cheese and all-in. 2 hatch muting cutting drones = all-in. But it's NOT cheese. Maybe I'm being too hesitant to call something an all-in because I got in a massive semantics argument about it not too long ago. EITHER WAY, Flash used to have an impeccable sense to defend that kind of stuff and it's sad to see him lose to it a lot. | ||
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Eun_Star
United States322 Posts
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