[SPL] KT Rolster vs Hwaseung OZ - Page 33

On June 15 2011 19:28 TwoToneTerran wrote:


If Jaedong mismicros and loses all his lurkers then his all in didn't work and it was still all in. If Flash survived the all in, went to attack and lost all his forces to lurkers, he is still going to win because it's 3 hatch undersaturated zerg vs Terran, and he just plain cannot produce enough high tier units out of 3 hatches with so few drones to stop the terran from remassing when he can't take a third. Terran can afford to make enough forces and SCVs at the same time if he survives that attack to completely contain Jaedong, otherwise he ggs because if you can't have enough income to produce out of your raxes you've lost, if you can you've won.

Also, I love the "Frankly, I highly doubt you have enough knowledge of this game," Right, so here's the problem: You do? You can, without a doubt, claim that there is no way this was an all in short of unrealistic extenuating circumstances? You do know that progamers themselves use the term all-in all the time, are you suddenly smarter than all of them? How many times has a progamer referred to something as an all or nothing attack and how many times have they said it wasn't actually all or nothing in their interivews(go read every kwanro and shine interview, or interview of someone who beat shine or kwanro)? The former is much more common than the latter. You're stating things based on basic logic, which is actually reasonable and applies to many kinds of cheeses and has happened, albeit rarely. But progamers refer to things as all in more often or not -- this is a failed line of reasoning from your standpoint.



This is a very bad comparison. You can't plan on drawing a certain hand like you can in starcraft. Jaedong made a specific decision with his opening and follow up, you can't do this with cards (only with bets! I'm a long time poker follower :D).



Where did I say it was wrong in every regard? I've been specifically arguing that in this case in this game it actually truly was an all in because of the amount of combat unit production capable by both players, though in other cases you're technically right, because we've seen cheeses that did not end up being in a completely all or nothing situation that progressed to a normal game, like the 5 pool situation I referenced earlier -- but you've got a stick up your ass if you harp on it in the slightest. If you don't want people to call it an all-in then they'll just call it a cheese, which has worse connoations.



More people have disagreed with you in this thread than agreed with you, and I'm sure most people who agree with you would say you're being overly prudish to get all huffy about people calling it an all-in. No one likes someone who takes every little thing literally.