EPTOn April 12 2011 12:06 pAORc wrote:
Finally watched all the VODs, highlight of the match was oov's hair for sure
Finally watched all the VODs, highlight of the match was oov's hair for sure
Insightful indeed.
[SWL] Winner League Finals KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 - P…
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
Insightful indeed. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On April 12 2011 00:08 micromegas wrote: No, there is not, and yeah, why wouldn't they? But seriously, you're putting words into my mouth here. The only point here is that I think that SKT as a team are boring and play boring Starcraft. That's my opinion as far as I never think they ever really do anything unexpected and because I think the players are generally uninspiring and sometimes less than likeable individuals. And no matter what you or I might think, they rely very heavily on Bisu to finish off matches against the top level players. So, all in all, uninspiring. I only stated that they're boring, and please note the words "competent" and "deserve a victory" towards the end. Clearly being able to come up with different tailored build-orders in every game is boring. We should forbid the players from attacking until both max out. Because otherwise it would ruin the fun of watching BW. | ||
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Unborn
Vietnam9 Posts
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Hazard
Norway594 Posts
 and each sport has boring teams/players. | ||
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micromegas
Denmark171 Posts
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micromegas
Denmark171 Posts
On April 12 2011 03:25 Bisu-Fan wrote: I guess he's just saying, personally, he doesn't find all of what you just said (which I wholeheartedly agree with) fun at all... But then can I ask you what you do find to be fun Starcraft to watch??? Just curious~ First of all: it's not that I don't neccesarily find all of what he just said to be "fun to watch", but rather that I might not agree that that's what SKT1 is all about. It's as if he (not you) won't accept that the question of whether SKT1 plays spectacularly or not (or are utterly uninspiring or not) is a matter of opinion and taste, not a matter of fact. I just don't think that s2 winning against two bad zergs, Stats failing, Flash rolling over a lesser player and Bisu building lots of zealots can be defined as very exciting. If you a real fanboy you'll probably find satisfaction in the fact that s2 actually won games, but if you're not, it's utterly boring. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
Bisu pulled a text book snipe on Flash this time, came with a prepared build, executed it perfectly. Flash was just a part of the best case scenario for SKT, if anyone is to blame, its the 3 KT players that lost before him. SKT and Bisu had Flash where they want him and made the best of it. I personally cant wait for the rematch in the MSL, cause its a 2 players map and either flash or bisu is going to cheese. But as Boxer once said, its not a cheese if you know its coming | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
BTW, it's great that Bisu is getting back his old style. I remember in 2008 or early 2009 how he seemed to open every PvT with some unique kind of abuse (and humiliate his victims by winning with it). He has lost so many games during the last 1-2 years due to bland, uninspired play. | ||
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Emon_
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micromegas
Denmark171 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On April 11 2011 23:00 TURKISHRAMBO wrote: KT just seemed really unenthusiastic and were not trying their best. imo KT needs to stop relying on flash 90% of the time. Flash is kt ace in the hole and is the final boss I believe this loss will only make us stronger so Kt fan's don't despair just suck this loss up because the next time we are to meet skt1 again they are going to get a lot steam roll from all the STATS and SOME ACTION and Crazy hydra's obliterating every opposition that lies ahead of them . | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On April 12 2011 18:31 micromegas wrote: First of all: it's not that I don't neccesarily find all of what he just said to be "fun to watch", but rather that I might not agree that that's what SKT1 is all about. It's as if he (not you) won't accept that the question of whether SKT1 plays spectacularly or not (or are utterly uninspiring or not) is a matter of opinion and taste, not a matter of fact. I just don't think that s2 winning against two bad zergs, Stats failing, Flash rolling over a lesser player and Bisu building lots of zealots can be defined as very exciting. If you a real fanboy you'll probably find satisfaction in the fact that s2 actually won games, but if you're not, it's utterly boring. Oh, so were pigeonholing SKT's style and abilities based on one series. Then I have to agree with you. Although it is hard to show a good game when your opponents play so bad, unless you just wanted ultralisk rushes every game. I can accept that people don't like SKT's style, but I'm curious what exactly people don't like. Unless there is another reason, I invite you to look at a slightly larger sample size. The ssak and fantasy games from earlier in the playoffs were really good. | ||
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micromegas
Denmark171 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
In other words; it's kind of pointless to argue with people who are basing what they say on bias and fanboyism.  | ||
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Craton
United States17276 Posts
It's extremely offensive and condescending to accuse someone of trolling because they disagree with you. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
With that defense out of the way, I'll have to agree that throwing the word troll around is kinda bad, especially with the contempt and disregard that comes with it. I slam SKT quite often, but my jests and points are at least taken with a degree of seriousness. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On April 12 2011 23:45 micromegas wrote: I get your point. I don't think I've in any way tried to pigeonhole anything, but this finals was a disappointment to me and is - to me - a representative instance of the phenomenon 'SKT'. I have watched more or less all games for the last three years and quite a few from before 2008, so no, I don't base my view on the finals. My real point here is that I find SKT boring and uninspiring. End of story, nothing to argue for or about. why is SKT boring, compared to say, Oz? | ||
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:33 bearbuddy wrote: The problem doesn't lie with Flash's play diversity, it's the nature of the matchup. TvP is boring when T wins because they need to march alllll the way across the map. I can't name a terran with a more diverse TvP skill set than Flash, and Fantasy is fun to watch (for some people) because of his heavy vulture harass style. In this season, none of Flash's games against Toss has exceeded 30 minutes. None of them. People also tend to be more aggressive against Flash (He probably gets cheesed more than any other player), and that's why we see Flash defending quite often. With that defense out of the way, I'll have to agree that throwing the word troll around is kinda bad, especially with the contempt and disregard that comes with it. I slam SKT quite often, but my jests and points are at least taken with a degree of seriousness. This is a really good point that I feel like a lot of people overlook. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:38 Craton wrote: Eh? Flash is very boring. He may cheese once in a bo5, but nearly every game is 14cc or 1 rax expand into turtling. His "timing pushes" are generally after sitting on 3-4 bases for half an hour. The only other thing you see is a bunker rush vs a 12 nexus and sometimes a 12 hatch, which is frankly also boring because one player inevitably gets a massive advantage and the rest of the game is boring to watch. It's extremely offensive and condescending to accuse someone of trolling because they disagree with you. How else am I supposed to interpret it when people write stuff such as the things you just wrote then? Either it's trolling, or it's extremely misinformed idiocy. For example, look at this: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/54466_Flash_vs_Jaehoon/vod http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/56520_Flash_vs_Grape/vod 2 games from Flash's last 10 TvP's that include 4 Rax MnM (and Tanks of course) from 2 bases in TvP. Is that ''after sitting on 3-4 bases for half an hour''? Watch those games, then look at what you wrote in your post. It's nonsense, simply not true, and it was spurted out because you have a clear bias against Flash. Anyway, this isn't supposed to be about him. But the same thing goes for the vast majority of the people who whine about SKT being boring or about Bisu cheesing here. They wouldn't utter one word of criticism if it had been their own team, and their own favourite player, doing the exact same thing. It's a very common phenomenon. I personally always think it's very silly to see people finding excuses for their disappointment. This entire final made me very sad and angry, and I think it was a complete fucking waste of time watching the bullshit, but that's because I'm a fanboy of the losing team. 100%. I would've jumped out of my chair due to excitement if Flash had bunker rushed a 12 Nex by Bisu in that 5th game. I would've posted about how smart and well prepared he was. And I feel very confident saying that 99% of all other people here wouldn't really care in what manner it happened if their team had won WL. They would've been happy as hell no matter what. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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