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Hmm we should get this to 200 pages.
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God, I can't believe stork lost. >_< Gaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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On January 30 2011 12:02 flamewheel wrote:
Hmm we should get this to 200 pages.
After Stork gets mopped a third time in WL tonight I'm sure it will.
heyyyyyyyooo
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On January 30 2011 12:15 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 12:02 flamewheel wrote:
Hmm we should get this to 200 pages. After Stork gets mopped a third time in WL tonight I'm sure it will. heyyyyyyyooo
Fantasy won't be there, he's too busy doing "sit ups" with his fangirls.
edit: heyyyyyyyyooooooo
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On January 30 2011 12:18 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 12:15 Gescom wrote:On January 30 2011 12:02 flamewheel wrote:
Hmm we should get this to 200 pages. After Stork gets mopped a third time in WL tonight I'm sure it will. heyyyyyyyooo Fantasy won't be there, he's too busy doing "sit ups" with his fangirls. edit: heyyyyyyyyooooooo
I'm still trying to find a clean version of that without Sayla lol. All my female friends want to see it, figure it'd be a good way to get them semi interested in SC lol
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Stork will get his revenge tonight. He will channel the vengeful force of the Mantoss himself and get an all kill.
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Stork for all kill tonight over Fantasy and Bisu. Show the world that he's still willing and #1 protoss in the world.
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I loved how the commentators said that Fantasy was channeling the spirit of Boxer in the third set with his dropship play.
Also it seemed like fanta had a huge advantage in coaching-not just in strategy, but mainly in sharing the mental burden of the pressure.
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Fantasy played amazingly, no arguing there; but storks insistance on useing the same build all three games really cost him. I think people are underestimating stork in the first game though.
Despite doing no harass with his opening reaver and losing his lot filled shuttle for nothing he was still an unscouted base up with a large supply advantage and 3 gate carriers warping in. The downfall came when he threw his army away in a horribly executed attack at 14:19. + Show Spoiler + His storms were pathetic, which is bad in itself, but he also didn't pull his goons back after the lot wall was gone. He went from being 25 supply up to 5 down, and lost all of his gas units. Complicating the matter, stork didn't waypoint his gateways to somewhere safe afterwards and he ended up losing most of his reinforcements for nothing when the push moved outside his nat.
Fantasy still only had the 2 golies he had used against the shuttle so it wasn't like the carriers were a bad idea, but you really need an army to support them with and stork had nothing. From this point on he should have been dead but fantasy really seemed to want to give the win back. He refused to push into stork's main despite it only having 3 goons for defense and instead turreted stork's natural up and then expoed into it despite it being damn near empty. He also responded poorly to the dt harass and it took him forever to scout around for other bases. Stork ended up going from about 60 supply down to damn near even in supply and yet he was never remotely close in base count. Considering how long he lasted on nothing i think he would have had an easy time finishing fantasy up with his superior carrier/army play but we'll never know.
Fantasy deserves a standing ovation for his third game though. Stork made some mistakes but it isn't the kind of play you can easily work your way out of. He was under pressure every second of that game and i don't blame him for slowly crumbling down.
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My favorite commentator comment in the 3rd game was when he said (not sure if this is completely correct) "People wont only think of this as the era of flash! Fantasy is a good terran too!" or something to that extent. Made me chuckle.
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On January 30 2011 11:55 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 11:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:On January 30 2011 07:42 ArvickHero wrote:On January 30 2011 05:35 StorkHwaiting wrote:On January 30 2011 05:19 tedster wrote:
Couple things:
A.) Stork did not actually play poorly at all. He made almost no real mistakes and micro'd extremely well, had great storms, etc. Fantasy, on the other hand, read him like a fucking book and outplayed him straight up at every segment of the game.
B.) Games 2 and 3 especially featured Stork losing without actually making a clear mistake at all. The preemptive wraith => shuttle snipe was just an amazing read from Fanta coupled with a sick followup that he had planned from the start (and would be strong against virtually any opening from Stork) and in game 3 Fantasy performed probably the sickest terrain-based harass I have ever seen in a pro match. Stork was manhandled and he didn't even play poorly (despite the 0-3 record).
C.) That was the most dominating series I have seen in an OSL since July vs. Best. Even with the g1 tank snipe Fantasy was always completely on top of Stork and essentially threw him around like a ragdoll for the rest of the series. What? You mean expect for the fact he picked absolutely horrible builds that played directly into Fantasy's hand and insisted on going carriers even though he already saw goli range with +atk upgrades spinning at armory when he came in with his first reaver?? Micro's not everything buddy. In fact, it's only a very tiny part of the game. If you don't understand how horribly Stork played from a bo5 perspective, then you should reanalyze the way you think about SC. The wraith wasn't a fantastic read. It was an easy guess because Stork apparently thinks he can go standard play every game and win. Fantasy did blind counter builds both games. He didn't read anything. Nor was it a very sick followup. It was a basic slow tank/vulture push that Stork had zero chance of stopping after losing his shuttle. In summary, Fantasy did nothing except snipe two shuttles then laugh as Stork's normal greedy 3 base play got wrecked due to not having reaver/shuttle for defense. You're using a whole bunch of hyperbole to compliment play that was really not all that special. Stork lost this series much more than Fantasy won it. Stork's builds weren't horrible, they were the standard response and extremely good against Rax FE normally -_- the reason why he's dominated PvT so hard lately was because of that build he was using. Ofc, Stork should've been wiser to slam down more gates after losing his shuttle, since that's the crux of his play in PvT early-midgame to shut down any aggression. It fuckin annoys me that you are trying to belittle Fantasy's achievements like this. If it were any other Terran that wasn't Flash, Stork would've probably won this series handily. Fantasy did perfect timing attacks and did some of the most beautiful harass in game 3 that would've torn apart anyone that hadn't practiced for that scenario before. Fantasy's achievements? I'm glad you're fuckin annoyed, because trying to claim Fantasy achieved anything other than showing up is a joke. Game 1 Fanta gave away his first tank, let Stork get 4 bases up unopposed, got raped by storms and was down 35 supply until Stork went carriers. Unfortunately, Stork was retarded enough to go carriers while seeing the entire time that Fanta was going the old Flash style quick mech upgrades into mass goli. You call that a perfect timing attack? Good play? And even while being way ahead after taking down Stork's nat and third, Fantasy gave up a 40 supply lead because he couldn't control his army well enough to deal with Stork's DT harassment. In essence, he played a far, FAR from perfect game. It's just that Stork played like a moron. The second game, Stork gave away his shuttle again, and then never got his third up due to closer spawn positions and vulture aggression. So he sat there like an idiot while Fanta slow pushed because he depends on reaver shuttle for defense and he had no shuttle. Again, what did Fanta do that was so great? Lay mines? Prevent the third? By the time Stork even attempted to break the contain, Fanta had 4 turrets, a bunker, 12 tanks, and a CC at Stork's nat. This is amazing play? It's pretty easy to decide on a timing attack when you kill his reaver harass without losing anything, and then you see him warping in his third, and you just played against this same exact build last game. But, apparently, attacking someone who's trying to quick take their third after a failed reaver tech is amazing star sense. And it takes perfect execution to push against a Toss player that doesn't even attempt to break the tank line. Game 3 stork acted like he'd never seen a dropship before. He built his obs and scouting pylons in range of tanks OUTSIDE his base. And he had ages to realize that fanta was using a drop ship because Fanta continually showed it while shooting at him over the wall with tanks. Stork's response was to ...drop zealots on vultures. I don't think it could be any more obvious that Stork didn't prepare much for this series. If you can refrain from just using superlatives and gushing over Fanta, maybe you can point out what he did do that's so amazing and breathtaking. That might convince me more than telling me how upset you are. Fantasy's achievements? I'm glad you're fuckin annoyed, because trying to claim Fantasy achieved anything other than showing up is a joke. He Played a near flawless series and won an OSL. Game 1 Fanta gave away his first tank, let Stork get 4 bases up unopposed, got raped by storms and was down 35 supply until Stork went carriers , and yet used a build that compensated for all of this. Fantasy's strategy made it look like the seasoned verteranUnfortunately, Stork was retarded enough to go carriers while seeing the entire time that Fanta was going the old Flash style quick mech upgrades into mass goli. fantasy knew what build stork was going to use (as shown in game 2 when stork got the +1 air again) and it was that preparation knowlage of an opponent that resulted inand You call that a perfect timing attack ?and Good play ? And even while being way ahead from his genius strategy after taking down Stork's nat and third, the ability of stork still managed to caused Fantasy gave up a 40 supply lead because he couldn't control his army well enough to deal with Stork's DT harassment. In essence, he played a far, FAR from perfect game. It's just that Stork played like a moron well enough to keep it competitive, just not enough to overcome the extreme BO deficit fantasy caused. The second game, Stork was forced to watch fantasy takegave away his shuttle again, and then never got his third up due to closer spawn positions and fantasy's unparalleled vulture aggression. So he sat thereFantasy made the best and most consistent protoss in the world look like an idiot while Fanta slow pushed because he depends on reaver shuttle for defense and he had no shuttle because fantasy's strategy was specifically calibrated to counter such a reaver harass/defense. Again, what did Fanta dodid that was so great ? Lay mines? Prevent the third? was to snipe the two units that are instrumental to storks success in the mid game (and has the skill to win with just these, see the game vs hiya) using a build that worked due to a complete understanding of stork's style. This complete meta game domination of a player that has been around for years meant that By the time Stork even attempted to break the contain, Fanta had 4 turrets, a bunker, 12 tanks, and a CC at Stork's nat. This is amazing play ? both inside and outside of the the game istself.It's pretty easy to decide on a timing attack when you kill his reaver harass without losing anything a situation caused by fantasy's BO, and then you see him warping in his third, and you just played against this same exact build last game a build that stork has been using for over a year and no other player in the world has solved (other than flash to some extent). But, apparently, attacking someone who's trying to quick take their third after a failed reaver tech all due to your starting BO is amazing star sense. And it takes perfect execution in the beginning of the game to later push against a Toss player that doesn't even have a chance toattempt to break the tank line. Game 3 fantasy's dropship play was so good that his opponent was baffled, and stork acted like he'd never seen a dropship before. He built his obs and scouting pylons in range of tanks OUTSIDE his base which fantasy was quick to take advantage of (either that was something that fantasy discovered during practice that none of stork's practice partners saw, or something that fantasy just noticed in game. Either are impressive). And he had ages to realize that fanta was using a drop ship because Fanta continually showed it while shooting at him over the wall with tanks but fantasy's mechanics were just too good to counter. Stork's response was to ...drop zealots on vultures because he was out of other options. I don't think it could be any more obvious that Stork didn't prepare much for this series Fantasy, with the help of the SKT T1 coaching staff, was one of the most well prepared finalists in OSL history. If you can refrain from just using superlatives and gushing over Fanta, maybe you can point out what he did do that's so amazing and breathtaking then you either have no emotions, or do not understand brood war and its history over the past 5 years That might convince me more than telling me how upset you are. Fantasy is a god among men, and we all hope to see more amazing strategy and dropship play for years to come (until he raises ssak up into the next great SKT T1 Terran)+ Show Spoiler +I would have liked to finish this faster, but i'm slow
It's interesting to note the Fantasy fanboys think it's incredibly impressive to predict Stork will go carriers. And that copying Flash's anti-carrier build after declaring in interviews that Flash is your practice partner is an impressive feat.
But I guess in your world killing an undefended shuttle with a wraith when the shuttle moves straight into you is a difficult task.
If Fanta fanboys are horribly impressed that he built AA units besides marines, congrats to them. I think anyone with a sane mind would see that Stork did not show up to this series.
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On January 30 2011 12:52 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 11:55 hacklebeast wrote:On January 30 2011 11:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:On January 30 2011 07:42 ArvickHero wrote:On January 30 2011 05:35 StorkHwaiting wrote:On January 30 2011 05:19 tedster wrote:
Couple things:
A.) Stork did not actually play poorly at all. He made almost no real mistakes and micro'd extremely well, had great storms, etc. Fantasy, on the other hand, read him like a fucking book and outplayed him straight up at every segment of the game.
B.) Games 2 and 3 especially featured Stork losing without actually making a clear mistake at all. The preemptive wraith => shuttle snipe was just an amazing read from Fanta coupled with a sick followup that he had planned from the start (and would be strong against virtually any opening from Stork) and in game 3 Fantasy performed probably the sickest terrain-based harass I have ever seen in a pro match. Stork was manhandled and he didn't even play poorly (despite the 0-3 record).
C.) That was the most dominating series I have seen in an OSL since July vs. Best. Even with the g1 tank snipe Fantasy was always completely on top of Stork and essentially threw him around like a ragdoll for the rest of the series. What? You mean expect for the fact he picked absolutely horrible builds that played directly into Fantasy's hand and insisted on going carriers even though he already saw goli range with +atk upgrades spinning at armory when he came in with his first reaver?? Micro's not everything buddy. In fact, it's only a very tiny part of the game. If you don't understand how horribly Stork played from a bo5 perspective, then you should reanalyze the way you think about SC. The wraith wasn't a fantastic read. It was an easy guess because Stork apparently thinks he can go standard play every game and win. Fantasy did blind counter builds both games. He didn't read anything. Nor was it a very sick followup. It was a basic slow tank/vulture push that Stork had zero chance of stopping after losing his shuttle. In summary, Fantasy did nothing except snipe two shuttles then laugh as Stork's normal greedy 3 base play got wrecked due to not having reaver/shuttle for defense. You're using a whole bunch of hyperbole to compliment play that was really not all that special. Stork lost this series much more than Fantasy won it. Stork's builds weren't horrible, they were the standard response and extremely good against Rax FE normally -_- the reason why he's dominated PvT so hard lately was because of that build he was using. Ofc, Stork should've been wiser to slam down more gates after losing his shuttle, since that's the crux of his play in PvT early-midgame to shut down any aggression. It fuckin annoys me that you are trying to belittle Fantasy's achievements like this. If it were any other Terran that wasn't Flash, Stork would've probably won this series handily. Fantasy did perfect timing attacks and did some of the most beautiful harass in game 3 that would've torn apart anyone that hadn't practiced for that scenario before. Fantasy's achievements? I'm glad you're fuckin annoyed, because trying to claim Fantasy achieved anything other than showing up is a joke. Game 1 Fanta gave away his first tank, let Stork get 4 bases up unopposed, got raped by storms and was down 35 supply until Stork went carriers. Unfortunately, Stork was retarded enough to go carriers while seeing the entire time that Fanta was going the old Flash style quick mech upgrades into mass goli. You call that a perfect timing attack? Good play? And even while being way ahead after taking down Stork's nat and third, Fantasy gave up a 40 supply lead because he couldn't control his army well enough to deal with Stork's DT harassment. In essence, he played a far, FAR from perfect game. It's just that Stork played like a moron. The second game, Stork gave away his shuttle again, and then never got his third up due to closer spawn positions and vulture aggression. So he sat there like an idiot while Fanta slow pushed because he depends on reaver shuttle for defense and he had no shuttle. Again, what did Fanta do that was so great? Lay mines? Prevent the third? By the time Stork even attempted to break the contain, Fanta had 4 turrets, a bunker, 12 tanks, and a CC at Stork's nat. This is amazing play? It's pretty easy to decide on a timing attack when you kill his reaver harass without losing anything, and then you see him warping in his third, and you just played against this same exact build last game. But, apparently, attacking someone who's trying to quick take their third after a failed reaver tech is amazing star sense. And it takes perfect execution to push against a Toss player that doesn't even attempt to break the tank line. Game 3 stork acted like he'd never seen a dropship before. He built his obs and scouting pylons in range of tanks OUTSIDE his base. And he had ages to realize that fanta was using a drop ship because Fanta continually showed it while shooting at him over the wall with tanks. Stork's response was to ...drop zealots on vultures. I don't think it could be any more obvious that Stork didn't prepare much for this series. If you can refrain from just using superlatives and gushing over Fanta, maybe you can point out what he did do that's so amazing and breathtaking. That might convince me more than telling me how upset you are. Fantasy's achievements? I'm glad you're fuckin annoyed, because trying to claim Fantasy achieved anything other than showing up is a joke. He Played a near flawless series and won an OSL. Game 1 Fanta gave away his first tank, let Stork get 4 bases up unopposed, got raped by storms and was down 35 supply until Stork went carriers , and yet used a build that compensated for all of this. Fantasy's strategy made it look like the seasoned verteranUnfortunately, Stork was retarded enough to go carriers while seeing the entire time that Fanta was going the old Flash style quick mech upgrades into mass goli. fantasy knew what build stork was going to use (as shown in game 2 when stork got the +1 air again) and it was that preparation knowlage of an opponent that resulted inand You call that a perfect timing attack ?and Good play ? And even while being way ahead from his genius strategy after taking down Stork's nat and third, the ability of stork still managed to caused Fantasy gave up a 40 supply lead because he couldn't control his army well enough to deal with Stork's DT harassment. In essence, he played a far, FAR from perfect game. It's just that Stork played like a moron well enough to keep it competitive, just not enough to overcome the extreme BO deficit fantasy caused. The second game, Stork was forced to watch fantasy takegave away his shuttle again, and then never got his third up due to closer spawn positions and fantasy's unparalleled vulture aggression. So he sat thereFantasy made the best and most consistent protoss in the world look like an idiot while Fanta slow pushed because he depends on reaver shuttle for defense and he had no shuttle because fantasy's strategy was specifically calibrated to counter such a reaver harass/defense. Again, what did Fanta dodid that was so great ? Lay mines? Prevent the third? was to snipe the two units that are instrumental to storks success in the mid game (and has the skill to win with just these, see the game vs hiya) using a build that worked due to a complete understanding of stork's style. This complete meta game domination of a player that has been around for years meant that By the time Stork even attempted to break the contain, Fanta had 4 turrets, a bunker, 12 tanks, and a CC at Stork's nat. This is amazing play ? both inside and outside of the the game istself.It's pretty easy to decide on a timing attack when you kill his reaver harass without losing anything a situation caused by fantasy's BO, and then you see him warping in his third, and you just played against this same exact build last game a build that stork has been using for over a year and no other player in the world has solved (other than flash to some extent). But, apparently, attacking someone who's trying to quick take their third after a failed reaver tech all due to your starting BO is amazing star sense. And it takes perfect execution in the beginning of the game to later push against a Toss player that doesn't even have a chance toattempt to break the tank line. Game 3 fantasy's dropship play was so good that his opponent was baffled, and stork acted like he'd never seen a dropship before. He built his obs and scouting pylons in range of tanks OUTSIDE his base which fantasy was quick to take advantage of (either that was something that fantasy discovered during practice that none of stork's practice partners saw, or something that fantasy just noticed in game. Either are impressive). And he had ages to realize that fanta was using a drop ship because Fanta continually showed it while shooting at him over the wall with tanks but fantasy's mechanics were just too good to counter. Stork's response was to ...drop zealots on vultures because he was out of other options. I don't think it could be any more obvious that Stork didn't prepare much for this series Fantasy, with the help of the SKT T1 coaching staff, was one of the most well prepared finalists in OSL history. If you can refrain from just using superlatives and gushing over Fanta, maybe you can point out what he did do that's so amazing and breathtaking then you either have no emotions, or do not understand brood war and its history over the past 5 years That might convince me more than telling me how upset you are. Fantasy is a god among men, and we all hope to see more amazing strategy and dropship play for years to come (until he raises ssak up into the next great SKT T1 Terran)+ Show Spoiler +I would have liked to finish this faster, but i'm slow It's interesting to note the Fantasy fanboys think it's incredibly impressive to predict Stork will go carriers. And that copying Flash's anti-carrier build after declaring in interviews that Flash is your practice partner is an impressive feat. Sad you spent a lot of time trying to splice in a bunch of words that are purely opinion based adjectives, yet really never put together a decent argument. I guess in your world killing an undefended shuttle with a wraith when the shuttle moves straight into you is a difficult task. Sorry if I'm not horribly impressed that Fantasy decided to make anti-air units besides marines.
If beating stork is as easy as building a wraith, then why is he the best (or second best if BeSt happens to be doing well) PvT player? Part of being a great player is making good players look bad. Flash did it to Jaedong a lot last year. Stork has been one of the most consistent players over the past three years, so either all of his skill magically vanished, or fantasy played a great game. I vote the latter, but If you are convinced stork is a scrub, well ok then.
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On January 30 2011 12:52 StorkHwaiting wrote:
It's interesting to note the Fantasy fanboys think it's incredibly impressive to predict Stork will go carriers. And that copying Flash's anti-carrier build after declaring in interviews that Flash is your practice partner is an impressive feat.
But I guess in your world killing an undefended shuttle with a wraith when the shuttle moves straight into you is a difficult task.
If Fanta fanboys are horribly impressed that he built AA units besides marines, congrats to them. I think anyone with a sane mind would see that Stork did not show up to this series.
actually fantasy told flash not to practice with stork (although stork didn't want to practice with flash anyway). He didn't practice with Flash (who doesn't play protoss).
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StorkHwaiting you are disgustingly bitter from the rape Stork received, you should give up posting for a day or so.
Only a (very angry) Stork fanboy can brush off Fantasy's play from this series, especially game 3. The harass play and how Fantasy manipulated Stork's forces and the map was simply beautiful.
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On January 30 2011 13:05 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 12:52 StorkHwaiting wrote:On January 30 2011 11:55 hacklebeast wrote:On January 30 2011 11:00 StorkHwaiting wrote:On January 30 2011 07:42 ArvickHero wrote:On January 30 2011 05:35 StorkHwaiting wrote:On January 30 2011 05:19 tedster wrote:
Couple things:
A.) Stork did not actually play poorly at all. He made almost no real mistakes and micro'd extremely well, had great storms, etc. Fantasy, on the other hand, read him like a fucking book and outplayed him straight up at every segment of the game.
B.) Games 2 and 3 especially featured Stork losing without actually making a clear mistake at all. The preemptive wraith => shuttle snipe was just an amazing read from Fanta coupled with a sick followup that he had planned from the start (and would be strong against virtually any opening from Stork) and in game 3 Fantasy performed probably the sickest terrain-based harass I have ever seen in a pro match. Stork was manhandled and he didn't even play poorly (despite the 0-3 record).
C.) That was the most dominating series I have seen in an OSL since July vs. Best. Even with the g1 tank snipe Fantasy was always completely on top of Stork and essentially threw him around like a ragdoll for the rest of the series. What? You mean expect for the fact he picked absolutely horrible builds that played directly into Fantasy's hand and insisted on going carriers even though he already saw goli range with +atk upgrades spinning at armory when he came in with his first reaver?? Micro's not everything buddy. In fact, it's only a very tiny part of the game. If you don't understand how horribly Stork played from a bo5 perspective, then you should reanalyze the way you think about SC. The wraith wasn't a fantastic read. It was an easy guess because Stork apparently thinks he can go standard play every game and win. Fantasy did blind counter builds both games. He didn't read anything. Nor was it a very sick followup. It was a basic slow tank/vulture push that Stork had zero chance of stopping after losing his shuttle. In summary, Fantasy did nothing except snipe two shuttles then laugh as Stork's normal greedy 3 base play got wrecked due to not having reaver/shuttle for defense. You're using a whole bunch of hyperbole to compliment play that was really not all that special. Stork lost this series much more than Fantasy won it. Stork's builds weren't horrible, they were the standard response and extremely good against Rax FE normally -_- the reason why he's dominated PvT so hard lately was because of that build he was using. Ofc, Stork should've been wiser to slam down more gates after losing his shuttle, since that's the crux of his play in PvT early-midgame to shut down any aggression. It fuckin annoys me that you are trying to belittle Fantasy's achievements like this. If it were any other Terran that wasn't Flash, Stork would've probably won this series handily. Fantasy did perfect timing attacks and did some of the most beautiful harass in game 3 that would've torn apart anyone that hadn't practiced for that scenario before. Fantasy's achievements? I'm glad you're fuckin annoyed, because trying to claim Fantasy achieved anything other than showing up is a joke. Game 1 Fanta gave away his first tank, let Stork get 4 bases up unopposed, got raped by storms and was down 35 supply until Stork went carriers. Unfortunately, Stork was retarded enough to go carriers while seeing the entire time that Fanta was going the old Flash style quick mech upgrades into mass goli. You call that a perfect timing attack? Good play? And even while being way ahead after taking down Stork's nat and third, Fantasy gave up a 40 supply lead because he couldn't control his army well enough to deal with Stork's DT harassment. In essence, he played a far, FAR from perfect game. It's just that Stork played like a moron. The second game, Stork gave away his shuttle again, and then never got his third up due to closer spawn positions and vulture aggression. So he sat there like an idiot while Fanta slow pushed because he depends on reaver shuttle for defense and he had no shuttle. Again, what did Fanta do that was so great? Lay mines? Prevent the third? By the time Stork even attempted to break the contain, Fanta had 4 turrets, a bunker, 12 tanks, and a CC at Stork's nat. This is amazing play? It's pretty easy to decide on a timing attack when you kill his reaver harass without losing anything, and then you see him warping in his third, and you just played against this same exact build last game. But, apparently, attacking someone who's trying to quick take their third after a failed reaver tech is amazing star sense. And it takes perfect execution to push against a Toss player that doesn't even attempt to break the tank line. Game 3 stork acted like he'd never seen a dropship before. He built his obs and scouting pylons in range of tanks OUTSIDE his base. And he had ages to realize that fanta was using a drop ship because Fanta continually showed it while shooting at him over the wall with tanks. Stork's response was to ...drop zealots on vultures. I don't think it could be any more obvious that Stork didn't prepare much for this series. If you can refrain from just using superlatives and gushing over Fanta, maybe you can point out what he did do that's so amazing and breathtaking. That might convince me more than telling me how upset you are. Fantasy's achievements? I'm glad you're fuckin annoyed, because trying to claim Fantasy achieved anything other than showing up is a joke. He Played a near flawless series and won an OSL. Game 1 Fanta gave away his first tank, let Stork get 4 bases up unopposed, got raped by storms and was down 35 supply until Stork went carriers , and yet used a build that compensated for all of this. Fantasy's strategy made it look like the seasoned verteranUnfortunately, Stork was retarded enough to go carriers while seeing the entire time that Fanta was going the old Flash style quick mech upgrades into mass goli. fantasy knew what build stork was going to use (as shown in game 2 when stork got the +1 air again) and it was that preparation knowlage of an opponent that resulted inand You call that a perfect timing attack ?and Good play ? And even while being way ahead from his genius strategy after taking down Stork's nat and third, the ability of stork still managed to caused Fantasy gave up a 40 supply lead because he couldn't control his army well enough to deal with Stork's DT harassment. In essence, he played a far, FAR from perfect game. It's just that Stork played like a moron well enough to keep it competitive, just not enough to overcome the extreme BO deficit fantasy caused. The second game, Stork was forced to watch fantasy takegave away his shuttle again, and then never got his third up due to closer spawn positions and fantasy's unparalleled vulture aggression. So he sat thereFantasy made the best and most consistent protoss in the world look like an idiot while Fanta slow pushed because he depends on reaver shuttle for defense and he had no shuttle because fantasy's strategy was specifically calibrated to counter such a reaver harass/defense. Again, what did Fanta dodid that was so great ? Lay mines? Prevent the third? was to snipe the two units that are instrumental to storks success in the mid game (and has the skill to win with just these, see the game vs hiya) using a build that worked due to a complete understanding of stork's style. This complete meta game domination of a player that has been around for years meant that By the time Stork even attempted to break the contain, Fanta had 4 turrets, a bunker, 12 tanks, and a CC at Stork's nat. This is amazing play ? both inside and outside of the the game istself.It's pretty easy to decide on a timing attack when you kill his reaver harass without losing anything a situation caused by fantasy's BO, and then you see him warping in his third, and you just played against this same exact build last game a build that stork has been using for over a year and no other player in the world has solved (other than flash to some extent). But, apparently, attacking someone who's trying to quick take their third after a failed reaver tech all due to your starting BO is amazing star sense. And it takes perfect execution in the beginning of the game to later push against a Toss player that doesn't even have a chance toattempt to break the tank line. Game 3 fantasy's dropship play was so good that his opponent was baffled, and stork acted like he'd never seen a dropship before. He built his obs and scouting pylons in range of tanks OUTSIDE his base which fantasy was quick to take advantage of (either that was something that fantasy discovered during practice that none of stork's practice partners saw, or something that fantasy just noticed in game. Either are impressive). And he had ages to realize that fanta was using a drop ship because Fanta continually showed it while shooting at him over the wall with tanks but fantasy's mechanics were just too good to counter. Stork's response was to ...drop zealots on vultures because he was out of other options. I don't think it could be any more obvious that Stork didn't prepare much for this series Fantasy, with the help of the SKT T1 coaching staff, was one of the most well prepared finalists in OSL history. If you can refrain from just using superlatives and gushing over Fanta, maybe you can point out what he did do that's so amazing and breathtaking then you either have no emotions, or do not understand brood war and its history over the past 5 years That might convince me more than telling me how upset you are. Fantasy is a god among men, and we all hope to see more amazing strategy and dropship play for years to come (until he raises ssak up into the next great SKT T1 Terran)+ Show Spoiler +I would have liked to finish this faster, but i'm slow It's interesting to note the Fantasy fanboys think it's incredibly impressive to predict Stork will go carriers. And that copying Flash's anti-carrier build after declaring in interviews that Flash is your practice partner is an impressive feat. Sad you spent a lot of time trying to splice in a bunch of words that are purely opinion based adjectives, yet really never put together a decent argument. I guess in your world killing an undefended shuttle with a wraith when the shuttle moves straight into you is a difficult task. Sorry if I'm not horribly impressed that Fantasy decided to make anti-air units besides marines. If beating stork is as easy as building a wraith, then why is he the best (or second best if BeSt happens to be doing well) PvT player? Part of being a great player is making good players look bad. Flash did it to Jaedong a lot last year. Stork has been one of the most consistent players over the past three years, so either all of his skill magically vanished, or fantasy played a great game. I vote the latter, but If you are convinced stork is a scrub, well ok then.
Personally, I think SKT1's coaching staff, Stork's breakup with his gf, and Stork's arrogance had as much if not more to do with it than Fantasy's skill. That's all. If you want to chalk it all up to Fanta's brilliance, that's your call to make, but I just think otherwise.
Just look at the many thing Stork could have done different. He watched Fanta go golis in game 1. In game 2, he should guess there's SOME type of AA waiting, yet he doesn't adjust at all. Just goes straight in again with his reaver/shuttle. Doesn't even load up a goon with it in case of wraith. In third game, instead of going reaver/shuttle in the one game where he probably should have to deal with the insane harass, he goes shuttle/zeal and just wanders around like a lost puppy clueless how to deal with a single dropship.
Even the TL analysts made this call before the series started. So many of the TL members mentioned Stork's obvious vulnerability to dropship play a la Hiya's one win in their series. Yet, does it look like Stork practiced at all vs dropships? Even a chobo could tell map 3 was perfectly designed for drop ships and siege tanks with the way it's constructed. It's incomprehensible to me how Stork could be that ill-prepared for that type of play, irregardless of how well Fantasy executed it. If Stork had responded better or showed even an inkling of brilliance, I'd be more inclined to give Fantasy some respect, but he didn't. Stork played like a doofus and that's what makes it hard for me to credit Fanta much. It'll always be down to opinion whether or not you think Stork looked bad coz fanta was so good, but from what I saw, it wasn't flawless play from Stork at all. And in game one, which was the only one that expanded into a macro game where the build order win could be mitigated some, Stork nearly came back to win it because Fanta was just not that good.
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Gah, of all the nights to be away from my PC. Thanks Moktira for uploading all the matches, and in particular, for ensuring you spoilered the result.
I didn't see this result coming at all, though you'd have to say that Stork's recent form had ominously dipped in his MSL exit.
Stork looked to me like he was off his usual game a bit and Fantasy was very well prepared for him.
So heartening to see a big enthusiastic crowd and nearly 200 pages in this thread!
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