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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 15:08:21
January 09 2011 15:07 GMT
#2521
On January 09 2011 23:04 Ricjames wrote:
That's why Flash style is gay, no matter what you do, how hard you try to harass. He just fucking waits and not do anything. Then he just rolls you over, every single TvP he win. Doing nothing...useful talent toi have. Seems like doing nothing while getting upgrades is the best strategy lately.

SKT why the hell would you send out Best in first game...

Yeah Flash only turtles and Best would have won.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
January 09 2011 16:14 GMT
#2522
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 10 2011 00:07 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 23:04 Ricjames wrote:
That's why Flash style is gay, no matter what you do, how hard you try to harass. He just fucking waits and not do anything. Then he just rolls you over, every single TvP he win. Doing nothing...useful talent toi have. Seems like doing nothing while getting upgrades is the best strategy lately.

SKT why the hell would you send out Best in first game...

Yeah Flash only turtles and Best would have won.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmBBt1Waxcc&feature=player_embedded


Stylish of course i exaggerated, not every single one but 2 our of 3. You taking it too seriously. Best is pretty weak lately and send him to first the game is the good way to set the team into negative start. I did not say he woul be able to snipe Flash. Flash is still the best player overall, that's why i hate him probably - cause he kills my heroes too much. (and thanks to him i have to play freakin hours long PvT games against people who never cross their half of the map until they get 3-3)
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
Monkeyshark
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 16:31:19
January 09 2011 16:28 GMT
#2523
On January 09 2011 23:04 Ricjames wrote:
That's why Flash style is gay, no matter what you do, how hard you try to harass. He just fucking waits and not do anything. Then he just rolls you over, every single TvP he win. Doing nothing...useful talent toi have. Seems like doing nothing while getting upgrades is the best strategy lately.

SKT why the hell would you send out Best in first game...
ohh well, well played KTFlash


You seems like those Flash haters who just hate for who he is.

Waits and do nothing? You clearly don't think that right? If it was that easy to turtle then every terran should get wins easy. Do you complain too when Zerg turtle on 5hatch 3 base vs protoss?

On January 10 2011 01:14 Ricjames wrote:
[(and thanks to him i have to play freakin hours long PvT games against people who never cross their half of the map until they get 3-3)


That, in my opinion, is bullshit. Low level terran mostly turtles because they can't control their units well. But this is me assuming you're a d to d+ player.
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
January 09 2011 16:36 GMT
#2524
Lets just say, out of all the title winners and PL destroyers these days, Flash is the most turtle-ish one. That makes me and many people bored and angry.
Monkeyshark
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
January 09 2011 16:47 GMT
#2525
On January 10 2011 01:36 zenMaster wrote:
Lets just say, out of all the title winners and PL destroyers these days, Flash is the most turtle-ish one. That makes me and many people bored and angry.


And that seems to be an exaggeration. In the past year when he was winning Starleagues and destroying PL, he was playing more than turtling. Sure he turtled some games but there's more exciting game that people just didn't watch because they hate them for destroying their favorite player.

Hell he even said in his interview that he tried to make things exciting for the audience to watch. But haters gotta hate.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 09 2011 19:17 GMT
#2526
On January 10 2011 01:36 zenMaster wrote:
Lets just say, out of all the title winners and PL destroyers these days, Flash is the most turtle-ish one. That makes me and many people bored and angry.


Do you remember Firebats in the game vs Free... Yeap, it was TvP.

Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
January 09 2011 19:35 GMT
#2527
most turtle-ish one

Seems like you saw only few of his games and you judgments based on some TL rumors. He vary his play-style quite a lot.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 09 2011 21:08 GMT
#2528
Ricjames i wasn't soo serious.
But seriously Flash has changed his playstyle alot since 2008.
He is one of the few players who can play every style and does every style better than any other terran. Thats why he is so good.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 10 2011 00:10 GMT
#2529
On January 10 2011 01:14 Ricjames wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 10 2011 00:07 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 23:04 Ricjames wrote:
That's why Flash style is gay, no matter what you do, how hard you try to harass. He just fucking waits and not do anything. Then he just rolls you over, every single TvP he win. Doing nothing...useful talent toi have. Seems like doing nothing while getting upgrades is the best strategy lately.

SKT why the hell would you send out Best in first game...

Yeah Flash only turtles and Best would have won.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmBBt1Waxcc&feature=player_embedded


Stylish of course i exaggerated, not every single one but 2 our of 3. You taking it too seriously. Best is pretty weak lately and send him to first the game is the good way to set the team into negative start. I did not say he woul be able to snipe Flash. Flash is still the best player overall, that's why i hate him probably - cause he kills my heroes too much. (and thanks to him i have to play freakin hours long PvT games against people who never cross their half of the map until they get 3-3)


Flash has been the most aggressive player in all three TvX matchups for the past year. I have no idea why people like you keep insinuating he does nothing but turtles, or even turtles more often than he attacks. Sometimes you're forced to play defensively depending on what your opponent does, especially in the unfavored matchups (TvP, ZvT, PvZ).
Remember Violet.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3721 Posts
January 10 2011 00:14 GMT
#2530
On January 10 2011 09:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 01:14 Ricjames wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 10 2011 00:07 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 23:04 Ricjames wrote:
That's why Flash style is gay, no matter what you do, how hard you try to harass. He just fucking waits and not do anything. Then he just rolls you over, every single TvP he win. Doing nothing...useful talent toi have. Seems like doing nothing while getting upgrades is the best strategy lately.

SKT why the hell would you send out Best in first game...

Yeah Flash only turtles and Best would have won.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmBBt1Waxcc&feature=player_embedded


Stylish of course i exaggerated, not every single one but 2 our of 3. You taking it too seriously. Best is pretty weak lately and send him to first the game is the good way to set the team into negative start. I did not say he woul be able to snipe Flash. Flash is still the best player overall, that's why i hate him probably - cause he kills my heroes too much. (and thanks to him i have to play freakin hours long PvT games against people who never cross their half of the map until they get 3-3)


Flash has been the most aggressive player in all three TvX matchups for the past year. I have no idea why people like you keep insinuating he does nothing but turtles, or even turtles more often than he attacks. Sometimes you're forced to play defensively depending on what your opponent does, especially in the unfavored matchups (TvP, ZvT, PvZ).



Ya no doubt. Every one of those games were pretty intense for awhile until later when he pulled ahead. I really enjoyed watching. Especially against Fantasy.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 00:16:20
January 10 2011 00:15 GMT
#2531
On January 10 2011 09:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 01:14 Ricjames wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 10 2011 00:07 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 23:04 Ricjames wrote:
That's why Flash style is gay, no matter what you do, how hard you try to harass. He just fucking waits and not do anything. Then he just rolls you over, every single TvP he win. Doing nothing...useful talent toi have. Seems like doing nothing while getting upgrades is the best strategy lately.

SKT why the hell would you send out Best in first game...

Yeah Flash only turtles and Best would have won.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmBBt1Waxcc&feature=player_embedded


Stylish of course i exaggerated, not every single one but 2 our of 3. You taking it too seriously. Best is pretty weak lately and send him to first the game is the good way to set the team into negative start. I did not say he woul be able to snipe Flash. Flash is still the best player overall, that's why i hate him probably - cause he kills my heroes too much. (and thanks to him i have to play freakin hours long PvT games against people who never cross their half of the map until they get 3-3)


Flash has been the most aggressive player in all three TvX matchups for the past year. I have no idea why people like you keep insinuating he does nothing but turtles, or even turtles more often than he attacks. Sometimes you're forced to play defensively depending on what your opponent does, especially in the unfavored matchups (TvP, ZvT, PvZ).

TvP is not unfavored to Flash. That's how good he is.
Also, why was Bisu the Ace? Sure Ssak had an MSL match imminent, but isn't Bisu infamous for his appalling PvT?
Does anyone think Fantasy's idle SCV was game deciding?
☺
MeteorRise
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada611 Posts
January 10 2011 00:33 GMT
#2532
Damn, i wanted SKT to win so bad.
Damn you flash
Elegance, in all things.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 01:03:29
January 10 2011 01:02 GMT
#2533
On January 10 2011 09:15 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 09:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On January 10 2011 01:14 Ricjames wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 10 2011 00:07 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 23:04 Ricjames wrote:
That's why Flash style is gay, no matter what you do, how hard you try to harass. He just fucking waits and not do anything. Then he just rolls you over, every single TvP he win. Doing nothing...useful talent toi have. Seems like doing nothing while getting upgrades is the best strategy lately.

SKT why the hell would you send out Best in first game...

Yeah Flash only turtles and Best would have won.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmBBt1Waxcc&feature=player_embedded


Stylish of course i exaggerated, not every single one but 2 our of 3. You taking it too seriously. Best is pretty weak lately and send him to first the game is the good way to set the team into negative start. I did not say he woul be able to snipe Flash. Flash is still the best player overall, that's why i hate him probably - cause he kills my heroes too much. (and thanks to him i have to play freakin hours long PvT games against people who never cross their half of the map until they get 3-3)


Flash has been the most aggressive player in all three TvX matchups for the past year. I have no idea why people like you keep insinuating he does nothing but turtles, or even turtles more often than he attacks. Sometimes you're forced to play defensively depending on what your opponent does, especially in the unfavored matchups (TvP, ZvT, PvZ).


Does anyone think Fantasy's idle SCV was game deciding?


Not really, he ended up mining out that expansion anyway
Monkeyshark
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
January 10 2011 01:19 GMT
#2534
On January 10 2011 09:15 Release wrote:

Also, why was Bisu the Ace? Sure Ssak had an MSL match imminent, but isn't Bisu infamous for his appalling PvT?

Bisu isn't the "Ace", he's just the fourth player to come out. In winners league you can't send out a player that you have sent before so Best, Fantasy, and Ssak is already out of the question. Who else would they have send? Hyuk or Kwanro or Bisu? Maybe by.sun should have went into the booth instead of Bisu.
tabula rasa
Profile Joined December 2010
360 Posts
January 10 2011 01:46 GMT
#2535
On January 09 2011 23:04 Ricjames wrote:
That's why Flash style is gay, no matter what you do, how hard you try to harass. He just fucking waits and not do anything. Then he just rolls you over, every single TvP he win. Doing nothing...useful talent toi have. Seems like doing nothing while getting upgrades is the best strategy lately.

Flash attacked Fantasy first. Since he was going to lose his 10 and 11 o'clock bases, Fantasy had to attack Flash's 3 o'clock. That's when the tides turned.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
January 10 2011 02:38 GMT
#2536
On January 10 2011 10:19 Monkeyshark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 09:15 Release wrote:

Also, why was Bisu the Ace? Sure Ssak had an MSL match imminent, but isn't Bisu infamous for his appalling PvT?

Bisu isn't the "Ace", he's just the fourth player to come out. In winners league you can't send out a player that you have sent before so Best, Fantasy, and Ssak is already out of the question. Who else would they have send? Hyuk or Kwanro or Bisu? Maybe by.sun should have went into the booth instead of Bisu.

Im saying something like Bisu(or someone else) to play set 6 and Ssak to play set 7 or something like that.
☺
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 10 2011 02:49 GMT
#2537
On January 10 2011 11:38 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 10:19 Monkeyshark wrote:
On January 10 2011 09:15 Release wrote:

Also, why was Bisu the Ace? Sure Ssak had an MSL match imminent, but isn't Bisu infamous for his appalling PvT?

Bisu isn't the "Ace", he's just the fourth player to come out. In winners league you can't send out a player that you have sent before so Best, Fantasy, and Ssak is already out of the question. Who else would they have send? Hyuk or Kwanro or Bisu? Maybe by.sun should have went into the booth instead of Bisu.

Im saying something like Bisu(or someone else) to play set 6 and Ssak to play set 7 or something like that.

Less pressure on the rookie and more pressure on the seasoned player, I'm guessing. Maybe 2 TvT's and then 1 PvT is some kind of strategy.
:)
Trap
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States395 Posts
January 10 2011 02:56 GMT
#2538
I would think one of the T1 Zergs or even By.Sun would be a much better starter than Best. KT has several competent toss, their terran superstar, and no zergs worth mentioning. In the last winner's league KT rarely played Flash first and often reserved him for their 4th player. So it would make more sense to save T1's best vT players until they know they're up against Flash (Best, Fantasy) and lead with their better vP players (any of the zergs, Bisu).
coffeetoss | "Team Liquid Fantasy Proleague: Tales of Miserable Failure and Deep Regret" -Kanil
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 10 2011 03:16 GMT
#2539
If you want to speak turtle, watch Mind's games... Flash is actually one of the most exciting Terrans to watch.
[TLMS] REBOOT
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
January 10 2011 03:26 GMT
#2540
On January 09 2011 06:53 kwkwookw wrote:
bisu definitely played amazing from the beginning to middle of the game; but i still think bisu lacks inherent pvt game sense as seen from his questionable decision making towards the end. if bisu continued to capitalize on his lead, he could have won.


Lol some people really have no idea what they're talking about. It was a greedy build which saw him get 6 bases and a large amount of probes off little tech and little army. There was a timing Flash could abuse before bisu began mass gateway macro mode, which, with 6 baess, would have been near impossible to stop. Flash hit the timing before that happened, and thus won. Bisu took a calculated risk, knowing there would be a period where he was really weak but he'd be in an excellant position right after that. Flash just attacked exactly when he needed to.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
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