• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:54
CEST 19:54
KST 02:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent9Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues20LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments2Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris75
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Call Center Bank NEO 0822'606969 Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
The Korean Terminology Thread [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent FlaSh on ACS Winners being in ASL ASL20 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B [ASL20] Ro16 Group A BWCL Season 63 Announcement [IPSL] ISPL Season 1 Winter Qualis and Info!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
Nomor CS NeoBank 0822'606969 The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1206 users

[SWL] SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster - Page 129

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 127 128 129 130 Next
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 10 2011 09:15 GMT
#2561
Well, if that's the case then you're just being very silly, Lightwhip. It's actually even dumber criticism. It takes two to tango. If Flash goes for an attack and his opponent rolls over and dies to it without putting up much of a fight because he's a much worse player, is that Flash's fault? What's he supposed to do, delay his timing just so the game gets more entertaining? O_o

Don't criticize Flash for being so fucking good and being able to properly take advantage of his opponents weaknesses and instead tell his opponents to get better. In this case, put all the blame on Bisu. Really. You can't blame Flash for the fact he's better than his opponents.

Also, you would've orgasmed if Fantasy had played in that game vs Best.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 10 2011 09:25 GMT
#2562
I fail to see what about that should make me like him. He wins because his opponents do something questionable, therefore I should enjoy his play more? If I was discounting his achievements, that would be a different story, but I doubt I could do that right now.
Also no, I'd rather Best win, so if Fantasy did that, I would probably be disappointed.
What exactly about Flash is supposed to make me like him? Is it the fact that he might cheese, turtle, or 14CC-> timing attack in any game? Or is it his ability to make a hyped game less than what I'd want it to be? Sorry, but honestly, there are legitimate reasons not to like Flash, and saying "Sorry he's too good" doesn't make him more likable. Most of the greatest players except for oov were more enjoyable to watch in their time.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
January 10 2011 09:41 GMT
#2563
I've thought Flash was boring for awhile. He's good, don't get me wrong, but he's really fucking boring to watch.

I would much rather watch Sea or Fantasy if I'm watching a Terran but that's just personal preference.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 10 2011 10:09 GMT
#2564
I do not demand that you like Flash because of it, I ask that you don't try to attribute it to anything other than good old biased fanboyism. You can dislike Flash as much as you want to and you can be vocal about it, I don't care, just don't spew out nonsense in an attempt to back it up.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 10:19:36
January 10 2011 10:10 GMT
#2565
wrong thread
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 10 2011 10:49 GMT
#2566
On January 10 2011 19:09 Holgerius wrote:
I do not demand that you like Flash because of it, I ask that you don't try to attribute it to anything other than good old biased fanboyism. You can dislike Flash as much as you want to and you can be vocal about it, I don't care, just don't spew out nonsense in an attempt to back it up.

You're no beacon of objectivity either, as a Flash fanboy. There's legitimate reasons not to like your guy that aren't just 'fanboyism' that you don't want to admit. How do you think I grew to dislike him in the first place? Quite simply, he showed me a way of playing that I despise.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
January 10 2011 10:56 GMT
#2567
On January 10 2011 19:49 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 19:09 Holgerius wrote:
I do not demand that you like Flash because of it, I ask that you don't try to attribute it to anything other than good old biased fanboyism. You can dislike Flash as much as you want to and you can be vocal about it, I don't care, just don't spew out nonsense in an attempt to back it up.

You're no beacon of objectivity either, as a Flash fanboy. There's legitimate reasons not to like your guy that aren't just 'fanboyism' that you don't want to admit. How do you think I grew to dislike him in the first place? Quite simply, he showed me a way of playing that I despise.

You still don't get it do you? There is no difference between the way Flash plays and the way other progamers play. He just does it better.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 10 2011 11:07 GMT
#2568
On January 10 2011 19:49 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 19:09 Holgerius wrote:
I do not demand that you like Flash because of it, I ask that you don't try to attribute it to anything other than good old biased fanboyism. You can dislike Flash as much as you want to and you can be vocal about it, I don't care, just don't spew out nonsense in an attempt to back it up.

You're no beacon of objectivity either, as a Flash fanboy. There's legitimate reasons not to like your guy that aren't just 'fanboyism' that you don't want to admit. How do you think I grew to dislike him in the first place? Quite simply, he showed me a way of playing that I despise.

What way of playing? As has been said, Flash uses every possible style available, so what ''way of playing'' are you referring to? Playing good?

It does come down to pure fanboyism (which doesn't always have a logical explanation).
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Monkeyshark
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
January 10 2011 12:14 GMT
#2569
Ahh this thread is turning to the classic anti flash vs flash fan thread. It's never going to go anywhere when the anti are just mad about their favorites are being beaten by him.

Flash turtles? Fuck he's a little turtling bitch.
Flash timing attack? Why can't he win without doing something normal?
Flash cheese? What a cunt.
Flash plays normal? Holy shit he can't win without doing something interesting.
Flash does something interesting? It has been done before, what a fucking copy cat.
Flash lose? FUCK YEAH WHAT A FUCKING SHITTY PLAYER
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 10 2011 12:36 GMT
#2570
I think the problem, Lightwip, would be this quote of yours:


To be honest, he does ruin a lot of games with either a turtling strategies or ones that just win through superior macro/timing attacks.


You can dislike Flash as much as you like, but saying that he 'ruins' 'a lot of games' by winning through 'turtling' or 'superior macro' or 'timing attacks' is covering an awful lot of bases. Flash also has incredible M&M micro, do you hate it when he wins with superior micro, too? Is he ruining the game when he wins through M&M control vs Zerg?

Just admit you just don't like the guy and move on. There's no need to make up bullshit about Flash 'ruining' games by doing (insert any strategy ever).
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 10 2011 12:39 GMT
#2571
Exactly.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
shucklesors
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore1176 Posts
January 10 2011 12:45 GMT
#2572
its funny because the T1ers talk as though bisu is close to flash or something.
also, if you thought that last game was superbly ridiculous how flash managed to win even though being behind on bases, find the game where he used mech against jd on katrina. thats wat's ridiculous.
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
January 10 2011 14:40 GMT
#2573
On January 10 2011 21:36 Hinanawi wrote:
I think the problem, Lightwip, would be this quote of yours:

Show nested quote +

To be honest, he does ruin a lot of games with either a turtling strategies or ones that just win through superior macro/timing attacks.


You can dislike Flash as much as you like, but saying that he 'ruins' 'a lot of games' by winning through 'turtling' or 'superior macro' or 'timing attacks' is covering an awful lot of bases. Flash also has incredible M&M micro, do you hate it when he wins with superior micro, too? Is he ruining the game when he wins through M&M control vs Zerg?

Just admit you just don't like the guy and move on. There's no need to make up bullshit about Flash 'ruining' games by doing (insert any strategy ever).


Seconded.
KT Rolster for the win!! Lee-Young-Ho hwaiting!!
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 10 2011 14:41 GMT
#2574
its ok to like or not like flash ofcourse, but this whole turtle-terran thing is from 2008.
He might be boring to watch for some because his games are mostly onesided, but thats it.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Hazard
Profile Joined September 2009
Norway594 Posts
January 10 2011 14:59 GMT
#2575
Flash and JD did good at start but finish is what counts Bisu will be the one who does good at the finish!
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
January 10 2011 15:32 GMT
#2576
haters will hate. It's human tendency to come up with any "logical" argument just to prove they're right. fanboy and haters alike. But man it just gets annoying that every time Flash dominates threads are spammed with a crapload of haters.
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
January 10 2011 15:35 GMT
#2577
On January 11 2011 00:32 nozaro33 wrote:
haters will hate. It's human tendency to come up with any "logical" argument just to prove they're right. fanboy and haters alike. But man it just gets annoying that every time Flash dominates threads are spammed with a crapload of haters.

i love that everytime flash dominates the threads explode over the 100 sites.
shows me that there are still ppl interested in bw (i also think many ppl came back from sc2)
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
January 10 2011 16:00 GMT
#2578
- You had a really close game with Fantasy.
▲ Though my hands weren’t completely warmed up, it's true that Fantasy hyung also played very well. During the middle of the game, my hands finally loosened up and I thought to myself I would be able to come back, and because it was a situation where there was no one else that could play for my team, I think I exerted even more effort

And Flash with some lame excuses...ZZZZzzz!! Clearly, Fantasy played superbly....

iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3333 Posts
January 10 2011 16:11 GMT
#2579
On January 10 2011 21:45 shucklesors wrote:
its funny because the T1ers talk as though bisu is close to flash or something.
also, if you thought that last game was superbly ridiculous how flash managed to win even though being behind on bases, find the game where he used mech against jd on katrina. thats wat's ridiculous.

There was a whole article about meching vs zerg...
i think it was fantasy's final edit...
it talks specifically about this~
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80595
by Day[9] so it's legit~ :D
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
January 10 2011 16:19 GMT
#2580
Ahh you just got to love the fanboyism :-)
Prev 1 127 128 129 130 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 6m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 536
UpATreeSC 84
JuggernautJason40
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3812
Rain 1664
Shuttle 1500
EffOrt 1267
Larva 356
firebathero 253
ggaemo 175
TY 164
Mini 144
Hyuk 143
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 112
sSak 95
PianO 78
Leta 64
Mind 60
Soulkey 53
Sharp 49
Killer 45
Movie 28
Terrorterran 26
scan(afreeca) 19
Shine 9
Dota 2
Gorgc8131
qojqva3985
resolut1ontv 293
XcaliburYe168
League of Legends
Reynor124
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps658
Other Games
Grubby2572
FrodaN1355
ceh9471
Beastyqt375
Lowko278
B2W.Neo125
C9.Mang0102
SortOf88
QueenE59
MindelVK24
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1446
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH160
• davetesta4
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 13
• FirePhoenix11
• Michael_bg 5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV568
League of Legends
• Nemesis5442
• TFBlade800
Other Games
• imaqtpie678
• Shiphtur277
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
6h 6m
Kung Fu Cup
18h 6m
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
OSC
22h 6m
Moja vs Babymarine
Solar vs TBD
sOs vs goblin
Nice vs INexorable
sebesdes vs Iba
Nicoract vs TBD
NightMare vs TBD
OSC
1d 6h
ReBellioN vs PAPI
Spirit vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
Shameless vs UedSoldier
Cham vs TBD
Harstem vs TBD
RSL Revival
1d 16h
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
Kung Fu Cup
1d 18h
The PondCast
1d 19h
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Team Wars
3 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
3 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21: BSL Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.