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Well, if that's the case then you're just being very silly, Lightwhip. It's actually even dumber criticism. It takes two to tango. If Flash goes for an attack and his opponent rolls over and dies to it without putting up much of a fight because he's a much worse player, is that Flash's fault? What's he supposed to do, delay his timing just so the game gets more entertaining? O_o
Don't criticize Flash for being so fucking good and being able to properly take advantage of his opponents weaknesses and instead tell his opponents to get better. In this case, put all the blame on Bisu. Really. You can't blame Flash for the fact he's better than his opponents.
Also, you would've orgasmed if Fantasy had played in that game vs Best.
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I fail to see what about that should make me like him. He wins because his opponents do something questionable, therefore I should enjoy his play more? If I was discounting his achievements, that would be a different story, but I doubt I could do that right now. Also no, I'd rather Best win, so if Fantasy did that, I would probably be disappointed. What exactly about Flash is supposed to make me like him? Is it the fact that he might cheese, turtle, or 14CC-> timing attack in any game? Or is it his ability to make a hyped game less than what I'd want it to be? Sorry, but honestly, there are legitimate reasons not to like Flash, and saying "Sorry he's too good" doesn't make him more likable. Most of the greatest players except for oov were more enjoyable to watch in their time.
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I've thought Flash was boring for awhile. He's good, don't get me wrong, but he's really fucking boring to watch.
I would much rather watch Sea or Fantasy if I'm watching a Terran but that's just personal preference.
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I do not demand that you like Flash because of it, I ask that you don't try to attribute it to anything other than good old biased fanboyism. You can dislike Flash as much as you want to and you can be vocal about it, I don't care, just don't spew out nonsense in an attempt to back it up.
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On January 10 2011 19:09 Holgerius wrote: I do not demand that you like Flash because of it, I ask that you don't try to attribute it to anything other than good old biased fanboyism. You can dislike Flash as much as you want to and you can be vocal about it, I don't care, just don't spew out nonsense in an attempt to back it up. You're no beacon of objectivity either, as a Flash fanboy. There's legitimate reasons not to like your guy that aren't just 'fanboyism' that you don't want to admit. How do you think I grew to dislike him in the first place? Quite simply, he showed me a way of playing that I despise.
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On January 10 2011 19:49 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 19:09 Holgerius wrote: I do not demand that you like Flash because of it, I ask that you don't try to attribute it to anything other than good old biased fanboyism. You can dislike Flash as much as you want to and you can be vocal about it, I don't care, just don't spew out nonsense in an attempt to back it up. You're no beacon of objectivity either, as a Flash fanboy. There's legitimate reasons not to like your guy that aren't just 'fanboyism' that you don't want to admit. How do you think I grew to dislike him in the first place? Quite simply, he showed me a way of playing that I despise. You still don't get it do you? There is no difference between the way Flash plays and the way other progamers play. He just does it better.
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On January 10 2011 19:49 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 19:09 Holgerius wrote: I do not demand that you like Flash because of it, I ask that you don't try to attribute it to anything other than good old biased fanboyism. You can dislike Flash as much as you want to and you can be vocal about it, I don't care, just don't spew out nonsense in an attempt to back it up. You're no beacon of objectivity either, as a Flash fanboy. There's legitimate reasons not to like your guy that aren't just 'fanboyism' that you don't want to admit. How do you think I grew to dislike him in the first place? Quite simply, he showed me a way of playing that I despise. What way of playing? As has been said, Flash uses every possible style available, so what ''way of playing'' are you referring to? Playing good?
It does come down to pure fanboyism (which doesn't always have a logical explanation).
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Ahh this thread is turning to the classic anti flash vs flash fan thread. It's never going to go anywhere when the anti are just mad about their favorites are being beaten by him.
Flash turtles? Fuck he's a little turtling bitch. Flash timing attack? Why can't he win without doing something normal? Flash cheese? What a cunt. Flash plays normal? Holy shit he can't win without doing something interesting. Flash does something interesting? It has been done before, what a fucking copy cat. Flash lose? FUCK YEAH WHAT A FUCKING SHITTY PLAYER
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I think the problem, Lightwip, would be this quote of yours:
To be honest, he does ruin a lot of games with either a turtling strategies or ones that just win through superior macro/timing attacks.
You can dislike Flash as much as you like, but saying that he 'ruins' 'a lot of games' by winning through 'turtling' or 'superior macro' or 'timing attacks' is covering an awful lot of bases. Flash also has incredible M&M micro, do you hate it when he wins with superior micro, too? Is he ruining the game when he wins through M&M control vs Zerg?
Just admit you just don't like the guy and move on. There's no need to make up bullshit about Flash 'ruining' games by doing (insert any strategy ever).
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its funny because the T1ers talk as though bisu is close to flash or something. also, if you thought that last game was superbly ridiculous how flash managed to win even though being behind on bases, find the game where he used mech against jd on katrina. thats wat's ridiculous.
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On January 10 2011 21:36 Hinanawi wrote:I think the problem, Lightwip, would be this quote of yours: Show nested quote + To be honest, he does ruin a lot of games with either a turtling strategies or ones that just win through superior macro/timing attacks.
You can dislike Flash as much as you like, but saying that he 'ruins' 'a lot of games' by winning through 'turtling' or 'superior macro' or 'timing attacks' is covering an awful lot of bases. Flash also has incredible M&M micro, do you hate it when he wins with superior micro, too? Is he ruining the game when he wins through M&M control vs Zerg? Just admit you just don't like the guy and move on. There's no need to make up bullshit about Flash 'ruining' games by doing (insert any strategy ever).
Seconded.
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its ok to like or not like flash ofcourse, but this whole turtle-terran thing is from 2008. He might be boring to watch for some because his games are mostly onesided, but thats it.
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Flash and JD did good at start but finish is what counts Bisu will be the one who does good at the finish!
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haters will hate. It's human tendency to come up with any "logical" argument just to prove they're right. fanboy and haters alike. But man it just gets annoying that every time Flash dominates threads are spammed with a crapload of haters.
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On January 11 2011 00:32 nozaro33 wrote: haters will hate. It's human tendency to come up with any "logical" argument just to prove they're right. fanboy and haters alike. But man it just gets annoying that every time Flash dominates threads are spammed with a crapload of haters. i love that everytime flash dominates the threads explode over the 100 sites. shows me that there are still ppl interested in bw (i also think many ppl came back from sc2)
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- You had a really close game with Fantasy. ▲ Though my hands weren’t completely warmed up, it's true that Fantasy hyung also played very well. During the middle of the game, my hands finally loosened up and I thought to myself I would be able to come back, and because it was a situation where there was no one else that could play for my team, I think I exerted even more effort And Flash with some lame excuses...ZZZZzzz!! Clearly, Fantasy played superbly....
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On January 10 2011 21:45 shucklesors wrote: its funny because the T1ers talk as though bisu is close to flash or something. also, if you thought that last game was superbly ridiculous how flash managed to win even though being behind on bases, find the game where he used mech against jd on katrina. thats wat's ridiculous.
There was a whole article about meching vs zerg... i think it was fantasy's final edit... it talks specifically about this~ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80595 by Day[9] so it's legit~ :D
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Ahh you just got to love the fanboyism :-)
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