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kwkwookw
Profile Joined August 2010
218 Posts
January 08 2011 21:53 GMT
#2501
bisu definitely played amazing from the beginning to middle of the game; but i still think bisu lacks inherent pvt game sense as seen from his questionable decision making towards the end. if bisu continued to capitalize on his lead, he could have won.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 08 2011 22:25 GMT
#2502
i had such a wierd dream.. I thought Snow was sent out after Ssak and took out Flash. I was crying also because Snow was somehow part of T1.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 08 2011 22:28 GMT
#2503
Off-topic:

I had a weird dream last night as well. I dreamt that Stork beat Bisu and replied to Bisu's ''gg'' with ''lol'', followed by a ''you're a BM little cunt''.

O_o

I was very confused.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Deleted User 37864
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
780 Posts
January 08 2011 22:32 GMT
#2504
^..wow.

i dont think stork even knows what a cunt is
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 08 2011 22:34 GMT
#2505
On January 09 2011 07:28 Holgerius wrote:
I had a weird dream last night as well. I dreamt that Stork beat Bisu and replied to Bisu's ''gg'' with ''lol'', followed by a ''you're a BM little cunt''.

Stork is far more BM than Bisu though. Stork only does it to foreigners and Kwanro though.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
January 08 2011 22:45 GMT
#2506
These games were kinda disappointing as a whole. But winners league is exciting anyway.
Monkeyshark
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 23:43:48
January 08 2011 23:27 GMT
#2507
On January 09 2011 06:26 jaQi wrote:
I just watched the VOD of Bisu vs Flash and honestly "WTF Bisu?" in my opinion he was the whole game ahead, until he attacked Flash in a totally stupid way and lost a bunch of unit without a sense. He tried to hard instead of just showing/using his skills and the power of protoss. sad game for a Bisu fan and great game for a Flash fan


I haven't read most of the LR but how is Bisu ahead the whole game?

Flash FE before Factory which make him a bit ahead in econ(making 2 scv at a time while bisu can only make 1 probe and also 2 scan instead of 1 scan.)
Reaver did minimal damage against flash's turtle skill.
By the time Bisu got his 3rd base up it's even at max.
The max expand at the end make bisu behind in troops which is how he got run over.

Not to mention that letting flash getting his 3rd base is dangerous.

On January 09 2011 07:45 infinity2k9 wrote:
These games were kinda disappointing as a whole. But winners league is exciting anyway.


Can you explain how these games are dissappointing(to you)?
Zhul
Profile Joined February 2010
Czech Republic430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 23:58:50
January 08 2011 23:58 GMT
#2508
On January 09 2011 04:54 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 04:18 StylishVODs wrote:
On January 09 2011 04:07 k.taeyang wrote:
Bisu fail how could he lose that..?
In the end it was like... 5 bases vs 3?

For every base you make, there are less money spent on units.

Flash Timingpush > massexp

Flash>Everything


Flash>Flash :D
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 09 2011 02:42 GMT
#2509
On January 09 2011 07:32 scyper wrote:
^..wow.

i dont think stork even knows what a cunt is


Actually, I'm sure Stork has had plenty.
arieszzw
Profile Joined January 2011
United States46 Posts
January 09 2011 06:10 GMT
#2510
On January 09 2011 08:27 Monkeyshark wrote:

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 07:45 infinity2k9 wrote:
These games were kinda disappointing as a whole. But winners league is exciting anyway.


Can you explain how these games are dissappointing(to you)?


Well I guess for him, the results are disappointing, most games excellent though.
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
January 09 2011 08:38 GMT
#2511
On January 09 2011 11:42 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 07:32 scyper wrote:
^..wow.

i dont think stork even knows what a cunt is


Actually, I'm sure Stork has had plenty.


no way no way
I thought he only have fanboys since bisu always steal the girls
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 09 2011 09:17 GMT
#2512
On January 09 2011 17:38 DarkRise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 11:42 tomatriedes wrote:
On January 09 2011 07:32 scyper wrote:
^..wow.

i dont think stork even knows what a cunt is


Actually, I'm sure Stork has had plenty.


no way no way
I thought he only have fanboys since bisu always steal the girls


Stork has had a girlfriend for like 2 years man. He's way more social than Bisu.
Remember Violet.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
January 09 2011 09:55 GMT
#2513
Just finished watching the VODs and would like to share some of my thoughts about the games Flash played

Flash vs Fantasy: The best of the bunch, although Flash was given a run for the money due to his decision to spread his troops thin, while having less Factories than Fantasy's during the midgame stage. Fantasy's silly mistake with the unfinished CC at his min only was actually trivial (he still mined it out in the end), Flash's win was a combined result of repeatedly fending off Fanta's assaults, limiting their damage while dealing a substantial amount when he's given the chance. Flash hardly lost any CCs while Fantasy effectively lost about 3 or 4 (ouch); Flash's attempts at large drops always take out Fanta's expos while Fanta's attempts often result in heavy casualties.
The turning point of the game was when Fanta's attempt to counter Flash's drop by assaulting his min only failed, but it was more about making the game even than completely handing the advantage to Flash. Only later when Flash compounded his base advantage and got BCs did the game turn into a slow death for Fantasy. Also, Flash's mental fortitude and crisis management when Fantasy pressures him were amazing. From his look each time the camera doom zoomed on him I knew he wouldn't flinch.

Flash vs Ssak:Typical TvT where Flash's opponent tries to race him in a map-split contest and fails. However Ssak was a bit smarter than most other Terrans in that situation in the sense that he actually held back and conserved his force (hence Flash's frustration stated in the interview). He dropped into Flash's BC production site and continuously threatened 6 o'clock but the fact that Flash kept him locked at 2 bases at the bottom right corner didn't help, especially when Ssak could never take control of 6, a crucial position where he would have been able to shake Flash's advantage had he seized it. Some say this is an attempt to tire Flash out but honestly do you really think you could tire someone who's played countless of Bo5s when he's only got to play 3 games at most?

Flash vs Bisu: This is actually the game which made me worry the most. I don't get why many posts in here state that Bisu played badly but he had a perfect opening, successfully expo'd to 1.5 without having it backfire him à la Stork vs Hiya, and when he latched on to 4 bases the game became dangerously similar to Best vs Flash on this same map. It was only when he made the dubious decision to expand to 2 more bases that allowed Flash to take the risk he wanted. Notice that Flash had 3 Facts with shops which meant he would have more Tanks and less Vultures than the normal Terran army composition. Flash played the game right when he attacked with this army and used all the few Vultures he had effectively to conserve the tanks, prevented a recall into his main, and later a stasis on clumped tanks with extreme focus on SV usage. Flash was basically walking on the edge but turned out Bisu's overextension helped this hanbang attack achieve its purpose. Stork, Best and other decent Protosses would have contently held after getting 4 bases and let Flash starve. Bisu did not, so he lost the game he could've won.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
January 09 2011 09:56 GMT
#2514
I'd just like to state that seeing both Yellow and Reach together in their badass track suits made me have goosebumps on my nipples.
C r u m b l i n g
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2300 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 10:22:57
January 09 2011 10:17 GMT
#2515
On January 09 2011 03:18 KTF_CloaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 02:46 hitthat wrote:
On January 09 2011 02:10 WeRRa wrote:
i dont see, why all say wow fantasy so good, imo bisu would have also won the games wich fantasy won, but beating flash is something bisu cant do and fantasy not aswell, so we have to hope that stork stops this crazy kid.


Beating Flash from time to time is the thing within power of both Fanta and Bisu. And i wouldnt discount 3 kills from Fanta so easily. I know that some antifanboys cannot deal with that hes infact good and are raging much when he performs well, but its not the reason to talk like that.


Fantasy, ok, epic semi-series in bigfile msl and he was close to winning from flash but flash owned him nevertheless. Fantasy can maybe get a lucky win if he wasnt such a sucky strategist... BUT BISU? THE BEESUIT? come on there is nooooooo way bisu, with his PvT, could beat god youngho, master of TvP. Stop dreaming bro.


Well, Bisu won some games against him long ago, that was before Flash-bonjwa era, but now he have to just learn to USE FREAKING STORMS!
And Fantasy sucky strategist? On what planet are you actually living? He won many games only by tricking his opponents.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
January 09 2011 10:42 GMT
#2516
On January 09 2011 05:40 Ecrilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 03:18 KTF_CloaK wrote:
On January 09 2011 02:46 hitthat wrote:
On January 09 2011 02:10 WeRRa wrote:
i dont see, why all say wow fantasy so good, imo bisu would have also won the games wich fantasy won, but beating flash is something bisu cant do and fantasy not aswell, so we have to hope that stork stops this crazy kid.


Beating Flash from time to time is the thing within power of both Fanta and Bisu. And i wouldnt discount 3 kills from Fanta so easily. I know that some antifanboys cannot deal with that hes infact good and are raging much when he performs well, but its not the reason to talk like that.


Fantasy, ok, epic semi-series in bigfile msl and he was close to winning from flash but flash owned him nevertheless. Fantasy can maybe get a lucky win if he wasnt such a sucky strategist... BUT BISU? THE BEESUIT? come on there is nooooooo way bisu, with his PvT, could beat god youngho, master of TvP. Stop dreaming bro.

I'm just going to point you to Flash dropping out of both leagues to players that are not even at the level of Bisu's weakest MU. It's not a dream, and you're really obnoxious. Yes, KT won, good for Flash. This doesn't mean he can't be beaten, and it certainly doesn't mean he can't be beaten by Bisu.


I'm sorry you took my rextion as obnoxious and I didn't mean to offend you, but you know that Flash had a fever at the time and his wrist was hurting, he said that in the interview KT VS SKT1 wl. Ofcourse thats no excuse for his play back then, he said so himself too, i ofcourse dont know what was wrong with him and why he lost those matches, but in this state (his normal state) i do not believe bisu can beat him straight up, and i think you know that too. That's just what I was trying to point out. Oh, and Flash beat him after two extremey long and tiring macthes, I think that speaks for itself on what level Flash is playing now. And I just love the term GOD YOUNGHO.
KT Rolster for the win!! Lee-Young-Ho hwaiting!!
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
January 09 2011 10:48 GMT
#2517
On January 09 2011 19:17 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 03:18 KTF_CloaK wrote:
On January 09 2011 02:46 hitthat wrote:
On January 09 2011 02:10 WeRRa wrote:
i dont see, why all say wow fantasy so good, imo bisu would have also won the games wich fantasy won, but beating flash is something bisu cant do and fantasy not aswell, so we have to hope that stork stops this crazy kid.


Beating Flash from time to time is the thing within power of both Fanta and Bisu. And i wouldnt discount 3 kills from Fanta so easily. I know that some antifanboys cannot deal with that hes infact good and are raging much when he performs well, but its not the reason to talk like that.


Fantasy, ok, epic semi-series in bigfile msl and he was close to winning from flash but flash owned him nevertheless. Fantasy can maybe get a lucky win if he wasnt such a sucky strategist... BUT BISU? THE BEESUIT? come on there is nooooooo way bisu, with his PvT, could beat god youngho, master of TvP. Stop dreaming bro.


Well, Bisu won some games against him long ago, that was before Flash-bonjwa era, but now he have to just learn to USE FREAKING STORMS!
And Fantasy sucky strategist? On what planet are you actually living? He won many games only by tricking his opponents.


I think you do not know what the term strategist means, Fantasy is a very good tactician, his mindset is good and often plays mindgames with his opponents, but his strategist side is not so good. He does not know where to attack or when, that's why he made weird decisions that lost him the game. That is what i meant to say :D
KT Rolster for the win!! Lee-Young-Ho hwaiting!!
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2300 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 11:10:04
January 09 2011 11:05 GMT
#2518
On January 09 2011 19:48 KTF_CloaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 19:17 hitthat wrote:
On January 09 2011 03:18 KTF_CloaK wrote:
On January 09 2011 02:46 hitthat wrote:
On January 09 2011 02:10 WeRRa wrote:
i dont see, why all say wow fantasy so good, imo bisu would have also won the games wich fantasy won, but beating flash is something bisu cant do and fantasy not aswell, so we have to hope that stork stops this crazy kid.


Beating Flash from time to time is the thing within power of both Fanta and Bisu. And i wouldnt discount 3 kills from Fanta so easily. I know that some antifanboys cannot deal with that hes infact good and are raging much when he performs well, but its not the reason to talk like that.


Fantasy, ok, epic semi-series in bigfile msl and he was close to winning from flash but flash owned him nevertheless. Fantasy can maybe get a lucky win if he wasnt such a sucky strategist... BUT BISU? THE BEESUIT? come on there is nooooooo way bisu, with his PvT, could beat god youngho, master of TvP. Stop dreaming bro.


Well, Bisu won some games against him long ago, that was before Flash-bonjwa era, but now he have to just learn to USE FREAKING STORMS!
And Fantasy sucky strategist? On what planet are you actually living? He won many games only by tricking his opponents.


I think you do not know what the term strategist means, Fantasy is a very good tactician, his mindset is good and often plays mindgames with his opponents, but his strategist side is not so good. He does not know where to attack or when, that's why he made weird decisions that lost him the game. That is what i meant to say :D


Woah, isnt it opposite? Stategy is decisions of what expantion to take or take down first, how to play the whole (we try to end this fast or in late game? Mech or bio?), decisions about crushing opponent by brute force or starve him to death. I think that most of things you are talking about (where to attack first) is more tactical than strategical.
Or maybe its just my false interpretation?
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
January 09 2011 11:21 GMT
#2519
On January 09 2011 20:05 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 19:48 KTF_CloaK wrote:
On January 09 2011 19:17 hitthat wrote:
On January 09 2011 03:18 KTF_CloaK wrote:
On January 09 2011 02:46 hitthat wrote:
On January 09 2011 02:10 WeRRa wrote:
i dont see, why all say wow fantasy so good, imo bisu would have also won the games wich fantasy won, but beating flash is something bisu cant do and fantasy not aswell, so we have to hope that stork stops this crazy kid.


Beating Flash from time to time is the thing within power of both Fanta and Bisu. And i wouldnt discount 3 kills from Fanta so easily. I know that some antifanboys cannot deal with that hes infact good and are raging much when he performs well, but its not the reason to talk like that.


Fantasy, ok, epic semi-series in bigfile msl and he was close to winning from flash but flash owned him nevertheless. Fantasy can maybe get a lucky win if he wasnt such a sucky strategist... BUT BISU? THE BEESUIT? come on there is nooooooo way bisu, with his PvT, could beat god youngho, master of TvP. Stop dreaming bro.


Well, Bisu won some games against him long ago, that was before Flash-bonjwa era, but now he have to just learn to USE FREAKING STORMS!
And Fantasy sucky strategist? On what planet are you actually living? He won many games only by tricking his opponents.


I think you do not know what the term strategist means, Fantasy is a very good tactician, his mindset is good and often plays mindgames with his opponents, but his strategist side is not so good. He does not know where to attack or when, that's why he made weird decisions that lost him the game. That is what i meant to say :D


Woah, isnt it opposite? Stategy is decisions of what expantion to take or take down first, how to play the whole (we try to end this fast or in late game? Mech or bio?), decisions about crushing opponent by brute force or starve him to death. I think that most of things you are talking about (where to attack first) is more tactical than strategical.
Or maybe its just my false interpretation?


TBH i dont know 100 percent myself either, but anyways i meant that he does not know where to attack and when and placement and stuff
KT Rolster for the win!! Lee-Young-Ho hwaiting!!
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
January 09 2011 14:04 GMT
#2520
That's why Flash style is gay, no matter what you do, how hard you try to harass. He just fucking waits and not do anything. Then he just rolls you over, every single TvP he win. Doing nothing...useful talent toi have. Seems like doing nothing while getting upgrades is the best strategy lately.

SKT why the hell would you send out Best in first game...
ohh well, well played KTFlash
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
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