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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On December 15 2010 16:47 Lightwip wrote: To be honest, teams are so rapidly changing I can't really tell who's good and who isn't. Individual players are somewhat the same too. its still fun that some people take LR thread bragtalk so seriously (; | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On December 15 2010 16:47 Lightwip wrote: To be honest, teams are so rapidly changing I can't really tell who's good and who isn't. Individual players are somewhat the same too. Well T1 is still ahead by a safe margin and KT is at the bottom with Ace and Oz, although recently KT and Ace have been improving.... sigh Oz :[ I feel really bad for them. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
GOOD JOB KT KEEP IT UP! | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 15 2010 16:49 AppleTart wrote: Well T1 is still ahead by a safe margin and KT is at the bottom with Ace and Oz, although recently KT and Ace have been improving.... sigh Oz :[ I feel really bad for them. Oz is actually improving though. They at least have a promising rookie in Princess, with a few less notable rookies around. Hopefully those rookies will amount to something. Pretty sure Oz was worse a bit before their PL win than now though. I mean, they still have Jaedong. On December 15 2010 16:53 alffla wrote: oh and can someone explain the positional imba in fortress lol o_O In relation to drops, from Flash's position you can move units from your nat to their main and return faster than the opponent can counter. Not so from Best's position. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On December 15 2010 16:53 alffla wrote: oh and can someone explain the positional imba in fortress lol o_O Spawning behind on the clock gives drop play a big advantage. Flash was at 3, BeSt at 6. That makes dropping in BeSt's main a direct line through Flash's nat. It also means that BeSt needs to keep heavy forces in both the nat (from ground units) and the main (from drops), while Flash can keep his forces in the nat (which block the direct path of shuttles). Any drop going against the clock can be scouted by units/mines/etc as it crosses either through the middle or along the edges. Also, spawning right behind on the clock lets a terran siege his units right outside his nat and use a floating rax/ebay/dropship to give vision into the opponent's main, and allow safe elevator play (this wasn't in use this time, but is definitely an advantage of positions on Fortress). | ||
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Ecrilon
501 Posts
On December 15 2010 16:59 moopie wrote: Spawning behind on the clock gives drop play a big advantage. Flash was at 3, BeSt at 6. That makes dropping in BeSt's main a direct line through Flash's nat. It also means that BeSt needs to keep heavy forces in both the nat (from ground units) and the main (from drops), while Flash can keep his forces in the nat (which block the direct path of shuttles). Any drop going against the clock can be scouted by units/mines/etc as it crosses either through the middle or along the edges. Also, spawning right behind on the clock lets a terran siege his units right outside his nat and use a floating rax/ebay/dropship to give vision into the opponent's main, and allow safe elevator play (this wasn't in use this time, but is definitely an advantage of positions on Fortress). And while it wasn't shown either, I'd like to add that Icarus is almost exactly the same. | ||
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Jaester88
United States143 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
They really should use it again, such a good map. Edit: I actually saw some old thread where someone complained about how imba 12 nex on x-position is in Light vs PerfectMan. Although 'Fighting Spirit imbalance' yields very few results. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:08 Jaester88 wrote: It's been a while, but I haven't been this happy about a KT win in some time, so I think I'll do the interviews today. It'll be up as soon as the rest (non-Flash) interviews are up on Fomos and I finish translating it. Awesome. ^__^ | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
On December 15 2010 16:38 Holgerius wrote:This is such ridiculous theory-crafting.  Good luck pulling that off on progamer level. I've seen some corsair PvT dweb usage in progaming.  Don't remember exact games though.But seriously, they are cheaper lower tech and faster moving units than arbiters. And why dweb is harder to micro? =/ I guess this is not being used simply because it isn't a standard - and thus it's more difficult because you have to learn a new strat (while the old one still works well). If we imagine a "protoss Flash", he would certainly try that, as he would want to win any game and have his strategy adapted to any of enemy's strategies | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:21 _Quasar_ wrote: I've seen some corsair PvT dweb usage in progaming. Don't remember exact games though.But seriously, they are cheaper lower tech and faster moving units than arbiters. And why dweb is harder to micro? =/ I guess this is not being used simply because it isn't a standard - and thus it's more difficult because you have to learn a new strat (while the old one still works well). If we imagine a "protoss Flash", he would certainly try that, as he would want to win any game and have his strategy adapted to any of enemy's strategies I have seen it used as well. It got crushed. Here's one game I recalled off the top of my head: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:20 Ryo wrote: I'm very surprised by this result. And I see Ssak and Sun in the line-up instead of Kwanro. Okaaay.. To be fair, Sun has a lot of potential, and Kwanro really doesn't show much to be impressed about. | ||
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:08 Jaester88 wrote: It's been a while, but I haven't been this happy about a KT win in some time, so I think I'll do the interviews today. It'll be up as soon as the rest (non-Flash) interviews are up on Fomos and I finish translating it. Hmm I think this is worth staying up for, Thanks for doing it. | ||
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
On December 15 2010 16:59 moopie wrote: Spawning behind on the clock gives drop play a big advantage. Flash was at 3, BeSt at 6. That makes dropping in BeSt's main a direct line through Flash's nat. It also means that BeSt needs to keep heavy forces in both the nat (from ground units) and the main (from drops), while Flash can keep his forces in the nat (which block the direct path of shuttles). Any drop going against the clock can be scouted by units/mines/etc as it crosses either through the middle or along the edges. Also, spawning right behind on the clock lets a terran siege his units right outside his nat and use a floating rax/ebay/dropship to give vision into the opponent's main, and allow safe elevator play (this wasn't in use this time, but is definitely an advantage of positions on Fortress). Admittedly, Flash's build looked planned, so I'm pretty sure that he was going to do something similar no matter what the positions. Fortress is pretty good for drops in general, so it probably would have worked even with the spawns switched. Still, fortress is really positionally imba, and Flash certainly showed us that tonight. At least it's not as bad as Dreamliner's positional imba for muta's. Whenever a zerg managed to sneak a stack of them into the sweet spot between lower spawns main and natural it was almost over. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:25 Noxide wrote: Hmm I think this is worth staying up for, Thanks for doing it. it's a good interview so yeah it is  | ||
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:22 Holgerius wrote: I have seen it used as well. It got crushed. Here's one game I recalled off the top of my head: + Show Spoiler + Hey Tossgirl lost to it to a chinese terran...........  | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:21 _Quasar_ wrote: I've seen some corsair PvT dweb usage in progaming. Don't remember exact games though.But seriously, they are cheaper lower tech and faster moving units than arbiters. And why dweb is harder to micro? =/ I guess this is not being used simply because it isn't a standard - and thus it's more difficult because you have to learn a new strat (while the old one still works well). If we imagine a "protoss Flash", he would certainly try that, as he would want to win any game and have his strategy adapted to any of enemy's strategies You think dweb sairs aren't used PvT because nobody considered it? its been used here and there over the years, but its not as efficient as Stasis. Takes 80 seconds to research, and can be rendered obsolete by some goliaths mixed in with the tanks (where as Arbs still provide you with mass cloaking, and stasis can't simply be micro'd out of). Also, you can get 2 stasis casts with a fully charged arb, and only 1 dweb with a sair (unless if you research energy, which is even more of a commitment). | ||
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