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Jaester88
Profile Joined September 2009
United States143 Posts
December 15 2010 08:30 GMT
#1441
Flash's interview is up. I'll finish up the rest soon.
ssregi-
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)146 Posts
December 15 2010 08:31 GMT
#1442
On December 15 2010 17:27 Noxide wrote:
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On December 15 2010 17:22 Holgerius wrote:
On December 15 2010 17:21 _Quasar_ wrote:
On December 15 2010 16:38 Holgerius wrote:This is such ridiculous theory-crafting. Good luck pulling that off on progamer level.


I've seen some corsair PvT dweb usage in progaming. Don't remember exact games though.

But seriously, they are cheaper lower tech and faster moving units than arbiters. And why dweb is harder to micro? =/ I guess this is not being used simply because it isn't a standard - and thus it's more difficult because you have to learn a new strat (while the old one still works well). If we imagine a "protoss Flash", he would certainly try that, as he would want to win any game and have his strategy adapted to any of enemy's strategies

I have seen it used as well.

It got crushed.

Here's one game I recalled off the top of my head:

+ Show Spoiler +



Hey Tossgirl lost to it to a chinese terran...........


Chinese terran ?

U mean protoss ?
NeVeR GiVeUp !~~
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
December 15 2010 08:32 GMT
#1443
On December 15 2010 17:31 ssregi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 17:27 Noxide wrote:
On December 15 2010 17:22 Holgerius wrote:
On December 15 2010 17:21 _Quasar_ wrote:
On December 15 2010 16:38 Holgerius wrote:This is such ridiculous theory-crafting. Good luck pulling that off on progamer level.


I've seen some corsair PvT dweb usage in progaming. Don't remember exact games though.

But seriously, they are cheaper lower tech and faster moving units than arbiters. And why dweb is harder to micro? =/ I guess this is not being used simply because it isn't a standard - and thus it's more difficult because you have to learn a new strat (while the old one still works well). If we imagine a "protoss Flash", he would certainly try that, as he would want to win any game and have his strategy adapted to any of enemy's strategies

I have seen it used as well.

It got crushed.

Here's one game I recalled off the top of my head:

+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_VWE9-nwKI


Hey Tossgirl lost to it to a chinese terran...........


Chinese terran ?

U mean protoss ?


Yea it's late forgive me
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
December 15 2010 08:34 GMT
#1444
On December 15 2010 17:23 Lightwip wrote:
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On December 15 2010 17:20 Ryo wrote:
I'm very surprised by this result. And I see Ssak and Sun in the line-up instead of Kwanro. Okaaay..

To be fair, Sun has a lot of potential, and Kwanro really doesn't show much to be impressed about.


That is true but I'm even more surprised that all the big name players on SKT lost.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 08:41:11
December 15 2010 08:34 GMT
#1445
On December 15 2010 17:26 deafhobbit wrote:
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On December 15 2010 16:59 moopie wrote:
On December 15 2010 16:53 alffla wrote:
oh and can someone explain the positional imba in fortress lol o_O

Spawning behind on the clock gives drop play a big advantage. Flash was at 3, BeSt at 6. That makes dropping in BeSt's main a direct line through Flash's nat. It also means that BeSt needs to keep heavy forces in both the nat (from ground units) and the main (from drops), while Flash can keep his forces in the nat (which block the direct path of shuttles). Any drop going against the clock can be scouted by units/mines/etc as it crosses either through the middle or along the edges.

Also, spawning right behind on the clock lets a terran siege his units right outside his nat and use a floating rax/ebay/dropship to give vision into the opponent's main, and allow safe elevator play (this wasn't in use this time, but is definitely an advantage of positions on Fortress).



Admittedly, Flash's build looked planned, so I'm pretty sure that he was going to do something similar no matter what the positions. Fortress is pretty good for drops in general, so it probably would have worked even with the spawns switched. Still, fortress is really positionally imba, and Flash certainly showed us that tonight.

At least it's not as bad as Dreamliner's positional imba for muta's. Whenever a zerg managed to sneak a stack of them into the sweet spot between lower spawns main and natural it was almost over.


If the starting positions were reversed, Flash would have had to either go for a timing push, or commit to a macro game, and grab a 2nd main+nat (or attempt to rely on an island expo), since the middle is hard to secure as a 3rd expo vP. BeSt would have grabbed a 3rd at his inner expo which eliminates most drop play (except from the north, which would have had a scouting pylon and later his 4th).

Flash knows how to play Fortress. Once he saw that he spawned behind on the clock from BeSt, it was obvious it would be drop play (at least to players who have played TvT/TvP on Fortress).
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 15 2010 09:08 GMT
#1446
well then Best should have gone reaver carrier *sighs* =\
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 15 2010 09:11 GMT
#1447
On December 15 2010 18:08 _Quasar_ wrote:
well then Best should have gone reaver carrier *sighs* =\

Best was horribly behind after the 2 gate fail, I don't think he would've won.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
December 15 2010 09:14 GMT
#1448
Checkin up TL to see what's on and see my favorite team losing doesn't make my day any better. I haven't seen the games, so can't really comentate on it, but i hate KT. They lose against weak teams and then have to beat SKT. Action beating Bisu in ZvP was unexpected and Fantasy losing again wtf - i can see him doing stupid shit like medics CC again. Gotta check the Flash vs Best game though.

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I hope Paralyze will manage to pull some crazy shit and beat Flashboo, go Frotosss!!
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 15 2010 09:17 GMT
#1449
On December 15 2010 18:11 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 18:08 _Quasar_ wrote:
well then Best should have gone reaver carrier *sighs* =\

Best was horribly behind after the 2 gate fail, I don't think he would've won.

I mean his build should have been completely different, I guess... =/
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 15 2010 09:22 GMT
#1450
On December 15 2010 18:17 _Quasar_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 18:11 Lightwip wrote:
On December 15 2010 18:08 _Quasar_ wrote:
well then Best should have gone reaver carrier *sighs* =\

Best was horribly behind after the 2 gate fail, I don't think he would've won.

I mean his build should have been completely different, I guess... =/

Maybe a 12 nex would've worked or something.
Honestly, I don't really approve of 2 gate. Against someone like ForGG it's a safety procedure, but against Flash you probably should take a risk because it's not a good idea to be behind.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
December 15 2010 09:32 GMT
#1451
Flash's game was a unique masterpiece like a work of art. I can only imagine the response in the strategy forum if you posted a theorycraft of rax-cc into constant produced 5 dropship vs. protoss while double expanding to 4 base to 2.
日本語が分かりますか
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
December 15 2010 09:40 GMT
#1452
VODs up anywhere yet?
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
December 15 2010 09:42 GMT
#1453
cant believe flash won. guess he avenged his ro1 loss to best
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Jaester88
Profile Joined September 2009
United States143 Posts
December 15 2010 09:59 GMT
#1454
All interviews are finished. Took a little longer than expected, but here they are.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=177093
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
December 15 2010 10:20 GMT
#1455
/Waves white flag.

While I'm not a fan of the TL elitism regarding post counts and join dates, I'll concede that in this case I clearly haven't been around long enough to know that the banter in this thread is par for the course, and just a bit of fun.

So, I'll put this down to another step in my BW education, and I promise to "get over myself" and join in the banter in the future.

P.S. Cheers to the streamers and the LR thread op.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 15 2010 10:21 GMT
#1456
On December 15 2010 19:20 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
/Waves white flag.

While I'm not a fan of the TL elitism regarding post counts and join dates, I'll concede that in this case I clearly haven't been around long enough to know that the banter in this thread is par for the course, and just a bit of fun.

So, I'll put this down to another step in my BW education, and I promise to "get over myself" and join in the banter in the future.

P.S. Cheers to the streamers and the LR thread op.

Nice attitude. ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Bop4yH
Profile Joined October 2007
United States67 Posts
December 15 2010 10:27 GMT
#1457
What a great day
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9500 Posts
December 15 2010 11:13 GMT
#1458
Haha, an awesome day in Proleague!
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
marx_x
Profile Joined December 2010
70 Posts
December 15 2010 12:09 GMT
#1459
flash is bonjwa
Flash is truly bonjwa
SkiZou
Profile Joined April 2010
107 Posts
December 15 2010 12:22 GMT
#1460
Another 20+ winstreak coming from KT, eh?
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