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Jaw
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 10:28:50
August 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#1401
On August 28 2010 19:25 alffla wrote:
umm so how is zerg supposed to defend this ..stuff


don't let terran 14cc without doing anything.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#1402
On August 28 2010 19:26 thopol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:25 alffla wrote:
umm so how is zerg supposed to defend this ..stuff

Make units instead of double expanding as soon as the hydras were at Flash's front.

Is SC2 to blame for everyone calling stuff imbalanced when it's one-sided?


It's kind of hard when you can't scout. Did you not see that lone marine denying any scouting JD could do? No one was expecting a 4 fact +1 armor timing attack.
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
August 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#1403
On August 28 2010 19:27 Censured wrote:
Ok, I don't understand BW. When I saw JD skipping mutas and going pure hydras I thought its gonna be one sided JD rape, but wtf goliath? Can somebody explain THIS to me?

4 Fac is super strong
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
August 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#1404
On August 28 2010 19:27 Pvvned wrote:
well 3-0 to Flash

going to bed

Just consider how many times has everyone said that in the last few months :-p
BW fighting!
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#1405
On August 28 2010 19:28 cablesc wrote:
Making goliaths is a useful skill toi have.

HEEHEH OMG CANT STOP LAUGHING
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#1406
On August 28 2010 19:27 tragedy wrote:
i dont understand this, i fail to see what flash does to win these games

jd was 4bases vs 2 bases, jd harrased with mutas etc, and just lost in 10 minute push
game 2 same exact thing, 10 minute push nothing to do with same food count?

this final is just about as boring as IEM finals, not fun to watch at all.

tech makes a huge difference. Flash faked out JD to expect goliaths and perhaps tanks (which hydralisks are supposed to deal with), but marines are great against hydra since the latter's attack sucks against marines, among other reasons.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
August 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#1407
Yeah :S please don't let this end in 3-0 -.- the games aren't too entertaining.
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Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
August 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#1408
On August 28 2010 19:27 tragedy wrote:
i dont understand this, i fail to see what flash does to win these games

jd was 4bases vs 2 bases, jd harrased with mutas etc, and just lost in 10 minute push
game 2 same exact thing, 10 minute push nothing to do with same food count?

this final is just about as boring as IEM finals, not fun to watch at all.
Because Flash attacks before the 2 extra bases really makes a difference but has a bigger army because JD invested in late game economy.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1409
On August 28 2010 19:27 ffswowsucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:26 Doraemon wrote:
so how do you defend mass goliath early/mid game? =/


he should have muta harassed T's base so he can have time expand/mass hydra with ups>mass gols without tanks.


erm...mutas would have melted to the gols and taken up the minerals for hydras...
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1410
Let's put it this way.

If you look at the games, it's just timing attacks, based on how Flash believes Jaedong will prepare on imbalanced maps. Jaedong is definitely playing for a late game advantage, and Flash is just abusing that and ending it with timing attacks.

We'll see if Jaedong plays that way on FS or something.
sva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States747 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1411
3:0 FLASH FIGHTING so I can sleep ahaha
Karalius
Profile Joined January 2008
Lithuania271 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1412
On August 28 2010 19:27 ffswowsucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:26 Doraemon wrote:
so how do you defend mass goliath early/mid game? =/


he should have muta harassed T's base so he can have time expand/mass hydra with ups>mass gols without tanks.


yeah like in game 1? when he had 4 basses against terrans 2 and harrased him with mutas pretty well, u mean like that? he lost 1 minute later than in game 2, so that isnt the case.
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1413
Wow jaedong needs a comeback. Cause what has happened soo far was not really entertaining
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1414
Jaedong dont disappoint!
Jaedong :3
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1415
On August 28 2010 19:28 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:25 alffla wrote:
umm so how is zerg supposed to defend this ..stuff

Well not double expoing while you expect Flash to sit quietly in his base will help.

Adding lings and lurkers to your hydra army vs the pure goliaths would help as well.

Actually no, both Zerglings and Lurkers are awful vs Goliaths. As is everything else Zerg has except Hydras I guess, unless they have at least one tank.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33392 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1416
It's pretty incredible how Flash was willing to completely disregard the possibility of Jaedong going for lurkers; in terms of both strategic thinking and having the balls to ignore such a dangerous possibility
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Royalcommand
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)189 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1417
time for some 3-0!
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1418
JD is going way to eco mode theese 2 games and flash is just punishing him badly
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SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1419
Stream dead.......
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
KasdaTheEmperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Croatia239 Posts
August 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#1420
Flash is so annoying with his 14 cc, but hey he is doing the right thing to win. JD just seems too stubborn to be more aggressive, which he needs so badly, I mean just look at effort..
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