EPT[MSL] Grand Final - Page 170
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hideo
Canada1641 Posts
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Nyovne
Netherlands19135 Posts
On August 28 2010 21:00 alffla wrote: i wish jaedong 4 pooled the last game. Haha that would have been amazing, so anticlimatic but so justified lol. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On August 28 2010 20:57 krndandaman wrote: yes there is. 3hatch before pool 14 cc 14 nex those are econ cheeses. i'd say pretty much an economic build which has a hard counter insta-loss build would be an econ cheese. User was warned for this post that is stupid. 4 pool is also a hard counter to 12 hatch in zvz, so 12 hatch isecon cheese? 1 rax cc is econ cheese against 4 pool? jesus dude, seriously | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On August 28 2010 20:58 letian wrote: Well... JD I wish you were more smart and flexible this time, bad games overall, or maybe it is Flash that is so good, but still, yes now I see , that he is way too strong for Jae to cope, dunno maps, 14cc, imba terran, this is all chit, I didn't like the way Jae played, it was sloppy and there was nothing he could do today, he was defeated, Oh I a really do want a change, I'm tired of terrans for the whole fu..ing year, but I do not see anybody who can challenge Flash at this level of his play I guess when you say you're tired of Terran you mean you're tired of Flash. Because, with exception of this MSL, Terrans hasn't been doing well. The only Terran to reach semis in OSL for last 3 seasons is Flash. Same goes for the last 2 MSLs before this one. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
On August 28 2010 20:53 lebalebaleba wrote: what is it? standard? if jd 9pooled in game 5 he would've instantly won. flash didnt even scout AT ALL. he would've had to hold off lings with just SCV's. That also bothered me a bit. Jaedongs pool finished way before the scout arrived in his main. If he had skipped one drone and built 2 lings a litte bit early, he could have blocked his ramp and Flash would have been in the dark for a bit longer (he would have needed to consider normal 3hatch or a lurker opening). Flash could easily guess the muta build and he built this really early ebay. Flashs build in game 5 was flawless. Still, I think JD needs to do way more pool first builds. | ||
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composition
98 Posts
ZvZ 9-pool is cheese krndandaman is broodwar expert User was warned for this post | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
On August 28 2010 21:00 alffla wrote: i wish jaedong 4 pooled the last game. You're not alone in that sentiment. I don't know. I don't really want to blame the loss on maps, but it was a combination of maps, Flash's great read, and JD's somewhat subpar-seeming muta micro. Either way I thought it was a great game, it was so exciting seeing if Flash would take out the third, and then when I and most others thought Flash would win with that 2 prong attack, JD takes out everything, but unfortunately loses to the next push. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On August 28 2010 21:01 pyro19 wrote: Look at all these People Crying over the Eco-Cheese Flash did. Wouldn"t you guys do everything to win such a major and big money Title.Both of them are top players and it was JD that messed up on his muta micro. Fuuny things is that none of them was crying when aedong pulled out 3 hatch before pool in Nate... And I don't remember Flash fans screaming, omg, imba! Econ cheese... | ||
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
I really think JD should stop 12 hatching against Flash for awhile XD really think that would help. And maaaybe call up Light and Sea, and ask to practice, cuz Bee and Sexy are not cutting it  | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 28 2010 21:01 deafhobbit wrote: Gratz Flash, i was rooting for you, but with the map pool i wasn't exactly surprised when you pulled out the win. @14cc haters Take note, in rounds 1 and 2, flash delayed his cc to scout JD's 12 hatch. Had JD gone for a more aggressive build flash likely wouldn't have 14cc'd. At the same time, since flash does this so often, the scout timing should have suggested to JD that flash was 14ccing. In rounds 4 and 5, flash did a blind 14cc. This got the cc started faster, and denied JD information, but left him vulnerable to JD's 9 pool in round 4. In both games, it was a calculated risk, and it only had to pay off once for Flash to win. Moral of the story - Don't hate on the 14cc, hate JD's inability to deal with it, specifically his refusal to shift to more aggressive play in rounds 1 and especially 2 when flash telegraphed him his build. Game 4 wasn't blind 14cc. Game 5 was the only one. Game 4 was the usual supply depot -> scout. Saw the pool, put up a rax, and then tried to wall off with a CC and supply. Didn't work great, but he held it off (though he lost lots of scvs). Then he floated his rax for some reason before putting down a bunker and it was gg. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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DreXxiN
United States494 Posts
On August 28 2010 21:04 alffla wrote: KENTOR YOUR ZELDA MUSIC MAKES ME FEEL SO SAD T_____T Hahaha yeah ^^. Relaxing before sleep though! | ||
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FirstProbe
1206 Posts
On August 28 2010 21:03 Yxes2211 wrote: Personally, if JD isn't shaken by his loss today and makes it to the OSL finals, I'm interested to see the outcome. Really, JD went in blind today, there was very little recent Flash TvZ for JD to watch and prepare. Now that JD has played Flash and experienced him a bit, I wonder if JD will be able to adjust. Hoping for a rematch cuz this series really had me on the edge of my seat. I really think JD should stop 12 hatching against Flash for awhile XD really think that would help. And maaaybe call up Light and Sea, and ask to practice, cuz Bee and Sexy are not cutting it How about the 3 game series in the WCG finals? Sure it wouldn't be prepared builds, but it'd give him an idea of what he was up against. | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On August 28 2010 21:04 DreXxiN wrote: Hahaha yeah ^^. Relaxing before sleep though! i'm in asia... still got a few hours to go before i can go sleep.. gonna go cry in the rain now T______T (j/k no rain. but i'm still sad. D: ) | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On August 28 2010 21:02 Goragoth wrote: If anyone has any example games of 12hat winning against 14cc (excluding aggressive zergling all-in followups like EffOrt did in the OSL final) I would be very interested to see some VODs. It really looks like it is virtually impossible because Terran ends up with such a strong early mid-game push off two bases that seems unstoppable for Zerg. Yeah, I dont really understand why. In zvp zerg go 3 base vs 2 base, I dont get it why they go 3 hatch in base instad of immediately taking a third gas. Maybe map makers will fix that in the future | ||
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
On August 28 2010 21:04 moopie wrote: Game 4 wasn't blind 14cc. Game 5 was the only one. Game 4 was the usual supply depot -> scout. Saw the pool, put up a rax, and then tried to wall off with a CC and supply. Didn't work great, but he held it off (though he lost lots of scvs). Then he floated his rax for some reason before putting down a bunker and it was gg. Yeah, i missed the beginning because my friend had just updated his blog about his trip to China, and when i saw the result i just assumed. My bad, post has been edited. | ||
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Assymptotic
United States552 Posts
Yeesh. | ||
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link18
Croatia65 Posts
Brood War is fucking art..... | ||
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
On August 28 2010 21:05 FirstProbe wrote: How about the 3 game series in the WCG finals? Sure it wouldn't be prepared builds, but it'd give him an idea of what he was up against. Disagree entirely. Neither of them took it seriously. They both said they treated it like practice Practice does not equal play in high level, high reward games. | ||
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