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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 28 2010 20:54 Khul Sadukar wrote: Did I miss something? Last game I saw was Light vs JD. Time to find some vods. it's a joke I'm hoping for Stork vs Flash tbh. TvP is my favorite match up and they're my two favorite players. | ||
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DreXxiN
United States494 Posts
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada1125 Posts
It was fun watching this with all of you and following the comment threads at the same time. Even when the stream lagged everyone would post LAAAAG and it made it a little easier to bear, knowing that everyone else was suffering at the same time. I'm glad it went to 5 games. Here's hoping the OSL does the same. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On August 28 2010 20:54 Slow Motion wrote: Sorry, but it's Legend of the Fall time. Jaedong and Flash are going down and the glorious Protoss shall be revived. Yeah Stork's going to come back and crush Flash 3-2. It'd be really cool if this happened anyway because I don't think I can stand another Jaedong vs Flash. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 28 2010 20:56 Womwomwom wrote: Yeah Stork's going to come back and crush Flash 3-2. It'd be really cool if this happened anyway because I don't think I can stand another Jaedong vs Flash. absolutely song byung goo all the way baby | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
On August 28 2010 20:50 johanes wrote: so basically JD cant counter the only one build flash ever uses Are there people that honestly think that Flash only used one build? 1. 2-base goliaths into bio switch timing push 2. 2-base mech all-in 3. Standard-ish bio 4. CC-Rax-float into gg 5. 4-rax +1 timing push That was the least 'standard Flash' play I've seen from Flash in a very long time. It was obvious he was very well-prepared, and took every opportunity to grab both the small advantages and the huge (14cc) ones. There were a lot of tricky plays and it was, for the most part, much more entertaining than all the previous JD-Flash encounters. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2231 Posts
On August 28 2010 20:53 DarkMatter_ wrote: Standard game is 12 hatch vs. 1rax CC. You must be the one that's new to Starcraft, 14CC is econ cheese. not after scouting 12 hatch on 2 player map | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 28 2010 20:53 lebalebaleba wrote: what is it? standard? if jd 9pooled in game 5 he would've instantly won. flash didnt even scout AT ALL. he would've had to hold off lings with just SCV's. its all part of the mindgames but it is a cheese. its giving him the peak economical advantage and hes taking a huge risk to achieve it. aka cheeesing. You're talking about blind 14cc (like in game 5). I also agree that blind 14cc is cheesy. It's a gamble with a large payoff but larger risks. Flash used to blind 14cc a lot but then people picked up on it and he got punished. Nowadays Flash doesn't generally blind 14cc more than 1 game in a series. However, people need to differentiate between blind 14cc and 14cc after scout (like the first 2 games, and games 2 and 3 of last MSL). 14cc after scout is definitely not cheese. If you spot the zerg 12 hatching, you put down a CC. If you spot a pool, you 1 or 2 rax to wall off (doesn't always work, as we saw tonight, still risky but not too bad usually, though obviously susceptible to 4-5 pool cheese). As a general rule, 12 hatching on a 2 player map vs Flash will lead him to scout and 14cc in return, putting the zerg at a disadvantage (again, like game 1 and 2). Z can either 3 hatch before pool (to offset the 14cc), or 9 pool / overpool to avoid the 14cc. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4141 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
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PineappleLumpsToss
New Zealand2434 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Yggdrasil Leaf
221 Posts
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
@14cc haters Take note, in rounds 1 and 2, flash delayed his cc to scout JD's 12 hatch. Had JD gone for a more aggressive build flash likely wouldn't have 14cc'd. At the same time, since flash does this so often, the scout timing should have suggested to JD that flash was 14ccing. In round 5, flash did a blind 14cc. This got the cc started faster, and denied JD information, but left him vulnerable to early aggression. It was a calculated risk, and it payed off. Moral of the story - Don't hate on the 14cc, hate JD's inability to deal with it, specifically his refusal to shift to more aggressive play in rounds 1 and especially 2 when flash telegraphed him his build. EDIT - I see moopie got to this before me. | ||
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Imrik
Sweden118 Posts
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pyro19
6575 Posts
Wouldn"t you guys do everything to win such a major and big money Title.Both of them are top players and it was JD that messed up on his muta micro. | ||
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