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lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
August 28 2010 11:53 GMT
#3341
thanks a lot Kentor for the stream
fromis_9 enjoyer
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
August 28 2010 11:53 GMT
#3342
On August 28 2010 20:52 Nyovne wrote:
From this point on any balance bitching and complaints that seem to seep from the SC2 section into this section of this beautifully balanced game shall be met with:



Because "imba" was invented by SC2, right?

User was warned for this post
High five :---)
lebalebaleba
Profile Joined March 2010
United States71 Posts
August 28 2010 11:53 GMT
#3343
On August 28 2010 20:52 Hyperionnn wrote:
i love how people saying 14 cc=cheese, you guys are so stupid that it gives me pain

what is it? standard?

if jd 9pooled in game 5 he would've instantly won.

flash didnt even scout AT ALL. he would've had to hold off lings with just SCV's.

its all part of the mindgames but it is a cheese. its giving him the peak economical advantage and hes taking a huge risk to achieve it.
aka cheeesing.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
August 28 2010 11:54 GMT
#3344
Can someone explain to me why polaris rapsody is imba for terran ? The structure of the map didnt seem to matter much in game 5 imo
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
August 28 2010 11:54 GMT
#3345
On August 28 2010 20:44 Highways wrote:
Terran imbalance.

SC1 is dead to me, such a broken game.

Wait... I thought that was SC2?
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 28 2010 11:54 GMT
#3346
TY to Kentor and Grobyc for streaming this
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1972 Posts
August 28 2010 11:54 GMT
#3347
On August 28 2010 20:51 PaD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:49 miNix wrote:
On August 28 2010 20:48 DarkMatter_ wrote:
So basically Flash can't beat Jaedong in a standard game and needs to go 14CC to win.

+99999999 without 14 cc all in no chance versus jaedong...


You do know a standard game is the 14 CC and not cheese and all ins ? you must be new to starcraft... Flash is one of the best players ever and he should get the respect he deserves.


14cc is kind of econ-cheesing.

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Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
August 28 2010 11:54 GMT
#3348
On August 28 2010 20:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:52 Khul Sadukar wrote:
There were over 7k viewers on Kentors stream at one point.

Sigh. Good effort JD.

Now go win that OSL dammit!~

but the osl will be stork vs free

i actually really like pvp so i don't mind


Did I miss something?

Last game I saw was Light vs JD.

Time to find some vods.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
August 28 2010 11:54 GMT
#3349
On August 28 2010 20:53 Pvvned wrote:
JD will bounce back and become the first to win 4 OSL titles

Sorry, but it's Legend of the Fall time. Jaedong and Flash are going down and the glorious Protoss shall be revived.
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
August 28 2010 11:54 GMT
#3350
Anyway, I forgot to say it because of my sadness towards JD, but thanks a lot Kentor for streaming this series, time and time again we can rely on you, it's awesome.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
August 28 2010 11:54 GMT
#3351
Embedding disabled by request.

Anyways congrats on Flash's win, last game was probably the most exciting.
Marke
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden279 Posts
August 28 2010 11:54 GMT
#3352
thanks for Stream Kentor! and Gj Znock for the nice translations

TL Fighting!
Det är inte lätt när det är svårt
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
August 28 2010 11:55 GMT
#3353
Thanks Kentor for having awesome Zelda music
groms
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1017 Posts
August 28 2010 11:55 GMT
#3354
Ty Kentor for streaming the MSL finals. What a match. I'm glad it went to flash though really felt like he deserved it.
I have a recurring dream that I'm running away from a terran player but the marauders keep slowing me down. - Artosis
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 28 2010 11:55 GMT
#3355
On August 28 2010 20:53 McDonalds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:52 Nyovne wrote:
From this point on any balance bitching and complaints that seem to seep from the SC2 section into this section of this beautifully balanced game shall be met with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo


Because "imba" was invented by SC2, right?


well crying imba in a 10 year old game when most people here don't even understand it past the D- level is pretty retarded if you ask me
RIP Aaliyah
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
August 28 2010 11:55 GMT
#3356
On August 28 2010 20:54 Khul Sadukar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 28 2010 20:52 Khul Sadukar wrote:
There were over 7k viewers on Kentors stream at one point.

Sigh. Good effort JD.

Now go win that OSL dammit!~

but the osl will be stork vs free

i actually really like pvp so i don't mind


Did I miss something?

Last game I saw was Light vs JD.

Time to find some vods.


that was the MSL semis
fromis_9 enjoyer
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
August 28 2010 11:55 GMT
#3357
On August 28 2010 20:50 Dante08 wrote:
Can someone explain to me how that map affected game 5?

Yes.

First, the expansions on Polaris Rhapsody are very open, and therefore difficult for Zerg to defend. It's a 2-player map, so Terran can scout-->14CC safely. There's an easy wall-in for Terran, so Terran is safe from almost any cheesy rush with only a couple marines.

Furthermore, late game Polaris Rhapsody is very favorable for mech due to the narrow paths and ease of splitting the map, which means Jaedong has to either win early/midgame or get a large economic advantage before entering the lategame.

All of this is true of Odd-Eye as well. As a consequence, Flash opened with scout --> 14CC --> midgame all-in all three games on Polaris/Odd-Eye, and won all of them in large part because JD had to play high-econ to avoid losing in the late game.
My strategy is to fork people.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
August 28 2010 11:55 GMT
#3358
On August 28 2010 20:54 Garrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:51 PaD wrote:
On August 28 2010 20:49 miNix wrote:
On August 28 2010 20:48 DarkMatter_ wrote:
So basically Flash can't beat Jaedong in a standard game and needs to go 14CC to win.

+99999999 without 14 cc all in no chance versus jaedong...


You do know a standard game is the 14 CC and not cheese and all ins ? you must be new to starcraft... Flash is one of the best players ever and he should get the respect he deserves.


14cc is kind of econ-cheesing.


Econ-cheesing is an oxymoron. There is no such thing.

Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
August 28 2010 11:55 GMT
#3359
On August 28 2010 20:53 King K. Rool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 20:50 Dante08 wrote:
Can someone explain to me how that map affected game 5?

It probably influenced JD on his build.

Can't really open normal muta-lurker on this map since the third is not really defensible with lurkers and you can't do muta harass like you can on match point to make up for it.

He also might've just been expecting mech and was going for some sort of mass hydra push.


Ah didnt notice the 3rd didnt have a ramp, thanks
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
August 28 2010 11:55 GMT
#3360
Thank Smix so much for translating <3
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