I actually think this is a really complex group. I feel strongly that Kwanro and Stats get to the winners match, but what happens after that is up in the air.
Especially if Roro emerges from the losers match.
I think I can say... something along these lines in terms of getting out of the group.
Kwanro vs Lomo RorO vs Stats Map Set Game 1 and 2: Fighting Spirit Winners and Losers Game: Match Point Final Game: Triathlon Running! (started: 16 minutes ago )
Hmm Roro is taking his 3rd at the bottom left main instead of the bottom left natural or 9. Wonder if he's trying to sneak it. Seems weird to give up the "free" 4th base and the defensive choke that the nat gives.
Seriously Protoss needs a huge combination of luck and skill to win a PvZ right now. How can you compete with infinite hydra? Can't believe Z complain about T when they have such an easy ass matchup v P since 3 hatch muta into 5 hatch hydra came out
On June 05 2010 17:32 On_Slaught wrote: WTF lomo. It's kwanro. As long as you don't 14cc it's a free win!
Someone's disillusional. Kwanro isn't bad lategame, he only played lategame vs Flash fyi.
He crushed Light in lategame multiple times in MSL opening with 3hat before pool too.
Yeah I know, but people only say it's bad because Flash made it look bad. Thanks for clearing that up, actually forgot that series which Kwanro 3-0'ed Light in (;
On June 05 2010 17:41 Vasoline73 wrote: Seriously Protoss needs a huge combination of luck and skill to win a PvZ right now. How can you compete with infinite hydra? Can't believe Z complain about T when they have such an easy ass matchup v P since 3 hatch muta into 5 hatch hydra came out
Well, Zergs have lost two starleagues in the last 1.5 year. They are struggling.
But they need to make some serious pro-protoss maps or something as this is getting silly
On June 05 2010 17:41 Vasoline73 wrote: Seriously Protoss needs a huge combination of luck and skill to win a PvZ right now. How can you compete with infinite hydra? Can't believe Z complain about T when they have such an easy ass matchup v P since 3 hatch muta into 5 hatch hydra came out
Well, Zergs have lost two starleagues in the last 1.5 year. They are struggling.
But they need to make some serious pro-protoss maps or something as this is getting silly
Yes, struggling. When was the last time you saw a Protoss player win a final?
On June 05 2010 17:41 Vasoline73 wrote: Seriously Protoss needs a huge combination of luck and skill to win a PvZ right now. How can you compete with infinite hydra? Can't believe Z complain about T when they have such an easy ass matchup v P since 3 hatch muta into 5 hatch hydra came out
Well, Zergs have lost two starleagues in the last 1.5 year. They are struggling.
But they need to make some serious pro-protoss maps or something as this is getting silly
Yes, struggling. When was the last time you saw a Protoss player win a final?
On June 05 2010 17:41 Vasoline73 wrote: Seriously Protoss needs a huge combination of luck and skill to win a PvZ right now. How can you compete with infinite hydra? Can't believe Z complain about T when they have such an easy ass matchup v P since 3 hatch muta into 5 hatch hydra came out
Well, Zergs have lost two starleagues in the last 1.5 year. They are struggling.
But they need to make some serious pro-protoss maps or something as this is getting silly
Yes, struggling. When was the last time you saw a Protoss player win a final?
On June 05 2010 17:41 Vasoline73 wrote: Seriously Protoss needs a huge combination of luck and skill to win a PvZ right now. How can you compete with infinite hydra? Can't believe Z complain about T when they have such an easy ass matchup v P since 3 hatch muta into 5 hatch hydra came out
Well, Zergs have lost two starleagues in the last 1.5 year. They are struggling.
But they need to make some serious pro-protoss maps or something as this is getting silly
Yes, struggling. When was the last time you saw a Protoss player win a final?
was it stork? Oh my....
yes. a more stunning fact: of the last 8 starleagues, zerg have won 6, and both nonzerg titles were to flash.
On June 05 2010 17:41 Vasoline73 wrote: Seriously Protoss needs a huge combination of luck and skill to win a PvZ right now. How can you compete with infinite hydra? Can't believe Z complain about T when they have such an easy ass matchup v P since 3 hatch muta into 5 hatch hydra came out
Well, Zergs have lost two starleagues in the last 1.5 year. They are struggling.
But they need to make some serious pro-protoss maps or something as this is getting silly
Losing 2 starleagues in the last 1.5 year but winning the rest? lol
yeah I think P needs to stop forge FE. They just give zerg freedom to take 2 expos early and any sort of zealot timing pushes doesnt work anymore because of sim city. Go back to 1 base-ing imo... or a very well executed sair reaver.
On June 05 2010 17:52 iLoveKT wrote: yeah I think P needs to stop forge FE. They just give zerg freedom to take 2 expos early and any sort of zealot timing pushes doesnt work anymore because of sim city. Go back to 1 base-ing imo... or a very well executed sair reaver.
1 base is a free win for zerg EVEN when zerg gets caught off guard with it. Protoss has lost all recent 1 basing games, and those aren't even that recent since no one wants to do it. Zergs do shit like accidentally making the third far away and they end up winning anyway.
On June 05 2010 17:41 Vasoline73 wrote: Seriously Protoss needs a huge combination of luck and skill to win a PvZ right now. How can you compete with infinite hydra? Can't believe Z complain about T when they have such an easy ass matchup v P since 3 hatch muta into 5 hatch hydra came out
Well, Zergs have lost two starleagues in the last 1.5 year. They are struggling.
But they need to make some serious pro-protoss maps or something as this is getting silly
Losing 2 starleagues in the last 1.5 year but winning the rest? lol
I was being sarcastic. Zergs have been on top of the game for a long time now and it will probably remain that way till the end of BW. Protoss are out of ideas and good protoss maps are no longer allowed it seems :D
On June 05 2010 17:52 iLoveKT wrote: yeah I think P needs to stop forge FE. They just give zerg freedom to take 2 expos early and any sort of zealot timing pushes doesnt work anymore because of sim city. Go back to 1 base-ing imo... or a very well executed sair reaver.
Haven't Protoss been doing 1-base builds for like 7 years straight before the Bisu-build became popular? And it was dealt with pretty easily most of the time by zergs and it's probably worse now with improved Zerg-builds/sim city.
Kwanro should have fought by his overlords earlier in that big fight. Absorb some more hits. He had already lost for not taking his 2nd gas earlier, but still
DT drop moving in now, turrets already going up and tons of mines planted but Stats is getting some damage in on the mineral line anyways. Probably won't get nearly enough, though.
On June 05 2010 18:26 Iplaythings wrote: People are prolly gonna realize that Roro is above average.
I mean, why else would wemade field him for Ace matches over and over?
I think anyone who played FPL the last year knows this. Because every single person had RoRo on his FPL on some point, oh a mediocre zerg that has 5/6 points, this is a freebie, then their anti team proceeds to get raped and they cant trade him away with anyone worse.
Lomo was behind after his push "turret-backed" at 9 was repelled. Stats was lucky with the mines there, but lomo didn't really do much to kill that dt after that.
On June 05 2010 18:40 Alaric wrote: Unmined main ftw. Way to go, Lomo.
In fairness, Lomo did have a fair number of mines in his main. He was hoping to bait Stats into one of those "lemme get my Arbiter as far in as possible then Recall", which would have killed the Recall instantly. He also had enough Turrets to keep Observers from getting in deep.
But Stats' advantage was so big that he just methodically Recalled at the edge and moved his way in.
On June 05 2010 18:41 johanes wrote: now Stats will go FE again and lose again...
Protoss has no choice but to fe.....
How? he can go 2 gate, and its not like 2 gate is all-in since zerg will need to give up economy to defend...
LOL 2 gate.
explain the hilarity, I frequently lose to 2 gate builds. The fact that it's not expected makes it just that much more effective
Two gate builds only work on idiots. If the two gate fails to do any real damage, which is rare these days since zergs are so good at defending against early zealots, you're utterly screwed because of how behind you are with your expansion and you've basically contained yourself until you can break through lurkers and/or mutalisks.
That was pathetic. He had 5 lurks and some hydra. Ran the lurkers in first, burrowed next to cannons and got them all shot. Pretty much cost him the game
Yeah Stats! The stream was buffering incredibly bad that I couldn't even watch... it seems to be like that all the time recently. is it my internet connection or have others also have occurred heavy buffering?
On June 05 2010 19:08 nozaro33 wrote: Yeah Stats! The stream was buffering incredibly bad that I couldn't even watch... it seems to be like that all the time recently. is it my internet connection or have others also have occurred heavy buffering?
If you see afreeca's blue buffer percentages showing up in the top left corner when it lags: its the stream lagging. If not, then its you.
On June 05 2010 19:08 nozaro33 wrote: Yeah Stats! The stream was buffering incredibly bad that I couldn't even watch... it seems to be like that all the time recently. is it my internet connection or have others also have occurred heavy buffering?
boes' link on the right was unusable for me due to buffering and browser complaints about a script hanging. the external zeroboy link at the top of the thread worked fine.
Well, Triathlon is kinda like outsider, in a sense that you can go 2 gate, put pressure and then expand at the backyard, or like God's Garden/Loki, where people used to go 1gate/2gate into expand in the backyard
On June 06 2010 08:02 Neighbor wrote: Great lost to Anytime's 2-gate on Fighting Spirit (although it was half a year ago when people were still 12 hatch-ing in ZvP).
That game was center 9/9 gates -_-
That was a pretty funny pl day. Ace tried to 3-0 khan with cheese but they got raped anyway.
On June 06 2010 05:27 Mortician wrote: Well, Triathlon is kinda like outsider, in a sense that you can go 2 gate, put pressure and then expand at the backyard, or like God's Garden/Loki, where people used to go 1gate/2gate into expand in the backyard
It's usually better just to 1 gate expo since your tech doesn't get fucked. 2 gate was usually better on Outsider because your back expo had no gas.
On June 06 2010 08:02 Neighbor wrote: Great lost to Anytime's 2-gate on Fighting Spirit (although it was half a year ago when people were still 12 hatch-ing in ZvP).
That game was center 9/9 gates -_-
That was a pretty funny pl day. Ace tried to 3-0 khan with cheese but they got raped anyway.
if you want to include proxies, kal just beat great on rhapsody a few weeks back in the ace match of STX vs Khan
but yea, standard 2gate is pretty much dead in Korea.