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checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
May 29 2010 17:52 GMT
#2901
Game 3 was a win for flash cause he losse to effort in game 5... he improve his build for 14cc in that map he losse that game to effort and then improve his build... awsome really
El amor no mueve al mundo, ni hace brillar el sol, pero el amor hace latir este corazon....
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 17:53:23
May 29 2010 17:53 GMT
#2902
On May 30 2010 02:49 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Flash Bonjwa! End of Discussion yo!

You serious? I see this a week after Effort destroyed him with pretty much just zerglings.
God Bless
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
May 29 2010 17:57 GMT
#2903
On May 30 2010 02:53 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 02:49 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Flash Bonjwa! End of Discussion yo!

You serious? I see this a week after Effort destroyed him with pretty much just zerglings.


I know, so easy, even JD couldn't do it!
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
May 29 2010 18:01 GMT
#2904
wow very intense series! at least flash isnt 14-ccing blindly now. He puts down the command center after he gets his scout in to see 12 hatch. Flash getting away with 14-cc basically GG!
Long live BroodWar!
VerticalHorizon
Profile Joined September 2004
United States415 Posts
May 29 2010 18:03 GMT
#2905
Jaedong = rolled
Call it the greatest sin to prefer existence over honor and, for the sake of life, to lose the reasons for living. - Juvenal, Satires
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
May 29 2010 18:04 GMT
#2906
On May 30 2010 02:50 dukethegold wrote:
Kwanro would have done better.

Hahahaha I was thinking exact same thing :D
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 29 2010 18:06 GMT
#2907
On May 30 2010 02:57 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 02:53 Roffles wrote:
On May 30 2010 02:49 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Flash Bonjwa! End of Discussion yo!

You serious? I see this a week after Effort destroyed him with pretty much just zerglings.


I know, so easy, even JD couldn't do it!

I know right? Such a dumb strategy. Too good for Flash to handle.
God Bless
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 18:08:00
May 29 2010 18:06 GMT
#2908
On May 30 2010 02:57 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 02:53 Roffles wrote:
On May 30 2010 02:49 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Flash Bonjwa! End of Discussion yo!

You serious? I see this a week after Effort destroyed him with pretty much just zerglings.


I know, so easy, even JD couldn't do it!

He'd have to win both leagues before he was undisputed Bonjwa. Bonjwa is a pretty heavy word, that's all there is to it D:

I'm aware not all past bonjwas did that, but Savior won an OSL after winning his third MSL then lost the fourth. The timing in which the victories occur is more important than how many they have.

Otherwise we'd call Jaedong a bonjwa, and most people don't.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 18:12:49
May 29 2010 18:11 GMT
#2909
Korean commentators already call Flash beyond Bonjwa. Sure he lost the OSL, but he did get to the finals. Defeating Jaedong in a BO5, consistantly making it to the finals/winning at least one SL every year, completely trashing everyone in PL, getting mentioned by other progamers in every single interview after each game (either positively or negatively) hes the player everyone is talking about.

Bonjwa.
always tired -_-
SturmAddict
Profile Joined October 2009
Malaysia176 Posts
May 29 2010 18:11 GMT
#2910
To me, i dont know about the B-word. but B-word always reminds me of that scum who sold games out for money.

Either way, to me, Flash is the kind of person who is really really really really really formidable in his mid and lategame. If a p/z player comes out of early game without a BO or "surprise" advantage, Flash is able to turn it to a win almost 95% of the time.

Flash shows plenty of time how, as long as he isnt in a massive surprise or bo disadvantage, he can always climb back into the game miraculously because of his incredible mechanic.

Whenever Flash decides to do a push,most of the time, it WILL succeed. This is shown brilliantly on game 1,2 his game vs action,kwanro, that he never pushes unless he is sure that he can win.


Thats why it is difficult to find a "standard game" won against flash nowadays. Every time its 1 rax cc vs 3 hatch, every time its 12nex vs ccfaccc, Flash somehow is able to win.

Most players fighting Flash has to find answers to fight Flash style with 3 hatch before pool, 12 nex fast arbiters, or anything that Flash might not expect to pull a win.

However, unlike Bisu, who is well known for also having good mechanics 2 years ago, Bisu always plays safe. When he fights go.go, ur dam sure he is going to go 1 base fast obs, and expand.

Thats how imo, Flash is different.
Being a mortal he knows that he isnt immune from early game Build order advantages. He knows how to mix up risky 9 scout 14cc, 12cc, 8 forward rax play with his usual 1 rax CC style which makes him incredibly hard to predict.

Sure, he is gonna lose once in a while for having a large BO disadvantage versus mediocre player. But no one will overpower him mid/lategame. And most players who pull wins vs this style are considered "cheap wins" anyways.

To me thats how flash and jD are different from other progamers.
Here's to another JD vs Flash next starleague.
cheers!
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
May 29 2010 18:15 GMT
#2911
14cc=gayer than power outage
altered
Profile Joined March 2008
Switzerland646 Posts
May 29 2010 18:17 GMT
#2912
On May 30 2010 02:53 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 02:49 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Flash Bonjwa! End of Discussion yo!

You serious? I see this a week after Effort destroyed him with pretty much just zerglings.



well it was 3-2, i wouldn call that destroyed. but yeah we all know u hate flash.
Does Flash dream of electric Romeo?
kyophan
Profile Joined January 2010
United States113 Posts
May 29 2010 18:18 GMT
#2913
This final was very anti-climatic...
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 29 2010 18:23 GMT
#2914
VODs are added to the tracker. I'd suggest watching the Pregame, as it's probably the best thing that happened last night.
God Bless
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
May 29 2010 18:32 GMT
#2915
Oh man, wining with x3 14cc is even bald'er than with x3 bunker rush =D.
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
May 29 2010 18:35 GMT
#2916
On May 30 2010 02:53 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 02:49 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Flash Bonjwa! End of Discussion yo!

You serious? I see this a week after Effort destroyed him with pretty much just zerglings.

Look at this fucking statistics man


no player has been so strong in the history of the game; if that isn't a bonjwa I don't know what is.
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
May 29 2010 18:38 GMT
#2917
On May 30 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:
VODs are added to the tracker. I'd suggest watching the Pregame, as it's probably the best thing that happened last night.

lmao did you lose money on Jaedong or something
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
May 29 2010 18:38 GMT
#2918
On May 30 2010 03:35 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 02:53 Roffles wrote:
On May 30 2010 02:49 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Flash Bonjwa! End of Discussion yo!

You serious? I see this a week after Effort destroyed him with pretty much just zerglings.

Look at this fucking statistics man


no player has been so strong in the history of the game; if that isn't a bonjwa I don't know what is.

Someone with 4+ golds under his belt with no rivals during his peak. And Flash doesn't satisfy either of these conditions. Especially because 14cc is as cheesy as 8rax.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 29 2010 18:41 GMT
#2919
On May 30 2010 03:35 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 02:53 Roffles wrote:
On May 30 2010 02:49 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Flash Bonjwa! End of Discussion yo!

You serious? I see this a week after Effort destroyed him with pretty much just zerglings.

Look at this fucking statistics man


no player has been so strong in the history of the game; if that isn't a bonjwa I don't know what is.

And I care about statistics because?

To me, ever since Mr. Ma came around, there hasn't been a legitimate "bonjwa". To me, there's no player that is unquestionably hands down THE best player in the world. I haven't had that feeling since Savior, when he would just completely annihilate ANYONE he played. I just don't get the same feeling with Flash. There are still a few players that can challenge Flash at a reasonable level these days (Like Jaedong, Effort, etc). There's just no clear cut absolutely dominant player today.

God Bless
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 29 2010 18:42 GMT
#2920
On May 30 2010 03:38 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 03:23 Roffles wrote:
VODs are added to the tracker. I'd suggest watching the Pregame, as it's probably the best thing that happened last night.

lmao did you lose money on Jaedong or something

No, just disappointed because Jaedong played like rubbish.
God Bless
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