EPTeffort/flash. games were flukes, flash was the better player, and effort won
flash/jd. games were not flukes, flash was the better player, and flash won
not to spark a flame war, but thats basically how it went down
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
effort/flash. games were flukes, flash was the better player, and effort won flash/jd. games were not flukes, flash was the better player, and flash won not to spark a flame war, but thats basically how it went down | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
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EntertainMe
864 Posts
On May 30 2010 01:56 hitthat wrote: why the hell some zergs crying "Imba" when their favorite player is beaten? Zerg and terran are quite balanced. In other hand, this season protoss are in big trouble. Last year i thouth that was sligth T<P, now i think its rather T>>>P and Z>>>>>>>>>>P. It's said by the guy who LOVES terran and "gay" builds. I hope it's just a short trend and Protoss will recover soon. The fact that starcraft remains competitive e-sport for over 10 years and still has all 3 races should be enough evidence that the game is not imba toward one race. There can be a period where one race excells over the other two, but in the end, it always balances out. | ||
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Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
On May 30 2010 02:01 jamesr12 wrote: vods anywhere? was not staying up for a 4am start They're up at Jon747's channel: http://www.youtube.com/jon747 | ||
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Piste
6184 Posts
game 3, jaedong was frustrated as he couldn't match Flash's sick uber skills and tried to all in. He sacrifed a lot of eco for those hydras (speed, range, drone cut). And becouse of the map he couldn't just only contain and try to catch up economically as Flash would have got another expansion by just leapfrogging few tanks and later on win the game since he is the god of starcraft and his lategame multitasking is not understandable by mortals. There are huge amount of JD fan boys and every time I only hear excuses from them. Sorry guys but RIGHT NOW Flash is the world's best player, and it's not a shame to get 3-0'd by him. ![[image loading]](http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1240/50362639.jpg) | ||
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MarKoNiO
Peru888 Posts
Flash is a killing machine, he deserves this. Terran pride~ | ||
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AleC
332 Posts
And it wasn't even to Jaedong.... it was to MVP xD | ||
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Random_0
United States1163 Posts
Look, in game 1, Flash did Fantasy's patented "build 1 of everything behind a wall-in" build. Jaedong has seen this before, has annihilated Fantasy doing the same build. It's just that Flash executed it a lot better, with better timing, and was able to blow up Jaedong's natural with his pushes. Similarly, game 3 resembled very closely the recent Proleague Ace Match between Fantasy and Jaedong. In that game, Jaedong saw Fantasy go fast expand on Match Point. He went all-in 3 hatch hydra, and rolled him. Flash knew that Jaedong had played this game, and, instead of relying on crummy spider mines to delay the hydra push, researched siege mode. It finished just in time. Moreover, Flash doesn't take chances against the all-in. He had like 10 SCVs repairing where Fantasy tries to skimp and repair with 3. Combined with the siege mode, he just held off Jaedong, and won the game. Anyways, my point is: some of the games very closely resembled Jaedong's recent matches with fantasy. Flash was able to predict Jaedong's reaction based on those games, and executed a little bit better to win. | ||
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SturmAddict
Malaysia176 Posts
Note, every natural must have a choke in order for protoss not to rage. Thats why its simple that every nat can be blocked with terran buildings, as long as gaps can be closed with scv's. good job flash Jaedong also shows that he has spent a lot of time on sunken defence, which is shown on his sunken wall in game 1. kudos to jaedong. btw. i dont think the game is up yet on Jon747 | ||
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Piste
6184 Posts
 On May 30 2010 02:21 Random_0 wrote: I didn't see anyone mention the real person Flash owes for his victory - Fantasy. Look, in game 1, Flash did Fantasy's patented "build 1 of everything behind a wall-in" build. Jaedong has seen this before, has annihilated Fantasy doing the same build. It's just that Flash executed it a lot better, with better timing, and was able to blow up Jaedong's natural with his pushes. Similarly, game 3 resembled very closely the recent Proleague Ace Match between Fantasy and Jaedong. In that game, Jaedong saw Fantasy go fast expand on Match Point. He went all-in 3 hatch hydra, and rolled him. Flash knew that Jaedong had played this game, and, instead of relying on crummy spider mines to delay the hydra push, researched siege mode. It finished just in time. Moreover, Flash doesn't take chances against the all-in. He had like 10 SCVs repairing where Fantasy tries to skimp and repair with 3. Combined with the siege mode, he just held off Jaedong, and won the game. Anyways, my point is: some of the games very closely resembled Jaedong's recent matches with fantasy. Flash was able to predict Jaedong's reaction based on those games, and executed a little bit better to win. | ||
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Blyadischa
419 Posts
On May 30 2010 02:21 Random_0 wrote: I didn't see anyone mention the real person Flash owes for his victory - Fantasy. Look, in game 1, Flash did Fantasy's patented "build 1 of everything behind a wall-in" build. Jaedong has seen this before, has annihilated Fantasy doing the same build. It's just that Flash executed it a lot better, with better timing, and was able to blow up Jaedong's natural with his pushes. Similarly, game 3 resembled very closely the recent Proleague Ace Match between Fantasy and Jaedong. In that game, Jaedong saw Fantasy go fast expand on Match Point. He went all-in 3 hatch hydra, and rolled him. Flash knew that Jaedong had played this game, and, instead of relying on crummy spider mines to delay the hydra push, researched siege mode. It finished just in time. Moreover, Flash doesn't take chances against the all-in. He had like 10 SCVs repairing where Fantasy tries to skimp and repair with 3. Combined with the siege mode, he just held off Jaedong, and won the game. Anyways, my point is: some of the games very closely resembled Jaedong's recent matches with fantasy. Flash was able to predict Jaedong's reaction based on those games, and executed a little bit better to win. In game 1 I don't think Jaedong saw that build before. I think initially he though Flash was going mech and took too many expansions. Flash instead of meching just fast teched and got a really fast push timing with 2 vessels and 2 tanks by the time he got to the natural. Flash didn't execute it the best he could though, he lost his first tank and let Jaedong get defilers out before he could bust the natural, and that was due to a simple positional mistake. If you say Flash should credit his build to fantasy, then Jaedong would have to credit zerg players that had created build before him. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On May 30 2010 02:21 Random_0 wrote: I didn't see anyone mention the real person Flash owes for his victory - Fantasy. Look, in game 1, Flash did Fantasy's patented "build 1 of everything behind a wall-in" build. Jaedong has seen this before, has annihilated Fantasy doing the same build. It's just that Flash executed it a lot better, with better timing, and was able to blow up Jaedong's natural with his pushes. Similarly, game 3 resembled very closely the recent Proleague Ace Match between Fantasy and Jaedong. In that game, Jaedong saw Fantasy go fast expand on Match Point. He went all-in 3 hatch hydra, and rolled him. Flash knew that Jaedong had played this game, and, instead of relying on crummy spider mines to delay the hydra push, researched siege mode. It finished just in time. Moreover, Flash doesn't take chances against the all-in. He had like 10 SCVs repairing where Fantasy tries to skimp and repair with 3. Combined with the siege mode, he just held off Jaedong, and won the game. Anyways, my point is: some of the games very closely resembled Jaedong's recent matches with fantasy. Flash was able to predict Jaedong's reaction based on those games, and executed a little bit better to win. I haven't seen Fantasy's games so I can't say for certain, but I highly doubt Flash based his strategies off solely Fantasy. There's more to a strategy than just what units are made at some random point in time. Builds are often tailored down to supply count and exact timings, and I doubt that Flash just used Fantasy's build and changed what he researched at the Factory. Progamers emulate one another all the time and adapt to a wide variety of builds. By your logic, Jaedong should owe much of his success to JulyZerg for inventing 2hatch muta, or Flash should owe his success in GOMTV Invitational to iloveoov for using the Double Armory build against Protosses. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that Flash completely ignored Fantasy's strategies, but I highly doubt Flash based his builds around just one specific player. And this is coming from someone who is a loyal T1 fan and would love to see SKT rise to glory again. I just don't want to take any credit away from Flash, I guess. He's really good at what he does and I think all his wins (and losses) were earned mostly by him. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On May 30 2010 02:20 xAlec wrote: Did anyone realize that Flash only lost 1 game his entire MSL run this season?? And it wasn't even to Jaedong.... it was to MVP xD You forgot Midas. | ||
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Servius_Fulvius
United States947 Posts
(Yes, I know I'm terrible too...) http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=35497 | ||
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Piste
6184 Posts
You should read more than first row of each reply.. | ||
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knightpraetor
United States180 Posts
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
Kwanro would have done better. | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
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khersai
Poland366 Posts
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