EPT[MSL] Grand Final - Page 144
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
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adamisuber
Canada35 Posts
Jesus I hope so. That was the most biased game "review" I've read in awhile. If it flash's build "bordered on cheesy" why did Flash use the same build against Jaedong and win game 2? I don't even know how you can believe what you're writing. Effort cheesed his way to victory, jaedong should have changed his play | ||
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Insight
19 Posts
On May 29 2010 22:17 Shikyo wrote: Apparently I do know better? I do know I was calling him an idiot numerous times while watching the series, and he ended up losing awfully in all those games. Look if he had 3 tanks and like 6 goliaths, a 18 Hydra flank would destroy that. He only had 2 factories, it takes time. Also, are mutas really the most popular vs mech? You mean pure muta, or muta transition? Since hydra openings are extremely common, I'd say even more common than mutas, and by falling down to contain he had a much better chance to win. I'd say that it is a lot more common to open with economic hydras and later perform a muta switch. Proof about mutas being more "usual" please. I know tanks had a 1-0 upgrade, but that in fact affects Hydras in no way. 2 hits, 2 hits. But yeah the +1 was really useful because of the amount of goliaths to clean the Hydras up in less hits, but that still would have been the better thing to do O_o In game 1 his build just had 0% chance of working so I'm not sure what he even was thinking, and in game 2 he played really bad. Game 1 was the worst one by far, it's the same insta-lose build he did vs Fantasy on Outsider, and the same thing happened today: insta-lose. the game was over when he failed to kill the bunker first time around, you dont come back after failing to bust nat vs 14 cc, specially when you don't do any damage at all and even more so against flash he knew that only shot has has is ending the game in second weave and he was well aware that the chance of success is like 5% tops | ||
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eNtitY~
United States1293 Posts
On May 30 2010 01:04 lone_hydra wrote: People who say finals are awesome are pretty much Flash fanboys trying to hype his win. People who say they weren't are Jaedong fanboys trying to discourage others from watching it  | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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Deathfate
Spain555 Posts
As a jaedong fan this was painful to watch, game 1 was ok, i think game 2 was totally in flash favor since he went valkirie and MnM vs only muta but was super risky, if jaedong had opened lurkers it would have been the oposite. Game 3 was a fail, i dont know if it were the maps or what but jaedong underperformed compared to the last final. Hope he gets his infuriate feelings and make a super come back in the next one if it ever exists. GG flash | ||
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Insight
19 Posts
On May 29 2010 23:26 12yearsofsc wrote: Well the facts until now. Flash promotes the cheesy eco terran builds (14cc or rax FE) and shows terran players how this builds can be safe than risky. Result: A large number of terrans follow this build this season and we have a lot of them qualifying. (They don't get to the finals because you need +skill also). Games until now show that Flash's build can be beaten only by exception by protoss and zerg. In other words 90% of the time if you fail to harass against terran you lose because of their ability to be stronger on same bases. If the maps continue to provide a safe 2nd terran expansion at the very start (going fast pool or double proxy barracks being the only counter and that also risky) then we are talking about a new terran era. Between same skill zerg, terran, protoss and with the same luck terran will prevail. Effort played much more skillfully than Flash in the finals only to get a close 3-2. If the skill was race reversed we should see an easy 3-0. Losing in the first assault terrans can bunker down and get a 2nd or even 3rd chance in the game. The other 2 races are so fragile that losing in the first assault results to instant loss. I won't expand to specific details about races but really i would like to see some 2 clear entrance bases or large openings on natural expansion for well being of human race I hope you don't reproduce | ||
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shalafi
394 Posts
On May 30 2010 01:14 eNtitY~ wrote: People who say they weren't are Jaedong fanboys trying to discourage others from watching it Ugh no, the series were bad. I also said that the last MSL were JD 3-1 Flash were bad. | ||
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Exteray
United States1094 Posts
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
If its a Bo5, then its Jaedong Thats what the poll results said 1. 3-2 JD 2. 3-2 Flash 3. 3-1 JD 4. 3-1 Flash 5. 3-0 JD 6. 3-0 Flash This was the results of the poll before the games were over lol how the least-voted result was the actual results | ||
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
// Looks like plexa got an excuse to keep Flash #1 on power rankings now. | ||
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InTheFade
United States1721 Posts
... ... Ouch! LoL Flash 14 CCed in all three games and Jaedong didn't punish him for it once. Flash actually went valks in the second game and won... with valks, people. Jaedong completely threw in the towel when he went up against that wall with 3/4 tanks behind it. Those last two attacks were pitiful. This was almost as bad of a rape as the Arena MSL finals. Well done, Flash. Well done. But seriously, have you noticed the things that always get him killed by zergs (valk builds, 14 cc, one-of-everything build, mech) all freaking worked? Jaedong wasn't all that aggressive and it played perfectly into Flash's hands, somehow that guy knew he was safe each game. Amazing. Flash looked so happy. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On May 30 2010 01:25 shalafi wrote: Ugh no, the series were bad. I also said that the last MSL were JD 3-1 Flash were bad. Hahaha holy crap did you even watch the last MSL's games? Up until the Power Outage it was fucking amazing. | ||
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shalafi
394 Posts
On May 30 2010 01:43 TwoToneTerran wrote: Hahaha holy crap did you even watch the last MSL's games? Up until the Power Outage it was fucking amazing. Of course. But what's your rating of them? I rate them bad because Flash couldn't show all his potential after the mess. And neither did JD. I didn't say "They were amazing" just because JD won, even if I'm a JD fan. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 29 2010 18:40 Hot_Bid wrote: Flash deserved his MSL Effort deserved his OSL Whiners, stfu. Oh I can't wait to see Effort as #2 on the next Power Rank ^_^ | ||
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EntertainMe
864 Posts
I really hope so... Jaedong did not try to outpower Flash. If you really believe this... then you are also claiming every single zerg user who starts with muta build is trying to outpower terran, and therefore, "playing uncharacteristically poorly". Jaedong tried to counter Flash's build by harrassing and by doing so, keep Flash in his base. Because Flash was going for Valk, thus lack of turrets, for a player with godly control, it was not a bad move at the given situation. By keeping Flash in his base, or at least delaying his attack. Jaedong could run his 2nd expansion and make transition into different tech alot more smooth than changing his whole army only after realizing Flash is going valk. Also Jaedong still could've won in that game if the scourges killed the valks right away instead of circling once then attacking, making mutas take more damage than it should have. With that small mistake (can't really call it a mistake, but for the lack of term), the battle became a horrible fight. Also Effort is getting all the credit he deserves, which shouldn't be as much as what Flash deserve for winning this MSL. Flash had to prepare for both leagues and while one of them is against his rival and arguably the best player in the world along with Flash. Also many are speculating that Flash held back playing against Effort to save some of his plan against his rival, Jaedong. But that's only speculations. But from the tone of your writing, I can tell that you're neither Jaedong or Effort fan, you seem more like Flash-hater fan. Your view can not be more corrupted or twisted. | ||
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TheTeamLiquidTiger
United States627 Posts
Flash is just........a machine........... | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
In other hand, this season protoss are in big trouble. Last year i thouth that was sligth T<P, now i think its rather T>>>P and Z>>>>>>>>>>P. It's said by the guy who LOVES terran and "gay" builds. I hope it's just a short trend and Protoss will recover soon. | ||
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