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Biff The Understudy
France7949 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:19 Kyo Yuy wrote: AHAHAHAHAHA Me and my big mouth. (I wrote this in the Hana Daetoo MSL Semifinal B winner interview thread. I seriously did not expect it to happen. Looks like I jinxed myself) You should play lottery now. Right now. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On May 29 2010 22:04 7mk wrote: well JD still made some bad mistakes, but I dont wanna take anything away from flash, today he was gonna win this either way. Jaedong is the most mentally strong player in the Starcraft proscene. I've thought this ever since I saw him play and I still think it to this day. That's why I don't think Jaedong ever choked in the series. Especially since Jaedong is known for his series play - Jaedong is an ummovable brick wall as far as mental fortitude is concerned, if he lost it was because of bad decision making and not because of any emotional issues. And that is why Jaedong will only come back stronger. He'll be like Nada and keep going until his age makes it too hard for him to keep up. ...But I must say, I hope Flash wins the OSL next season and gets his well deserved Golden Mouse :< | ||
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LuigiNMario
United States456 Posts
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12yearsofsc
Greece30 Posts
NOT because it was one sided. NOT because my fav lost (most ppl judge the greatness by whether their favorite player wins or loses) BECAUSE this final could be the best of all time, with 2 huge-skill players, no one with a clear advantage (50-50% poll). Also BW needed this final to be epic to counter the appearance of SC2 and the rigged games. There is a chance that we meet such a hyped final again in more than 1 season, and by that time BW is going to lose its current popularity. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On May 29 2010 22:14 12yearsofsc wrote: Well i think it was the most disappointing finals ever. NOT because it was one sided. NOT because my fav lost (most ppl judge the greatness by whether their favorite player wins or loses) BECAUSE this final could be the best of all time, with 2 huge-skill players, no one with a clear advantage (50-50% poll). Also BW needed this final to be epic to counter the appearance of SC2 and the rigged games. There is a chance that we meet such a hyped final again in more than 1 season, and by that time BW is going to lose its current popularity. Most disappointing was obviously the power outage last finals. | ||
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Zhul
Czech Republic430 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 29 2010 21 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 29 2010 21 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 29 2010 21 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:57 Zed.iii wrote: Yeah ok well you for sure knows better than Jaedong... Ok btw did you know that the most usual play vs mech as zerg is Muta? Bet you didn't Oh and those tanks had 1-0 upgrade, he would just need to lift his rax and push slowly with his tanks, gg that mapcontrol is gone for jd Apparently I do know better? I do know I was calling him an idiot numerous times while watching the series, and he ended up losing awfully in all those games. Look if he had 3 tanks and like 6 goliaths, a 18 Hydra flank would destroy that. He only had 2 factories, it takes time. Also, are mutas really the most popular vs mech? You mean pure muta, or muta transition? Since hydra openings are extremely common, I'd say even more common than mutas, and by falling down to contain he had a much better chance to win. I'd say that it is a lot more common to open with economic hydras and later perform a muta switch. Proof about mutas being more "usual" please. I know tanks had a 1-0 upgrade, but that in fact affects Hydras in no way. 2 hits, 2 hits. But yeah the +1 was really useful because of the amount of goliaths to clean the Hydras up in less hits, but that still would have been the better thing to do O_o In game 1 his build just had 0% chance of working so I'm not sure what he even was thinking, and in game 2 he played really bad. Game 1 was the worst one by far, it's the same insta-lose build he did vs Fantasy on Outsider, and the same thing happened today: insta-lose. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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12yearsofsc
Greece30 Posts
And pf happened at the end of game 3 (Flash didn't know whether JD had 2 or 10 ultra coming to his base and the fact that his father overreacted, so as a programmer he should assume that the decision is right. He saw the whole thing after, so you can't assume that he was affected that much). And don't forget, BW needed that final today to be great. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
Go Flash! | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
Damn that was quite anticlimatic...two of the best players in history of BW and it becomes this one sided, JD was just getting toyed with from the looks of it  Even though Flash is my favorite player, I wished the finals were closer than they were. | ||
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naneri
Kyrgyzstan165 Posts
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Horiz0n
Sweden364 Posts
Sad it ended in 3 games Reminds me a bit of ShinHan2005 OSL (July vs IloveOov) by being anticlimactic... Jaedong should pactice more against 14cc though | ||
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eNyoron
United States170 Posts
Also, people aren't giving Effort the credit he really deserves. If you count the regame as a win for Effort (he was definitely ahead), he's 5-2 against Flash this month (and undefeated otherwise). The proleague game was a long winded macro game with effort slowly deconstructing flash's mech build with superior tech switching, multitasking, unit control and map control. Game 1 (that was redone): Flash did a valk build that bordered on cheesey, got scouted, and Effort handled it perfectly. Game 3: Seeing a trend of 14ccs Effort cheeses and wins. This is his ONLY cheese win. Game 4: Effort is wary of a cheese build since Flash is 2-1, so he sends his ovie to the middle. Reads Flash like a book. Dominates. Game 5: Sees 14cc, transition from an econ heavy lair build into mass speedlings. Counters a cheese opening with the aggression that cheese opening is very weak to and wins the game. So two (arguably three) of those games are Effort countering Flash's cheese build. 1 is Effort cheesing, and 1 (arguably 2) Flash style macro games where Effort still pulls out ahead. Also, a lot of people are saying that Effort wouldn't beat Flash in standard macro games (like the 3 Flash just decimated Jaedong with). Well DUH. That's Flash's specialty. It's like saying Flash couldn't beat Effort if all the games were 1base bio against 2 hatch lurker (or something like that). Effort did not succeed where Jaedong failed because Flash was playing better in the MSL. Effort succeeded because he simply played the Bo5 better than Jaedong. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On May 29 2010 21:56 Bac wrote: You're out of your goddamn mind. Most disappointing finals was  Calm vs Kwanro, it's not even a contest. Even the power outage was better than Calm vs Kwanro | ||
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
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BDK
United States8 Posts
On May 29 2010 22:41 eNyoron wrote: Jaedong played uncharacteristically poorly. He was also determined to just out power flash with mutas, even when Flash's build was designed against it. Also, people aren't giving Effort the credit he really deserves. If you count the regame as a win for Effort (he was definitely ahead), he's 5-2 against Flash this month (and undefeated otherwise). The proleague game was a long winded macro game with effort slowly deconstructing flash's mech build with superior tech switching, multitasking, unit control and map control. Game 1 (that was redone): Flash did a valk build that bordered on cheesey, got scouted, and Effort handled it perfectly. Game 3: Seeing a trend of 14ccs Effort cheeses and wins. This is his ONLY cheese win. Game 4: Effort is wary of a cheese build since Flash is 2-1, so he sends his ovie to the middle. Reads Flash like a book. Dominates. Game 5: Sees 14cc, transition from an econ heavy lair build into mass speedlings. Counters a cheese opening with the aggression that cheese opening is very weak to and wins the game. So two (arguably three) of those games are Effort countering Flash's cheese build. 1 is Effort cheesing, and 1 (arguably 2) Flash style macro games where Effort still pulls out ahead. Also, a lot of people are saying that Effort wouldn't beat Flash in standard macro games (like the 3 Flash just decimated Jaedong with). Well DUH. That's Flash's specialty. It's like saying Flash couldn't beat Effort if all the games were 1base bio against 2 hatch lurker (or something like that). Effort did not succeed where Jaedong failed because Flash was playing better in the MSL. Effort succeeded because he simply played the Bo5 better than Jaedong. This. I agree. I like how you analyzed what happen exactly, instead of blindly being like everyone else who only cares about the winner. The last sentences is very true. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On May 29 2010 23:01 Sadistx wrote: You're out of your goddamn mind. Most disappointing finals was Calm vs Kwanro, it's not even a contest. Even the power outage was better than Calm vs Kwanroreally how was this good? calm vs kwanro was soo much better | ||
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stolensheep
United Kingdom306 Posts
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gravity
Australia1988 Posts
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