EPTOn May 14 2010 20:31 Elroi wrote:
How was this series not convincing? it was like the worst roflstomp ever.
How was this series not convincing? it was like the worst roflstomp ever.
I feel like it's more about what Kal didn't, not what Effort did.
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
I feel like it's more about what Kal didn't, not what Effort did. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4757 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:24 teamsolid wrote: You know Protoss are slumping HARD when Kal is considered the current best P. He was always pretty good but never dominant back when the 6 dragons were raping everyone. Exactly my thoughts. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:28 Demand2k wrote: Bisu has nothing to be embarassed of, he's given us years of dominance and great play. Effort disappointed us all by starting to slump in the middle of his rise to fame. But I'm delighted that he's started showing his true self again, though this series was hardly the most convincing 3-0 rape. Look, I actually like effort (I just happen to like Kal more), and a year ago he was a zvt monster. However, its been a year, and effort's vT is terrible now. All I'm saying is that expecting him to play as he did a year ago (and flash to regress to his state from a year ago) is pretty unlikely. The way things are atm, I'm not expecting much from these finals, and I do think that Kal would have put up a much better challenge, and his games against Flash are usually very entertaining. Gotta play the hand you're dealt with I guess. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:32 Holgerius wrote: Worst roflstomp ever? Have you seen Flash's latest Bo5's?  Yeah, EffOrt fan that I am, I'd have to admit that this wasn't even the worst beatdown of the last week. And this: On May 14 2010 20:30 Malinor wrote: Did Bisu reach the OSL final 10 minutes ago? He was lucky in the group stages, so what, he is 2-0/3-0 afterwards. And my point is he has shown S-Class play before, he was slumping, but now he obviously isn't. Should not be to hard to understand. | ||
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emoniax
Philippines81 Posts
3-0 nothing more, nothing less... Noone can beat the ULTIMATE WEAPON!!! not even jd and alien combined | ||
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Kuzmorgo
Hungary1058 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:29 7mk wrote: One question: Would anyone rather have a shine vs flash finals? If the answer is yes you must be insane Thats not the point They just dont want an Effort vs Flash finals... Also i think Effort's play is pretty much proving that he is legitimately here... But whatever. No point in arguing with haters. GGs anyway!!! | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:29 7mk wrote: One question: Would anyone rather have a shine vs flash finals? If the answer is yes you must be insane i doubt shine could go past kal, making mass mutas doesn't make you a good ZvP | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:32 SubtleArt wrote: ] Well, lets look at how he lost those 4 games: v JD: No turrets in main, gets owned by 12p lair v Zero: Turret it main this time but still skimps turrets and gets owned by 12p lair v Hyun: Skimps turrets gets owned once again by early mutas (forget the exact build) vs Hyvaa is the only 1 he lost that wasn't in the early game (Fine, v Hyun lasted like 30 minutes but it was well over after the muta harass in the beginning). I'm sure if flash decides to even cut scvs for 5 seconds to get like 2 extra turrets up its no prob. The natural mineral line is a nightmare to defend from uta harass If ForGG knows how to defend against early muta harass on match point, then so can Flash. At the end of the OSL finals, match point will no longer be a weakness to Flash. | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:29 7mk wrote: One question: Would anyone rather have a shine vs flash finals? If the answer is yes you must be insane Then let's just go ahead and fix all the games so our favorite players win and we get the expected finals every time! That's a pretty irrelevant argument, all the more so because Shine probably wouldn't have made it past both Zero and Kal. | ||
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dtnmang
Vietnam752 Posts
Or maybe the coachs will not (coincidentally) send Effort against Flash, which will not ruin the fun. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:30 Malinor wrote: Did Bisu reach the OSL final 10 minutes ago? He was lucky in the group stages, so what, he is 2-0/3-0 afterwards. And my point is he has shown S-Class play before, he was slumping, but now he obviously isn't. Should not be to hard to understand. His vP is top notch, I didn't say otherwise. His vZ is pretty good as well. His vT is a disaster, and has been that way for a year. It's so far from S-Class now that I wouldn't even say its a slump. | ||
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x11tman
Finland50 Posts
I want my Bisu back. | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:33 Demand2k wrote: I feel like it's more about what Kal didn't, not what Effort did. See templar sniping, see observer sniping, see godly macro, see excellent game sense. On May 14 2010 20:33 moopie wrote: Look, I actually like effort (I just happen to like Kal more), and a year ago he was a zvt monster. However, its been a year, and effort's vT is terrible now. All I'm saying is that expecting him to play as he did a year ago (and flash to regress to his state from a year ago) is pretty unlikely. The way things are atm, I'm not expecting much from these finals, and I do think that Kal would have put up a much better challenge, and his games against Flash are usually very entertaining. Gotta play the hand you're dealt with I guess. Check out EffOrt v. fantasy. Check out Flash v. any protoss. I agree that Kal would give Flash a challenge, but I also know that EffOrt will, and I'm not convinced that EffOrt does this 'losing' thing anymore. *** I love doing starcraft PR-cleanup. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:29 7mk wrote: One question: Would anyone rather have a shine vs flash finals? If the answer is yes you must be insane I don't know about "rather", but it would be interesting. | ||
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Lazerbeems
151 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4757 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:36 moopie wrote: His vP is top notch, I didn't say otherwise. His vZ is pretty good as well. His vT is a disaster, and has been that way for a year. It's so far from S-Class now that I wouldn't even say its a slump. I disagree, we'll see in a week who is right  | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
The point was (besides that its a hilarious thought) that effort, no matter what happened in the group stages, is a much more deserving finalist than him. And since he just roflstomped Kal, he's also a more deserving finalist than Kal. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:09 Lann555 wrote: I think Kal would have done better vs Shine, but yeah, Shine could have easily made the final too if he had won the tie-breakers. Someone has forgotten how much of a ZvP beast Shine is when he brings his A game to it... Knocked out Stork and Bisu ( 3-1 and 2-1 if I get it right...) after losing to move 3-1 (who had beat Zero as well...). | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:37 Lazerbeems wrote: Either way, the LR threads of the finals will be an absolute horror to read since the only fanbase more annoying than Flash/Jaedong/Bisu fanboys would be CJ fanboys. Really? I like to think of CJ fans as optimistic and happy about their player, not smug and overconfident. | ||
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InDaHouse
Sweden956 Posts
What do you do against players like EffOrt, Jaedong and Zero who all has great anti-harass skills in ZvP. You starve them to death when playing passive like Stork does vs Jaedong here. | ||
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