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Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
May 14 2010 11:33 GMT
#881
On May 14 2010 20:31 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:28 Demand2k wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:24 moopie wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:21 Malinor wrote:
One year ago EffOrt was believed to be the next zerg overmind, and now everyone is like he is the worst zerg ever.


Yes, and a year ago bisu was a monster, and now everyone is like he is the worst protoss ever.

your point?


Bisu has nothing to be embarassed of, he's given us years of dominance and great play. Effort disappointed us all by starting to slump in the middle of his rise to fame. But I'm delighted that he's started showing his true self again, though this series was hardly the most convincing 3-0 rape.


How was this series not convincing? it was like the worst roflstomp ever.


I feel like it's more about what Kal didn't, not what Effort did.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
May 14 2010 11:33 GMT
#882
On May 14 2010 20:24 teamsolid wrote:
You know Protoss are slumping HARD when Kal is considered the current best P. He was always pretty good but never dominant back when the 6 dragons were raping everyone.


Exactly my thoughts.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 14 2010 11:33 GMT
#883
On May 14 2010 20:28 Demand2k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:24 moopie wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:21 Malinor wrote:
One year ago EffOrt was believed to be the next zerg overmind, and now everyone is like he is the worst zerg ever.


Yes, and a year ago bisu was a monster, and now everyone is like he is the worst protoss ever.

your point?


Bisu has nothing to be embarassed of, he's given us years of dominance and great play. Effort disappointed us all by starting to slump in the middle of his rise to fame. But I'm delighted that he's started showing his true self again, though this series was hardly the most convincing 3-0 rape.


Look, I actually like effort (I just happen to like Kal more), and a year ago he was a zvt monster. However, its been a year, and effort's vT is terrible now. All I'm saying is that expecting him to play as he did a year ago (and flash to regress to his state from a year ago) is pretty unlikely. The way things are atm, I'm not expecting much from these finals, and I do think that Kal would have put up a much better challenge, and his games against Flash are usually very entertaining. Gotta play the hand you're dealt with I guess.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
May 14 2010 11:33 GMT
#884
On May 14 2010 20:32 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:31 Elroi wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:28 Demand2k wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:24 moopie wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:21 Malinor wrote:
One year ago EffOrt was believed to be the next zerg overmind, and now everyone is like he is the worst zerg ever.


Yes, and a year ago bisu was a monster, and now everyone is like he is the worst protoss ever.

your point?


Bisu has nothing to be embarassed of, he's given us years of dominance and great play. Effort disappointed us all by starting to slump in the middle of his rise to fame. But I'm delighted that he's started showing his true self again, though this series was hardly the most convincing 3-0 rape.


How was this series not convincing? it was like the worst roflstomp ever.

Worst roflstomp ever? Have you seen Flash's latest Bo5's?


Yeah, EffOrt fan that I am, I'd have to admit that this wasn't even the worst beatdown of the last week.

And this:
On May 14 2010 20:30 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:24 moopie wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:21 Malinor wrote:
One year ago EffOrt was believed to be the next zerg overmind, and now everyone is like he is the worst zerg ever.


Yes, and a year ago bisu was a monster, and now everyone is like he is the worst protoss ever.

your point?


Did Bisu reach the OSL final 10 minutes ago? He was lucky in the group stages, so what, he is 2-0/3-0 afterwards. And my point is he has shown S-Class play before, he was slumping, but now he obviously isn't.

Should not be to hard to understand.

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emoniax
Profile Joined January 2010
Philippines81 Posts
May 14 2010 11:33 GMT
#885
On May 14 2010 20:32 Tuke wrote:
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On May 14 2010 20:30 emoniax wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:29 dtnmang wrote:
I predict a 3-0 OSL final in favor of Flash.


thats not a prediction, thats merely more of a fact bound to happen

and that is a lie


3-0 nothing more, nothing less... Noone can beat the ULTIMATE WEAPON!!! not even jd and alien combined
Go Flash!!! TERRAN TERRAN TERRAN!!! did I just say TERRAN?!
Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
May 14 2010 11:34 GMT
#886
On May 14 2010 20:29 7mk wrote:
One question:

Would anyone rather have a shine vs flash finals?

If the answer is yes you must be insane



Thats not the point
They just dont want an Effort vs Flash finals...
Also i think Effort's play is pretty much proving that he is legitimately here... But whatever. No point in arguing with haters. GGs anyway!!!
"No, whine not! Play, or play not! There is no whine."
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
May 14 2010 11:35 GMT
#887
On May 14 2010 20:29 7mk wrote:
One question:

Would anyone rather have a shine vs flash finals?

If the answer is yes you must be insane


i doubt shine could go past kal, making mass mutas doesn't make you a good ZvP
BW is back
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 11:38:23
May 14 2010 11:35 GMT
#888
On May 14 2010 20:32 SubtleArt wrote:
]
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:13 J1.au wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:11 Vasoline73 wrote:
Gayyyyyyyyyy. Why the fuck is Match Point always the map played twice for Flash? Get that shit out of the map pool already.

Yikes, Flash is 3-4 versus Zerg on this map.

At least he has time to prepare.


Well, lets look at how he lost those 4 games:

v JD: No turrets in main, gets owned by 12p lair
v Zero: Turret it main this time but still skimps turrets and gets owned by 12p lair
v Hyun: Skimps turrets gets owned once again by early mutas (forget the exact build)

vs Hyvaa is the only 1 he lost that wasn't in the early game (Fine, v Hyun lasted like 30 minutes but it was well over after the muta harass in the beginning).

I'm sure if flash decides to even cut scvs for 5 seconds to get like 2 extra turrets up its no prob. The natural mineral line is a nightmare to defend from uta harass


If ForGG knows how to defend against early muta harass on match point, then so can Flash. At the end of the OSL finals, match point will no longer be a weakness to Flash.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 11:37:21
May 14 2010 11:35 GMT
#889
On May 14 2010 20:29 7mk wrote:
One question:

Would anyone rather have a shine vs flash finals?

If the answer is yes you must be insane


Then let's just go ahead and fix all the games so our favorite players win and we get the expected finals every time! That's a pretty irrelevant argument, all the more so because Shine probably wouldn't have made it past both Zero and Kal.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
dtnmang
Profile Joined April 2010
Vietnam752 Posts
May 14 2010 11:35 GMT
#890
All I can say now is, the upcoming Proleague match between CJ and KT will be the acid test of each player's capability in the OSL final.
Or maybe the coachs will not (coincidentally) send Effort against Flash, which will not ruin the fun.
KT Roflster - the lulziest team of Proleague.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 14 2010 11:36 GMT
#891
On May 14 2010 20:30 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:24 moopie wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:21 Malinor wrote:
One year ago EffOrt was believed to be the next zerg overmind, and now everyone is like he is the worst zerg ever.


Yes, and a year ago bisu was a monster, and now everyone is like he is the worst protoss ever.

your point?


Did Bisu reach the OSL final 10 minutes ago? He was lucky in the group stages, so what, he is 2-0/3-0 afterwards. And my point is he has shown S-Class play before, he was slumping, but now he obviously isn't.

Should not be to hard to understand.


His vP is top notch, I didn't say otherwise. His vZ is pretty good as well. His vT is a disaster, and has been that way for a year. It's so far from S-Class now that I wouldn't even say its a slump.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
x11tman
Profile Joined February 2009
Finland50 Posts
May 14 2010 11:36 GMT
#892
I don't hate Kal, I think he's a good player and a good asset for STX, but I expected this kind of thing. I thought it would be 3-1 for Effort.

I want my Bisu back.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 11:37:42
May 14 2010 11:36 GMT
#893
On May 14 2010 20:33 Demand2k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:31 Elroi wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:28 Demand2k wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:24 moopie wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:21 Malinor wrote:
One year ago EffOrt was believed to be the next zerg overmind, and now everyone is like he is the worst zerg ever.


Yes, and a year ago bisu was a monster, and now everyone is like he is the worst protoss ever.

your point?


Bisu has nothing to be embarassed of, he's given us years of dominance and great play. Effort disappointed us all by starting to slump in the middle of his rise to fame. But I'm delighted that he's started showing his true self again, though this series was hardly the most convincing 3-0 rape.


How was this series not convincing? it was like the worst roflstomp ever.


I feel like it's more about what Kal didn't, not what Effort did.


See templar sniping, see observer sniping, see godly macro, see excellent game sense.

On May 14 2010 20:33 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:28 Demand2k wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:24 moopie wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:21 Malinor wrote:
One year ago EffOrt was believed to be the next zerg overmind, and now everyone is like he is the worst zerg ever.


Yes, and a year ago bisu was a monster, and now everyone is like he is the worst protoss ever.

your point?


Bisu has nothing to be embarassed of, he's given us years of dominance and great play. Effort disappointed us all by starting to slump in the middle of his rise to fame. But I'm delighted that he's started showing his true self again, though this series was hardly the most convincing 3-0 rape.


Look, I actually like effort (I just happen to like Kal more), and a year ago he was a zvt monster. However, its been a year, and effort's vT is terrible now. All I'm saying is that expecting him to play as he did a year ago (and flash to regress to his state from a year ago) is pretty unlikely. The way things are atm, I'm not expecting much from these finals, and I do think that Kal would have put up a much better challenge, and his games against Flash are usually very entertaining. Gotta play the hand you're dealt with I guess.


Check out EffOrt v. fantasy. Check out Flash v. any protoss.

I agree that Kal would give Flash a challenge, but I also know that EffOrt will, and I'm not convinced that EffOrt does this 'losing' thing anymore.

***

I love doing starcraft PR-cleanup.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
May 14 2010 11:36 GMT
#894
On May 14 2010 20:29 7mk wrote:
One question:

Would anyone rather have a shine vs flash finals?

If the answer is yes you must be insane

I don't know about "rather", but it would be interesting.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Lazerbeems
Profile Joined May 2010
151 Posts
May 14 2010 11:37 GMT
#895
Either way, the LR threads of the finals will be an absolute horror to read since the only fanbase more annoying than Flash/Jaedong/Bisu fanboys would be CJ fanboys.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 11:38:11
May 14 2010 11:37 GMT
#896
On May 14 2010 20:36 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:30 Malinor wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:24 moopie wrote:
On May 14 2010 20:21 Malinor wrote:
One year ago EffOrt was believed to be the next zerg overmind, and now everyone is like he is the worst zerg ever.


Yes, and a year ago bisu was a monster, and now everyone is like he is the worst protoss ever.

your point?


Did Bisu reach the OSL final 10 minutes ago? He was lucky in the group stages, so what, he is 2-0/3-0 afterwards. And my point is he has shown S-Class play before, he was slumping, but now he obviously isn't.

Should not be to hard to understand.


His vP is top notch, I didn't say otherwise. His vZ is pretty good as well. His vT is a disaster, and has been that way for a year. It's so far from S-Class now that I wouldn't even say its a slump.


I disagree, we'll see in a week who is right
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 11:38:26
May 14 2010 11:38 GMT
#897
To all responses to my post:

The point was (besides that its a hilarious thought) that effort, no matter what happened in the group stages, is a much more deserving finalist than him.
And since he just roflstomped Kal, he's also a more deserving finalist than Kal.
beep boop
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
May 14 2010 11:38 GMT
#898
On May 14 2010 20:09 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 20:08 Iplaythings wrote:
Lol this is third time in under a year flash meets a CJ player in finals... el oh el...

And somehow I felt that he shouldnt have gotten that regame in the tiebreakers, so far Shine could've done exactly what Effot was doing. ZvZ and ZvP...


I think Kal would have done better vs Shine, but yeah, Shine could have easily made the final too if he had won the tie-breakers.

Someone has forgotten how much of a ZvP beast Shine is when he brings his A game to it... Knocked out Stork and Bisu ( 3-1 and 2-1 if I get it right...) after losing to move 3-1 (who had beat Zero as well...).
In the woods, there lurks..
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
May 14 2010 11:39 GMT
#899
On May 14 2010 20:37 Lazerbeems wrote:
Either way, the LR threads of the finals will be an absolute horror to read since the only fanbase more annoying than Flash/Jaedong/Bisu fanboys would be CJ fanboys.


Really?

I like to think of CJ fans as optimistic and happy about their player, not smug and overconfident.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
May 14 2010 11:40 GMT
#900


What do you do against players like EffOrt, Jaedong and Zero who all has great anti-harass skills in ZvP.

You starve them to death when playing passive like Stork does vs Jaedong here.
Stork protoss legend
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