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InDaHouse
Sweden956 Posts
Kal:s option here is to defend the third and utlitize it before moving out. Reavers and temps at chokes rapes hydras a-moving in and Kal had 3 reavers at his third. The longer the game goes the more ineffective mass-hydras become when Protoss upgrades kicks in and when you have some serious splash damage with many reavers and temps. Kal was just too damn impatient. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
no P is playing really good this days and flash's TvP has been absolute rape, he even passed JD in his vP elo peak | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:13 QibingZero wrote: True - at least if Jaedong wins (and he will). People will say that Flash can just practice TvZ now and it'll be easier, but honestly this will make the MSL vs Jaedong a lot more difficult on him than if he could just bust out whatever he wanted TvP-wise on Kal. Yeah, I'm sorry but I don't remember anyone saying that. And if you can't see that Kal played a lot worse in this series than he did vs Jaedong, I don't know what to tell you. Honestly bro, I'm deeply sympathetic to your point of view. You know in your heart of hearts that EffOrt is bad, and yet most of the time a progamer plays him, they just totally forget how to play the game. That's gotta be frustrating. I mean, which other player logs 420 average apm with insane multi-task, stellar game-sense, and huge macro, while facing opponents who inexplicably lose the ability to compete? It makes no sense, I tell ya, it makes no sense. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:19 7mk wrote: Well what can I tell you when I make a point and you just say "sorry I dont remember anyone saying that" Lots of people did so what do you wanna tell me? Even before this series people were like "yeah kals gonna crush him, he only chokes vs Jaedong" Kal's pvz looks sloppy compared to other protoss such as Movie, Stork, Jangbi, and even Flying. His pvz is still pretty good mainly because Kal is a really good protoss, but it's his weakest mu. Can you imagine Kal's pvz micro/macro as good as Movie's. That's hard to imagine. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
Sure, he's struggled a little more recently, but it seems that people forget why he was such a big name. He was so good a that point that some people were talking that he might be the best zerg. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 14 2010 20 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 14 2010 20 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:20 Jackal03 wrote: i think flash has less chance of winning against a Z then against a P no P is playing really good this days and flash's TvP has been absolute rape, he even passed JD in his vP elo peak Well dunno, JD hasn't played a P in like half a year. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4758 Posts
I don't know if he can really threaten Flash, but as some already mentioned, he has shown S-Class ZvT before and with enough confidence (which he should have by now) he may be able to show it again. Kal would have choked in the finals anyway (breaks my heart to see him lose important games all the time). I'm very satisfied with this matchup for the finals. | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:12 MrHoon wrote: Im going to back SuperArc here before Effort's slump, his ZvT was 21:3, this is fucking unheard of Even Jaedong/Savior/GoRush/Chojja/July wasn't able achieve such feat. You know which Zerg had a similar record to Effort in ZvT? Mother Fucking  YellOwSilver jokes aside, Effort's ZvT is the real deal and I for one am happy that effort finally made it to the finals. TBH with you he was the one CJ player who deserved it the most Thank you! | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
It's like they're the king of Semifinals and Playoffs I know this is ironic coming from a KT fan but goddamn guys goddamn. | ||
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emoniax
Philippines81 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:21 Malinor wrote: One year ago EffOrt was believed to be the next zerg overmind, and now everyone is like he is the worst zerg ever. Yes, and a year ago bisu was a monster, and now everyone is like he is the worst protoss ever. your point? | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:25 538 wrote: fun fact: Kal is 4-23 (14%) against Zero, Effort and Jaedong combined. LOL that's pretty sick On May 14 2010 20:20 FireGuyX wrote: Kal's pvz looks sloppy compared to other protoss such as Movie, Stork, Jangbi, and even Flying. His pvz is still pretty good mainly because Kal is a really good protoss, but it's his weakest mu. Can you imagine Kal's pvz micro/macro as good as Movie's. That's hard to imagine. While I dont know about Flying I cant really disagree with this post (although Kal used to be known for his PvZ) but that doesnt change that effort played really well. I mean game 1 and game 2 were just the most onesided rapes ever. | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:20 o[twist] wrote: ugh cj fans come on. these were some solid 6hatch breaks but nobody watching this thought kal played well Those ht snipes looked pretty unstoppable, and those observer strikes seemed pretty impressive to me. Kal's counter attack almost won him a game he was going to have difficulty winning, it was hardly an objectively bad move. And EffOrt grabbed a BO win in Game 1. Kal played well, I think in the semi-finals of a starleague, people usually do, but EffOrt was better. | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:25 538 wrote: fun fact: Kal is 4-23 (14%) against Zero, Effort and Jaedong combined. wow that's bad score :p | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:19 InDaHouse wrote: This here.Why did Kal move out before his third was completely up and running? Doesn't make sense since EffOrt had big ass army. Kal:s option here is to defend the third and utlitize it before moving out. Reavers and temps at chokes rapes hydras a-moving in and Kal had 3 reavers at his third. The longer the game goes the more ineffective mass-hydras become when Protoss upgrades kicks in and when you have some serious splash damage with many reavers and temps. Kal was just too damn impatient. And, credit where due, Effort exploited it incredibly well. | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On May 14 2010 20:24 moopie wrote: Yes, and a year ago bisu was a monster, and now everyone is like he is the worst protoss ever. your point? Effort was only a rookie last year, so this slump is more of a mid-career bump rather than him becoming an outdated, washed-up progamer like Bisu. Bisu already had his mid-career slump in the first part of 2008. Effort still has huge potential. I'm just hating these finals. Effort is a potential beast if he returns to form, and normally I would've rooted for him, but he cheated his way into the Ro8 with that "ppp" when he was losing, so I'm hoping Flash curbstomps him. FOR GREAT JUSTICE On May 14 2010 20:25 HnR)hT wrote: Kespa wouldn't give him a regame against Shine unless there was a legitimate hardware issue. A player's mouse is his responsibility. And pausing the game only when you've lost the muta battle to try and get a regame is pretty low. | ||
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