Boasting a beastly APM, Hero peaked during the 2009 Batoo OSL, reaching the semifinals only to be trounced by Jaedong, who would go on to win the tournament. Since then, his career has been unremarkable, to the point where he is competing with middling Zergs like Modesty for a spot on the STX lineup. Will hero be able to deploy his late-game against BaBy, before defying Jaedong once again?
"I've got fast hands, and I'll show Baby a thing or two about growing up."
Mostly known for his young age, the aptly named Baby has recently shed the baby fat by all-killing Air Force ACE during the Winners League, in addition to beating solid Terrans Really and Light. But his last game was a loss at the hands of schoolyard bully Jaedong, who stands in his path once again. Nonetheless, has Baby finally come into his own, and will his foes rue the day he hit puberty?
"I made Air Force ACE say 'hit me baby one more time'."
Mothers across Korea cry as their sons dissapear into the Tyrant's maw. The implacable Jaedong has accumulated five starleague titles as the spoils of his many victories. Two back-to-back OSLs. A Golden Mouse. Nearly a year as KeSPA #1. A throng of Zergs in his wake, pouring into the starleagues. Flash turned the tide in the 2009 EVER OSL Ro8, but Jaedong came roaring back in the 2009 NATE MSL finals. After his usual post-SL "slump" spent digesting the remains of his victims, will Jaedong rise again to reclaim his throne?
I just hope jaedong prepares for both matchups. Too many gamers put all their eggs into one basket and leave a huge potential to get owned. Jaedong is overworked enough for this to happen.
On March 12 2010 04:26 Hinanawi wrote: Jaedong's got to be hoping BaBy is the one who advances so he doesn't have to roll the dice with ZvZ shenanigans.
Uh Jeadong's ZvZ in a series is far more stable then teams throwing zergs to randomly snipe Jaedong in WL . Baby could actually post a greater threat to the tyrant .
On March 12 2010 04:26 Hinanawi wrote: Jaedong's got to be hoping BaBy is the one who advances so he doesn't have to roll the dice with ZvZ shenanigans.
Either way Jaedong will probably win. His skill seems to increase exponentially with the amount of sets he plays against his opponent!
It's OSL; there's not a doubt in my mind that JD will rape whoever advances. The only thing that's standing between JD and his 4th OSL title is Flash, there's no way in hell he's gonna get knocked out by some mediocre newbie.
On March 12 2010 09:20 pvzvt wrote: if it was just one game i would have been a bit worried but in a best of 3.... jaedong i'll see you in the round of 16
On March 12 2010 09:23 Xiphos wrote: I want Hero to beat BaBy and then Jaedong beating Hero, I use to hate this guy play ZvZ BUT HE NEEDS to get his ZvZ over 80%!
On March 12 2010 07:21 Roffles wrote: It's all about LJD. Should go Baby > Hero (Cause Hero's ZvT is simply abysmal) and then JD > Baby in pretty convincing fashion.
On March 12 2010 09:37 Crunchums wrote: fuck yeah jaedong i'm pumped
hopefully osl adopts a better bracket system so jaedong and flash don't have to play in qf and can both get seeds
I want them to be playing in the Semi-Finals because not only that will tell us which player is better (BO5) and we can give other players a chance to be the champion.
Although everyone expects JD to steamroll BaBy just with his death glare alone,
I can't help but imagine what would happen on TL if hero were to walk out of the group... Haha yeah I can dream. Go hero, I'll root for you because I know you have about a 0.1% chance... if JD trips and falls and breaks all his fingers.
Like Bisu, Jaedong has a really easy group and is pretty much handed a spot to the Ro16 if he's not retarded. The nature of ZvZ doesn't even matter here since Hero isn't even good at it.
That wasn't choking. You might not believe it but Rock used to be good.
You can't be serious here. Rock used to be fairly good...in 2004. In 2007, he was simply mediocre at best and only got into the Ro16 constantly because he ate terrans who couldn't deal with two base carriers. That's not being good, that's being like that random zerg who gets into the Ro16/Ro32 because he's good enough to do the 3 hatch mutalisk into 5 hatch hydralisk build correctly.
I agree awful example because that wasn't choking, that was because Jaedong wasn't good at ZvP back then but it definitely wasn't because Rock was good what the hell man.
That wasn't choking. You might not believe it but Rock used to be good.
eh? That was before JD had decent ZvP, he was simply mediocre at that mu at that point. Besides he won the OSL vs Stork in the same season so this is irrelevant. Oh and btw Rock beat flash 2-1 in the semis.
On the other hand people shouldnt go wraiths anymore
That wasn't choking. You might not believe it but Rock used to be good.
eh? That was before JD had decent ZvP, he was simply mediocre at that mu at that point. Besides he won the OSL vs Stork in the same season so this is irrelevant. Oh and btw Rock beat flash 2-1 in the semis.
On the other hand people shouldnt go wraiths anymore
he had mediocre ZvP, but won OSL vs Stork in same season....
That wasn't choking. You might not believe it but Rock used to be good.
eh? That was before JD had decent ZvP, he was simply mediocre at that mu at that point. Besides he won the OSL vs Stork in the same season so this is irrelevant. Oh and btw Rock beat flash 2-1 in the semis.
On the other hand people shouldnt go wraiths anymore
he had mediocre ZvP, but won OSL vs Stork in same season....
He had 50% winrate ZvP at that time while having 70%+ ZvT/ZVZ, if thats not mediocre I dont know what is.
+ Stork wasnt known for his PvZ either at that time, he was above average at it too.
On March 12 2010 18:46 Crunchums wrote: hero will probably will this
only leta is good enough to use wraiths in tvz : 3
guess not
wasn't as pretty as I'm used to but hero did not react very well
commentators still saying leta's name a lot
wraiths so baller <3
I feel like he reacted very well but didn't micro properly.
EDIT: @ above post: I don't know what game you were watching, but the one between Hero and Baby on OGN featured a situation where Hero was around his opponent's natural when the han bang push hit the edge of his creep. He didn't decide to counterattack, he decided to press the attack instead of flying all the way across the map to fight the push that would already have decimated the base by the time his army arrived.
lol, although I play zerg, I love 1shotting overlords with scouts while playing with my friends. so funny when you fully upgrade scouts, but from the zerg's point of view this is only the most annoying thing ever.
It's a bit sad, they are fighting so hard, and they both know that it doesn't matter, because the winner will get slaugthered by Jaedong in half an hour...
On March 12 2010 19:03 Biff The Understudy wrote: It's a bit sad, they are fighting so hard, and they both know that it doesn't matter, because the winner will get slaugthered by Jaedong in half an hour...
On March 12 2010 19:03 Biff The Understudy wrote: It's a bit sad, they are fighting so hard, and they both know that it doesn't matter, because the winner will get slaugthered by Jaedong in half an hour...
No way, if players thought like that we'd never see upsets.
Yeah, there isn't a delay in 3hat lurk. You can just get more lurkers with the extra gas from skipping muta tech (just getting a few scourge) before your hive timing.
BaBy is a champion now, he won't be stopped. I love his play but I didn't want to cheer for him over the possibility of Jaedong's 4th OSL - but now I hope he tears ass tonight.
On March 12 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote: hero must be one of the most inefficient pros around. Was he the player that got drafted purely on his handspeed, even though his play was horrible?
On March 12 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote: hero must be one of the most inefficient pros around. Was he the player that got drafted purely on his handspeed, even though his play was horrible?
Hero has deflier ready after consuming 3 lings.... unborrows 5 lurkers and charges natural... AND FORGETS TO BRING THAT DELIFER OVER UNTIL 3 lurks die to bunkers. Unbelievable micro fail.
On March 12 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote: hero must be one of the most inefficient pros around. Was he the player that got drafted purely on his handspeed, even though his play was horrible?
That was ZerO.
Zero is not even close to bad
He used to be pretty bad, then started getting good at Lost Saga MSL.
Anyways your description is a bit too vague, a lot of players are drafted purely on hand speed and a lot of coaches think thats one of the most important abilities you must have. I remember Artosis saying that Woongjin especially does this a lot.
On March 12 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote: hero must be one of the most inefficient pros around. Was he the player that got drafted purely on his handspeed, even though his play was horrible?
On March 12 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote: hero must be one of the most inefficient pros around. Was he the player that got drafted purely on his handspeed, even though his play was horrible?
That was ZerO.
Zero is not even close to bad
Everyone seems to forget this but zero was awful until somewhat recently, he didn't have a winning record in a proleague season until last year if I remember right
On March 12 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote: hero must be one of the most inefficient pros around. Was he the player that got drafted purely on his handspeed, even though his play was horrible?
That was ZerO.
Zero is not even close to bad
He used to be pretty bad, then started getting good at Lost Saga MSL.
Anyways your description is a bit too vague, a lot of players are drafted purely on hand speed and a lot of coaches think thats one of the most important abilities you must have. I remember Artosis saying that Woongjin especially does this a lot.
If you read the JulyZerg interview in the articles section he talks about this too.
Wow I really thought hero had baby down ez even though I'm a Terran user, Ty didn't deserve that win. He got so lucky due to hero's stupid and crucial mistakes.. I expect to see jaedong pull a school kid bully on this little kid
On March 12 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote: hero must be one of the most inefficient pros around. Was he the player that got drafted purely on his handspeed, even though his play was horrible?
That was ZerO.
Zero is not even close to bad
He used to be pretty bad, then started getting good at Lost Saga MSL.
Anyways your description is a bit too vague, a lot of players are drafted purely on hand speed and a lot of coaches think thats one of the most important abilities you must have. I remember Artosis saying that Woongjin especially does this a lot.
If you read the JulyZerg interview in the articles section he talks about this too.
Mani look up :p you removed Articles for SC2 which is a shame, although I read most of the articles there, the aficiando interview talks about this too.
On March 12 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote: hero must be one of the most inefficient pros around. Was he the player that got drafted purely on his handspeed, even though his play was horrible?
That was ZerO.
Zero is not even close to bad
He used to be pretty bad, then started getting good at Lost Saga MSL.
Anyways your description is a bit too vague, a lot of players are drafted purely on hand speed and a lot of coaches think thats one of the most important abilities you must have. I remember Artosis saying that Woongjin especially does this a lot.
If you read the JulyZerg interview in the articles section he talks about this too.
Mani look up :p you removed Articles for SC2 which is a shame, although I read most of the articles there, the aficiando interview talks about this too.
On March 12 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote: hero must be one of the most inefficient pros around. Was he the player that got drafted purely on his handspeed, even though his play was horrible?
That was ZerO.
Zero is not even close to bad
He used to be pretty bad, then started getting good at Lost Saga MSL.
Anyways your description is a bit too vague, a lot of players are drafted purely on hand speed and a lot of coaches think thats one of the most important abilities you must have. I remember Artosis saying that Woongjin especially does this a lot.
If you read the JulyZerg interview in the articles section he talks about this too.
Mani look up :p you removed Articles for SC2 which is a shame, although I read most of the articles there, the aficiando interview talks about this too.
Holy shit who did that. Where did they go?
Probably the same joker who screwed my forum-tab muscle memory.
Yeah Danish coach Ulrik Wilbek (3 times Olympic Gold winner - Women's Handball who switched to coaching men) said that he'd prefer a big and clumsy player that had a lot of -potential- than chose from a dozen of standard ones who all played the same.
Guess same thing can be true with selecting players with fast fingers thinking if their game-skill can improve they have the -potential- with the very fast mechanics to do even greater than others.
On March 12 2010 19:40 Nytefish wrote: hero must be one of the most inefficient pros around. Was he the player that got drafted purely on his handspeed, even though his play was horrible?
That was ZerO.
Zero is not even close to bad
He used to be pretty bad, then started getting good at Lost Saga MSL.
Anyways your description is a bit too vague, a lot of players are drafted purely on hand speed and a lot of coaches think thats one of the most important abilities you must have. I remember Artosis saying that Woongjin especially does this a lot.
If you read the JulyZerg interview in the articles section he talks about this too.
Mani look up :p you removed Articles for SC2 which is a shame, although I read most of the articles there, the aficiando interview talks about this too.
Holy shit who did that. Where did they go?
I have no idea. Why are you asking me anyways? You are the man in red.
On March 12 2010 19:57 NovaTheFeared wrote: 12 pool/gas -> expand. The Zero build. Muta destruction incoming.
Why is it the zero build when Yarnc has been using it way earlier and went on a 12-2 ZvT streak with noone even remembering he was absuing these 2hat variations.
Well there was a time one of JD's drones glitched in a zvz, he just killed it and carried on to win the game anyway. Someone should tell him there are legitimate reasons to call for a re-game. :D
On March 12 2010 20:05 Scorch wrote: Would the one additional lurker have made a difference? I think so, but I'm not sure.
Offcourse it will What JD did was basically 1hat lurker, his build only gave him 3 lurkers and it was a one hit ko thing, he would just steam roll baby with 3 lurks mass ling
Guess BaBy is getting a lot of ling/lurk contain practice today Damn really thought JD could do that a lot better but maybe he should've went Hive with Defilers too.
Anyways just play straight up! Then he should own him easy with his performance so far. Reminds me og those stupid times where JD gets a brain meltdown and goes Guardians :S
Just stick to your mutas, harass, expo and rape him
On March 12 2010 20:05 Scorch wrote: Would the one additional lurker have made a difference? I think so, but I'm not sure.
It would have made a huge difference. This was essentially a timing attack. When JD attacked w/ only 2 lurkers, the marines were able to take it out before the bunker went down, which after that, is free pickings for the lurkers.
On March 12 2010 20:07 MCMcEmcee wrote: Guess we get to see an updated Great Barrier Reef in the next round of the OSL. At least it isn't as bad as Demon's Forest...?
On March 12 2010 20:08 Caphe wrote: but why jaedong wants to lurker/ling allin in the first place. Never underestimate your opponent JD. They are all pros after all
??? Who said he is underestimating Baby? JD all ins more than half of the Zerg progamers to keep them guessing and play mind games.
On March 12 2010 20:08 Caphe wrote: but why jaedong wants to lurker/ling allin in the first place. Never underestimate your opponent JD. They are all pros after all
Looking at the replay, I'm not sure if the extra lurker would have saved the game. Baby had the second bunker, and JD didn't have enough lings to support with.
On March 12 2010 20:01 MrHoon wrote: If jaedong didn't attack
Jaedong could've asked for a regame (which the refs would've allowed)
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
lol, what are you talking about? They don't allow a regame for morphing a lurk in a spot where it could possibly wall-hop. They don't re-game when they do it on purpose, so why would they regame if they do it on accident?
On March 12 2010 20:10 okum wrote: Looking at the replay, I'm not sure if the extra lurker would have saved the game. Baby had the second bunker, and JD didn't have enough lings to support with.
Obviously he had no chance without it, though.
To defend a Lurker All In you need atleast 3 bunkers Baby had 2
On March 12 2010 20:08 Caphe wrote: but why jaedong wants to lurker/ling allin in the first place. Never underestimate your opponent JD. They are all pros after all
what the hell did I just read
Yeah i guess Flash scv rushed Bisu because he underestimated him lol.
On March 12 2010 20:10 okum wrote: Looking at the replay, I'm not sure if the extra lurker would have saved the game. Baby had the second bunker, and JD didn't have enough lings to support with.
Obviously he had no chance without it, though.
Dont think so, there will be no re-game, if there was, it would be very unfair for Baby.
On March 12 2010 20:01 MrHoon wrote: If jaedong didn't attack
Jaedong could've asked for a regame (which the refs would've allowed)
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
lol, what are you talking about? They don't allow a regame for morphing a lurk in a spot where it could possibly wall-hop. They don't re-game when they do it on purpose, so why would they regame if they do it on accident?
Because it is a flaw in the map and that is the rules of Kespa?
Jeezes haven't you guys watched old games where drones would get stuck on ramps in RH3?
On March 12 2010 20:10 okum wrote: Looking at the replay, I'm not sure if the extra lurker would have saved the game. Baby had the second bunker, and JD didn't have enough lings to support with.
Obviously he had no chance without it, though.
To defend a Lurker All In you need atleast 3 bunkers Baby had 2
Jaedong would've won.
There is no "this is certain" result of any build.
On March 12 2010 20:08 Caphe wrote: but why jaedong wants to lurker/ling allin in the first place. Never underestimate your opponent JD. They are all pros after all
what the hell did I just read
Yeah i guess Flash scv rushed Bisu because he underestimated him lol.
Well, its not the same. Flash and Bisu are both talent and S grade pro. They know each other too well and a cheese here and there is needed in these game. But look at Jaedong and Baby, Jaedong is S, Baby is B plus at best,,, Jaedong would just stream rolled him with his normal muta build O_O. Thats all i was trying to say.
Terrans have to put up with SCVs getting stuck behind supply depots and marines spawning on the wrong side of failed wallins all the time. Not much to argue about when units glitch, IMO.
On March 12 2010 20:08 Caphe wrote: but why jaedong wants to lurker/ling allin in the first place. Never underestimate your opponent JD. They are all pros after all
what the hell did I just read
Yeah i guess Flash scv rushed Bisu because he underestimated him lol.
Well, its not the same. Flash and Bisu are both talent and S grade pro. They know each other too well and a cheese here and there is needed in these game. But look at Jaedong and Baby, Jaedong is S, Baby is B plus at best,,, Jaedong would just stream rolled him with his normal muta build O_O. Thats all i was trying to say.
lol He is talking about their game in 07 when Flash was a rookie and Bisu was a BW god, Flash cheesed Bisu twice and people raged harder than when Shine beat Bisu.
On March 12 2010 20:10 okum wrote: Looking at the replay, I'm not sure if the extra lurker would have saved the game. Baby had the second bunker, and JD didn't have enough lings to support with.
Obviously he had no chance without it, though.
To defend a Lurker All In you need atleast 3 bunkers Baby had 2
Jaedong would've won.
You speak with such certainty it makes me sick.. Starcraft is a game where nothing is certain, most people probably would say that hero would won game 3 if it was paused..
On March 12 2010 20:10 okum wrote: Looking at the replay, I'm not sure if the extra lurker would have saved the game. Baby had the second bunker, and JD didn't have enough lings to support with.
Obviously he had no chance without it, though.
To defend a Lurker All In you need atleast 3 bunkers Baby had 2
Jaedong would've won.
You speak with such certainty it makes me sick.. Starcraft is a game where nothing is certain, most people probably would say that hero would won game 3 if it was paused..
On March 12 2010 20:08 Caphe wrote: but why jaedong wants to lurker/ling allin in the first place. Never underestimate your opponent JD. They are all pros after all
what the hell did I just read
Yeah i guess Flash scv rushed Bisu because he underestimated him lol.
Well, its not the same. Flash and Bisu are both talent and S grade pro. They know each other too well and a cheese here and there is needed in these game. But look at Jaedong and Baby, Jaedong is S, Baby is B plus at best,,, Jaedong would just stream rolled him with his normal muta build O_O. Thats all i was trying to say.
lol He is talking about their game in 07 when Flash was a rookie and Bisu was a BW god, Flash cheesed Bisu twice and people raged harder than when Shine beat Bisu.
oh come on. When Flash first comes out, he cheese ALOT...and he was infamous for that. I dont think when JD first comes out, he was famous for cheesing O_O
On March 12 2010 20:07 MCMcEmcee wrote: Guess we get to see an updated Great Barrier Reef in the next round of the OSL. At least it isn't as bad as Demon's Forest...?
lol remember vultures on demons forest
I was trying not to until you mentioned it =[
Anyhow hope JD bounces back from that and makes this a good series (and wins, ofc) but if Baby executes some awesomely prepared build to knock JD out, I won't be too disappointed.
...till the Ro16 starts, ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
On March 12 2010 20:08 Caphe wrote: but why jaedong wants to lurker/ling allin in the first place. Never underestimate your opponent JD. They are all pros after all
what the hell did I just read
Yeah i guess Flash scv rushed Bisu because he underestimated him lol.
Well, its not the same. Flash and Bisu are both talent and S grade pro. They know each other too well and a cheese here and there is needed in these game. But look at Jaedong and Baby, Jaedong is S, Baby is B plus at best,,, Jaedong would just stream rolled him with his normal muta build O_O. Thats all i was trying to say.
lol He is talking about their game in 07 when Flash was a rookie and Bisu was a BW god, Flash cheesed Bisu twice and people raged harder than when Shine beat Bisu.
oh come on. When Flash first comes out, he cheese ALOT...and he was infamous for that. I dont think when JD first comes out, he was famous for cheesing O_O
Not cheesing but being a very aggressive Zerg from what I remember.
On March 12 2010 20:08 Caphe wrote: but why jaedong wants to lurker/ling allin in the first place. Never underestimate your opponent JD. They are all pros after all
what the hell did I just read
Yeah i guess Flash scv rushed Bisu because he underestimated him lol.
Well, its not the same. Flash and Bisu are both talent and S grade pro. They know each other too well and a cheese here and there is needed in these game. But look at Jaedong and Baby, Jaedong is S, Baby is B plus at best,,, Jaedong would just stream rolled him with his normal muta build O_O. Thats all i was trying to say.
lol He is talking about their game in 07 when Flash was a rookie and Bisu was a BW god, Flash cheesed Bisu twice and people raged harder than when Shine beat Bisu.
oh come on. When Flash first comes out, he cheese ALOT...and he was infamous for that. I dont think when JD first comes out, he was famous for cheesing O_O
On March 12 2010 20:10 okum wrote: Looking at the replay, I'm not sure if the extra lurker would have saved the game. Baby had the second bunker, and JD didn't have enough lings to support with.
Obviously he had no chance without it, though.
To defend a Lurker All In you need atleast 3 bunkers Baby had 2
Jaedong would've won.
You speak with such certainty it makes me sick.. Starcraft is a game where nothing is certain, most people probably would say that hero would won game 3 if it was paused..
This is Jaedong.
Whatever, to me it looked like one more lurker wouldnt matter much, but i didnt came here and talk hey, 100% loose for jaedong
On March 12 2010 20:10 okum wrote: Looking at the replay, I'm not sure if the extra lurker would have saved the game. Baby had the second bunker, and JD didn't have enough lings to support with.
Obviously he had no chance without it, though.
To defend a Lurker All In you need atleast 3 bunkers Baby had 2
Jaedong would've won.
You speak with such certainty it makes me sick.. Starcraft is a game where nothing is certain, most people probably would say that hero would won game 3 if it was paused..
you guys talk as if lurker busts are cool new things and never ever happened throughout the history of starcraft.
Ofcourse there are variables in starcraft, but the chances of it working is much higher than failing.
On March 12 2010 20:10 okum wrote: Looking at the replay, I'm not sure if the extra lurker would have saved the game. Baby had the second bunker, and JD didn't have enough lings to support with.
Obviously he had no chance without it, though.
To defend a Lurker All In you need atleast 3 bunkers Baby had 2
Jaedong would've won.
You speak with such certainty it makes me sick.. Starcraft is a game where nothing is certain, most people probably would say that hero would won game 3 if it was paused..
This is Jaedong.
Whatever, to me it looked like one more lurker wouldnt matter much, but i didnt came here and talk hey, 100% loose for jaedong
In cheese every single unit matters. JD got unlucky and he could have asked for a regame, but he's too badass for that.
wow JD a setp behind in everything tonight. by the time he tries bringing lurks back baby kills it with 4 tanks. 7+ kill ling at baby's third lol doesnt matter in the slightest. JD still on lurk-ling
Watch JD lose is bad... but the way he loses this game is just damn painful. Damn those map-maker...the first game effect JD so much, JD played reckless with his mutas when he engage those marine. If he would continue on harrassing this would have gone the other way
BaBy ! Really happy he can go far in the league but ... not against Jeadong I'm not a big Jeadong fan but he is always welcome in final or semi to give us great game.
Seriously, Jaedong, if you're going to all-in next time, just do a 4 pool. It worked for Hyvaa vs Leta, and it worked vs Fantasy. That 2 hatch lurker allin shit got figured out.
Okay now that I have the "omg why JD" out of my system, I have to say I really liked Baby's play in that last game. I had my doubts after his series with hero but he really rose to the occasion, hopefully he can sustain this.
No JD, no Bisu in this OSL. So strange, but it wouldn't be a Starleague without some major upsets.
On March 12 2010 20:43 Sadistx wrote: Seriously, Jaedong, if you're going to all-in next time, just do a 4 pool. It worked for Hyvaa vs Leta, and it worked vs Fantasy. That 2 hatch lurker allin shit got figured out.
Are you kidding? It was an extremely commendable plan. He may not have even practiced it, but just used it after he saw how tense Game 3 of hero vs BaBy was and how shaken up BaBy must have been after having to defend so much.
On March 12 2010 20:43 Sadistx wrote: Seriously, Jaedong, if you're going to all-in next time, just do a 4 pool. It worked for Hyvaa vs Leta, and it worked vs Fantasy. That 2 hatch lurker allin shit got figured out.
Are you kidding? It was an extremely commendable plan. He may not have even practiced it, but just used it after he saw how tense Game 3 of hero vs BaBy was and how shaken up BaBy must have been after having to defend so much.
Wrong, Baby was already very warmed up vs Lurker builds, so he was on his guard against similar builds.
On March 12 2010 20:47 Wings wrote: This is the funniest/saddest way JD could ever have lost Map artifacts. Game 1: Lost to reefs. Game 2: Lost to mineral line placement.
wow..........
Game 1 Jaedong got a bad break, yeah, I'll give him that. Morphing lurks which act weird when they hatch next to a doodad cluster was kind of dumb though, but anyway yeah, he could have ppp'd and gotten a rematch.
Game 2 he just lost straight-up, no excuses. Medic walls behind mineral lines are nothing new.
Anyone else thinks the drop really made all the difference?
JD had a lock-tight contain but damn repelling that little drop require so much time and money due to posiitoning BaBy got a big enough break to get back in the game.
Gotta give it to BaBy because he played a hell of a match in set two. Definitely one of the best games of the year. Jaedong lost because BaBy was the better player today. Fun games, very entertaining.
On March 12 2010 20:47 Wings wrote: This is the funniest/saddest way JD could ever have lost Map artifacts. Game 1: Lost to reefs. Game 2: Lost to mineral line placement.
wow..........
What do you mean pls explain? I didnt watch it live
On March 12 2010 20:49 Shengster wrote: Gotta give it to [tlpd]Baby[/tlpd] he played a hell of a match in set two. Definitely one of the best games of the year. [tlpd]Jaedong[/tlpd] lost because [tlpd]Baby[/tlpd] was the better player today.
Baby will get raped by firefist or some other lesser known player in the Ro16.
Silly Jaedong, why did you have to throw away your ball of mutalisks. . . If he had micro'd his mutas more he would have seriously hurt Baby. He didn't even have to harass the main/natural. Just chill with the mutas on the bridge until the first push comes ffs.
watching JD lose hurts, especially if you followed him throughout his career, he tries so hard to get back into the game, harder then any progamer i think (maybe flash is close).
but yet again a huge upset, NO BISU NO JAEDONG. i feel bad for OGN, they wont get that many hits this season.
for me korean air osl seemed like a badass osl, but now i have nobody to root for but stork, and hopefully he doesnt run into some cheese zerg.
as sad as I am right now, Baby's micro throughout that game was insane
But I'm pissed off as a Flash fan that wasn't the Jaedong I saw at Nate MSL that wasn't the Jaedong I saw fight gay map imbalances That was just a 'zerg'
On March 12 2010 20:47 Wings wrote: This is the funniest/saddest way JD could ever have lost Map artifacts. Game 1: Lost to reefs. Game 2: Lost to mineral line placement.
wow..........
What do you mean pls explain? I didnt watch it live
Jaedong morphed his lurkers in a spot just north of the unbuildable terrain on the right side of the bridge at around 6 o'clock. As it turns out, the two coral-looking doodads there apparently have a space between them that's big enough for a hydra to fit through but not big enough for a lurker. When the eggs hatched and the lurker nearest the gap popped out, it was close enough that the game went into "skate around randomly until the unit is free" mode (apparently the egg was actually slightly inside the part that lurkers can't fit through), and the lurker ended up moving up and to the left so that it got trapped between the water and the doodads. As a result, one of Jaedong's three lurkers was useless for the attack at Baby's natural.
e: not sure what an "unbuildable terran" is but it doesn't sound good
The only player who could beat Flash now is Stork. But we all know Stork is gonna lose to some random nobodoy before he gets that far.
Free OSL title for Flash gg no re.
Its really boring when one player dominates to hard. OSL is kinda over now, the only thing left is to find out who will get to lose the final vs Flahs.
Anyone saying Flash 'already won' needs to take a good look at what just happened tonight, and ask themselves if anything is really that easy to predict.
On March 12 2010 20:57 KristianJS wrote: I like how people are saying "Flash will win ezpz" when we literally just watched a huge upset with Jaedong himself being taken down.
Obviously Flash is the huge favourite now, but this OSL hasn't been concluded yet
Yeah, whoever say Flash is already Champions is insane. With JD's elimination, Flash obviously has less obstacle on his way to the throne, but look at today's game, anything can happen.
On March 12 2010 20:56 MrHoon wrote: I'm sorry but some of you flash fans are terrible posters
I second this.
It's not good for Flash that Jaedong gets knocked out early. A title is worth much less without epic games on the way. It's only a shame that it won't be Flash doing what Baby did today.
On March 12 2010 20:56 MrHoon wrote: I'm sorry but some of you flash fans are terrible posters
I second this.
It's not good for Flash that Jaedong gets knocked out early. A title is worth much less without epic games on the way. It's only a shame that it won't be Flash doing what Baby did today.
On March 12 2010 20:56 MrHoon wrote: I'm sorry but some of you flash fans are terrible posters
I second this.
It's not good for Flash that Jaedong gets knocked out early. A title is worth much less without epic games on the way. It's only a shame that it won't be Flash doing what Baby did today.
no worries, fun games can still happen
No doubt. But the percentage of utterly awesome games just goes way up when Flash/Jaedong/Stork/Bisu are involved.
lol why so serious? Ofcourse they are joking when they are saying FLASH WILL WIN OSL EZPZ! and if you take a good look at it, most of those saying that are not Flash fans at all.
On topic, oh man missed the games but game 2 sounded sick. TERRAN FIGHTING!!!
Oh man, I'm still shocked at what just occured. I did think that JD's muta harass could have won him the game, so I was rather suprised when he decided to engage the small marine army and lose a fair amount of mutas.
I don't know why any Flash fans would be happy about this. The victory is much sweeter if it is over a strong opponent. I would rather have Flash get an OSL silver losing to JD than Flash stomping over nubs and getting a gold.
Plus that and JD is fricken awesome, I've never seen someone come as prepared to something as JD was in the MSL finals. He had a separate build designed to counter Flash for each game, I'm sad we wont see that in OSL finals this time.
On March 12 2010 21:11 revy wrote: I don't know why any Flash fans would be happy about this. The victory is much sweeter if it is over a strong opponent. I would rather have Flash get an OSL silver losing to JD than Flash stomping over nubs and getting a gold.
Plus that and JD is fricken awesome, I've never seen someone come as prepared to something as JD was in the MSL finals. He had a separate build designed to counter Flash for each game, I'm sad we wont see that in OSL finals this time.
i can guarantee you that Flash doesnt feel the same way
Lost in all this Flash love and Jaedong fail, anyone notice how good of a strategy that 2-hatch lurker into 2-hatch defiler was? Baby played extremely cautious both games, and both times he would've lost if it weren't for bizarre happenings. That 2-hatch lurker BO looks damn hard to counter given the lack of scouting info.
On March 12 2010 21:11 revy wrote: I don't know why any Flash fans would be happy about this. The victory is much sweeter if it is over a strong opponent. I would rather have Flash get an OSL silver losing to JD than Flash stomping over nubs and getting a gold.
Plus that and JD is fricken awesome, I've never seen someone come as prepared to something as JD was in the MSL finals. He had a separate build designed to counter Flash for each game, I'm sad we wont see that in OSL finals this time.
i can guarantee you that Flash doesnt feel the same way
Why should we care? He's probably only interested in wins and money and fans only want to see exciting games.
lolz fast lurkers into defiler is my natural enemy. __________
Man it's kind of annoying reading all these posts saying that Jaedong got robbed. Yeah Jaedong got screwed over game 1, but game 2 Baby was playing some BALLIN Starcraft.
You guys don't give Baby enough credit. *cough* Baby's going to lose his first match in the ro16 lolz
On March 12 2010 21:11 revy wrote: I don't know why any Flash fans would be happy about this. The victory is much sweeter if it is over a strong opponent. I would rather have Flash get an OSL silver losing to JD than Flash stomping over nubs and getting a gold.
Plus that and JD is fricken awesome, I've never seen someone come as prepared to something as JD was in the MSL finals. He had a separate build designed to counter Flash for each game, I'm sad we wont see that in OSL finals this time.
i dont know, flash fans want to see flash win leagues right? even with the way flash is right now, playing jaedong in a final is far from guaranteed for flash
On March 12 2010 20:52 MrHoon wrote: as sad as I am right now, Baby's micro throughout that game was insane
But I'm pissed off as a Flash fan that wasn't the Jaedong I saw at Nate MSL that wasn't the Jaedong I saw fight gay map imbalances That was just a 'zerg'
On March 12 2010 21:36 Noradic wrote: Seeing Jaedong go down like that... spoiled my spring break.
This is nothing, he has been through worse. The PL grandfinals The dragon season where he lost to 3 tosses in bo3s, Free in the ro16, Tempest in the ro16, and Han in the offlines.
I hope he can recover, he is the only player that seems to recover no matter what, but the steam has to run out eventually.
On March 12 2010 21:11 revy wrote: I don't know why any Flash fans would be happy about this. The victory is much sweeter if it is over a strong opponent. I would rather have Flash get an OSL silver losing to JD than Flash stomping over nubs and getting a gold.
Plus that and JD is fricken awesome, I've never seen someone come as prepared to something as JD was in the MSL finals. He had a separate build designed to counter Flash for each game, I'm sad we wont see that in OSL finals this time.
Ehh, obviously baby is strong opponent since he won jaedong. plus his game is awesome.
On March 12 2010 21:11 revy wrote: I don't know why any Flash fans would be happy about this. The victory is much sweeter if it is over a strong opponent. I would rather have Flash get an OSL silver losing to JD than Flash stomping over nubs and getting a gold.
Plus that and JD is fricken awesome, I've never seen someone come as prepared to something as JD was in the MSL finals. He had a separate build designed to counter Flash for each game, I'm sad we wont see that in OSL finals this time.
i dont know, flash fans want to see flash win leagues right? even with the way flash is right now, playing jaedong in a final is far from guaranteed for flash
Q: Why was Flash's first Bacchus run so good?
Q2: Why was Flash reverse all-killing SKT then 3 killing Khan so good?
A: Because he ran over the other 3 members of Taek Bang Leessang when they were all strong opponents.
A2: Because he went 7-1 against A and S class gamers back to back.
A player's skill is gauged by the level of his opponents. Would you be happy with the results if we ditched all the players in OSL and had Flash and a bunch of D+ ICCUP players? Guaranteed Flash would the SL, but is that really an accomplishment?
Yes a small part of me is happy that the list of Flash's major opposition has gotten smaller, but more of me is sad that I wont get to see him defeat those people in the OSL.
On March 12 2010 21:11 revy wrote: I don't know why any Flash fans would be happy about this. The victory is much sweeter if it is over a strong opponent. I would rather have Flash get an OSL silver losing to JD than Flash stomping over nubs and getting a gold.
Plus that and JD is fricken awesome, I've never seen someone come as prepared to something as JD was in the MSL finals. He had a separate build designed to counter Flash for each game, I'm sad we wont see that in OSL finals this time.
i dont know, flash fans want to see flash win leagues right? even with the way flash is right now, playing jaedong in a final is far from guaranteed for flash
Q: Why was Flash's first Bacchus run so good?
Q2: Why was Flash reverse all-killing SKT then 3 killing Khan so good?
A: Because he ran over the other 3 members of Taek Bang Leessang when they were all strong opponents.
A2: Because he went 7-1 against A and S class gamers back to back.
A player's skill is gauged by the level of his opponents. Would you be happy with the results if we ditched all the players in OSL and had Flash and a bunch of D+ ICCUP players? Guaranteed Flash would the SL, but is that really an accomplishment?
Yes a small part of me is happy that the list of Flash's major opposition has gotten smaller, but more of me is sad that I wont get to see him defeat those people in the OSL.
Everyone wants their favourite player to stomp over all competition, noone would hate that, but they would rather have the certainty of victories and victories after close games with a 50% chance of losing.
- click on the results - wipe my glasses - look the results again - look if i didn't click on the predictions - wipe my glasses - look the results again - pinch myself to wake up - suppose there's some mistake in the OP will check the thread later
Seriously after reading the Jaedong interview, i was hoping for a Flash vs Jaedong final. I'm so disappointed. I'm more a fan of the rivalry than the players.
OSL should have given Jaedong a free pass just because he's fucking Jaedong
So I guess tonight Jaedong will be back to his room, take a shower and receive a msg from Bisu "Yo, so I heard shit happened in your OSL. I accidentally booked a twin room in Phuket so feel free to join me ... Ok dude gtg, that hooker I met on the street just arrived at the hotel. Take it easy."
thats why flash is better than jaedong, he never commits such mistakes and screw up like jaedong does sometimes.
baby did really well, perfect game from him, but jaedong was pathetic w his mutas. he was too aggressive and lost the game there. he could have used them to snipe marines only, but he went for some scvs while turrets were firing his mutas and tried to kill a large group of marines and failed hard, so baby could form a huge ball of rines+medics+tanks to roll over him. he could have played safe with his mutas, to save it for guardians, so he wouldnt have his defilers all irradiated like he had.
On March 12 2010 22:17 ilbh wrote: thats why flash is better than jaedong, he never commits such mistakes and screw up like jaedong does sometimes.
baby did really well, perfect game from him, but jaedong was pathetic w his mutas. he was too aggressive and lost the game there. he could have used them to snipe marines only, but he went for some scvs while turrets were firing his mutas and tried to kill a large group of marines and failed hard, so baby could form a huge ball of rines+medics+tanks to roll over him. he could have played safe with his mutas, to save it for guardians, so he wouldnt have his defilers all irradiated like he had.
ok, im done with jaedong qq's LOL
WHAT 14CC ANYONE? wtf are u talking. do you have any clue AT ALL?
On March 12 2010 22:17 ilbh wrote: thats why flash is better than jaedong, he never commits such mistakes and screw up like jaedong does sometimes.
baby did really well, perfect game from him, but jaedong was pathetic w his mutas. he was too aggressive and lost the game there. he could have used them to snipe marines only, but he went for some scvs while turrets were firing his mutas and tried to kill a large group of marines and failed hard, so baby could form a huge ball of rines+medics+tanks to roll over him. he could have played safe with his mutas, to save it for guardians, so he wouldnt have his defilers all irradiated like he had.
ok, im done with jaedong qq's LOL
Oh yeah, you mean like 14ccing EVERY DAMN GAME? Or when Flash used to mech when he clearly had no real talent for mech. And how about losing to Kwanro in a Bo3 because he did the same mistake twice? Turtling to 200/200 in TvP when dragons just get triple the expansions you get. Unwilling to build turrets on Matchpoint.
Dude, Flash is far from perfect. Flash screws up, JD screws up, everyone screws up.
I'm not surprised. Remember when Jaedong lost to han in the OSL preliminaries?
A lot of S class players tend to struggle in prelims, because there's SO MUCH INFORMATION (VODs and even replays) about them but there's a lot less information the S class players have about "the average progamer" like Baby.
Because of this, less known progamers have that advantage over really well known progamers: the former can really prepare specialized builds against the latter, whereas the latter have far less to go on in preparing for a series.
The longer you stay on top, the more often you have to diversify your play. Because no matter what, Korean progamers will study your play styles and builds to death and if they see a pattern that can be exploited, they WILL exploit it.
I don't see this as a "Jaedong slump" or anything like that. It's just really tough to play in the OSL prelims as an S class player because everyone knows you and you might not know them as well.
On March 12 2010 22:17 ilbh wrote: thats why flash is better than jaedong, he never commits such mistakes and screw up like jaedong does sometimes.
baby did really well, perfect game from him, but jaedong was pathetic w his mutas. he was too aggressive and lost the game there. he could have used them to snipe marines only, but he went for some scvs while turrets were firing his mutas and tried to kill a large group of marines and failed hard, so baby could form a huge ball of rines+medics+tanks to roll over him. he could have played safe with his mutas, to save it for guardians, so he wouldnt have his defilers all irradiated like he had.
ok, im done with jaedong qq's LOL
When did you start watching starcraft? A week ago?
On March 12 2010 22:17 ilbh wrote: thats why flash is better than jaedong, he never commits such mistakes and screw up like jaedong does sometimes.
baby did really well, perfect game from him, but jaedong was pathetic w his mutas. he was too aggressive and lost the game there. he could have used them to snipe marines only, but he went for some scvs while turrets were firing his mutas and tried to kill a large group of marines and failed hard, so baby could form a huge ball of rines+medics+tanks to roll over him. he could have played safe with his mutas, to save it for guardians, so he wouldnt have his defilers all irradiated like he had.
ok, im done with jaedong qq's LOL
WHAT 14CC ANYONE? wtf are u talking. do you have any clue AT ALL?
now I'm not agreeing with ilbh but when was the last time you saw flash lose because he blindly 14cc'd?
I agree with the point in your post SuperArc, but you're saying Flash has no talent for mech? XD Flash has played some of the most perfect mech games of all time, his turtling skills are insane.
I still haven't recuperated from the shock caused by JD getting knocked out like this... I guess he's human after all.
On March 12 2010 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I agree with the point in your post SuperArc, but you're saying Flash has no talent for mech? XD Flash has played some of the most perfect mech games of all time, his turtling skills are insane.
I still haven't recuperated from the shock caused by JD getting knocked out like this... I guess he's human after all.
Pseudomech is the appropriate word. No one was using mech those seasons except for the Upmagic variation and the Heavy gol low tank push variation.
Flash's Pseudomech was horrible and the only time it worked was vs Hoejja in GOM. Hey, atleast A2 beat JD with it in WCG, so it has a use.
On March 12 2010 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I agree with the point in your post SuperArc, but you're saying Flash has no talent for mech? XD Flash has played some of the most perfect mech games of all time, his turtling skills are insane.
I still haven't recuperated from the shock caused by JD getting knocked out like this... I guess he's human after all.
Pseudomech is the appropriate word. No one was using mech those seasons except for the Upmagic variation and the Heavy gol low tank push variation.
Flash's Pseudomech was horrible and the only time it worked was vs Hoejja in GOM. Hey, atleast A2 beat JD with it in WCG, so it has a use.
I suggest yoiu watch Flash vs Effort on Desti to see what I mean.
On March 12 2010 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I agree with the point in your post SuperArc, but you're saying Flash has no talent for mech? XD Flash has played some of the most perfect mech games of all time, his turtling skills are insane.
I still haven't recuperated from the shock caused by JD getting knocked out like this... I guess he's human after all.
Pseudomech is the appropriate word. No one was using mech those seasons except for the Upmagic variation and the Heavy gol low tank push variation.
Flash's Pseudomech was horrible and the only time it worked was vs Hoejja in GOM. Hey, atleast A2 beat JD with it in WCG, so it has a use.
I suggest yoiu watch Flash vs Effort on Desti to see what I mean.
I saw that game live. Thats why I said pseudomech and not mech, remember when he used to do that horrible goli/mnm build? Thats what Superarc was talking about
On March 12 2010 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I agree with the point in your post SuperArc, but you're saying Flash has no talent for mech? XD Flash has played some of the most perfect mech games of all time, his turtling skills are insane.
I still haven't recuperated from the shock caused by JD getting knocked out like this... I guess he's human after all.
Pseudomech is the appropriate word. No one was using mech those seasons except for the Upmagic variation and the Heavy gol low tank push variation.
Flash's Pseudomech was horrible and the only time it worked was vs Hoejja in GOM. Hey, atleast A2 beat JD with it in WCG, so it has a use.
I suggest yoiu watch Flash vs Effort on Desti to see what I mean.
I saw that game live. Thats why I said pseudomech and not mech, remember when he used to do that horrible goli/mnm build? Thats what Superarc was talking about
That actually worked really well against 90% of zerg builds. Problem was that Flash tipped his hand too early by playing it a lot in proleague, and Yarnc/JD hard-countered it and knocked him out of the OSL.
Man, don't even know who to follow now in the OSL. Ohh well, atleast it's a "nice" opportunity to find some new guy to follow. Bisu and Jaedong clearly doesn't cut it at the moment unfortunatly (not that I am giving up on them though!). They will be back, mark my words!
On March 12 2010 22:17 ilbh wrote: thats why flash is better than jaedong, he never commits such mistakes and screw up like jaedong does sometimes.
baby did really well, perfect game from him, but jaedong was pathetic w his mutas. he was too aggressive and lost the game there. he could have used them to snipe marines only, but he went for some scvs while turrets were firing his mutas and tried to kill a large group of marines and failed hard, so baby could form a huge ball of rines+medics+tanks to roll over him. he could have played safe with his mutas, to save it for guardians, so he wouldnt have his defilers all irradiated like he had.
ok, im done with jaedong qq's LOL
Oh yeah, you mean like 14ccing EVERY DAMN GAME? Or when Flash used to mech when he clearly had no real talent for mech. And how about losing to Kwanro in a Bo3 because he did the same mistake twice? Turtling to 200/200 in TvP when dragons just get triple the expansions you get. Unwilling to build turrets on Matchpoint.
Dude, Flash is far from perfect. Flash screws up, JD screws up, everyone screws up.
I mean lately, not overall. overall jaedong is the best player with 5 titles and stuff, but for the last 6 months or a year Flash hasnt done stupid mistakes like jaedong.
forgetting consume and now this... I dont remember the other ridiculous mistakes, but there are more
Realistically, I'd put my money on Flash stopping himself. The way he's playing though, it'll take a few great games from his opponents. But hey, anything can happen.
On March 12 2010 20:54 purpose wrote: The only player who could beat Flash now is Stork. But we all know Stork is gonna lose to some random nobodoy before he gets that far.
Free OSL title for Flash gg no re.
Its really boring when one player dominates to hard. OSL is kinda over now, the only thing left is to find out who will get to lose the final vs Flahs.
Its actually really boring to read this kinda bullshit over and over again. You just saw Jaedong getting knocked out. Get over the fact that the same can happen to Flash.
It is pretty scary to see so many people here wondering about an outcome of a match, like this game has allways been predictable or something?
On March 12 2010 22:17 ilbh wrote: thats why flash is better than jaedong, he never commits such mistakes and screw up like jaedong does sometimes.
baby did really well, perfect game from him, but jaedong was pathetic w his mutas. he was too aggressive and lost the game there. he could have used them to snipe marines only, but he went for some scvs while turrets were firing his mutas and tried to kill a large group of marines and failed hard, so baby could form a huge ball of rines+medics+tanks to roll over him. he could have played safe with his mutas, to save it for guardians, so he wouldnt have his defilers all irradiated like he had.
ok, im done with jaedong qq's LOL
Oh yeah, you mean like 14ccing EVERY DAMN GAME? Or when Flash used to mech when he clearly had no real talent for mech. And how about losing to Kwanro in a Bo3 because he did the same mistake twice? Turtling to 200/200 in TvP when dragons just get triple the expansions you get. Unwilling to build turrets on Matchpoint.
Dude, Flash is far from perfect. Flash screws up, JD screws up, everyone screws up.
Oh my god! That's unbelievable. Jaedong out of OSL in Ro36 :O
Well, for all the people saying that the OSL will be less entertaining, there is still possibility that Baby will bring some excellent games (which I really hope so). Big names don't always bring best games... Saying that, it is sad to see Jaedong lose so early. I really hope Flash and Jaedong will meet in the OSL again...
Now that I think of it, what won baby the game was his amazing decision to go dropship first after showing Jaedong the sci facility. JD kept his scourge and muta at the lurk contain in order to snipe the vessel, then a very quick drop came and did a crapload of damage. His muta micro in the main was pretty poor and unmotivated, he couldve won the game by attacking the minline but never did.
I'm getting the same feeling I got after jaedong lost the b05 to calm in the MSL two seasons ago. This indicates that the Dong will come back and stomp everyone in the MSL.
Zero can totally take this OSL. He and Stork are realistically the only 2 players I wouldn't dismiss vs. Flash (other than JD obviously) as a quick and easy opponent.
Maybe Really if he's playing his total baller TvT like he was a month ago, that was startling to see, but I think he's still got some work to do.
On March 13 2010 02:16 tedster wrote: Zero can totally take this OSL. He and Stork are realistically the only 2 players I wouldn't dismiss vs. Flash (other than JD obviously) as a quick and easy opponent.
Maybe Really if he's playing his total baller TvT like he was a month ago, that was startling to see, but I think he's still got some work to do.
Really is out.
Zero, Stork, Calm, Fantasy...
All have a shot at the OSL.
But wouldn't it be sad if hyvaa or go.go win this OSL?
but seriously, if anyone stands a chance against Flash, realistically speaking, it's probably the zergling zerg. His stupid strategies seem to confuse the genius terran. Stork is the 2nd possible candidate (sigh! second as usual.)
On March 13 2010 00:29 snotboogie wrote: As a Stork fan:
As a Stork fan this makes me go becuase i got more confidence in stork beating the dong than some random run of the mill fluke zerg.
I dunno why but stork ups his game considerably whenever hes fighting jaedong.
That may be true, but Stork does the same when he is fighting Flash as well. The difference is that Stork is far more confident in his PvT than he is in PvZ.
I remember an interview where he once jokingly said that Protosses don't have to practice for PvT. His best matchup has always been PvT and that's where I believe he'll shine.
Remember EVER OSL 07 where he ran every Terran he faced into the ground with 2 base carriers, then got 1-3ed by Jaedong? Yeeeeah.
I'm a huge fan of Stork, and I personally think his chances against Flash are much better even if Flash is doing better than Jaedong right now.
Now I'm imagining Jaedong sitting down next to Bisu at the bar, looking depressed.
Bisu: "What happened to you?" Jaedong: "Got eliminated from the Starleague 2-0 by Baby." Bisu: "I get you. 2-1 from Go.go here." ... Both: "Fucking imba Terran."
On March 13 2010 03:04 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Now I'm imagining Jaedong sitting down next to Bisu at the bar, looking depressed.
Bisu: "What happened to you?" Jaedong: "Got eliminated from the Starleague 2-0 by Baby." Bisu: "I get you. 2-1 from Go.go here." ... Both: "Fucking imba Terran."
On March 13 2010 03:39 koreasilver wrote: Been refreshing the VOD thread for like 4 hours now.
I have been looking for the vods everywhere all day. I'm so fucking mad and frustrated right now that... I don't think I will watch any more SC for a while.
The season depends on the most dominant player in my opinion. When Bisu just crushed Savior every other protoss followed in his footsteps to lead an era of toss domination, last season jaedong was unstoppable creating a swarm season of zergs left right following in his aggressive play and studying his zvz mastery, now its flash's turn to create the dawn of terran.
On March 13 2010 07:13 Housemd wrote: I can't believe JD lost, even though im a huge anti-fan of his Dont know how long he's going to be in a slump, this may be his time
yes, jaedong will die very soon, he's in his last days
On March 13 2010 03:39 koreasilver wrote: Been refreshing the VOD thread for like 4 hours now.
I have been looking for the vods everywhere all day. I'm so fucking mad and frustrated right now that... I don't think I will watch any more SC for a while.
Good job Baby. Yes its disappointing that JD lost that first game in that manner, but it wasn't the deciding game. Baby took the second game and was well deserved. Maybe this will help JD get back into his top form and get that msl gold.
You can click the link on the left under league standings to see who has made it so far. As far as brackets go, they are not formed until the group selection night. There the sixteen players go through a process of having themselves placed into groups for the Ro16 round robin.
In my opinion, Baby just played better than Jaedong, way better than Jaedong TO WIN TWO SETS!!!
i think Jaedong either is tired and/or out of shape, he's been put under a lot of stress due winner's league...his entire team relies on him to win 3-4 matches every match
I hope jaedong recovers, it would be sad to see a legend like him die in a few days time
okay game 2 is impossible for my computer to load for some reason. loads 30 seconds, pauses, loads 30 seconds, pauses. I even let it load for 2+ hours, only got 7 minutes of the game, then stopped loading.
"God Baby sucks so hard. Get those 3 SCVs working!" "Baby is going to die NO turrets in the main" "Wow JD just rapes a whole bunch of MnM." "WOW...Jaedong . He surely is angry about the 1st game." "Baby needs to finish this before delifer comes out!" "Defiler is going to win this. as usual terran has no answer" "Consume done, looking bad for baby" "Going to be tough for Baby now.."
On March 13 2010 09:21 Housemd wrote: In my opinion, Baby just played better than Jaedong, way better than Jaedong TO WIN TWO SETS!!!
i think Jaedong either is tired and/or out of shape, he's been put under a lot of stress due winner's league...his entire team relies on him to win 3-4 matches every match
I hope jaedong recovers, it would be sad to see a legend like him die in a few days time
i need to start a fund that everytime this excuse comes up. can you fucking fanboys just not accept that he lost or what
I bet Jaedong is hitting himself in a head for not ppp when the bug occurred.
Saying baller lines like "I don't care, let's move on" only impresses if you are the final victor.
I think Jaedong got arrogant and too self-conceit of his own skills. He is indeed very close to topping Nada's record after all and fresh from a MSL gold. I hope this is a wake up call.
On March 13 2010 09:21 Housemd wrote: In my opinion, Baby just played better than Jaedong, way better than Jaedong TO WIN TWO SETS!!!
i think Jaedong either is tired and/or out of shape, he's been put under a lot of stress due winner's league...his entire team relies on him to win 3-4 matches every match
I hope jaedong recovers, it would be sad to see a legend like him die in a few days time
i need to start a fund that everytime this excuse comes up. can you fucking fanboys just not accept that he lost or what
On March 15 2010 02:07 dukethegold wrote: I bet Jaedong is hitting himself in a head for not ppp when the bug occurred.
Saying baller lines like "I don't care, let's move on" only impresses if you are the final victor.
I think Jaedong got arrogant and too self-conceit of his own skills. He is indeed very close to topping Nada's record after all and fresh from a MSL gold. I hope this is a wake up call.
On the other hand...maybe Bisu feels happier now.
Tbh this reminds me of the Boxer story, where he explained how he trained a timing drop of 1 siege tank on some map that had a platform that fits exactly for that tank and with his timing he could shut down opponent's expo and skyrocket ahead. But when the match came, it so happened that the map was rebalanced and he didn't bother checking it up, so when his dropship went to that point and could not drop the tank he was like "wtffff" but didn't do anything out of the ordinary (except that his dropship had to come back to base and he had to play from behind and eventually loose)
Why am I saying that? Don't get me wrong, I'm as much of a Jaedong fanboy as every other jae fanboy out here But I think it's quite normal for them to continue playing in such a spot.
Was he upset / angry? For sure! Did he want a rematch? Maybe he "wanted" one unconsciously, but I'd bet he didn't even think for a second about typing ppp and ask KESPA for anything like that.
Just watched the second Jaedong vs Baby game... new Baby fan here. Hardly perfect play, but the kid was everywhere at once. Jaedong trying to sneak lurkers and lings in? Baby's already got a response and pursues them until they all die. He was fighting Jaedong on like 2-4 fronts, and winning! Doing all the little things... wow!
On March 15 2010 02:07 dukethegold wrote: I bet Jaedong is hitting himself in a head for not ppp when the bug occurred.
Saying baller lines like "I don't care, let's move on" only impresses if you are the final victor.
I think Jaedong got arrogant and too self-conceit of his own skills. He is indeed very close to topping Nada's record after all and fresh from a MSL gold. I hope this is a wake up call.
On the other hand...maybe Bisu feels happier now.
Tbh this reminds me of the Boxer story, where he explained how he trained a timing drop of 1 siege tank on some map that had a platform that fits exactly for that tank and with his timing he could shut down opponent's expo and skyrocket ahead. But when the match came, it so happened that the map was rebalanced and he didn't bother checking it up, so when his dropship went to that point and could not drop the tank he was like "wtffff" but didn't do anything out of the ordinary (except that his dropship had to come back to base and he had to play from behind and eventually loose)
Why am I saying that? Don't get me wrong, I'm as much of a Jaedong fanboy as every other jae fanboy out here But I think it's quite normal for them to continue playing in such a spot.
Was he upset / angry? For sure! Did he want a rematch? Maybe he "wanted" one unconsciously, but I'd bet he didn't even think for a second about typing ppp and ask KESPA for anything like that.
err it was within the kespa rules to give JD a re. If actually pressed PPP he wouldve been given a re. Heck even after the game they asked JD if he wanted the re, but he said no and told them to go on.
dude i dont get why JD get a chance to rematch for the first game.
it was clearly an intended function of SC. blizz intentionally made collision size of lurkers huge to make em clumsy as a balance measure. JD was stupid not to consider that lurkers might get pushed around when they finish morphing.
baby won the first game fair and square. the mapmaker didnt make a mistake nor did blizzard. JD played like a noob and lost.
On March 15 2010 02:17 Vic.nQQ wrote: Tbh this reminds me of the Boxer story, where he explained how he trained a timing drop of 1 siege tank on some map that had a platform that fits exactly for that tank and with his timing he could shut down opponent's expo and skyrocket ahead. But when the match came, it so happened that the map was rebalanced and he didn't bother checking it up, so when his dropship went to that point and could not drop the tank he was like "wtffff" but didn't do anything out of the ordinary (except that his dropship had to come back to base and he had to play from behind and eventually loose)
Why am I saying that? Don't get me wrong, I'm as much of a Jaedong fanboy as every other jae fanboy out here But I think it's quite normal for them to continue playing in such a spot.
Was he upset / angry? For sure! Did he want a rematch? Maybe he "wanted" one unconsciously, but I'd bet he didn't even think for a second about typing ppp and ask KESPA for anything like that.
in boxer's situation though, KESPA's decision was unfair against boxer. it is EXTREMELY rare that a map gets changed in middle of a tournament.
almost every map had balance issues, ie, blue storm's natural expo layout was notoriously in favor of muta harass. they eventually patched blue storm, but the terrain change does not occur until the next tournament.
On March 15 2010 11:37 dybydx wrote: dude i dont get why JD get a chance to rematch for the first game.
it was clearly an intended function of SC. blizz intentionally made collision size of lurkers huge to make em clumsy as a balance measure. JD was stupid not to consider that lurkers might get pushed around when they finish morphing.
baby won the first game fair and square. the mapmaker didnt make a mistake nor did blizzard. JD played like a noob and lost.
actually, lurkers are not that clumsy, they are simply bigger than hydralisks. they move almost as quickly as mnm and can keep up fairly well with speed-upgraded lings. they are not intended, however, to get trapped as some "balance measure." the doodads glitched the lurkers out accidently and was clearly a bug.
On March 15 2010 02:17 Vic.nQQ wrote: Tbh this reminds me of the Boxer story, where he explained how he trained a timing drop of 1 siege tank on some map that had a platform that fits exactly for that tank and with his timing he could shut down opponent's expo and skyrocket ahead. But when the match came, it so happened that the map was rebalanced and he didn't bother checking it up, so when his dropship went to that point and could not drop the tank he was like "wtffff" but didn't do anything out of the ordinary (except that his dropship had to come back to base and he had to play from behind and eventually loose)
Why am I saying that? Don't get me wrong, I'm as much of a Jaedong fanboy as every other jae fanboy out here But I think it's quite normal for them to continue playing in such a spot.
Was he upset / angry? For sure! Did he want a rematch? Maybe he "wanted" one unconsciously, but I'd bet he didn't even think for a second about typing ppp and ask KESPA for anything like that.
in boxer's situation though, KESPA's decision was unfair against boxer. it is EXTREMELY rare that a map gets changed in middle of a tournament.
almost every map had balance issues, ie, blue storm's natural expo layout was notoriously in favor of muta harass. they eventually patched blue storm, but the terrain change does not occur until the next tournament.
In Boxer's case, from what I heard, is that Boxer never got the new version of the map. The version that he received from Kespa was an outdated one. Nobody told him that the version got changed. It got famous when it was obvious to the audience that one of Boxer's dropships simply "hangout" in the middle of nowhere and ran around on top of a tiny piece of land for a good period of time. Kespa screwed up in that case.
In this case, Jaedong simply said "no" to the offer of a regame. Then he lost the 2nd set. GG. Kespa hardly at fault.
On March 15 2010 01:37 Simplistik wrote: "God Baby sucks so hard. Get those 3 SCVs working!" "Baby is going to die NO turrets in the main" "Wow JD just rapes a whole bunch of MnM." "WOW...Jaedong . He surely is angry about the 1st game." "Baby needs to finish this before delifer comes out!" "Defiler is going to win this. as usual terran has no answer" "Consume done, looking bad for baby" "Going to be tough for Baby now.."
On March 15 2010 11:47 hyst.eric.al wrote: actually, lurkers are not that clumsy, they are simply bigger than hydralisks. they move almost as quickly as mnm and can keep up fairly well with speed-upgraded lings. they are not intended, however, to get trapped as some "balance measure." the doodads glitched the lurkers out accidently and was clearly a bug.
the large size does make lurker forces clumsy when moving in large numbers and passing thru choke areas. this issue is more evident with dragoons going through a choke, which are easily melted by tanks
this terrain "glitch" is a well known feature of SC and has been frequently used in the MSL/OSL to "glitch" units over obstacles in maps like outsider or more famously on monty hall. iCCup rules even explicitly say that this bug is ALLOWED (along with "bugs" like hold lurkers)
so JD was being a total noob and deserved the loss.
On March 15 2010 11:50 dukethegold wrote: In this case, Jaedong simply said "no" to the offer of a regame. Then he lost the 2nd set. GG. Kespa hardly at fault.
i totally dont understand why JD got offered a rematch unless KESPA screwed him by using a diff version of the map.
Are there source for giving a re-match, not because he is some champion that gives them TV ratings? If he rematch the game that would seriously fucked their mindset.
This faulty AI is same as reaver shooting a scarab, what the fuck can the player do about it? Other than unit placements. If Protosses were to miss a scarab and given re's then hell would raise.
On March 15 2010 14:46 anch wrote: Are there source for giving a re-match, not because he is some champion that gives them TV ratings? If he rematch the game that would seriously fucked their mindset.
This faulty AI is same as reaver shooting a scarab, what the fuck can the player do about it? Other than unit placements. If Protosses were to miss a scarab and given re's then hell would raise.
seriously >.> at least the mistake jaedong made is avoidable, just dont morph lurkers next to doodads that can fuck with their AI. completely dont understand why jaedong gets a rematch option while everyone else whos had a random fuck-up doesnt. wasnt there a time where a lurk got trapped between a cliff and a critter and died cause of it? that person didnt get a regame did he?
On March 15 2010 11:50 dukethegold wrote: In this case, Jaedong simply said "no" to the offer of a regame. Then he lost the 2nd set. GG. Kespa hardly at fault.
??????? I'm sorry, where did you hear this information? I speak fluent Korean and I didn't hear anything like this during the broadcast. What I heard was this:
Commentators: Had Jaedong paused the game as soon as his lurkers had glitched/hopped into the reef barrier, then Kespa possibly might have offered a regame, if they believed the mistake was rather due to the map, than to Jaedong. However, because JD did not request a pause during the game, and instead played on, it was impossible to offer a regame because he had already lost and it would have been disadvantageous to Baby.
In summary, the crucial distinction was that JD did not request the pause right after the incident occured; that was his mistake. However, even if he had requested the pause, Kespa might have turned him down anyway, possibly saying that it was his fault he morphed his hydras so close to map artifacts.
So, am I wrong? Did Kespa actually offer JD a regame?
On March 12 2010 20:01 MrHoon wrote: If jaedong didn't attack
Jaedong could've asked for a regame (which the refs would've allowed)
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
lol, what are you talking about? They don't allow a regame for morphing a lurk in a spot where it could possibly wall-hop. They don't re-game when they do it on purpose, so why would they regame if they do it on accident?
Because it is a flaw in the map and that is the rules of Kespa?
Jeezes haven't you guys watched old games where drones would get stuck on ramps in RH3?
Jaedong fanboys need to quit crying over a game he probably would have lost any ways. And even had he won this game he would have been roflstomped without cheese in set 3 since BaBy's mechanics were so much shaper than Jaedong's at every point in the second game.
Watch the game again I really don't think a 3rd lurker would have helped much at all in that situation. Yea maybe soak up a bit of fire but he didnt even damage the second bunker and barely took down the first with 2 lurkers and lings. BaBy prepared well and Outplayed Jaedong.
To clarify my translation, I translated it during a live game. The second the lurkers got stuck, the commentators said "This should be a regame" Throughout the game they commented how map mistakes such as these isn't anyone's fault. However as the 1st set ended and during the transition to 2nd set game, the commentators have said "We have to ask the referees about this" and before the ref could get Jaedong's opinion, jaedong just wanted to move on.
So in the end, we will never ever know. So stop making assumptions from both sides.
just got around to watching these and baby vs jd game 2 was just amazing. I was shaking my head during the muta harass, but when he got to jd's 3rd, the battles were incredible. He used every chance he got to snipe an extra lurker and just built up small edges over time. Baby kept playing better and better and jd looked like he eventually just got tired from having to keep pushing baby back.
I'm so happy baby got to this point. Ever since his debut game (against jd), I've been watching him closely because all the little things he does really add up.
On March 12 2010 20:10 okum wrote: Looking at the replay, I'm not sure if the extra lurker would have saved the game. Baby had the second bunker, and JD didn't have enough lings to support with.
Obviously he had no chance without it, though.
To defend a Lurker All In you need atleast 3 bunkers Baby had 2
Jaedong would've won.
You speak with such certainty it makes me sick.. Starcraft is a game where nothing is certain, most people probably would say that hero would won game 3 if it was paused..
This is Jaedong.
Whatever, to me it looked like one more lurker wouldnt matter much, but i didnt came here and talk hey, 100% loose for jaedong
Mr hoon..
Q: What do you have to say about the Lurker that got stuck against (T)BaBy? A: It’s my fault for morphing there. Although it’s disappointing, I would have lost even if it weren’t stuck so I don’t have anything to say.
A lot of people here were like "jaedong would win bla bla bla".. Here it is, from Jaedong him self. Please stop being so "certain", thanks..
Suprising to see Jaedong not pass this Group. Unfortunate for the glitched lurker. Having 1 more lurker may have broken Baby's front defenses.
With Jaedong out, Protoss won't be instantly eliminated anymore. That's good since I like to see more of Flash's TvP rather than his TvZ which we know is already godly.
On March 19 2010 13:11 zFly wrote: Terran is definitely imba. Needs 1.17
People definitely would have said that about toss a few years ago and zerg a few months ago. All during 1.16. So, please shut up about racial imbalance.
On March 19 2010 13:11 zFly wrote: Terran is definitely imba. Needs 1.17
People definitely would have said that about toss a few years ago and zerg a few months ago. All during 1.16. So, please shut up about racial imbalance.
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