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[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 107

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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2121
On January 23 2010 18:47 cz wrote:
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On January 23 2010 18:45 Letmelose wrote:
Flash had the economy advantage in game 1 and decided to throw it away by not playing safe in the one timing frame that Jaedong could abuse.

Jaedong had the economy advantage in game 2 and decided to throw it away by wasting all his guardians when he could have used them to defend his 4 gas economy right before his tech switch to ultralisks/crackling/defiler.

Poor games so far truth be told.


when you put aside all the fanboyism about who 'raped' who this is actually a good summary. Both games were effectively the loser blowing it rather than the winner earning it, no matter how much you adore the winner and think 'he's so epic 1337 pure awesomeness ftw!!!'

I disagree.

I think that JD would have been in a fine spot had Flash not seen the perfect opportunity to bring drops into the main. He even dmatrix'd which was essential. If he hadn't done the dmatrix dropship attack he wouldn't have won.

I wrote more about game 1, but I think that the map and JD's build played a big role in the win there. I have seen both of these games as extremely high level. JD has played a little unconventionally in both, which I expected, and it has worked for him.

It's been a great series so far. You do it nowhere near enough credit.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2122
Are they making fucking talkshow out of these finals?Jesus christ, MBC why, why.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2123
wtf Hyung Joon
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2124
Idra sighting
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2125
On January 23 2010 18:50 alexpnd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 18:45 Letmelose wrote:
Flash had the economy advantage in game 1 and decided to throw it away by not playing safe in the one timing frame that Jaedong could abuse.

Jaedong had the economy advantage in game 2 and decided to throw it away by wasting all his guardians when he could have used them to defend his 4 gas economy right before his tech switch to ultralisks/crackling/defiler.

Poor games so far truth be told.


I wouldn't call them poor games, I mean the rate that they escalate makes them so exciting, small windows of time can shake the whole thing and they have. It's easy to make mistakes at such speed and complexity that they play in.


the "in" thing to do is call games out for being poorly played because it distinguishes your superiority as a starcraft fan. u should try it too next time
manner
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2126
On January 23 2010 18:48 Scaramanga wrote:
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On January 23 2010 18:47 jalstar wrote:


shine is immune to the greater spire curse, he also beat really with guardians

And Fantasy, he raped fantasy with guards

didnt he beat fantasy cause of lack of turrets and AA vs 2-hatch muta?
Loffeman
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden105 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2127
4 pool vs 14 cc incomming!
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2128
On January 23 2010 18:49 d_so wrote:
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On January 23 2010 18:44 On_Slaught wrote:
Another problem with guardians is it is painfully clear from any game Flash has ever played that he always counters guardians instantly with wraiths which he pre-builds.

How JD doesn't know this is a complete mystery and it might end up costing him the MSL if he doesn't get his shit back together.


look it's not that jaedong doesnt know his gaurdians are going to get countered. the gaurdians were only there to delay for ultras. it wasnt a matter of if they would but when... he got the gaurds out by the time there were only two wraiths, so they didnt die that slow and were semi successful.

u can say that flash wasted x resources in having his gaurdains die... but jd never made more than his first batch of mutas. the money he saved from making replacement mutas was spent on the gaurds, so it wasnt too much of a waste in terms of resources.

the problem was not stopping the drop. maybe jd expected flash to make more wraiths, whereas flash went dropshops right after his first two wraiths


jd could have done a ton more damage with those mutas against an empty main
How do you mine minerals?
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2129
It's so painful having to witness the 4chan kids on the nice stream.
Chains none
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2130
On January 23 2010 18:49 landonious wrote:
OMG - sick sick strategy guys...

Here is what Jaedong should have done... he had 4 base running... so he can proxy hatchery near flash's natural in a place flash would never expect or scan cause its not near any minerals and then use this for scourge making... BOOM! scourge is instantly deployed to the frontline with no on route sniping! anyone comment?? i think this is gosu strat that can be used effectively by S-class player!



proxy hatch? fail.
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Lazzarus
Profile Joined December 2008
Faroe Islands114 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2131
Who's ss501 guy - care to explain?
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2132
On January 23 2010 18:49 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 18:44 On_Slaught wrote:
Another problem with guardians is it is painfully clear from any game Flash has ever played that he always counters guardians instantly with wraiths which he pre-builds.

How JD doesn't know this is a complete mystery and it might end up costing him the MSL if he doesn't get his shit back together.


look it's not that jaedong doesnt know his gaurdians are going to get countered. the gaurdians were only there to delay for ultras. it wasnt a matter of if they would but when... he got the gaurds out by the time there were only two wraiths, so they didnt die that slow and were semi successful.

u can say that flash wasted x resources in having his gaurdains die... but jd never made more than his first batch of mutas. the money he saved from making replacement mutas was spent on the gaurds, so it wasnt too much of a waste in terms of resources.

the problem was not stopping the drop. maybe jd expected flash to make more wraiths, whereas flash went dropshops right after his first two wraiths


there was no need to delay at all. if he had morphed the guards in his main there would have been no fear from flash's army, wherever it was
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2133
Oh man I wish I could watch T_T

Go FlaSh GO!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Yizuo
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1537 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2134
Big Thank You! to HuskyThe Husky for the great stream
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 09:52:10
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2135
Why is Hyung Joo there?

edit: Joon*
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
jiabung
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States720 Posts
January 23 2010 09:51 GMT
#2136
jaedong saw 2 ports with ADD-ONS so I think he assumed flash was going sv. Losing those guards like that was awful.. leaving 2 mutas unmorphed and he woulda had that natural
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 23 2010 09:52 GMT
#2137
Wow. jd just picked up some points in my book for having a way hotter fan club leader. no contest on that one.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States694 Posts
January 23 2010 09:52 GMT
#2138
not that great of a series so far

set1: lolturrets
set2: lolguardians
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 23 2010 09:52 GMT
#2139
On January 23 2010 18:50 T.O.P. wrote:
SS501 Hyun Joong is here. He's a idol in Korea.


he's going to play some bnet games on jan 27

but if i wanted to see a prettyboy lose to random noobs i'd watch bisu :iceburn:
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
January 23 2010 09:52 GMT
#2140
Did Flash know about the other expansions?
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
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