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[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 108

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MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
January 23 2010 09:52 GMT
#2141
On January 23 2010 18:50 keV. wrote:
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On January 23 2010 18:49 Gigaudas wrote:
On January 23 2010 18:47 keV. wrote:
On January 23 2010 18:46 Gigaudas wrote:
Does anyone think that this is a high level of play?

I really feel that Flash gave away game one and Jaedong gave away game two. It's like when me and my noob friends play Go or chess - the one who fucks up the least wins.


This is often the case with the s-class group. First mistake loses.


But these weren't just mistakes, these were huge terrible decisions.


A bad decision isn't a mistake?

not just a mistake. even worse
p53
Profile Joined September 2009
297 Posts
January 23 2010 09:52 GMT
#2142
On January 23 2010 18:51 Lazzarus wrote:
Who's ss501 guy - care to explain?


he's a korean boy band celebrity.

Suddenly I have an appreciation for SS501
Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
January 23 2010 09:52 GMT
#2143
On January 23 2010 18:50 Orome wrote:
That was a really, really strange game. Seemed like a BO win advantage that was increased by the fact that flash continued to build an incredible amount of marines he had no use for. Then Jaedong retreated with his mutas from a defenseless main to defend his natural that had 10+ sunkens, attacked with his guardians before he had any support, lost all of them and Flash somehow managed to win the game with a risky drop.

lol, I haven't watched progaming in a while and I feel like I'm completely missing what went on this game.


i think you pretty much got it
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 23 2010 09:52 GMT
#2144
guardians aren't cheap - and in that situation, I think lurkers might have done better - maybe fake going guardians with greater spire but only build lurkers.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
January 23 2010 09:53 GMT
#2145
googo jaedong
Breaking Bad
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
January 23 2010 09:53 GMT
#2146
On January 23 2010 18:49 Alethios wrote:
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On January 23 2010 18:47 Sebastien wrote:
I'm one of the most rabid Jaedong fanboys but seriously, WTF WAS HE THINKING GOING OFFENSIVE GUARDIANS?! That was pretty much the only way he could throw the game away. I feel sick.

Especially since Flash's main was pretty vunerable to muta harrass.


Yeah I think that muta group would've raped Flash's main but maybe JD was afraid if he could multitask it if Flash pushed his front door and was worried if it would hold. But still Mutas in main much much better.
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 23 2010 09:53 GMT
#2147
On January 23 2010 18:51 cz wrote:
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On January 23 2010 18:49 d_so wrote:
On January 23 2010 18:44 On_Slaught wrote:
Another problem with guardians is it is painfully clear from any game Flash has ever played that he always counters guardians instantly with wraiths which he pre-builds.

How JD doesn't know this is a complete mystery and it might end up costing him the MSL if he doesn't get his shit back together.


look it's not that jaedong doesnt know his gaurdians are going to get countered. the gaurdians were only there to delay for ultras. it wasnt a matter of if they would but when... he got the gaurds out by the time there were only two wraiths, so they didnt die that slow and were semi successful.

u can say that flash wasted x resources in having his gaurdains die... but jd never made more than his first batch of mutas. the money he saved from making replacement mutas was spent on the gaurds, so it wasnt too much of a waste in terms of resources.

the problem was not stopping the drop. maybe jd expected flash to make more wraiths, whereas flash went dropshops right after his first two wraiths


there was no need to delay at all. if he had morphed the guards in his main there would have been no fear from flash's army, wherever it was


he didnt delay the gaurds. im saying the objective of the gaurds is to delay the terran offensive until ultras come out. refer to flash vs luxury on troy... i think in 2008? 2009? same strat.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51638 Posts
January 23 2010 09:53 GMT
#2148
On January 23 2010 18:51 Disregard wrote:
Why is Hyung Joo there?

edit: Joon*


he likes sc and he's going to be playing as a progamer for mbcgame on wednesday
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WeSt
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Portugal918 Posts
January 23 2010 09:53 GMT
#2149
On January 23 2010 18:52 Zona wrote:
guardians aren't cheap - and in that situation, I think lurkers might have done better - maybe fake going guardians with greater spire but only build lurkers.


Yes and flash wouldn't use scans and see hydras being made T.T
zvz is imba
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
January 23 2010 09:53 GMT
#2150
On January 23 2010 18:52 jalstar wrote:
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On January 23 2010 18:50 T.O.P. wrote:
SS501 Hyun Joong is here. He's a idol in Korea.


he's going to play some bnet games on jan 27

but if i wanted to see a prettyboy lose to random noobs i'd watch bisu :iceburn:


MBC is desperate to increase ratings. Might as well invite Hyun Joong, pretty pretty boy.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
January 23 2010 09:54 GMT
#2151
Guardians were instrumental in GGplay's victory over Iris in the Daum OSL on Monty Hall. :3
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
January 23 2010 09:54 GMT
#2152
Now's the time for cheese from either player.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
January 23 2010 09:54 GMT
#2153
On January 23 2010 18:53 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 18:51 Disregard wrote:
Why is Hyung Joo there?

edit: Joon*


he likes sc and he's going to be playing as a progamer for mbcgame on wednesday

Zerg is his favorite race so he's cheering for Jaedong.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 23 2010 09:54 GMT
#2154
12hatch vs flash walling so far
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 09:54 GMT
#2155
12 hatch from JD...
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
January 23 2010 09:54 GMT
#2156
People who watch this game seem to have such unreasonably high standards. There is so much whining in every live report thread.

I've enjoyed both games so far and am looking forward to this one!
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
January 23 2010 09:54 GMT
#2157
Would you rather have nine guardians or 6 defilers and some lings? The answer is the six defilers.

Oh wow, I hope Flash goes some kind of mech build here.

I love this map.
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Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
January 23 2010 09:54 GMT
#2158
On January 23 2010 18:53 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 18:51 cz wrote:
On January 23 2010 18:49 d_so wrote:
On January 23 2010 18:44 On_Slaught wrote:
Another problem with guardians is it is painfully clear from any game Flash has ever played that he always counters guardians instantly with wraiths which he pre-builds.

How JD doesn't know this is a complete mystery and it might end up costing him the MSL if he doesn't get his shit back together.


look it's not that jaedong doesnt know his gaurdians are going to get countered. the gaurdians were only there to delay for ultras. it wasnt a matter of if they would but when... he got the gaurds out by the time there were only two wraiths, so they didnt die that slow and were semi successful.

u can say that flash wasted x resources in having his gaurdains die... but jd never made more than his first batch of mutas. the money he saved from making replacement mutas was spent on the gaurds, so it wasnt too much of a waste in terms of resources.

the problem was not stopping the drop. maybe jd expected flash to make more wraiths, whereas flash went dropshops right after his first two wraiths


there was no need to delay at all. if he had morphed the guards in his main there would have been no fear from flash's army, wherever it was


he didnt delay the gaurds. im saying the objective of the gaurds is to delay the terran offensive until ultras come out. refer to flash vs luxury on troy... i think in 2008? 2009? same strat.

hes saying that there is no need to delay the offensive push if you have defensive guardians since M&M cant break guard-sunk
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
January 23 2010 09:54 GMT
#2159
On January 23 2010 18:54 Scorch wrote:
Now's the time for cheese from either player.

and yet, no cheese
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2160
On January 23 2010 18:53 Disregard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 18:52 jalstar wrote:
On January 23 2010 18:50 T.O.P. wrote:
SS501 Hyun Joong is here. He's a idol in Korea.


he's going to play some bnet games on jan 27

but if i wanted to see a prettyboy lose to random noobs i'd watch bisu :iceburn:


MBC is desperate to increase ratings. Might as well invite Hyun Joong, pretty pretty boy.


someoen for the love of god show some PROOF of decreased ratings or revenue for MBC and MBC GAME. God all this unsubstantiated shit talking si driving me nuts.
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