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Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2161
Whatever, the real series starts with this game. Hope for a good, drawn out even game
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2162
3 hatch before pool again!!?!
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2163
On January 23 2010 18:51 poor newb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 18:49 d_so wrote:
On January 23 2010 18:44 On_Slaught wrote:
Another problem with guardians is it is painfully clear from any game Flash has ever played that he always counters guardians instantly with wraiths which he pre-builds.

How JD doesn't know this is a complete mystery and it might end up costing him the MSL if he doesn't get his shit back together.


look it's not that jaedong doesnt know his gaurdians are going to get countered. the gaurdians were only there to delay for ultras. it wasnt a matter of if they would but when... he got the gaurds out by the time there were only two wraiths, so they didnt die that slow and were semi successful.

u can say that flash wasted x resources in having his gaurdains die... but jd never made more than his first batch of mutas. the money he saved from making replacement mutas was spent on the gaurds, so it wasnt too much of a waste in terms of resources.

the problem was not stopping the drop. maybe jd expected flash to make more wraiths, whereas flash went dropshops right after his first two wraiths


jd could have done a ton more damage with those mutas against an empty main

He felt ahead. His economy was insane. Did you see the number of drones he had? And he had a ton of sunks in his choke and nydus to the islands. He was feeling so comfortable, because frankly the only thing that could break him was dmatrixed dropships. He got complacent, but really it was the insanely good decision making by the winner that carried it. It was a mistake by JD, but it wouldn't have mattered that much without Flash's insane little tactic there.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2164
Wow, JD is greedy.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
saikeraku
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada2933 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2165
3 hatch before pool again! baller
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2166
again?
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2167
No pool 3 hatch AGAIN by JD!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2168
3hatchery before pool again, flash has scv ready for fe
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2169
On January 23 2010 18:51 thopol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 18:47 cz wrote:
On January 23 2010 18:45 Letmelose wrote:
Flash had the economy advantage in game 1 and decided to throw it away by not playing safe in the one timing frame that Jaedong could abuse.

Jaedong had the economy advantage in game 2 and decided to throw it away by wasting all his guardians when he could have used them to defend his 4 gas economy right before his tech switch to ultralisks/crackling/defiler.

Poor games so far truth be told.


when you put aside all the fanboyism about who 'raped' who this is actually a good summary. Both games were effectively the loser blowing it rather than the winner earning it, no matter how much you adore the winner and think 'he's so epic 1337 pure awesomeness ftw!!!'

I disagree.

I think that JD would have been in a fine spot had Flash not seen the perfect opportunity to bring drops into the main. He even dmatrix'd which was essential. If he hadn't done the dmatrix dropship attack he wouldn't have won.

I wrote more about game 1, but I think that the map and JD's build played a big role in the win there. I have seen both of these games as extremely high level. JD has played a little unconventionally in both, which I expected, and it has worked for him.

It's been a great series so far. You do it nowhere near enough credit.


First game I don't see how any T was going to win once he went for an un-turreted main with sim city to screw over his un-ranged marines vs mutas. It was just a bad build by flash, gambling Jaedong's mutas would either not check the main or wouldnt get past like 8 un-ranged marines defending it.

Second game Jaedong blew it with his offensive guardians. There was no need to 'delay' or 'buy time': just morph them (if you want to at all) in your main and he was way ahead. The fancy execution by Flash overshadowed the fact that Jaedong threw it away.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2170
lol bawls of steel
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2171
On January 23 2010 18:55 Holgerius wrote:
Wow, JD is greedy.

This is clearly his anti-1 rax CC build.
jetbobo
Profile Joined January 2010
Korea (South)11 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2172
man what an exciting finals! way better than when I was at the osl !
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2173
3 hatch before pool again...
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2174
I hope he's not going guardians again... but he's got balls doing this against a recently cheesy flash
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2175
On January 23 2010 18:54 Jyvblamo wrote:
Guardians were instrumental in GGplay's victory over Iris in the Daum OSL on Monty Hall. :3




Monty Hall was a very special map.
CJ Entusman #24
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2176
flash builds only one rine
scv just scouts JD's build

fast ebay again, extractor going up.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
January 23 2010 09:56 GMT
#2177
it almost feels like they agreed not to cheese each other for this series haha
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 23 2010 09:56 GMT
#2178
Flash going eng bay first again lol.
t00ey
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada57 Posts
January 23 2010 09:56 GMT
#2179
Great games so far.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
January 23 2010 09:56 GMT
#2180
Ebay again.... No mech? T_T
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