• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:36
CEST 11:36
KST 18:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 226ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon385.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes38Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)102
StarCraft 2
General
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 29 GSL CK #5 race war RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5899 users

[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 109

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 107 108 109 110 111 229 Next
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2161
Whatever, the real series starts with this game. Hope for a good, drawn out even game
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2162
3 hatch before pool again!!?!
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2163
On January 23 2010 18:51 poor newb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 18:49 d_so wrote:
On January 23 2010 18:44 On_Slaught wrote:
Another problem with guardians is it is painfully clear from any game Flash has ever played that he always counters guardians instantly with wraiths which he pre-builds.

How JD doesn't know this is a complete mystery and it might end up costing him the MSL if he doesn't get his shit back together.


look it's not that jaedong doesnt know his gaurdians are going to get countered. the gaurdians were only there to delay for ultras. it wasnt a matter of if they would but when... he got the gaurds out by the time there were only two wraiths, so they didnt die that slow and were semi successful.

u can say that flash wasted x resources in having his gaurdains die... but jd never made more than his first batch of mutas. the money he saved from making replacement mutas was spent on the gaurds, so it wasnt too much of a waste in terms of resources.

the problem was not stopping the drop. maybe jd expected flash to make more wraiths, whereas flash went dropshops right after his first two wraiths


jd could have done a ton more damage with those mutas against an empty main

He felt ahead. His economy was insane. Did you see the number of drones he had? And he had a ton of sunks in his choke and nydus to the islands. He was feeling so comfortable, because frankly the only thing that could break him was dmatrixed dropships. He got complacent, but really it was the insanely good decision making by the winner that carried it. It was a mistake by JD, but it wouldn't have mattered that much without Flash's insane little tactic there.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2164
Wow, JD is greedy.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
saikeraku
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada2933 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2165
3 hatch before pool again! baller
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2166
again?
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2167
No pool 3 hatch AGAIN by JD!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2168
3hatchery before pool again, flash has scv ready for fe
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2169
On January 23 2010 18:51 thopol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 18:47 cz wrote:
On January 23 2010 18:45 Letmelose wrote:
Flash had the economy advantage in game 1 and decided to throw it away by not playing safe in the one timing frame that Jaedong could abuse.

Jaedong had the economy advantage in game 2 and decided to throw it away by wasting all his guardians when he could have used them to defend his 4 gas economy right before his tech switch to ultralisks/crackling/defiler.

Poor games so far truth be told.


when you put aside all the fanboyism about who 'raped' who this is actually a good summary. Both games were effectively the loser blowing it rather than the winner earning it, no matter how much you adore the winner and think 'he's so epic 1337 pure awesomeness ftw!!!'

I disagree.

I think that JD would have been in a fine spot had Flash not seen the perfect opportunity to bring drops into the main. He even dmatrix'd which was essential. If he hadn't done the dmatrix dropship attack he wouldn't have won.

I wrote more about game 1, but I think that the map and JD's build played a big role in the win there. I have seen both of these games as extremely high level. JD has played a little unconventionally in both, which I expected, and it has worked for him.

It's been a great series so far. You do it nowhere near enough credit.


First game I don't see how any T was going to win once he went for an un-turreted main with sim city to screw over his un-ranged marines vs mutas. It was just a bad build by flash, gambling Jaedong's mutas would either not check the main or wouldnt get past like 8 un-ranged marines defending it.

Second game Jaedong blew it with his offensive guardians. There was no need to 'delay' or 'buy time': just morph them (if you want to at all) in your main and he was way ahead. The fancy execution by Flash overshadowed the fact that Jaedong threw it away.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2170
lol bawls of steel
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2171
On January 23 2010 18:55 Holgerius wrote:
Wow, JD is greedy.

This is clearly his anti-1 rax CC build.
jetbobo
Profile Joined January 2010
Korea (South)11 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2172
man what an exciting finals! way better than when I was at the osl !
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2173
3 hatch before pool again...
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2174
I hope he's not going guardians again... but he's got balls doing this against a recently cheesy flash
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2175
On January 23 2010 18:54 Jyvblamo wrote:
Guardians were instrumental in GGplay's victory over Iris in the Daum OSL on Monty Hall. :3




Monty Hall was a very special map.
CJ Entusman #24
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 23 2010 09:55 GMT
#2176
flash builds only one rine
scv just scouts JD's build

fast ebay again, extractor going up.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
January 23 2010 09:56 GMT
#2177
it almost feels like they agreed not to cheese each other for this series haha
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 23 2010 09:56 GMT
#2178
Flash going eng bay first again lol.
t00ey
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada57 Posts
January 23 2010 09:56 GMT
#2179
Great games so far.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
January 23 2010 09:56 GMT
#2180
Ebay again.... No mech? T_T
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Prev 1 107 108 109 110 111 229 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 25m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech116
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30709
Hyuk 1954
Zeus 1233
Shuttle 525
Jaedong 387
Leta 303
Larva 269
Mini 216
actioN 105
ToSsGirL 73
[ Show more ]
sSak 61
soO 50
Free 49
Killer 49
Light 41
ggaemo 36
Movie 34
Noble 31
NotJumperer 23
910 22
Hm[arnc] 20
Bale 18
sorry 17
Sharp 16
JulyZerg 13
Terrorterran 6
Dota 2
Gorgc1463
League of Legends
Doublelift6711
JimRising 471
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1567
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King109
Other Games
ceh9719
RuFF_SC238
ZerO(Twitch)0
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick25241
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 58
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 31
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2115
League of Legends
• Lourlo1991
• Stunt974
Other Games
• WagamamaTV159
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
1h 25m
PiGosaur Cup
14h 25m
The PondCast
1d
Replay Cast
1d 23h
CrankTV Team League
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
OSC
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
4 days
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
GSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.