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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
December 29 2009 10:49 GMT
#221
On December 29 2009 19:45 Nyovne wrote:
[11:35] <@Nyovne> mark my words
[11:35] <@Nyovne> hydra vs turn will be more exciting then sea vs jd


While technically true, + Show Spoiler +
it was pretty lame, too
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
December 29 2009 10:49 GMT
#222
On December 29 2009 19:45 lordmordor wrote:
Flash had his moment of thinking he didn't need turrets...apparently the two have traded places and now Flash is unstoppable while JD decides sunks are lame


i agree, but this is far from the first time, and more like the 10th time(that i can immediately pull into memory) that jd decides sunkens are for noobs.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
December 29 2009 10:50 GMT
#223
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
December 29 2009 10:51 GMT
#224
On December 29 2009 19:43 mog87 wrote:
Jewdong decides to skimp on a sunken and dies..I was hoping Sea would win an epic macro game....but oh well.

Really?
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MacWorld
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden227 Posts
December 29 2009 10:52 GMT
#225
Now I see what TossGirl meant

"If you play Jaedong now, what winrate do you honestly expect?
- Differences among progamers are slices of paper. The currently good ones have put a lot of effortt and luck has been good on them too. Progamers' skills have been standardized. If the build order is on my favor, I might win couple games against him because I'm a pro too. "
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4740 Posts
December 29 2009 10:53 GMT
#226
JD occasionally throws games away like this. Happened before, will happen again.

It didn't look like he had a game plan at all. Of course he didn't lose on purpose, but I am pretty sure he did not put much effort in it at all. Then the scouting goes wrong, your team is down 0:2. The hobby-psychologist in me would assume a motivational problem
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johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 10:54:22
December 29 2009 10:53 GMT
#227
nvm
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Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
December 29 2009 10:54 GMT
#228
i guess jaedong was more or less relying on sea pushing out and pulling back to "force" jeadong to build sunkens, but never actually attacking (which you see quite often)... He just decided this was a decent risk to take to give him an even chance in the late game, rather than play 'safe' and get the sunkens, and be behind in the mid game and have a repeat of jaedong vs flash game 1?

That being said i play protoss so i really have no clue :D. Terran usually has scan and scans to see if the sunks are there and base there push off that anyway right? I'm just trying to make some sense out of jaedongs "yeaaa 16 lings can beat 12 marines 2 bats and 2 medics, i dont need sunks" decision...
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Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 10:56:42
December 29 2009 10:55 GMT
#229
He skipped sunkens for a reason. He 9 pooled, drone scouted and made 8 lings which did nothing. And then he chose to 3 hatch at this moment.He was so behind in economy I guess he wanted to scare Sea off with lots of lings. He probably had a better chance 2 hatching, but he would've had to inflict some pretty heavy economic damage had he done that.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
December 29 2009 10:55 GMT
#230
On December 29 2009 19:52 MacWorld wrote:
Now I see what TossGirl meant

"If you play Jaedong now, what winrate do you honestly expect?
- Differences among progamers are slices of paper. The currently good ones have put a lot of effortt and luck has been good on them too. Progamers' skills have been standardized. If the build order is on my favor, I might win couple games against him because I'm a pro too. "

Out of how many tries? -__-
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Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 29 2009 10:56 GMT
#231
On December 29 2009 19:55 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 19:52 MacWorld wrote:
Now I see what TossGirl meant

"If you play Jaedong now, what winrate do you honestly expect?
- Differences among progamers are slices of paper. The currently good ones have put a lot of effortt and luck has been good on them too. Progamers' skills have been standardized. If the build order is on my favor, I might win couple games against him because I'm a pro too. "

Out of how many tries? -__-

3X bunker rush
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
December 29 2009 10:58 GMT
#232
too many times i've had to see Oz getting 0-3'd during this season, JD shoulda have won atleast.
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
December 29 2009 11:00 GMT
#233
Just when Oz started showing promise again they get 0-3ed. Wtf
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Anduril
Profile Joined May 2009
United States248 Posts
December 29 2009 11:03 GMT
#234
On December 29 2009 19:54 Ftrunkz wrote:
i guess jaedong was more or less relying on sea pushing out and pulling back to "force" jeadong to build sunkens, but never actually attacking (which you see quite often)... He just decided this was a decent risk to take to give him an even chance in the late game, rather than play 'safe' and get the sunkens, and be behind in the mid game and have a repeat of jaedong vs flash game 1?

That being said i play protoss so i really have no clue :D. Terran usually has scan and scans to see if the sunks are there and base there push off that anyway right? I'm just trying to make some sense out of jaedongs "yeaaa 16 lings can beat 12 marines 2 bats and 2 medics, i dont need sunks" decision...

I think Sea could afford to play more aggressively and not pull his forces back because he saw the early pool. Once he gets stim and medics he can fight back a lot of zerglings with good micro. I think Jaedong didn't build the sunken because it would only prolong the inevitable. He was so far behind and his spire was not even done i believe.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 11:07:36
December 29 2009 11:05 GMT
#235
On December 29 2009 19:44 Ftrunkz wrote:
they're called sunkens bro... -_-. Seriously what the hell was that? That timing push is super standard TvZ right? :\.


Against 9 - pool it is a little bit tricky . Sure he would have defended if he build like 2 or 3 sunkens , but that would probably messed his muta timing big time with the low number of drones he had after the 9 - pool and would have been behind . If he on the other hand somehow stoped the attack with lings he would have had attacking possibilities with both mutas and lings ......Probably thats why he chose to not build sunkens ....
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
December 29 2009 11:05 GMT
#236
wow... seems like jeadong isn't anymore what he used to be. i can't remeber a single 0-3 last season.
http://twitter.com/jhNz
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
December 29 2009 11:13 GMT
#237
On December 29 2009 20:05 jhNz wrote:
wow... seems like jeadong isn't anymore what he used to be. i can't remeber a single 0-3 last season.


He's 12-3 this month with 2 of the losses coming from Flash. So although this games was horrible I doubt that he is in trouble.
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
December 29 2009 11:29 GMT
#238
On December 29 2009 20:13 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 20:05 jhNz wrote:
wow... seems like jeadong isn't anymore what he used to be. i can't remeber a single 0-3 last season.


He's 12-3 this month with 2 of the losses coming from Flash. So although this games was horrible I doubt that he is in trouble.


i don't think he's slumping or something like that. i just wanted to say that he's the oz player - and overall - who's most likely to win his games in pl. so a 0-3 shouldn't happen too often
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 29 2009 11:31 GMT
#239
On December 29 2009 19:55 Warrior Madness wrote:
He skipped sunkens for a reason. He 9 pooled, drone scouted and made 8 lings which did nothing. And then he chose to 3 hatch at this moment.He was so behind in economy I guess he wanted to scare Sea off with lots of lings. He probably had a better chance 2 hatching, but he would've had to inflict some pretty heavy economic damage had he done that.


I really don't think he was that behind on economy. Sea pulled several probes to fend off the initial rush, and he built his CC on the high ground.

I didn't really look closely at Sea's BO, since I usually just assume it's the normal timing. But it's possible that he pushed earlier than normal. And Jaedong just wasn't prepared. Or he thought Sea's initial push was just to scare him into making sunkens.
Meh
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
December 29 2009 11:39 GMT
#240
as i prophetized before. Jaedong failed.

Prepare for some threads now saying JAEDONG WILL NEVER BE A CHAMPION AGAIN. HE IS PAST.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
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