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On December 29 2009 21:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 20:58 MuffinDude wrote:On December 29 2009 20:57 konadora wrote:On December 29 2009 20:56 MuffinDude wrote:On December 29 2009 20:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Bye bye Effort.
That was one sick sick sick PvZ Really? I was rather annoyed how long z can turtle for. you have to admit it was very impressive play by effort holding it out I will admit that. I was surprised at effort's macro. But this imba is rather annoying me as a p player. Well, that's different balance from Z and P point of view. It's so annoying to have to face an invincible high tech toss army. Templar + mass archon + reaver + random shit, and you can throw as many shit as you want, they get anihiliated in a few seconds. Point being, I have to agree that sometimes it is very hard for toss to finish the game, and I agree that's really annoying. I think EffOrt has lost when theses two DTs killed 30+ probes in his main / natural.
Its annoying that we never get to that high tech toss army nowadays. I wish there weren't so many zerglings and obs can take 2 scourge hits. x_x
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ling run by imba
crackling imba
lurker defense imba
psi storm imba
reaver/archon late game imba
PvZ is somehow imba every minute of the game, alternating between each race. Sounds like any non-mirror to me. But seriously, stop talking about ZvP imba all the damn time. Especially on a [oh so slightly] P>Z map.
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On December 29 2009 21:09 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
ling run by imba
crackling imba
lurker defense imba
psi storm imba
reaver/archon late game imba
PvZ is somehow imba every minute of the game, alternating between each race. Sounds like any non-mirror to me. But seriously, stop saying imba all the damn time. Especially on a P>Z map.
Nah, we weren't saying that's imba, just that it's annoying.
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Jangbi's timing on the attack/dt sneak was absolutely perfect. It was amazing that Effort didn't pull drones until his lost a good ~15 probes. That really shows just how much pressure Jangbi exerted at the same time.
But I was holding my breath the whole 2nd half of the game hoping Jangbi doesn't do something stupid like a-moving into the lurker line. Thank god he's learned to retreat and only attack when the situation present itself. The reaver switch came at a perfect time, and he was able to get half the map quickly enough to give himself a theoretical won end-game.
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On December 29 2009 21:09 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
But seriously, stop talking about ZvP imba all the damn time. Especially on a P>Z map.
12-11 in favor of P isn't really a P>Z map. Looks quite even.
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Its funny how people always call drones probe.
On December 29 2009 21:11 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 21:09 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
But seriously, stop talking about ZvP imba all the damn time. Especially on a P>Z map. 12-11 in favor of P isn't really a P>Z map. Looks quite even.
Exactly my thought. Early 3rd gas can be gotten and defended relatively easy on this map, which is what all z tend to abuse on this map anyway.
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On December 29 2009 21:09 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
ling run by imba
crackling imba
lurker defense imba
psi storm imba
reaver/archon late game imba
PvZ is somehow imba every minute of the game, alternating between each race. Sounds like any non-mirror to me. But seriously, stop saying imba all the damn time. Especially on a P>Z map.
So you're saying map imba?
Haha I was being facetious, but yeah I basically agree with what you're saying here. People make too many stupid complaints about race imba, and with so much repetitiveness that it gets annoying.
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On December 29 2009 21:11 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 21:09 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
But seriously, stop talking about ZvP imba all the damn time. Especially on a P>Z map. 12-11 in favor of P isn't really a P>Z map. Looks quite even.
Correct. Correct.
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12-11 in favour of P IS a P>Z map since the matchup is ZvP.
So P getting 50% on a map against Zerg is unfavourable for a zerg.
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My suggestions were game 3 and game 5, with a focus on game 5.
Game 3 was a fun quick game.
Game 5 was a long good game.
I'd say that ultimately it was Efforts mistakes in the DT rush (which sucks because he actually had a spore colony come up right as the first pair of DTs wound up at his south expansion), that cost him the game, mainly because from there on Jangbi didn't mess up regardless of what happened.
There's nothing imba or map imbalanced about it, it was a pure head to head strategy off.
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On December 29 2009 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
12-11 in favour of P IS a P>Z map since the matchup is ZvP.
So P getting 50% on a map against Zerg is unfavourable for a zerg.
Lmao. Funny way of saying it. So you're just basically saying that pvz is imba?
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Just imagine how much pressure Jangbi was putting on Effort at 5 for a player of Effort's caliber to get 20+ drones slain by DTs
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It's stupid how zerg can lose 30 drones and still stay in a game for so long. If toss looses 10 drones its GG in the next 5min.
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My god probes and drones aren't the same guys!
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On December 29 2009 21:17 OneOther wrote:
Just imagine how much pressure Jangbi was putting on Effort at 5 for a player of Effort's caliber to get 20+ drones slain by DTs
also, storming hydras was much easier after DTs infiltrated
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On December 29 2009 21:18 Blaz3k wrote:
It's stupid how zerg can lose 30 drones and still stay in a game for so long. If toss looses 10 drones its GG in the next 5min.
Its not the race, its the player.
Also losing 30 drones in middle game isnt as bad as losing 10 probes in early game.
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Efforts lurker-ling defense of that high ground was incredible though. Sending in zerglings piecemeal to have the lurkers do maximum damage was just brilliant.
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lol effort isn't going to win whether he lost the drones or not. This map allows toss to keep the same no. of expos easily. I would say jangbi choking if he fails to win. CJ sends effort on any map, i thought they should have sent movie instead.
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On December 29 2009 21:16 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 21:15 SuperArc wrote:
12-11 in favour of P IS a P>Z map since the matchup is ZvP.
So P getting 50% on a map against Zerg is unfavourable for a zerg.
[/sarcasm] Lmao. Funny way of saying it. So you're just basically saying that pvz is imba?
There you go (show nested quote).
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On December 29 2009 21:21 Baddieko wrote:
lol effort isn't going to win whether he lost the drones or not. This map allows toss to keep the same no. of expos easily. I would say jangbi choking if he fails to win. CJ sends effort on any map, i thought they should have sent movie instead.
Did you see M18M vs Movie?
Oh god.... the horrors.
Man, I'm awesome at typing.
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