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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 26 2009 09:01 GMT
#341
oh hey is this the thread for making blanket statements about starcraft?
brood war for life, brood war forever
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 26 2009 09:01 GMT
#342
On December 26 2009 17:59 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 17:57 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does...


1a2a?

shut the fuck up
i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn

Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t

it's not that
the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game

If not maxed -> macro until maxed

If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army,


Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter.

pvt is the least imbalanced matchup out of pvt tvz and zvp
also, you have no idea what you are talking about

when terran starts pushing with vessel/tank/gol/vult with good positioning, a moving your army with stasis is suicide

that;s why protoss players are forced to recall even if it's not optimal.

Well I guess every single terran progamer in the world is unable to have the good positioning required, so that scenario shouldn't happen too often.


PvT has historically been the least imbalanced yes... I'd say that recently that's changed quite a bit, though.

It's still the least imbalanced of the racial matchups in most of the leagues. And there are terrans doing really well against protoss... like Really. Just because Flash isn't doing well in TvP doesn't mean that pvt is imba, it means that he's bad at tvp right now.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-26 09:02:57
December 26 2009 09:01 GMT
#343
bogus bottom right
kwanro top left
fighting spirit

cmon bogus!
brood war for life, brood war forever
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
December 26 2009 09:01 GMT
#344
On December 26 2009 18:01 Crunchums wrote:
oh hey is this the thread for making blanket statements about starcraft?


No, it's the forum.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
December 26 2009 09:01 GMT
#345
On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does...


1a2a?

shut the fuck up
i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn

Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t

it's not that
the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game

If not maxed -> macro until maxed

If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army,


Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter.


You've definitely not played pvt on destination before.
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Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
December 26 2009 09:01 GMT
#346
It's 4:00 and game 2 just started. Even when they're not playing, these titans of time slowdown still affect the flow of the evening.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
sleeepy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada777 Posts
December 26 2009 09:02 GMT
#347
Alright enough of this Best vs Canata bitching. It's pissing me off more than the game itself. As I have already stated Best is my least favorite player, but he deserved to move on more than Canata. I hate his guts but he is better, and he proved it.

Now let's chill out and watch Kwanro get demolished by Bogus
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 26 2009 09:02 GMT
#348
On December 26 2009 18:01 EvoChamber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 18:01 Crunchums wrote:
oh hey is this the thread for making blanket statements about starcraft?


No, it's the forum.

nice one [image loading]
brood war for life, brood war forever
mmgoose
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
769 Posts
December 26 2009 09:02 GMT
#349
On December 26 2009 17:59 Orbifold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 17:57 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does...


1a2a?

shut the fuck up
i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn

Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t

it's not that
the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game

If not maxed -> macro until maxed

If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army,


Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter.

pvt is the least imbalanced matchup out of pvt tvz and zvp


I dunno about that, think about the following three questions:

Who are a couple "good" TvPers?
Who are a couple "good" ZvTers?
Who are a couple "good" PvZers?


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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 26 2009 09:02 GMT
#350
how so? I think through all of the matches in SC history PvT has always remained "stable" since even with fucked maps either race has a chance. In PvZ and TvZ a fucked map usually means lots of tears.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
December 26 2009 09:02 GMT
#351
i love terrans, but best plays REALLY good PvT. he is so scary in that matchup. FireGuyX saying that best's micro was really good in this game is true. canata had some really good setups vs a protoss push but best beat it almost every single time this game. soooo many of the other protosses around would have died trying to get through those barricades. props to best for playing well
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
December 26 2009 09:02 GMT
#352
On December 26 2009 18:01 Seraphim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does...


1a2a?

shut the fuck up
i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn

Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t

it's not that
the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game

If not maxed -> macro until maxed

If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army,


Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter.


You've definitely not played pvt on destination before.

he hasnt played a pvt, period
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
December 26 2009 09:02 GMT
#353
On December 26 2009 17:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I don't really know why people are complaining, I enjoyed that game, and I'm not even a fan of PvTs. A bunch of huge 200/200 armies clashing, lots of back and forth action, and even a nuke. It really wasn't just a 30 minute macrofest o.O

i agree, there was a few slow parts, but it led to an fun and entertaining climax
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 26 2009 09:03 GMT
#354
On December 26 2009 18:00 OneOther wrote:
PvT according to shikyo:
only way Terran can beat a Protoss player is 3-3 200/200 army. The game would be balanced if Protoss did not have answer to the Terran 3/3 200/200 army.

3-2 works as well, but with Stasis that's quite accurate, assuming a fast third base and early armories. The second statement, though, would be "The game is imbalanced if Terran can't beat Protoss even with a 200/200 3-3 mech army, since P is always going to have more economy to replace its army faster and more easily."
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10343 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-26 09:04:56
December 26 2009 09:03 GMT
#355
On December 26 2009 18:01 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 17:59 Orbifold wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:57 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does...


1a2a?

shut the fuck up
i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn

Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t

it's not that
the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game

If not maxed -> macro until maxed

If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army,


Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter.

pvt is the least imbalanced matchup out of pvt tvz and zvp


I dunno about that, think about the following three questions:

Who are a couple "good" TvPers?
Who are a couple "good" ZvTers?
Who are a couple "good" PvZers?

there is obviously no clear answer but that's what historical and map statistics say. and it's a bettere method than what you are doing


From a historical perspective, before the year 2007 (or late '06, T>Z was probably the biggest imbalance (looking at zerg's lack of success in individual leagues). [well, there was also how boxer could never beat a toss in the finals, but he lost to Oov, too] But who cares now. Best didn't win because of imba. He won because Canata put all his chips down on vulture harasses and nukes.
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Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
December 26 2009 09:03 GMT
#356
i Really want Bogus to win

seriously i like this dude .
T H C makes ppl happy
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-26 09:04:42
December 26 2009 09:03 GMT
#357
I expect a fun game from Kwanro v Bogus. Please don't disappoint.

3 Hatch before Pool from... 3 HATCH BEFORE POOL FROM KWANRO??? WHAT THE FUDGE?!
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iRRelevance
Profile Joined June 2009
Romania725 Posts
December 26 2009 09:03 GMT
#358
On December 26 2009 17:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I don't really know why people are complaining, I enjoyed that game, and I'm not even a fan of PvTs. A bunch of huge 200/200 armies clashing, lots of back and forth action, and even a nuke. It really wasn't just a 30 minute macrofest o.O


That game hurts if you play T.
"You can ... draw sounds ?"
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
December 26 2009 09:03 GMT
#359
hohohoho 3hatch before pool.

Kwanro <3
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 26 2009 09:03 GMT
#360
3 hatch before pool
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