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Seems like terran has to sit on their ass for 20 minutes if P rushes arbiters and stasis. And 3/3 wouldn't be completely unstoppable if EMP had the AoE the size of it's damn graphic, plus having it shoot faster means you wouldn't have to preemptively know you're about to get attacked and know the path the arbiter is going to take. Sometimes you shoot the second the arbiter comes in view of your army and it still gets the stasis off / recalls right into your base.
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On December 26 2009 17:56 SilverskY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 17:55 jodogohoo wrote:On December 26 2009 17:54 Chen wrote:
so what would all you haters prefer, 5 minute bunker rush, or 30 minute Macrofest? both baby, both I would like a 30 min bunker rush.
They'd have to make a really big map.
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30 minute macrofests don't have to be like BeSt v. Canata. In this case, just end the pain quickly.
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On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does... 1a2a? shut the fuck up i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t it's not that the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game If not maxed -> macro until maxed If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army, Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter.
pvt is the least imbalanced matchup out of pvt tvz and zvp
also, you have no idea what you are talking about
when terran starts pushing with vessel/tank/gol/vult with good positioning, a moving your army with stasis is suicide
that;s why protoss players are forced to recall even if it's not optimal.
are you saying that emps should nullify stasis? i hope to god that you are joking. how the fuck is protoss supposed to beat 3-3 terran if there is no answer? it's not a single way to beat a p, there are countless ways. your ignorance blows my mind. you have no idea how pvt works.
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On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does... 1a2a? shut the fuck up i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t it's not that the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game If not maxed -> macro until maxed If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army, Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter.
so you think that if the Terran can successfully turtle until he has a 200 food 3/3 army he should automatically win, and that would "balance" the matchup?
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On December 26 2009 17:56 Orbifold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 17:56 SilverskY wrote:On December 26 2009 17:55 jodogohoo wrote:On December 26 2009 17:54 Chen wrote:
so what would all you haters prefer, 5 minute bunker rush, or 30 minute Macrofest? both baby, both I would like a 30 min bunker rush. They'd have to make a really big map.
Or increase build times.
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On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does... 1a2a? shut the fuck up i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t it's not that the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game If not maxed -> macro until maxed If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army, Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter.
T can definitely beat P before that. P is behind in midgame before arbiter or carrier tech kicks in against a like 90-110 timing push. 2 Factory pushes, etc.
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On December 26 2009 17:57 Disregard wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 17:56 Orbifold wrote:On December 26 2009 17:56 SilverskY wrote:On December 26 2009 17:55 jodogohoo wrote:On December 26 2009 17:54 Chen wrote:
so what would all you haters prefer, 5 minute bunker rush, or 30 minute Macrofest? both baby, both I would like a 30 min bunker rush. They'd have to make a really big map. Or increase build times.
5 minutes to make each scv, scv cost 1k minerals each
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[00:49:35] mrmin123: 'I don't think I can beat him... but because I'm a P and he's a T I feel like I should win.'
lol Best
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On December 26 2009 17:54 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 17:51 mrmin123 wrote:
Some of the post-game interview QA (not word-for-word):
[00:47:05] mrmin123: 'umm i want to do well in the ro8'
[00:47:21] mrmin123: 'wasn't it hard to prepare for this game because its a teammate?'
[00:47:47] mrmin123: 'honestly i coudln't really practice too much because i have proleague tomorrow but i qualified despite not being able to practice too much so I'll try much harder from now on.'
[00:47:55] mrmin123: 'how did yo feel when you got nuked?'
[00:47:57] mrmin123: 'I was amazed.'
[00:48:16] mrmin123: 'That's too short of an answer.'
[00:48:39] mrmin123: 'I looked for that red dot like crazy'
[00:48:56] mrmin123: 'and I thought I would just lose my probes. but then I saw the scives shoot that EMP and I got really really panicked.'
When asked about the possibility(?) of facing Flash:
[00:49:35] mrmin123: 'I don't think I can beat him... but because I'm a P and he's a T I feel like I should win.' Haha if Bogus loses, Guemchi loses, and Flash wins, then Flash plays Best. Ugh.
Or they both win, then Flash and BeSt roll their Ro8 scrubs and meet in semis.
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On December 26 2009 17:52 EvoChamber wrote:
Canata would be a terrific player if another person was in the booth poking him with a stick and reminding him that he can't just sit around.
Maybe he can't practice as much because he can't play as many games per day?
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I don't really know why people are complaining, I enjoyed that game, and I'm not even a fan of PvTs. A bunch of huge 200/200 armies clashing, lots of back and forth action, and even a nuke. It really wasn't just a 30 minute macrofest o.O
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I guess the reason why Best could always produce an army at whim is because he didn't needlessly recall units into slaughter an absurd number of times without doing any damage (see Bisu vs Iris, Anytime vs Really). He's smart, he knew he could ram down Canata's face and take out enough shit to at least break even every time (he always came out ahead, really). But you know.
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On December 26 2009 17:57 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does... 1a2a? shut the fuck up i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t it's not that the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game If not maxed -> macro until maxed If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army, Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter. pvt is the least imbalanced matchup out of pvt tvz and zvp also, you have no idea what you are talking about when terran starts pushing with vessel/tank/gol/vult with good positioning, a moving your army with stasis is suicide that;s why protoss players are forced to recall even if it's not optimal.
Well I guess every single terran progamer in the world is unable to have the good positioning required, so that scenario shouldn't happen too often.
PvT has historically been the least imbalanced yes... I'd say that recently that's changed quite a bit, though.
On December 26 2009 17:58 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does... 1a2a? shut the fuck up i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t it's not that the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game If not maxed -> macro until maxed If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army, Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter. T can definitely beat P before that. P is behind in midgame before arbiter or carrier tech kicks in against a like 90-110 timing push. 2 Factory pushes, etc.
Here I'm assuming that T is going for the fast 3-base style, since the timing push style loses to most P players with good macro and is unreliable. When going for that, it's impossible to prevent the P from getting Arbiters out in time if they rush them as they should.
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Kwanro's face pic looks little bit like Much's
omfg go go go Bogus please , win this !!!!
edit: btw i missed the first game : ( anything interesting happened ?
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 Canata gave  BeSt way too much counter-attack equity that game. He needed to take into account the reverse implied odds of pushing his tanks in
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On December 26 2009 17:57 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does... 1a2a? shut the fuck up i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t it's not that the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game If not maxed -> macro until maxed If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army, Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter. pvt is the least imbalanced matchup out of pvt tvz and zvp
I dunno about that, think about the following three questions:
Who are a couple "good" TvPers?
Who are a couple "good" ZvTers?
Who are a couple "good" PvZers?
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PvT according to shikyo:
only way Terran can beat a Protoss player is 3-3 200/200 army. The game would be balanced if Protoss did not have answer to the Terran 3/3 200/200 army.
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On December 26 2009 17:59 Orbifold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 17:57 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:55 Shikyo wrote:On December 26 2009 17:52 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On December 26 2009 17:49 OneOther wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 Beachac wrote:On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
best's pvt..unbelievable. the things he does... 1a2a? shut the fuck up i tried my best to ignore your posts but damn Yeah, man. It's more like 1a2a3a4a 7t t t t it's not that the hardest part about late game pvt vs 3-3 terran army is the decision making. knowing when to attack, when to recall, when to expand, where to hit. if you make one slip with your army then you lose. best made incredible decisions throughout the game If not maxed -> macro until maxed If maxed -> stasis a load of shit, amove army, Also, the fact that Protoss has an answer againt 3-3 Terran mech at all makes the MU quite imbalanced in my eyes, since that's the only way T should be able to beat a P. P has too huge of an advantage in every single other kind of an encounter. pvt is the least imbalanced matchup out of pvt tvz and zvp I dunno about that, think about the following three questions: Who are a couple "good" TvPers? Who are a couple "good" ZvTers? Who are a couple "good" PvZers?
there is obviously no clear answer but that's what historical and map statistics say. and it's a bettere method than what you are doing
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On December 26 2009 17:48 OneOther wrote:
Who are a couple "good" TvPers?
Who are a couple "good" ZvTers?
Who are a couple "good" PvZers?
fantasy in early 2009
yarnc in early 2009
movie and violet
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EPT
