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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 16 2009 23:41 GMT
#61
On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 06:01 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?


Same. Or this thought that he has better muta micro than JD.

His only 52% v T and his only wins in the last 2 months are against Hwasin, Light, Firebathero and Bogus (light and hwasin are good but this is only 5 games, 2 against FBH, in a long time).
wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro?

Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM.



he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens

ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off

I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
December 16 2009 23:46 GMT
#62
On December 17 2009 08:41 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:
On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 06:01 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?


Same. Or this thought that he has better muta micro than JD.

His only 52% v T and his only wins in the last 2 months are against Hwasin, Light, Firebathero and Bogus (light and hwasin are good but this is only 5 games, 2 against FBH, in a long time).
wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro?

Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM.



he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens

ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off

I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö
Nope...zero is better. Jaedong is more deadly if it gets to the late game though, but only because he usually takes an early game advantage thats more substantial than zero as a result of his micro.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 16 2009 23:47 GMT
#63
On December 17 2009 08:46 yhnmk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 08:41 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:
On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 06:01 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?


Same. Or this thought that he has better muta micro than JD.

His only 52% v T and his only wins in the last 2 months are against Hwasin, Light, Firebathero and Bogus (light and hwasin are good but this is only 5 games, 2 against FBH, in a long time).
wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro?

Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM.



he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens

ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off

I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö
Nope...zero is better. Jaedong is more deadly if it gets to the late game though, but only because he usually takes an early game advantage thats more substantial than zero as a result of his micro.

Actually I believe Jaedong's lategame is better than Zero's, regardless of the early game.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
lyhb
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada208 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 23:53:07
December 16 2009 23:50 GMT
#64
On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?




now you understand? that is an ace match btw


the map is aultimatum (heavy terran favored map) so flash should be favored... if it werent, then it should be 50/50



yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
December 16 2009 23:56 GMT
#65
On December 17 2009 08:47 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 08:46 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:41 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:
On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 06:01 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?


Same. Or this thought that he has better muta micro than JD.

His only 52% v T and his only wins in the last 2 months are against Hwasin, Light, Firebathero and Bogus (light and hwasin are good but this is only 5 games, 2 against FBH, in a long time).
wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro?

Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM.



he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens

ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off

I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö
Nope...zero is better. Jaedong is more deadly if it gets to the late game though, but only because he usually takes an early game advantage thats more substantial than zero as a result of his micro.

Actually I believe Jaedong's lategame is better than Zero's, regardless of the early game.
Well thats cute


lyhb
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada208 Posts
December 16 2009 23:59 GMT
#66
On December 17 2009 08:46 yhnmk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 08:41 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:
On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 06:01 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?


Same. Or this thought that he has better muta micro than JD.

His only 52% v T and his only wins in the last 2 months are against Hwasin, Light, Firebathero and Bogus (light and hwasin are good but this is only 5 games, 2 against FBH, in a long time).
wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro?

Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM.



he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens

ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off

I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö
Nope...zero is better. Jaedong is more deadly if it gets to the late game though, but only because he usually takes an early game advantage thats more substantial than zero as a result of his micro.



zero is like the flash of zergs and very creative as well... he macros like crazy, even more so than best

and jaedong is just very aggressive/extremely efficient...


both guys are a beauty to watch
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-17 00:02:04
December 17 2009 00:00 GMT
#67
Jaedong is the best zerg at everything besides maybe doing gimmicky builds (and even then that's because gimmicky builds are risks he's too good to need) and no one's really done anything impressive enough to deem otherwise.

On December 17 2009 08:59 lyhb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 08:46 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:41 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:
On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 06:01 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?


Same. Or this thought that he has better muta micro than JD.

His only 52% v T and his only wins in the last 2 months are against Hwasin, Light, Firebathero and Bogus (light and hwasin are good but this is only 5 games, 2 against FBH, in a long time).
wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro?

Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM.



he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens

ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off

I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö
Nope...zero is better. Jaedong is more deadly if it gets to the late game though, but only because he usually takes an early game advantage thats more substantial than zero as a result of his micro.



zero is like the flash of zergs and very creative as well... he macros like crazy, even more so than best

and jaedong is just very aggressive/extremely efficient...


both guys are a beauty to watch


Zero plays nothing like Flash. Not even a little bit.

This isn't even some derogatory statement or anything -- I love Zero's and Flash's playstyles, it's just they're not similar in the least.
Remember Violet.
White_Raven
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia178 Posts
December 17 2009 00:02 GMT
#68
God damn Jangbi looks hot in that banner!
Dancing queeeeen, feel the meat of his med/marines oh yeahhhhhh
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
December 17 2009 00:04 GMT
#69
On December 17 2009 09:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Jaedong is the best zerg at everything besides maybe doing gimmicky builds (and even then that's because gimmicky builds are risks he's too good to need) and no one's really done anything impressive enough to deem otherwise.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/10222_free_vs_Jaedong
Moderator。◕‿◕。
lyhb
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada208 Posts
December 17 2009 00:10 GMT
#70
On December 17 2009 09:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Jaedong is the best zerg at everything besides maybe doing gimmicky builds (and even then that's because gimmicky builds are risks he's too good to need) and no one's really done anything impressive enough to deem otherwise.

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 08:59 lyhb wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:46 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:41 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:
On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 06:01 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?


Same. Or this thought that he has better muta micro than JD.

His only 52% v T and his only wins in the last 2 months are against Hwasin, Light, Firebathero and Bogus (light and hwasin are good but this is only 5 games, 2 against FBH, in a long time).
wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro?

Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM.



he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens

ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off

I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö
Nope...zero is better. Jaedong is more deadly if it gets to the late game though, but only because he usually takes an early game advantage thats more substantial than zero as a result of his micro.



zero is like the flash of zergs and very creative as well... he macros like crazy, even more so than best

and jaedong is just very aggressive/extremely efficient...


both guys are a beauty to watch


Zero plays nothing like Flash. Not even a little bit.

This isn't even some derogatory statement or anything -- I love Zero's and Flash's playstyles, it's just they're not similar in the least.



i did not mean play style wise, more in general terms

like their height/look/hair/demeanor etc... and both very solid/scary game play... or is it just me :d
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-17 00:34:43
December 17 2009 00:27 GMT
#71
Scary maybe but then every top player is like that. Zero plays a very creative and brash style, whereas Flash, while very showy with his micro, is the exact opposite of brash and gimmicky.

I don't think they look alike and I'm pretty sure Flash is a lot taller. :x
Remember Violet.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-17 01:30:53
December 17 2009 01:28 GMT
#72
On December 17 2009 08:56 yhnmk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 08:47 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:46 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:41 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:
On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 06:01 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?


Same. Or this thought that he has better muta micro than JD.

His only 52% v T and his only wins in the last 2 months are against Hwasin, Light, Firebathero and Bogus (light and hwasin are good but this is only 5 games, 2 against FBH, in a long time).
wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro?

Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM.



he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens

ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off

I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö
Nope...zero is better. Jaedong is more deadly if it gets to the late game though, but only because he usually takes an early game advantage thats more substantial than zero as a result of his micro.

Actually I believe Jaedong's lategame is better than Zero's, regardless of the early game.
Well thats cute




About as cute as you pulling out blanket statements about a "streaky" zerg (as you put it), who has won nothing with his 52% overall win percentage, being better in any aspect of the game than the best zerg player of all time.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
December 17 2009 01:48 GMT
#73
On December 17 2009 07:47 Nevuk wrote:

The whole thing about Zero and Flash, doesn't it have its roots in Ggplay and Flash's relationship with him?
Yeah, look at this :
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=167&part=games&vs=424&league=any&map=any&from_year=2000&from_month=10&from_day=9&to_year=2009&to_month=7&to_day=11&action=Update

Ggplay knocked Flash out of 2 SLs and Flash never beat him in a series. GGplay was Zero's mentor and they have a similar style, although Zero is without a doubt more well-rounded.


Flash definitely deserved getting kicked out of Daum (?). The little bastard went 14CC twice and threw two games away.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66365 Posts
December 17 2009 01:50 GMT
#74
Sadly I won't be streaming today because I'm going to watch Avatar 3D @_@

GO BEST!
POGGERS
yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
December 17 2009 01:53 GMT
#75
On December 17 2009 10:28 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 08:56 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:47 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:46 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:41 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:
On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 06:01 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?


Same. Or this thought that he has better muta micro than JD.

His only 52% v T and his only wins in the last 2 months are against Hwasin, Light, Firebathero and Bogus (light and hwasin are good but this is only 5 games, 2 against FBH, in a long time).
wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro?

Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM.



he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens

ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off

I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö
Nope...zero is better. Jaedong is more deadly if it gets to the late game though, but only because he usually takes an early game advantage thats more substantial than zero as a result of his micro.

Actually I believe Jaedong's lategame is better than Zero's, regardless of the early game.
Well thats cute




About as cute as you pulling out blanket statements about a "streaky" zerg (as you put it), who has won nothing with his 52% overall win percentage, being better in any aspect of the game than the best zerg player of all time.
"blah blah im an idiot fanboy who has no capacity to watch games and look at the quality of play detached from my love for the players."

srsly get a grip and stop citing statistics and stupid mantra of "greatest of ALL time!"


nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
December 17 2009 01:59 GMT
#76
SKT has been doing so poorly recently, 3 consecutive losses in SPL, both of their aces got eliminated from individual leagues, and now to add salt to the pain, they HAVE to make it so that the remaining two SKT players face one another in their last hope for individual title.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 17 2009 02:09 GMT
#77
On December 17 2009 10:53 yhnmk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2009 10:28 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:56 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:47 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:46 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:41 Shikyo wrote:
On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:
On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:
On December 17 2009 06:01 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?


Same. Or this thought that he has better muta micro than JD.

His only 52% v T and his only wins in the last 2 months are against Hwasin, Light, Firebathero and Bogus (light and hwasin are good but this is only 5 games, 2 against FBH, in a long time).
wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro?

Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM.



he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens

ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off

I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö
Nope...zero is better. Jaedong is more deadly if it gets to the late game though, but only because he usually takes an early game advantage thats more substantial than zero as a result of his micro.

Actually I believe Jaedong's lategame is better than Zero's, regardless of the early game.
Well thats cute




About as cute as you pulling out blanket statements about a "streaky" zerg (as you put it), who has won nothing with his 52% overall win percentage, being better in any aspect of the game than the best zerg player of all time.
"blah blah im an idiot fanboy who has no capacity to watch games and look at the quality of play detached from my love for the players."

srsly get a grip and stop citing statistics and stupid mantra of "greatest of ALL time!"




If it's a battle between fanbois than i'm confident Jaedong's corner will hold more weight than Zeros. As if we don't rely on stats every single night and as if JD isn't the greatest zerg ever .
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
December 17 2009 02:22 GMT
#78
Man I can't wait for flash v zero! Maybe Jaedong can get a peak at what he is about to face and possible help even out the fact that flash only has to practice tvz for the leagues.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
December 17 2009 02:24 GMT
#79
Man I am so nervous. If Flash 14CCs/skimps on turrets and loses, I'm going to rage so hard.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
December 17 2009 02:25 GMT
#80
On December 17 2009 08:50 lyhb wrote:
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On December 17 2009 04:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't understand why people think Zero has a big chance v Flash.. what games did he play v Terran that are making people give him close to 50/50 v Flash?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNfD_-IuQm8

now you understand? that is an ace match btw


the map is aultimatum (heavy terran favored map) so flash should be favored... if it werent, then it should be 50/50


The Flash we know today and the Flash of that time are quite different. His TvZ has improved a ridiculous amount since then. I really don't understand how anyone can say Zero is 50/50 with Flash in their current forms.

I'm not sure if you have been keeping up with all of Flash's games but he plays near perfect in all recent TvZs. The loss to Hyun was the result of a simple early game mistake and something I doubt will happen again. His anti-muta micro is rivaled by none and his late game macro takes TvZ to a whole new level.

Zero has been playing really well but to say he is on par with the hottest player right now is pretty crazy. This isn't to say that Zero has no chance at all but I'd say flash is favored 65/35.

Also I'd have to say Effort is the #2 zerg still. His statistics for the most recent games aren't great but his overall play is still very strong.

Lastly Jaedong is the best late game zerg. I would have to say Jaedong and Zero have similar macro skills but Jaedong has better multitask and Zero better defense. In ZvT the multitask seems more useful
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