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zero vT in 2009: 13-10
Hwasin: 2-0
Light: 1-2
FBH: 2-0
Bogus: 1-0
Leta: 0-4
skyhigh: 2-0
go.go: 1-0
Minam: 2-1
Baby: 1-0
Lomo: 1-0
oov: 0-1
fantasy: 1-0
Iris: 0-1
Justin: 0-1
the blizzcon game was super fun but he's not exactly ZvT bonjwa
btw flash vZ in 2009: 36-9
Hyun: 1-1
type-b: 1-0
hyvaa: 2-0
savior: 2-0
Saint: 1-0
Yarnc: 2-1
Kwanro: 3-2
Hogil: 2-0
hero: 1-0
effort: 3-1
JwaJa: 2-0
thezerg: 1-0
July: 3-0
Calm: 0-1
Jaedong: 2-2
RoRo: 1-0
Shine: 1-0
HoeJJa: 2-0
Gorush: 1-0
Hyuk: 2-0
Crazy-Hydra: 1-0
Oversky: 0-1
magma: 2-0
and jaedong vT in 2009 is something like 37-19
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On December 17 2009 11:09 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2009 10:53 yhnmk wrote:On December 17 2009 10:28 On_Slaught wrote:On December 17 2009 08:56 yhnmk wrote:On December 17 2009 08:47 Shikyo wrote:On December 17 2009 08:46 yhnmk wrote:On December 17 2009 08:41 Shikyo wrote:On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:On December 17 2009 06:01 On_Slaught wrote:
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Same. Or this thought that he has better muta micro than JD.
His only 52% v T and his only wins in the last 2 months are against Hwasin, Light, Firebathero and Bogus (light and hwasin are good but this is only 5 games, 2 against FBH, in a long time). wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro? Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM. he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö Nope...zero is better. Jaedong is more deadly if it gets to the late game though, but only because he usually takes an early game advantage thats more substantial than zero as a result of his micro. Actually I believe Jaedong's lategame is better than Zero's, regardless of the early game. Well thats cute   About as cute as you pulling out blanket statements about a "streaky" zerg (as you put it), who has won nothing with his 52% overall win percentage, being better in any aspect of the game than the best zerg player of all time. "blah blah im an idiot fanboy who has no capacity to watch games and look at the quality of play detached from my love for the players." srsly get a grip and stop citing statistics and stupid mantra of "greatest of ALL time!" If it's a battle between fanbois than i'm confident Jaedong's corner will hold more weight than Zeros. As if we don't rely on stats every single night and as if JD isn't the greatest zerg ever . Its not a battle between fanboys. It is always a battle between the rational, objective human, against the irrational and deluded human. I have no issue with anyone who disagrees with me that Zero is a better macro zerg than Jaedong, I have every issue with an idiot. Understand? You don't measure the quality or potential quality of someones game by stats, unless you are an idiot, nor do you fall back on career accomplishments. And no, JD is the most accomplished zerg ever [he is afterall, the 2nd most accomplished player as a whole], but that has no relevance, hence my disregard for it and the poster as a whole.
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Its not a battle between fanboys. It is always a battle between the rational, objective human, against the irrational and deluded human. I have no issue with anyone who disagrees with me that Zero is a better macro zerg than Jaedong, I have every issue with an idiot. Understand? You don't measure the quality or potential quality of someones game by stats, unless you are an idiot, nor do you fall back on career accomplishments. And no, JD is the most accomplished zerg ever [he is afterall, the 2nd most accomplished player as a whole], but that has no relevance, hence my disregard for it and the poster as a whole.
i am pretty sure there is no single terran with a winning record against jaedong in 2009. a few are tied or close to it like flash, fantasy, light, and skyhigh
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On December 17 2009 11:49 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote + Its not a battle between fanboys. It is always a battle between the rational, objective human, against the irrational and deluded human. I have no issue with anyone who disagrees with me that Zero is a better macro zerg than Jaedong, I have every issue with an idiot. Understand? You don't measure the quality or potential quality of someones game by stats, unless you are an idiot, nor do you fall back on career accomplishments. And no, JD is the most accomplished zerg ever [he is afterall, the 2nd most accomplished player as a whole], but that has no relevance, hence my disregard for it and the poster as a whole.
i am pretty sure there is no single terran with a winning record against jaedong in 2009. a few are tied or close to it like flash, fantasy, light, and skyhigh Aaaaaaaaaaand? Were talking about late game macro zvt as of this very moment, not zvt as a whole, not the entire year, this fucking second only in the specifics of late game management. Stats show NOTHING whatsoever on this. Do NOT bring them up because it only highlights your ignorance and laziness. If you want to argue rather than just disagree, look over their games, come back and make a point by point dissection on how jaedong's management is surperior to zero's in the late game. If you are not willing to do that [and im not], then this conversation cant really come down to anything more conclusive other than "I believe xyz is better in late game zvt, though they are both spectacular"
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On December 17 2009 11:51 yhnmk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2009 11:49 o[twist] wrote: Its not a battle between fanboys. It is always a battle between the rational, objective human, against the irrational and deluded human. I have no issue with anyone who disagrees with me that Zero is a better macro zerg than Jaedong, I have every issue with an idiot. Understand? You don't measure the quality or potential quality of someones game by stats, unless you are an idiot, nor do you fall back on career accomplishments. And no, JD is the most accomplished zerg ever [he is afterall, the 2nd most accomplished player as a whole], but that has no relevance, hence my disregard for it and the poster as a whole.
i am pretty sure there is no single terran with a winning record against jaedong in 2009. a few are tied or close to it like flash, fantasy, light, and skyhigh Aaaaaaaaaaand?
can you point to some games to show the difference in management style between zero and jaedong
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On December 17 2009 11:44 o[twist] wrote:
zero vT in 2009:
Leta: 0-4
Leta's good but good grief...he can beat the Red Sniper 2-0 but rolls over and dies the minute he meets Leta.
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On December 17 2009 11:54 Womwomwom wrote:Leta's good but good grief...he can beat the Red Sniper 2-0 but rolls over and dies the minute he meets Leta.
not sure it's really statistically meaningful but yea i was surprised
worth noting: in 2009 flash has played around twice as many TvZs as zero has played ZvTs yet has lost one fewer
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On December 17 2009 11:45 yhnmk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2009 11:09 On_Slaught wrote:On December 17 2009 10:53 yhnmk wrote:On December 17 2009 10:28 On_Slaught wrote:On December 17 2009 08:56 yhnmk wrote:On December 17 2009 08:47 Shikyo wrote:On December 17 2009 08:46 yhnmk wrote:On December 17 2009 08:41 Shikyo wrote:On December 17 2009 08:20 lyhb wrote:On December 17 2009 07:57 yhnmk wrote:
[quote] wtf? do you know nothing of zero's streakiness and past suckiness [hence the bad record] ? Do you know nothing of his amazing macro, late game play, etc? And have you seriously never watched a single on of his games, which would easily confirm the reality of his amazing muta micro?
Jesus christ, anyone who thinks Zero isnt a serious threat to flash is deluded, and im a huge fan of Flash. Zero is probably the 2nd best zerg ATM.
he imo is the second best zerg and probably better than jaedong in zvp and mid/late macro/management. he is very creative as well and known for his queens ultimatum is a very terran favored map but i think if zero tries to be creative and use unorthodox strategies like queens... he might be able to pull it off I actually disagree, I believe Jaedong is the best management-style Zerg in existence. And he doesn't even play management-style. :Ö Nope...zero is better. Jaedong is more deadly if it gets to the late game though, but only because he usually takes an early game advantage thats more substantial than zero as a result of his micro. Actually I believe Jaedong's lategame is better than Zero's, regardless of the early game. Well thats cute About as cute as you pulling out blanket statements about a "streaky" zerg (as you put it), who has won nothing with his 52% overall win percentage, being better in any aspect of the game than the best zerg player of all time. "blah blah im an idiot fanboy who has no capacity to watch games and look at the quality of play detached from my love for the players." srsly get a grip and stop citing statistics and stupid mantra of "greatest of ALL time!" If it's a battle between fanbois than i'm confident Jaedong's corner will hold more weight than Zeros. As if we don't rely on stats every single night and as if JD isn't the greatest zerg ever . Its not a battle between fanboys. It is always a battle between the rational, objective human, against the irrational and deluded human. I have no issue with anyone who disagrees with me that Zero is a better macro zerg than Jaedong, I have every issue with an idiot. Understand? You don't measure the quality or potential quality of someones game by stats, unless you are an idiot, nor do you fall back on career accomplishments. And no, JD is the most accomplished zerg ever [he is afterall, the 2nd most accomplished player as a whole], but that has no relevance, hence my disregard for it and the poster as a whole.
Wtf? This is exactly how the hype of a game or player is measured or presented in any sport or the strength of a business. This is the kind of thing people look at when they decide to hire you. Past statistics and accomplishments, thats how every rational being does judging of the potential of anything and predictions for the future of the judged.
Wtf do you base your judgments on for the potential of a player?? Zero's management "looks" better than Jaedong on a VOD therefore it has to be(I'm not saying it is or isn't)??? Dont call other people idiots when you made such a ridiculous statement.
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Better than Jaedong in lategame management......
Laughable.
There is no one better at Jaedong at anything. Early, mid, or lategame.
Same with Flash. No terran out there is better than flash at anything. Sorry, Fantasy's mech crap doesn't count since it is now obsolete.
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zero is not as good as JD.. just the way it is.
but flash is gonna roll him regardless
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Stop saying that Flash will roll Jaedong! They both have equally the same chance of beating each other.
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To say that no one is better than Jaedong at anything is ridiculous. Players like Jaedong and Flash are special because they are good at everything, handle pressure well, and have that killer instinct.
Zero has better defense and is a better strategist than Jaedong, while Jaedong is the better aggressor and has that killer instinct. Flash hopefully will not underestimate Zero because this series is closer to 51-49.
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On December 17 2009 12:56 gemini24 wrote:
To say that no one is better than Jaedong at anything is ridiculous. Players like Jaedong and Flash are special because they are good at everything, handle pressure well, and have that killer instinct.
Zero has better defense and is a better strategist than Jaedong, while Jaedong is the better aggressor and has that killer instinct. Flash hopefully will not underestimate Zero because this series is closer to 51-49.
yeah zero's defensive line has been superior ever since jaedong's lurker pulled that groin muscle. wtf
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Hope FireFist and Flash wins so we could lose these ZvZ finals.
BEST VS FLASH FINALS!!!
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On December 17 2009 13:18 Disregard wrote:
Hope FireFist and Flash wins so we could lose these ZvZ finals.
BEST VS FLASH FINALS!!!
I love how you disregard firefist advancing to the finals if the impossible happens and he bests Jaedong.
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Don't underestimate Firefist's ZvZ. He's got a better record against Effort than Jaeodng does, I believe! Guy's legit.
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On December 17 2009 13:36 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Don't underestimate Firefist's ZvZ. He's got a better record against Effort than Jaeodng does, I believe! Guy's legit.
Discounting GOM, Effort is 1-6 versus Jaedong while he's 0-4 versus Firefist.
Man, I hope JvZ happens tonight. Jaedong winning a ZvZ isn't quite meaningful unless he does it with a build order disadvantage.
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I'm just hoping Jaedong and Flash pull through. Other than that, I'm pretty neutral on who else advances~
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Go Firefist, Stats, Zero, and Best!
I'm really hoping Zero wins, but I'll get over it if he loses.
I still think that splitting BoX series like this sucks. That goes for the OSL Ro8, too.
Lee Jae Dong has been on top for too long, too. It's time for some Kim Jae Choooon!
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Leta is Zero's personal nemesis or something.
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