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[AUS] State Seeding Tourneys - Page 8
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Hacksaw11
Australia359 Posts
Be afraid, be very afraid. Dont know what to do? Learn. | ||
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pre_amp
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Choros
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Camlito
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On November 10 2009 12:26 Stuyvesant wrote: you'll never know what is coming. Be afraid, be very afraid. Dont know what to do? Learn. That's pretty... contradicting? the way you put it- You will never know what is coming, be afraid. Learn what is coming (?? you will never know what is coming?) | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8093 Posts
On November 09 2009 20:19 RowdierBob wrote: I'm yet to hear a good argument for disallowing random but we've already had this argument so meh. Its a great disadvantage for the player not playing random, if im zerg i have to do a general build that i thinks good against 3 races, e.g 9 pool speed but if he's terran and blocks that im fucked due to him being random, there are a whole lot of situations like this that can arise from someone playing random and the majority of people dont want to have to deal with it imo man up and pick a race | ||
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Lurgee
Australia252 Posts
On November 10 2009 15:43 Camlito wrote: That's pretty... contradicting? the way you put it- You will never know what is coming, be afraid. Learn what is coming (?? you will never know what is coming?) I think he was referring to learning how to react to it. | ||
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Camlito
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You can learn for anything. I'd rather learn to get to C+ then learn to beat crappy d+ randoms | ||
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potchip
Australia260 Posts
I don't think everyone here is A+ programer level where specialized BO will lead to auto win or loss, though some of the proponents of non-random appears to believe so, perhaps they are just that good, able to press home the BO advantage for an auto win HAD they randomed, oh wait... Those in favor of banning random are assuming, the advantage of the extra information/forcing generic BO/forced early scout is more than the disadvantage of needing a reasonable idea for 6 matchups. I would estimate random players will lack in late game management in some races. It is all the more important for the non-randomer to play safe then, as game progresses, the skill advantage grows. | ||
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Z.Kw
China297 Posts
On November 10 2009 15:44 Scaramanga wrote: Its a great disadvantage for the player not playing random, if im zerg i have to do a general build that i thinks good against 3 races, e.g 9 pool speed but if he's terran and blocks that im fucked due to him being random, there are a whole lot of situations like this that can arise from someone playing random and the majority of people dont want to have to deal with it imo man up and pick a race how bout you "man up" and deal with it | ||
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Smace
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On November 10 2009 15:44 Scaramanga wrote: Its a great disadvantage for the player not playing random, if im zerg i have to do a general build that i thinks good against 3 races, e.g 9 pool speed but if he's terran and blocks that im fucked due to him being random, there are a whole lot of situations like this that can arise from someone playing random and the majority of people dont want to have to deal with it imo man up and pick a race you just blew up my irony meter | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On November 10 2009 17:17 Smace wrote: How about some middle ground here, allow random but make it compulsory to announce your race at the beginning of each game? I dunno, just a thought. I love doing that if i can't decide a race, but random is picked so they can fuck with the opponent early game, so that would defeat it. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13430 Posts
I mean seriously, scout early, play safe and learn more than just one build.. You'd think everyone has become so regimented by build orders they don't know how to actually play BW anymore but rather only execute build orders they've seen pros do. Massive =/ | ||
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FrZ_au
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Scaramanga
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:\, theres a reason that the rules now state its fine if the OPPONENT WANTS RANDOM, in dont want that shit so bad luck for anyone that plays random | ||
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Marine50
Australia1764 Posts
Also people might not want to start off with 9 pools or 1 factory vulture builds just in case their scout goes the wrong direction or they get cheesed without even knowing the MU. and in the essence of pro gaming PL matches we should have both players preparing for a specific MU to make the games better quality | ||
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SoMuchBetter
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On November 10 2009 19:12 RowdierBob wrote: You'd think everyone has become so regimented by build orders they don't know how to actually play BW anymore but rather only execute build orders they've seen pros do. its sad but i think this may be true. "back in my day" you'd be laughed out of a tournament if you complained about someone playing random. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13430 Posts
On November 10 2009 19:54 Marine50 wrote: My problem with random is I want to know what match up I am playing so I can practice how to counter differently builds that I scout for 1 MU, not 3. Also people might not want to start off with 9 pools or 1 factory vulture builds just in case their scout goes the wrong direction or they get cheesed without even knowing the MU. This pretty much sums up my point perfectly. You take people out of their comfort zone and they go to water. As I said, playing v random is like playing a "fourth" race and you need to adjust your game accordingly. We may as well just make it NR20 and come to the middle and fight with our 200/200 armies. | ||
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Marine50
Australia1764 Posts
On November 10 2009 20:41 RowdierBob wrote: This pretty much sums up my point perfectly. You take people out of their comfort zone and they go to water. Wanting to know the race you are against before hand is perfectly reasonable. On November 10 2009 20:41 RowdierBob wrote: We may as well just make it NR20 and come to the middle and fight with our 200/200 armies. I can't tell if your being serious or not. Not wanting to play against random is in no way the same as the above. They are in completely different ballparks | ||
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Camlito
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