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Seeding Tournaments for the State Teams this weekend
Find below the information regarding the SEEDING TOURNAMENTS for the State of Origin StarCraft competition. These tournaments are optional and non-compulsory if you don't wish to participate, but they give you a chance to meet your State Team members and give you a rank within your state. The brackets are to be completed over 2 weeks from this coming weekend but I will be hosting on iCCup or BA or w/e organised times to meet and get some games done if you want, instead of having to contact one and other and decide on a time.
Note that this weekend is a 'scheduled' time to meet up and play, just to help people get in contact with players and get clear on the rules or whatever buy you can play the games at your leisure. The first round must be done by the end of next week. You can start now if you want, I will not change the brackets further.
NOTE WELL: This means that although there is a time scheduled for this weekend, you can start playing these games NOW if you like, and send the replays along to my email, iccup.del@gmail.com. The time this weekend is just so people have a set date to meet up so it might be a little more organised.
TEAM CAPTAINS will be decided from this tournament, so if you want to apply to be team captain (the team captain organises game times and keeps track of player progress, such that an underperformer in the A-team may be demoted and replaced with a top B-team player) you should participate. Captaincy will go to the highest seeded player who is interested in captaining, and also who gets confirmation from myself and the other advisors/managers of the competition - in other words, if we have a very good reason for someone else to be captain then we may ask what the rest of the team thinks.
- Date: Sunday the 8th of November
- Time: 5:30PM AEDT (Syd, Vic, Tas, ACT) // 4:30PM AEST (Bris)
- Players: State team members only
- Location: iCCup server, channel "TeamAus" on iCCup, or BA/Bnet with chaos launcher
- Structure: Double Elimination (Bo3 upper bracket, BO1 lower bracket, Bo5 Finals).
- Admins: iCCup.dEL, PureKnight, Pred_au // dAncerS, X-LoSt assistants
Time:
ACT 5:30PM Sunday 8th Nov. (AEDT)
NSW 5:30PM Sunday 8th Nov. (AEDT)
NT 4:00PM Sunday 8th Nov. (ACST)
QLD 4:30PM Sunday 8th Nov. (AEST)
SA 5:00PM Sunday 8th Nov. (ACDT)
TAS 5:30PM Sunday 8th Nov. (AEDT)
VIC 5:30PM Sunday 8th Nov. (AEDT)
WA 2:30PM Sunday 8th Nov. (AWST)
- Australian residents only - flag/IP check required for signup
- Observers allowed upon agreement from both players.
- iCCup AntiHack Launcher must be used if played on iCCup server.
- The maps will be destination for the first game, and then loser picks from the map pool below.
- Random is allowed on opponent's consent.
- Choosing race for a specific matchup is allowed. For mutually exclusive matchups both players must use their 'main' race as detailed in the player list (if random, choose one prior to starting the game).
Contact your opponent and organise a time to play that you both agree with. Update the brackets or contact me to update them on the binarybeast website. I will be making a list of contacts and playing times for those who wish to disclose them.
Map Pool
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+ Show Spoiler [Maps] +1v1 - 16 maps
Fighting Spirit
Match Point
Outsider SE 2.0
Heartbreak Ridge 1.2
Destination 1.1
Neo Medusa 2.1
Andromeda
Carthage 2.0
Colosseum II
Byzantium III
Blue Storm
Othello
Wuthering Heights
Tau Cross
Ride of Valkyries
Nostalgia
2v2 - 10 maps
Python
Arcadia 2
Gaia
Byzantium III
Colosseum II
Othello
God's Garden
Reverse Temple
Nostalgia
Vampire
The brackets are on BinaryBeast:
VIC Tourney Brackets
SAWA Tourney Brackets
QLDNT Tourney Brackets
NSWACT Tourney Brackets
+ Show Spoiler [RESULTS] +RESULTS + Show Spoiler [VIC] +Group 1
KarnivooL - BYE
deconduo w/o hided))
KarnivooL w/o hided))
Group 2
PerfectHydra - BYE
SexyPlay vs. -jupiter- not yet played
Group 3
sMbK - BYE
Backlash - BYE
sMbK - Backlash not yet played
Group 4
TheShinyFace - BYE
playahz - BYE
TheShinyFace 0-2 playahz
Group 5
Pred_au - BYE
BookTwo w/o Esc-dosile
Pred_au w/o Esc-dosile
Group 6
vst.pinder - BYE
FrZ 2-0 SilentNoodle
FrZ 2-0 vst.pinder
Group 7
hwru - BYE
Moneybags - BYE
hwru vs. Moneybags not yet played
Group 8
dAncerS - BYE
ttSeason - BYE
dAncerS vs. ttSeason not yet played
Group 10
Pred_au 2-1 FrZ Group 1
-iNcoGNiTo- - BYE
ThugztA[AutO] w/o chogoling
-iNcoGNitO- 2-0 ThugztA[AutO]
Group 2
PandaSauruS_au - BYE
EviL.Wm w/o ZPo
PandaSauruS_au 2-0 EviL.Wm
Group 3
fadetowhite - BYE
Marine50 2-1 hisense_teevee
fadetowhite vs. Marine50 to be played
Group 4X-Aki w/o Zoroastra
Peanutter w/o Sotanath
X-Aki 2-1 Peanutter Group 1
G4i.Etude - BYE
prOxi.NapE w/o ItsPaul
G4i.Etude 2-0 prOxi.NapE
Group 2
prestokang - BYE
Touchmyzerg - BYE
Prestokang 2-0 Touchmyzerg
Group 3
risingstar - BYE
X-LoSt w/o ]naifu
risingstar w/o X-LoSt
Group 4
Final[PaiN] - BYE
SeMu - BYE
Final[PaiN] 2-0 SeMu
SemiFinals
G4i.Etude 2-0 prestokang
risingstar 2-0 Final[PaiN]
UB Finals
G4i.Etude 3-2 risingstar Group 1
X-EdgE - BYE
Siefu w/o Fen
X-EdgE vs. Siefu to be played
Group 2
Smacey - BYE
miomoemaid vs. ecONI to be played
Group 3
blackbelt - BYE
Artanis_au w/o deth-
blackbelt 2-0 Artanis_au
Group 4
Su)FighT - BYE
Koven vs. PeaVey[AutO] to be played TO BE PLAYED: + Show Spoiler [VIC] +Group 9
KarnivooL vs. Winner Group 2
Group 10
Winner Group 3 vs. Winner Group 4
Group 12
Winner Group 7 vs. Winner Group 8 SemiFinal 1
-iNcoGNitO- vs. Winner Group 2
SemiFinal 2
Winner Group 3 vs. X-Aki SemiFinal 1
Winner Group 1 vs. Winner Group 2
SemiFinal 2
blackbelt vs. Winner Group 4 LOWER BRACKET: + Show Spoiler [VIC] +Game 3
TheShinyFace vs. SilentNoodle Game 1
Zoroastra vs. Sotanath
Game 3
ZPo vs. Peanutter
Game 4
ThugztA[AutO] vs. hisense_teevee Game 1
prOxi.NapE vs. ]naifu
Touchmyzerg vs. Winner
Final[PaiN] vs. Winner 2
Game 2
X-LoSt vs. ItsPaul
SeMu vs. Winner
prestokang vs. Winner 2
If you want your contacts added, PM me, post here or otherwise contact me to get them added!
+ Show Spoiler [NSWACT] +iCCup.dEL - iCCup.Del on iCCup, iCCup.deL on TeamLiquid
Marine50 - Marine50 on iCCup, Marine50 on TeamLiquid
Z.Kw - X-Aki or Z.Kw on iCCup, X-DKNY on USWest, Z.Kw on TeamLiquid
Zoroastra - Zoroastra on iCCup, Choros on TeamLiquid
+ Show Spoiler [QLDNT] +
+ Show Spoiler [SAWA] +Siefu - Siefu on iCCup, Siefu on TeamLiquid
+ Show Spoiler [VICTAS] +X-ToRpiD - hwru on iCCup, Lurgee on TeamLiquid
KarnivooL - iLu.KarnivooL on iCCup, Raiju on TeamLiquid, Voices on TeamAus
SilentNoodle - SilentNoodle on iCCup, SilentNoodle on TeamLiquid
playahz - playahz on iCCup, pre_amp on TL
Relevant Links
iCCup.com
StarCraft NZ
Team Australia
Binary Beast
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Marine50 on Iccup and TeamLiquid
edit: NSW team
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Also if you want you can PM me your email/MSN and I will keep a record of contacts, but while keeping the emails confidential if you want.
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So we can play these games whenever? It doesn't have to be November 1st?
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Are the games at all flexible? I'm attending a wedding on Sunday and am pretty much out of action all day.
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Yeah flexible - you can start now if you want, sunday is just a scheduled meet-up!
Both players send results or just one send it with reps!
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
Can I forfeit my games? I'm in my exam period atm, and even if i found the time to play the first round, i'm pretty sure i'm not gonna have time to play any rounds after that.
It'd be pretty douchie if I passed the first round only to no show afterwards.
The relevant match is Suttal.tea(me) vs BookTwo.
At least this way he gets to start preparing for the next match.
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Sure you can forfeit, but all you need is time for like 2-3 games at any time if your opponent agrees. Over the next 3 weeks the tourney is open, are you sure you can't fit in time for any games there?
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
I could probably fit a few games in, but it would be so unpredictable. Plus the time it would take to learn maps I'm not particularly familiar with makes it a bit more of a burden than I'm willing to spend atm :D
I think it's just easier for everyone involved if I they didn't have to deal with someone who only might show up at unpredictable times, and may quietly disappear off the face of the internet for weeks on end at the drop of a pin :D
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cool, an aus tournament? great idea 
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I dunno if torp even visits TL? He is hwru on iCCup though.
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SilentNoodle on tl and iccup
team: vic :D
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Please forfeit me as well, im not touching starcraft until exams are done
Fen vs Siefu
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X-Aki (mostly on this) / Z.Kw (the rare occasional log-on) @ iCCup, X-DKNY @ USWest msg me whenever.
Del if you need replacements I have some people that might be interested in playing.
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On October 27 2009 18:58 Z.Kw wrote:
X-Aki (mostly on this) / Z.Kw (the rare occasional log-on) @ iCCup, X-DKNY @ USWest msg me whenever.
Del if you need replacements I have some people that might be interested in playing.
Oh god, what replacements..
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Sure send them along, they won't replace people but if they wanna play they can as teams aren't finalised.
What states do they come from and what level of play are they at? (like A- or B-team material?)
Just add their contacts here if they confirm and maybe they can start off in the loser's bracket or something. :3
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On October 27 2009 18:58 Z.Kw wrote:
X-Aki (mostly on this) / Z.Kw (the rare occasional log-on) @ iCCup, X-DKNY @ USWest msg me whenever.
Del if you need replacements I have some people that might be interested in playing.
Yeeeeeeeah, maybe not
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Well... there's mixed reactions to having replacements / more players (like 3 more) so I won't get them unless people agree.
I really don't see the problem with it.. but whatever floats your boat.
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I don't know what people are talking about when they are complaining about replacements? The more the merrier.
However, prefer if they are not international players who are only in Aus for a limited amount of time (e.g. just for senior years at high school or something), as this is intended to build a community as well as give us something to play.
If they are bm or whatever I am willing to give them a chance at least.
Not sure why people don't want you to get more people to join in?
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I didn't complain, i just wanna know the replacements because kevs friends can be a bit "silly". So you are pretty much saying "i don't know what marine50 is talking about when he is complaining about replacements"
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Yeah I was referring to Marine50's comment.
If they are BM or have attitude problems then it will be sorted out, but they are free to enter and play their games. I won't tolerate arguments, BM and other things between teams, between teammates or in game though of course some friendly banter and trashtalk is OK as long as it is not overly offensive.
BTW - replacing Hall of Valhalla with Nostalgia in the map pool, I don't think anyone will disagree.
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On October 27 2009 20:43 iCCup.deL wrote:
I don't know what people are talking about when they are complaining about replacements?
I see no complaining.
I was using friendly sarcasm and hesitance of z.Kws friends being A+/A also
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z.Kw doesn't actually have friends, i just remembered.
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They're like D / D+ / C-, since it's an Australian tourney I just want them to have a go since it's all for fun anyway.
So it's ok to add them?
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Oh OK Marine, completely misinterpreted! Thought you just thought his friends would be of an unsavoury type!
Z.Kw feel free to add me to MSN if you wanna talk about anything, I will send you my address. Also that way you can claim that you have at least 1 friend to Cam 
Edit: whoops, typo!
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On October 27 2009 21:34 Z.Kw wrote:
They're like D / D+ / C-, since it's an Australian tourney I just want them to have a go since it's all for fun anyway.
So it's ok to add them?
You have my Seal of Approval good sir!
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On October 27 2009 21:40 Marine50 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2009 21:34 Z.Kw wrote:
They're like D / D+ / C-, since it's an Australian tourney I just want them to have a go since it's all for fun anyway.
So it's ok to add them? You have my Seal of Approval good sir!
awesome~ :d
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Well technically applications haven't closed but I can place your blokes in the tourney in place of the forfeited guys who can't make the seeding tour if you like.
Although I'd prefer to ask the guys if they are sure, cos in my incoherent babbling I think people missed that you can play these tourney games at your own leisure!
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Well instead of replacing the forfeited there are some empty slots that they could fit into, if they can't i'm sure they'd understand if you put them in the loser bracket.
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So am I right in presuming that if a team has more players than is required for a A + B team, the players will rotate each match? If so how will the players be divided. For example the NSW/ACT team has 15 players in the seeding tourney and if we need 6 to play in the A team (4 1v1s and 1 2v2) will the remaining 9 be in the B team and rotate each match? Or can the A team gain another person for rotating purpose and the B team has only 8?
I'm just not sure how the players will be distributed.
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A team has 4-6 players, with 6 being ideal if you want two dedicated 2v2 players or a couple backups for no-shows. There could also be B-team backups I guess if not being able to make the time is a problem after the first week.
B-teams have 4-8 players so in the case of 9 people in the B-team we could do one of 4 and one of 5 people.
Z.Kw - there are 2-3 slots available from forfeits - how many mates have you got who will join? I can rearrange the brackets of course but it has to be pretty soon (before this weekend when people may be playing games, like friday, for example).
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I added you on MSN, accept it ~ I haven't confirmed the players yet but it'll be done by tomorrow.
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It didn't say anyone added me o.o
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Anyone have a Email / MSN address for ttSeason? I have to reschedule my match as i will be away for the weekend ..
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dAncerS I think he goes by just[rm] a lot on iCCup. Also - you can play the games earlier than this weekend if you need :3
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oh wot zee fock i'll try again
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Uploaded the map pack [url blocked].
Thanks JASON BAYNNNNEEEEE for getting the maps together!
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Ikori: Could we play our game in the morning?
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Hi, what do I do if my opponent is not responding to me?
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please forfeit me i have exams and no time to play yet
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On October 28 2009 19:00 miomoemaid wrote:
Hi, what do I do if my opponent is not responding to me?
Give them until the weekend.
EDIT: Also guys if your opponent has withdrawn due to exams, they may be replaced so don't go playing your next round opponent until Sunday this weekend! Kev has a few mates who want in n_n
DOUBLE EDIT: BTW by replaced I don't mean in the whole competition lol, just for the seeding tournament!
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Count me out of the seeding tournament too, I got an exam the day after it starts. Regardless, I'm bad so I'll probably be on the B team.
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On October 28 2009 19:53 Siefu wrote:
Count me out of the seeding tournament too, I got an exam the day after it starts. Regardless, I'm bad so I'll probably be on the B team.
From the sunday all through that week you can complete those games! Not just on the sunday.
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On October 28 2009 19:58 iCCup.deL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 19:53 Siefu wrote:
Count me out of the seeding tournament too, I got an exam the day after it starts. Regardless, I'm bad so I'll probably be on the B team. From the sunday all through that week you can complete those games! Not just on the sunday.
Well in that case I guess I can play Fri/Sat since my exams wrap up midday Friday.
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On October 28 2009 19:00 miomoemaid wrote:
Hi, what do I do if my opponent is not responding to me?
Hiya, I've got exams too like a few people here, so I won't be able to play until next Friday :/
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I sent ItsPaul a msg on iCCup and haven't heard back.
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On October 29 2009 18:12 prOxi.NapE wrote:
I sent ItsPaul a msg on iCCup and haven't heard back.
Like I said, give it to Sunday for them to respond over the weekend.
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playahz on iccup
pre_amp on tl...obviously
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Kev has been a help in letting some of his mates know about the competition who were keen to play, so these guys will be filling in on the seeding tournament for those who can't make it.
I added them here too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103610
Bracket changes
Where possible the race of the player trading places will be kept the same, and if that is not possible then the state will try to stay the same, otherwise just random. None of the replacements have been made official yet as I am waiting until tomorrow night to confirm absences.
Players who can't play in the seeding tour:
ciaM - South Australia - Zerg
suttal.tea - Victoria - Protoss
Fen - Western Australia - Zerg
Players who postponed their first round matches to next week:
Siefu - Western Australia - Terran
ecONI - Western Australia - Zerg
Replacement Players:
X-FoShO - New South Wales - Terran
thugzta[AutO] - New South Wales - Protoss
Esc-dosile - Victoria - Protoss/Terran
eK.PeaVey - Western Australia - Terran
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Cool additions, they are all gm (x-fosho to an extent) and all not zerg!
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So are you going to put the NSW replacements into the free slots for the seeding tourney? That would be a lot better than redoing the bracket
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Nice additions to the tourny. I did not see ttseason online this week so I'm going to have to postpone my matches until next week if possible as I'm going away for the weekend.
Also my ID on iccup: dancerS
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On October 30 2009 05:51 DancerS_au wrote:
Nice additions to the tourny. I did not see ttseason online this week so I'm going to have to postpone my matches until next week if possible as I'm going away for the weekend.
Also my ID on iccup: dancerS
I will be sure to let him know if I see him.
On October 29 2009 22:47 Marine50 wrote:
So are you going to put the NSW replacements into the free slots for the seeding tourney? That would be a lot better than redoing the bracket
It's much easier to replace people than add them to freewin slots.
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Is the map pool for the state of origin the same as the seeding tourney? Or can seeding be anything?
edit: nvm, silly me. Maps are in OP
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UPDATES:
VIC
suttal.eat --> replaced with Esc-dosile
SAWA
ciaM - eK.PeaVey
Fen - withdrawn
MISC
Replacements from NSW, turn up if you can at the Sunday time and you can replace no-shows (15 mins courtesy time given).
The deal with this weekend: If you have had contact with your opponent they can postpone it to later this week, but no contact by your opponent before the tournament time = walkover IF they don't show up within 15mins of tourney start.
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Siefu i'm ready to play the next 2 days.
X-EdgE on Iccup.
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Hang on a sec, am I playing you Cam or am I playing a replacement since Fen dropped? If I am playing you, I can't really play until Friday since I start my exams tomorrow. Is that okay?
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1hr 15mins until we can meet up for some games here, make sur eyou have made an effort to inform your opponent!
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I don't have the details of my opponent
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10 mins guys, channel TeamAus on iCC. Let me and your opponent know if you prefer to play on bnet with ChaosLauncher.
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zoroastra didnt show, didn't have his contact, so i couldn't contact him
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Awaiting winner of BookTwo + Dosile.Dosile showed up but left for Rugby and BookTwo was on earlier but not now :O
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On November 01 2009 17:20 Z.Kw wrote:
zoroastra didnt show, didn't have his contact, so i couldn't contact him
My contact was zoroastra and Choros on TL. Ill still play you if your around but im going on holiday tomorow for the next week.
Edit: Nevermind I play ZvZ at around D- level so i think its safe to say you would have won anyway.
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OK here are the results for today:
RESULTS
+ Show Spoiler [VIC] +Group 1
KarnivooL - BYE
deconduo w/o hided))
KarnivooL w/o hided))
Group 2
PerfectHydra - BYE
SexyPlay vs. -jupiter- not yet played
Group 3
sMbK - BYE
Backlash - BYE
sMbK - Backlash not yet played
Group 4
TheShinyFace - BYE
playahz - BYE
TheShinyFace - playahz not yet played
Group 5
Pred_au - BYE
BookTwo w/o Esc-dosile
Pred_au w/o Esc-dosile
Group 6
vst.pinder - BYE
FrZ 2-0 SilentNoodle
FrZ 2-0 vst.pinder
Group 7
hwru - BYE
Moneybags - BYE
hwru vs. Moneybags not yet played
Group 8
dAncerS - BYE
ttSeason - BYE
dAncerS vs. ttSeason not yet played
+ Show Spoiler [NSWACT] +Group 1
-iNcoGNiTo- - BYE
ThugztA[AutO] w/o chogoling
-iNcoGNitO- 2-0 ThugztA[AutO]
Group 2
PandaSauruS_au - BYE
EviL.Wm w/o ZPo
PandaSauruS_au vs. EviL.Wm to be played
Group 3
fadetowhite - BYE
Marine50 2-1 hisense_teevee
fadetowhite vs. Marine50 to be played
Group 4X-Aki w/o Zoroastra
Peanutter w/o Sotanath
X-Aki 2-1 Peanutter
+ Show Spoiler [QLDNT] +Group 1
G4i.Etude - BYE
prOxi.NapE w/o ItsPaul
G4i.Etude 2-0 prOxi.NapE
Group 2
prestokang - BYE
Touchmyzerg - BYE
Prestokang 2-0 Touchmyzerg
Group 3
risingstar - BYE
X-LoSt w/o ]naifu
risingstar w/o X-LoSt
Group 4
Final[PaiN] - BYE
SeMu - BYE
Final[PaiN] 2-0 SeMu
SemiFinals
G4i.Etude 2-0 prestokang
risingstar 2-0 Final[PaiN]
UB Finals
G4i.Etude 3-2 risingstar
+ Show Spoiler [SAWA] +Group 1
X-EdgE - BYE
Siefu w/o Fen
X-EdgE vs. Siefu to be played
Group 2
Smacey - BYE
miomoemaid vs. ecONI to be played
Group 3
blackbelt - BYE
Artanis_au w/o deth-
blackbelt 2-0 Artanis_au
Group 4
Su)FighT - BYE
Koven vs. PeaVey[AutO] to be played
TO BE PLAYED:
+ Show Spoiler [VIC] +Group 9
KarnivooL vs. Winner Group 2
Group 10
Winner Group 3 vs. Winner Group 4
Group 11
Pred_au vs. FrZ
Group 12
Winner Group 7 vs. Winner Group 8
+ Show Spoiler [NSWACT] +SemiFinal 1
-iNcoGNitO- vs. Winner Group 2
SemiFinal 2
Winner Group 3 vs. X-Aki
+ Show Spoiler [QLDNT] +
+ Show Spoiler [SAWA] +SemiFinal 1
Winner Group 1 vs. Winner Group 2
SemiFinal 2
blackbelt vs. Winner Group 4
LOWER BRACKET:
+ Show Spoiler [VIC] +Check binarybeast bracket
+ Show Spoiler [NSWACT] +Game 1
Zoroastra vs. Sotanath
Game 3
ZPo vs. Peanutter
Game 4
ThugztA[AutO] vs. hisense_teevee
+ Show Spoiler [QLDNT] +Game 1
prOxi.NapE vs. ]naifu
Touchmyzerg vs. Winner
Final[PaiN] vs. Winner 2
Game 2
X-LoSt vs. ItsPaul
SeMu vs. Winner
prestokang vs. Winner 2
+ Show Spoiler [SAWA] +
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A reminder also that next weekend there will be another tourney like this to complete the rest of the games. It will be held from 5:30PM onwards.
You may complete games at ANY OTHER TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN if you send replays to iccup.del@gmail.com
Cheers.
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GG QLDNT GUYS
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I beat FrZ 2-1, emailed you reps.
Cheers!
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Where are you Australian, and also SiMPL and -jupiter-? Needa get your side of the bracket going, as most of the other guys lagging behind have at least contacted us and organised a time.
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what? its says pred_au beat me 2-0, but I haven't played a single game yet. I'm kinda confused atm
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CRIPES, I totally forgot about this. Does that mean I can't play you pred? I saw your post just above. I need to have dinner now, but will be on later most likely
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meh, forget about it. if you are d+ pred, you would beat me. my tvt is terribad anyway.
so when do the lower bracket matches get played?
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Pred a D+ Terran? lol
You can play lower bracket whenever, and sorry he has already advanced and played the next player so you can't really go back and play him now.
The remaining games can be played from now until next Sunday, and next Sunday we will meet up at the time in the OP.
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np about him advancing, it was my fault i didn't pay more attention. Sunday doesn't work for me, so is meeting in the op mandatory?
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Nope not mandatory but it IS however required that you finish your games by that sunday night.
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Pandasaurus 2-0  First game kinda close though I shudda seen it coming (I always fall for the ling pump -.-) and 2nd one I fucked up my BO a little and he threw me off with an oldschool build. Shudda just done Destination again :3
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On November 03 2009 15:32 BookTwo wrote:
meh, forget about it. if you are d+ pred, you would beat me. my tvt is terribad anyway.
so when do the lower bracket matches get played?
Sorry mate, we waited for everyone to show and game but no one on that side did.
I am actually C-C+ Zerg lol. Highest B-, but not now
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you would've wopped me, w/ touchpad.
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I am without internet for 1-2 weeks at most so for now PureKnight_au, dAncerS, and Predator_au may have to help you out and answer questions.
It will be unlikely that my internet is up in time to be there for the tourney this sunday but I will try and get PK to turn up otherwise PM or email me all info, dramas, results, etc.
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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.gif) X-EdgE 2-0 Winner
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.gif) Siefu 0-2 Loser
X-EdgE > Siefu on Destination
X-EdgE > Siefu on Destination
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vst.pinder > booktwo 2-0 (played bo3 despite brackets for the fun =])
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oh stop braging. I played first 5 mins w/ blindfold.
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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On November 06 2009 21:18 BookTwo wrote:
oh stop braging. I played first 5 mins w/ blindfold.
haha splitting would have been... interesting...
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Hey, econi if you're here please tell me what time you are available to play today or tomorrow
I should be avaible tonight or tomorrow afternoon
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TheShinyFace could you PM the times you can play? =D
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You need to at least attempt to make contact with your partner.
If you do not show up Sunday and you have not contacted anyone, then there is a chance ur opponent will be given the win.
We can't have this tournament go over 3-4 weeks
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I contacted my partner Sexyplay and he said he couldn't play his games as he was moving house (I sent you a PM predator_au).
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Thanks Jupiter. I dont have access to the binary brackets, but I am sure Del will read this when he is back and update accordingly. Please check who your next opponent will be.
Marine50 - I saw Fadetowhite on today. I will try contact him also, as i feel he may still be able to play soon.
Cheers,
Pred
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I've been on the last 4 days playing iccup, havent seen my opponent ttSeason (just[rm] iccup ID) online yet. Might have to forfeit my matches as i cannot play on weekends.
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i've got my exams and havent managed to play. my opponent has tried contacting me but i haven't been on my comp. will have to give a w/o
will be done late november if thats in time for the actual thing
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On November 07 2009 18:55 DancerS_au wrote:
I've been on the last 4 days playing iccup, havent seen my opponent ttSeason (just[rm] iccup ID) online yet. Might have to forfeit my matches as i cannot play on weekends.
He's been online twice.
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X-torpid 2-0 Scaramanga on desti and outsider
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X-ToRpiD 2-0 Scaramanga
Desti-Outsider-end.
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Thanks for keeping it updated guys, I updated binarybeast with what I could but I still won't have any significant internet time for a while.
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sorry gotta pullout.
couldnt get into contact with backlash (whose studying for exams). also will be out for the rest of the night so i cant play in the tournament
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Del whats the rule with playing random, becuase i reallly dont want to have to play someone if they random
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On November 08 2009 15:08 Scaramanga wrote:Del whats the rule with playing random, becuase i reallly dont want to have to play someone if they random
Random is allowed on opponent's consent.
it's in "structure" =D
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fadetowhite > marine50 1-0 @ desti
fadetowhite > marine50 2-0 @ desti
fadetowhite > z.kw 1-0 @ desti
fadetowhite > z.kw 2-0 @ outsider
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I've logged in late but a /whois of my bracket shows none of them showing up today so far, what's the go? I'm D- and don't really think any kind of win by disqualification is necessarilly the best thing for our team lol
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On November 08 2009 16:43 Z.Kw wrote:
fadetowhite > marine50 1-0 @ desti
fadetowhite > marine50 2-0 @ desti
fadetowhite > z.kw 1-0 @ desti
fadetowhite > z.kw 2-0 @ outsider
BL K-Zou
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wtff stop calling me that C-Murrin
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LOL
ok you call me C-Muz, i'll call you K-Z, since your last name is so short, i'll just use a Z.
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On November 08 2009 15:52 SilentNoodle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2009 15:08 Scaramanga wrote:Del whats the rule with playing random, becuase i reallly dont want to have to play someone if they random Random is allowed on opponent's consent. it's in "structure" =D
and i end up playing with him on first round and im random.. what a sook lol. i want my random dose :@
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i refuse to play this guy who is scared of cheese.. this guy dunno starcraft lolz
Enjoy the win square
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Stuyvesant refused not to play random
When i got onto iccup and entered the game i said i didnt want to play random and this guy cracked it and was being mega bm untill he finally picked a race, he left the game and iccup after about 20 seconds,
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Del. i tho random was accepted.. wtf man
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scaramanga? i refused to play random??
YOU ARE THE PERSON WHO REFUSED TO PLAY VS RANDOM idiot
nice edit there.
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On November 08 2009 19:30 Stuyvesant wrote:
i refuse to play this guy who is scared of cheese.. this guy dunno starcraft lolz
Enjoy the win square
Man theres no need to be bm, i dont want to have to deal with facing random, if you dont want to pick a race then accept the forfit
ggs
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im shocked i cant even play a game of starcraft, some guy like you these days sigh.. it saddens me. the days are genuinely over T_T
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On November 08 2009 19:33 Stuyvesant wrote:
im shocked i cant even play a game of starcraft, some guy like you these days sigh.. it saddens me. the days are genuinely over T_T
Whatever man, i may have let you play random but not after the way you acted, you threw a tantrum like a 12 yearold and was super bm
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you may have let? LOL shut up
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gg Smacy
Smacy > miomoemaid 2-0
dest and hbr
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ecONI never came on, so miomoemaid and I played our games.
Smacey > miomoemaid @ Destination
Smacey > miomoemaid @ Heartbreak Ridge
edit: beat me to it =P
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X-EdgE 2-0 Winner
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.gif) Smacey 0-2 Loser
X-EdgE > Smacey on Destination
X-EdgE > Smacey on Blue Storm
GG's ^^
Also: i'd like to ask if the leader of the team is like a PL coach, and is the main decider of who goes where, like he consults the team and puts someone where. If i get captain i'd love to do that.
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FUCK YEAH, thats how cam rolls bitches!
CAM HWAITING!!!
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how do i get in touch with that naifu guy? didnt answer me on iccup.
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So random is not allowed now? what stupid retard decided that
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On November 08 2009 23:02 Z.Kw wrote:
So random is not allowed now? what stupid retard decided that
you K-Z.
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wtf gtfo i wanted to play random
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so um, i don't think TheShinyFace showed up today O_o
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On November 08 2009 21:38 Camlito wrote:
Also: i'd like to ask if the leader of the team is like a PL coach, and is the main decider of who goes where, like he consults the team and puts someone where. If i get captain i'd love to do that.
+1 for Cam getting captaincy, I'm sure he'll do our team good.
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On November 08 2009 23:02 Z.Kw wrote:
So random is not allowed now? what stupid retard decided that
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Just interested to see who wants what
Unofficial Poll
Poll: Allow players to pick random
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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I will talk with the other admins when I get some steady internet but I don't like having random allowed in the competition. Heard no strong arguments supporting it being allowed either - 'it's part of the game' is simply not a good enough reason.
Also PK I tried changing the PW in binarybeast so you could use it but it won't work :/
Because I can't really organise anything at the moment without internet you guys can keep playing the games in your own time - when you go to find out people's contacts don't just find your opponent. Try to get in touch with 2 or 3 people from your side of the bracket in case you advance you won't be left floundering again trying to find them.
Cheers.
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Alright. I also believe random should NOT be allowed.
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On November 09 2009 13:22 iCCup.deL wrote:
I will talk with the other admins when I get some steady internet but I don't like having random allowed in the competition. Heard no strong arguments supporting it being allowed either - 'it's part of the game' is simply not a good enough reason.
Also PK I tried changing the PW in binarybeast so you could use it but it won't work :/
Because I can't really organise anything at the moment without internet you guys can keep playing the games in your own time - when you go to find out people's contacts don't just find your opponent. Try to get in touch with 2 or 3 people from your side of the bracket in case you advance you won't be left floundering again trying to find them.
Cheers.
probably because theres no good argument against having random allowed. unless catering to wimps that dont know how to play if they cant use the same opening every game is one of them
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On November 09 2009 16:17 SoMuchBetter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2009 13:22 iCCup.deL wrote:
I will talk with the other admins when I get some steady internet but I don't like having random allowed in the competition. Heard no strong arguments supporting it being allowed either - 'it's part of the game' is simply not a good enough reason.
Also PK I tried changing the PW in binarybeast so you could use it but it won't work :/
Because I can't really organise anything at the moment without internet you guys can keep playing the games in your own time - when you go to find out people's contacts don't just find your opponent. Try to get in touch with 2 or 3 people from your side of the bracket in case you advance you won't be left floundering again trying to find them.
Cheers. probably because theres no good argument against having random allowed. unless catering to wimps that dont know how to play if they cant use the same opening every game is one of them
While i think random should be allowed now, saying:
"wimps that don't know how to play because they do the same opening every game" - what the fuck? If they win games with it, why not do it?
A lot of people go on about how if you win with cheese, then why not do it? Same for mechanical players. Now imagine as an example scara, he is learning zerg still and can get frustated really easy and thrown off. He plays a D player, and the D player randoms, and in one of the posts implied he would probably cheese. A random player knows what matchup they are playing, how to abuse there opponent... how many times to people actaully play against random? Maybe 3 times on the ladder? While a random player would play it every game, and ALSO race pick vs friends and get a feeling for it. It's just at this level, an advantage that some players who are more deserving or better don't want to risk, because opening against random is a huge bitch
MINI GUIDE FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO VS RANDOM
ZERG VS RANDOM
Standard Zerg openings:
ZvT: 12 hatch (9 drone scout is what i do too)
ZvZ: Alot (9 pool sp/lair, overgas, 12 hatch, overpool speed, 12 pool expo /w speed or lair first, 4 pool
ZvP: Overpool/9 pool with or without gas, 12 hatch.
Now against random, what one would be the best?
12 hatch vs random: If he randoms:
ZvZ: The 12 hatch will be off, and if he goes 12 hat 11 pool 10 gas
ZvP: he can autolose... 2 hatch vs P who can scout and you don't know he is P so harder to prevent scouting is a bitch.
ZvT: BBS when you don't even know he's terran, and if you send a 9 drone scout, what if hes zerg? EVERY DRONE COUNTS IN ZvZ, so you can't nessesarily scout as Zerg properly vs random.
9 pool speed vs random: If he randoms:
Z: Nice opening, but overgas or 12 pool can EASILY counter this and play normally, and he won't know to take a drone off at 88 gas, because he might not want a 1 HATCH LAIR VS PROTOSS OR TERRAN. Also 4 player map if you 9 pool speed even vs 12 hatch sucks.
T: Wall off. Nuff said.
P: Very aggressive, and if you don't understand ZvP in terms of abusing and the actaul flow of the matchup properly, and just macro and do the standard, you will end up jus tmaking alot of lings and hoping for the best.
Overpool vs random, speed or not
ZvZ: Overpool is generally bad vs Zerg if you don't know they are zerg, but overpool speed is a nice opening against alot of Z bo's if you know how to do it
ZvT: Wall off. Slower lings than 9 pool and slower hatch vs vulture. Nuff Said.
ZvP: Good opening.
4 pool vs random
ZvZ: Countered by alot of Z bo's, bar 12 hatch and greedy drone builds. (even Calm showed how to beat it with 12 hach)
ZvT: Wall off/bunker/101201230 health scvs. Nuff Said.
ZvP: 2 gate completely rapes it if you can micro decently.
Best Zerg Opening in my opinion vs random
9 Pool Speed (12 Hatch vs on 4 player biggish maps)
versus:
Terran If he doesn't wall, abuse it. if he walls, get expo and stop lings, get lair and 2 hatch muta, or lurker if he is going bio. 12 hatch is great on 4 player maps vs T.
Protoss Great vs FE and denying scout, can fend off 2 gate long enough to get a 2nd hatch (at nat or, in cases of proxy gate, in main). Can be trouble vs 1 base, but you can be gay and abuse imbalance etc etc. 12 hatch on bigger maps, if he scouts first, you then know he is P so put down a pool (and gas if needed)
Zerg > 12 hatch, > 12 pool with micro, can play out properly vs overgas/overpool, >> 4 pool. 12 hatch vs zerg on 4 player maps: Very strong. Turtle style while getting mutas. 9 pool easier to fend off.
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TERRAN VS RANDOM
Standard terran openings:
TvT: 1 fac 1 port/14cc/1 fac cc/2 fac (mech openings for all)
TvZ: around 5000 builds. 1 rax cc, mech, block and fake mech/2 port.
TvP: 1 fac CC (FD, Siege expo, Strong FD), 2 fac (with variations)
1 Factory opening (generally to expand with siege) vs random
TvZ: leads to 503405425 build orders. Works out well, but if you are a bio player, it sucks. A lot.
TvT: Works out well, but vsing 2 fac or 2 port is really hard. You also don't know to produce an early vulture, like you would vs Z or T, because if he's P you can be hugely behind.
TvP:. Works out well, but have to scout well to transition normally.
2 factory opening vs random
TvZ: Wall off counters some early rushes. Very strong but very hard to pull off. Bio players will suck.
TvT: Very nice, if you scout early you can adapt to what he does and lead into standard, and make the rush the suitable rush needed (i.e - mines? fast siege? 2 fac vulture i.e mines/speed, no siege/)
TvP: Very nice too, but get's completely countered by DT's (which most randoms would do)
1 rax CC
TvZ: Opens great. Scout early (i.e when depot starts) to counter any cheese normally. Bad if you mech.
TvT: Sucks dick, unless he goes 1 fac CC, and you can hold off
TvP: Sucks dick, unless you are if.classic.
2 rax
TvZ: Nice punishing opening.
TvT: lol.
TvP: lol
14 CC
TvZ: lol
TvT: Yeh
TvP: lol
BBS
TvZ: Very strong opening
TvT: can catch fast expo terrans off guard
TvP: can work well but probes are imba.
Overall, Terran builds vs random are very refined. It depends on your kind of play, especially your vs zerg play. I think opening a wall with gas is a good idea.
Best terran build vs random in my opinion
1 Factory with wall. (works for bio terrans vs zerg)
vs Protoss, add an early ebay, and expand.
vs Terran, Add a 2nd fac, or expand.
vs Zerg Any of the 40103 builds you want. Fuck with the zerg, as he is likely to try fast lings/fast tech. Fake mech is a great opening if you are a bio player, so you can force his defence/false tech, then play your normal style.
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PROTOSS VS RANDOM
Standard Protoss openings:
PvZ: Forge FE/1 base play (2 or 1 gate)
PvT: 1241414 builds (Standards in order of use: proxy gate/gas steal, 12/14 nexus, 1 gate core expo, 1 gate core tech, 2 gate core tech/expo.
PvP: 2 gate/1 gate core -> reaver/obs or 3/4 gate goon or DT.
12/14 nexus
PvT. Very Very good, but bbs completely counters it.
PvP. No
PvZ. If you have balls, do it, but any overpool or less pool would destroy you unless you have much/bisu/free probes etc.
proxy gate(s) (with optional fast scout and gas steal)
PvT. Very Very good, if you get in before wall for optional gas steal or a gas they get faster they they want.
PvP. Very nice opening, typically 2 gate is better.
PvZ. Good vs any non-speedling opening. Still a struggle vs experienced zergs.
1 gate tech
PvT. Very nice and standard. Scout well.
PvP. Very nice and standard. Defend well.
PvZ. Very nice and not imbalanced, abuse tech and transition normally.
Forge FE.
PvT. Only works vs BBS.
PvP. it CAN work in very rare circumstances, especailly if you transition into temp tech over reaver tech.
PvZ. Of course very good.
2 gate in base
PvT: Great if he doesn't wall. BADD if he does. However if he 1 facs, you can transition smoothly.
PvP: Great standard micro opening.
PvZ: Still very strong, especially if the Z opens 12 hatch and is greedy.
Best Protoss opening vs random in my opinion
2 gate. Honestly.
vs Terran - If he doesn't wall, tranisition into goons and robo off 1 base, and if you are sure he is 1 faccing, just expand and get a goon fast for any vults.
vs Protoss - Strong opening. Better for a micro player, as it can end the game because of the advantage you get.
vs Zerg Can transition into forge/expo vs speedlings, and can camp and abuse a Zerg who expos and needs alot of sunkens.
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Let's put together the Information
Zerg
2 Player Maps: 9 Pool Speed -> Aggressive (Deny Scouting, Pressure vs Zerg, transition to 2 hatch vs Terran)
3 Player Maps: 9 Pool Speed -> Same as above, but harder for him to scout you.
4 Player Maps: 12 Hatch 12 drone scout -> Play very defensive. 3 hatch vs T/P (3rd base vs FE), spore/sunk and muta vs zerg (with carapace).
Protoss
2 Player Maps: 2 Gateway -> Aggressive. Vs Terran Wall, just expo or get goons/robo vs 2 fac (or expected 2 fac)
3 Player Maps: 2 Gateway -> Passive or Aggressive based on Scouting
4 Player Maps: 1 Gate Tech -> Expand (macro based)
Terran
2 Player Maps: 1 Factory /w wall -> open how you want but be more cautious
3 Player Maps: 1 Factory /w wall -> open how you want (fake mech, 1/2 port leta style, mech)
4 Player Maps: 1 Factory /w wall -> more macro oriented
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ok so now due to c-muz's guide (any fucking longer) can random be allowed in the tourney?
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The best answer to playing against random, especially vs a worse player is:
Random yourself
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Random > Random so which random?
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On November 09 2009 18:41 Predator_au wrote:
Random > Random so which random?
random
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I'm yet to hear a good argument for disallowing random but we've already had this argument so meh.
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anyone have any way to get in contact with 'smbk'? Hes not smbk on iccup or TL.net and hes not in the contact list D:.
Smbk - if u read this shoot me a pm.
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you'll never know what is coming.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
Dont know what to do?
Learn.
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isnt that somuchbetter? (smbk)
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Just out of curiosity will any replays of games be available I wouldn't mind seeing the skill level and play style of my team mates.
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On November 10 2009 12:26 Stuyvesant wrote:
you'll never know what is coming.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
Dont know what to do?
Learn.
That's pretty... contradicting? the way you put it-
You will never know what is coming, be afraid.
Learn what is coming (?? you will never know what is coming?)
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On November 09 2009 20:19 RowdierBob wrote:
I'm yet to hear a good argument for disallowing random but we've already had this argument so meh.
Its a great disadvantage for the player not playing random, if im zerg i have to do a general build that i thinks good against 3 races, e.g 9 pool speed but if he's terran and blocks that im fucked due to him being random, there are a whole lot of situations like this that can arise from someone playing random and the majority of people dont want to have to deal with it
imo man up and pick a race
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On November 10 2009 15:43 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 12:26 Stuyvesant wrote:
you'll never know what is coming.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
Dont know what to do?
Learn. That's pretty... contradicting? the way you put it- You will never know what is coming, be afraid. Learn what is coming (?? you will never know what is coming?)
I think he was referring to learning how to react to it.
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His first 2 sentences are probably mocking the other guys feelings, then he just says learn?
You can learn for anything. I'd rather learn to get to C+ then learn to beat crappy d+ randoms
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There are those random for perceived info advantage and those just random for fun. For the latter, I'd think they'll be perfectly happy to chat out the race once spawned to nullify the 'edge'.
I don't think everyone here is A+ programer level where specialized BO will lead to auto win or loss, though some of the proponents of non-random appears to believe so, perhaps they are just that good, able to press home the BO advantage for an auto win HAD they randomed, oh wait...
Those in favor of banning random are assuming, the advantage of the extra information/forcing generic BO/forced early scout is more than the disadvantage of needing a reasonable idea for 6 matchups. I would estimate random players will lack in late game management in some races. It is all the more important for the non-randomer to play safe then, as game progresses, the skill advantage grows.
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On November 10 2009 15:44 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2009 20:19 RowdierBob wrote:
I'm yet to hear a good argument for disallowing random but we've already had this argument so meh. Its a great disadvantage for the player not playing random, if im zerg i have to do a general build that i thinks good against 3 races, e.g 9 pool speed but if he's terran and blocks that im fucked due to him being random, there are a whole lot of situations like this that can arise from someone playing random and the majority of people dont want to have to deal with it imo man up and pick a race
how bout you "man up" and deal with it
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How about some middle ground here, allow random but make it compulsory to announce your race at the beginning of each game? I dunno, just a thought.
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On November 10 2009 15:44 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2009 20:19 RowdierBob wrote:
I'm yet to hear a good argument for disallowing random but we've already had this argument so meh. Its a great disadvantage for the player not playing random, if im zerg i have to do a general build that i thinks good against 3 races, e.g 9 pool speed but if he's terran and blocks that im fucked due to him being random, there are a whole lot of situations like this that can arise from someone playing random and the majority of people dont want to have to deal with it imo man up and pick a race
you just blew up my irony meter
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On November 10 2009 17:17 Smace wrote:
How about some middle ground here, allow random but make it compulsory to announce your race at the beginning of each game? I dunno, just a thought.
I love doing that if i can't decide a race, but random is picked so they can fuck with the opponent early game, so that would defeat it.
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Are people forgetting random players lose any early game advantage they may have by having to be competent in all 9 MUs?!
I mean seriously, scout early, play safe and learn more than just one build..
You'd think everyone has become so regimented by build orders they don't know how to actually play BW anymore but rather only execute build orders they've seen pros do.
Massive =/
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srsly ppl, grow some balls thx
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On November 10 2009 17:46 SoMuchBetter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 15:44 Scaramanga wrote:On November 09 2009 20:19 RowdierBob wrote:
I'm yet to hear a good argument for disallowing random but we've already had this argument so meh. Its a great disadvantage for the player not playing random, if im zerg i have to do a general build that i thinks good against 3 races, e.g 9 pool speed but if he's terran and blocks that im fucked due to him being random, there are a whole lot of situations like this that can arise from someone playing random and the majority of people dont want to have to deal with it imo man up and pick a race you just blew up my irony meter
:\, theres a reason that the rules now state its fine if the OPPONENT WANTS RANDOM, in dont want that shit so bad luck for anyone that plays random
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My problem with random is I want to know what match up I am playing so I can practice how to counter differently builds that I scout for 1 MU, not 3.
Also people might not want to start off with 9 pools or 1 factory vulture builds just in case their scout goes the wrong direction or they get cheesed without even knowing the MU.
and in the essence of pro gaming PL matches we should have both players preparing for a specific MU to make the games better quality
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On November 10 2009 19:12 RowdierBob wrote:
You'd think everyone has become so regimented by build orders they don't know how to actually play BW anymore but rather only execute build orders they've seen pros do.
its sad but i think this may be true. "back in my day" you'd be laughed out of a tournament if you complained about someone playing random.
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On November 10 2009 19:54 Marine50 wrote:
My problem with random is I want to know what match up I am playing so I can practice how to counter differently builds that I scout for 1 MU, not 3.
Also people might not want to start off with 9 pools or 1 factory vulture builds just in case their scout goes the wrong direction or they get cheesed without even knowing the MU.
This pretty much sums up my point perfectly. You take people out of their comfort zone and they go to water.
As I said, playing v random is like playing a "fourth" race and you need to adjust your game accordingly.
We may as well just make it NR20 and come to the middle and fight with our 200/200 armies.
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On November 10 2009 20:41 RowdierBob wrote:
This pretty much sums up my point perfectly. You take people out of their comfort zone and they go to water.
Wanting to know the race you are against before hand is perfectly reasonable.
On November 10 2009 20:41 RowdierBob wrote:
We may as well just make it NR20 and come to the middle and fight with our 200/200 armies.
I can't tell if your being serious or not. Not wanting to play against random is in no way the same as the above. They are in completely different ballparks
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Just have a Poll about it maybe?
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sorry to bump the thread yet again with no real information, but Im sure people are more irritated by the general slowness of this tournament, please if anyone has any info on who smbk is or how i can get in contact with him post here or, even better, pm me.
People who played him for the tournament, the name he was on under iccup, anything! Any help appreciated.
edit; Found him, wooo.
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Koven/Peavey do you ever plan on getting your match done? I think Koven is inactive or something... he hasn't even said anything in 3 weeks (unless he and matt organized something in the last few days)
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i hate nr20 players, scar is one of them LoLZ
whinging bitches, should just man it up and learn how to deal with randoms, just scout and adapt?
random have weakness too, all you can think is cheese cheese, go fuckin eat a chesse then ffs!!
i hadnt played since 2004 and scara is taking starcraft very seriously. i bet you pick paladins lol
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Only Del has access to update binary, but if you cannot contact ur opponent by now with REALISTIC attempts then i am happy to issue walk overs if you post here.
Please post who you are waiting for and we can then see if a walk over is due.
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On November 11 2009 15:28 Stuyvesant wrote:
i hate nr20 players, scar is one of them LoLZ
whinging bitches, should just man it up and learn how to deal with randoms, just scout and adapt?
random have weakness too, all you can think is cheese cheese, go fuckin eat a chesse then ffs!!
i hadnt played since 2004 and scara is taking starcraft very seriously. i bet you pick paladins lol
Dude has this eaten you up, are you having trouble sleeping? you seam to care ALOT about this rofl :D
Thanks for the wins bro, your a nice guy
On November 10 2009 19:59 SoMuchBetter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 19:12 RowdierBob wrote:
You'd think everyone has become so regimented by build orders they don't know how to actually play BW anymore but rather only execute build orders they've seen pros do. its sad but i think this may be true. "back in my day" you'd be laughed out of a tournament if you complained about someone playing random.
I guess this isnt back in your day then
Edit, if the player was to announce his race at the start of the game i would have no problem with playing a random player, just don’t want to have to deal with early game poop
The reason people play sc is for fun right? how is it fun if you die or put at a disadvantage within the first 5 minuets due to the opponent playing random?
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.. cos all your posts are all nr20 posts.. and it annoys me
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Hisense_teevee could you announce the times you are free to play/when you plan to be online so I can message ThugztA for your bo1 game.
Sotanath could you announce the times you are free to play/when you plan to be online so the winner of ThugztA/Hisense_teevee can play you, and the winner of that to play myself.
Thanks.
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On November 11 2009 16:09 Stuyvesant wrote:
.. cos all your posts are all nr20 posts.. and it annoys me
So you have no argument? kkkk
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Guys can we please ban protoss from the tournament? I feel that they have an unfair advantage over other players, as you never know what is coming when you play one. It could be DT drop, it could be proxy gates, or it could be 14 nexus! It's just so unfair to play vs protoss, imo protoss players should "man up" and pick a fair race.
Unofficial poll as to whether or not protoss should be allowed:
Poll: Allow picking protoss?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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Just to let people (other admins) know i have my match scheduled with ttSeason (just[rm] iCCup ID) for tomorrow. We have already played 1 game out of the best of 3 yesterday. If X-Torpid reads this be on iCCup tomorrow night and you will be able to play the winner.
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Tomorrow :S. I've got an exam the next day, but mbe friday? My iccup ID is hwru /f a me ;D.
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Guys, can we please ban Lurgee aka X-ToRpiD from the tournament. If you lose a game against him, he will not let you hear the end of it, and the psychological damage would not be worth the fun of playing in this tournament.
He also plays like a south american. We don't want that in australia.
UNOFFICIAL POLL (OR IS IT?)
Poll: Ban X-ToRpiD from the tournament?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): Yes
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On November 11 2009 17:26 DancerS_au wrote:
Just to let people (other admins) know i have my match scheduled with ttSeason (just[rm] iCCup ID) for tomorrow. We have already played 1 game out of the best of 3 yesterday. If X-Torpid reads this be on iCCup tomorrow night and you will be able to play the winner.
I'll be there to play the loser
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Yo proxi.nape send me a PM or something for when you wanna play. I should be available any night for a game. Im currently moving house and on 3G prepaid so be prepared for a bit of lag.
By the way im Touchmyzerg on the brackets
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On November 11 2009 16:20 Z.Kw wrote:
Hisense_teevee could you announce the times you are free to play/when you plan to be online so I can message ThugztA for your bo1 game.
Sotanath could you announce the times you are free to play/when you plan to be online so the winner of ThugztA/Hisense_teevee can play you, and the winner of that to play myself.
Thanks.
aka Sotanath, i'll keep checking this thread to see when those two are playing and be online then or will post soonest possible time following.
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On November 11 2009 16:20 Z.Kw wrote:
Hisense_teevee could you announce the times you are free to play/when you plan to be online so I can message ThugztA for your bo1 game.
Sotanath could you announce the times you are free to play/when you plan to be online so the winner of ThugztA/Hisense_teevee can play you, and the winner of that to play myself.
Thanks.
I can play anytime at night during weekdays mon - thur
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Thanks for replying so quickly I'll get thugzta online tomorrow all day so just message X-Aki on iccup when you're on.
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First of all sorry guys about the tourney slowing down but it is supposed to be pretty laid back because it is during exam and school times and people will be delayed in trying to get their games done. Be patient and just try to get your games done ASAP when it is convenient for you and your opponent. I will still be away for another week or so without internet but when I am back PureKnight, myself and the others will get this competition well underway!
Regarding replays - some I have already uploaded on binarybeast so you can access them there.
On November 10 2009 19:12 RowdierBob wrote:
Are people forgetting random players lose any early game advantage they may have by having to be competent in all 9 MUs?!
I mean seriously, scout early, play safe and learn more than just one build..
You'd think everyone has become so regimented by build orders they don't know how to actually play BW anymore but rather only execute build orders they've seen pros do.
Massive =/
Sure but that is how the game is played now, people who aren't following these build orders because they have dedicated time and practice to learning and perfecting them will then lose to someone who does pull them off because they lack creativity.
The point is that before the match the random guy knows what his opponent is using so there is no counter-argument of 'the R has to practice all the MUs', he knows his opponent and just has to be confident with all 3 races - he can use it to get an early or late game advantage no doubt and is akin to an unbalanced map in favour of whatever race he has in my eyes. You claim that the non-random player will be using pre-designed pro build orders and so is inflexible but like I said the random player can also be doing something similar and by forcing the non-random to deviate from the build he uses simply by the merit of choosing random he gains in my eyes an advantage. In an idealised example, the R guy learns 3 pro BOs to counter whichever race he gets, the opponent has to use one safe BO, so the R can tailor the build however he wants (based on a normal pro one or not) to be in the lead. Sure the other guy can scout early but that doesn't really even the playing field as I see it.
Also regarding people just memorising builds, sure it would be great if it was still back in the days of boxer and we could be creative and use some fancy micro and win with a generic opening but it's like with any sport once it goes pro - your backyard footy rules aren't going to cut it in a professional era where people can copy pros. and practice for that. If we wanted a tourney for cute moves and tricky cheese we'd use weird maps and make everyone use random.
Not sure if I'm clear here I am in a bit of a rush, but I don't see why you MUST use random - isn't it just as easy to roll a dice or flip a coin to pick a race before the game? I guess I would allow you to just rock up and choose a race before the day if it seems fair to everyone. That way you are keeping your random race, your opponent isn't forced into using a safe BO they just have to practice against all 3 races as does the "R" user (practice using all 3 vs 1 race) and it seems pretty fair to me. Both of you make sacrifices and end up on even terms as far as I can tell. Note that this isn't allowed for everyone, because then it defeats the purpose as people can't practice - just for people who identified themselves as 'random' users. Thoughts?
PureKnight I might tell you my mobile number if you get free texts or something you can update me or we can talk about stuff :3 Cheers.
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First of all, thanks for organising this del. It takes effort and time to sustain an event and I think more appreciation is required from the participants.
On the topic of radomness, I will only comment that this is indeed the age of BOs, and IMO not necessarily a good thing for SC.
Evidence? Every day, you see a [H] post on strats forume where someone comes in, posts a replay and asks in the effect of 'what is wrong with my BO how can I adjust to my opponent's BO'. Yes BO is perhaps the easiest thing to change and learn, but BO is just a word and it also depends on all the little tiny bits for it to click. And you'd typically get the same response in the strategy forums: lol work on your macro. IMHO this is totally the wrong approach and let me pull stats out of my arse by claiming, 90% of the time people at a low level lose not because of BOs. And 50% of people using BOs don't have necessarily the ability to execute it as a progamer and expolit the weakness of a countered BO.
This is also evident in your argument in the post above. Basically everything in 4th paragraph is a theory based on the following assumptions:
1. BO loss cannot be overcome
2. Random user knows as much about the MU of single race users in each of their respective matchups (shouldn't them be rewarded for that knowledge then?)
3. People copying pro BOs are as good as the pros themselves (LOL)
I do not believe any of the above is true or proven to be true.
I also acknowledge some matchups vs R can be difficult, eg P vs RZ. But as a T/R I'd just like to say SUCK IT UP PROTOSS USERS
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what if the player goes random and just tells you what race they got o_o
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On November 12 2009 11:02 potchip wrote:
thanks for organising this del. It takes effort and time to sustain an event and I think more appreciation is required from the participants
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dancerS(P) > ttSeason(Z) 1-0 Destination
dancerS(P) > ttSeason(Z) 2-0 Destination
gg's
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Are you free to play tommorow at like 7?
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Won't be free then. I may have some time on the weekend but it would be mornings. Otherwise next week
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I cant believe us aussies are acting like farking retards!
Random is part of the game, just live with it.
PART OF THE GAME!
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Meh.. its been argued alot but for me personally i prefer not playing against a random user. Doesn't mean i won't, just means i try to avoid it. I want to know what race I am up against, I want to beat someone playing their best race or best matchup against me.
Also, how is anyone a robot for picking one race? I play protoss and have heaps of build orders and never play the same match twice, how am i a robot? How can anyone say that choosing one race is boring? People have different expectations for the game of starcraft, some people play to have a bit of fun, some people play to get better, some people play to earn money. But if a tournament / league is run and its stated that no random is allowed, just deal with it, and if its not your cup of tea move on.
Random is part of the game, but it doesnt have to be apart of tournaments and leagues! If its not allowed, suck it up and choose a race! .
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I think they're referring to people being robots for not being able to adapt to random. I'd prefer to not play against terrans as it can be argued that they have an advantage over Z, but nontheless to ban an entire race from a tournament is totally ludicrous. The only people who are strongly against playing vs random seem to be against it purely because they don't want to adapt to playing vs it. This is sc, you shouldn't get to decide what your opponent does. I'm not seeing any factor that makes this tourney unique enough to require the banning of R - something which to the best of my knowledge no recent tourney has done.
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Okay, so if random is allowed all you little bitches will stfu and get over it?
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On November 12 2009 17:58 Predator_au wrote:
I cant believe us aussies are acting like farking retards!
Random is part of the game, just live with it.
PART OF THE GAME!
Fine then map pool is Old Katrina, Old Medusa, every other pro P map out there, etc. - it's part of the game.
Point is, some parts of the game are just not fun to play and if you can only have fun when your opponent doesn't know what you're playing then go play battleships. I think it is reasonable enough that prior to a match an opponent can state they will be using 'random' but will then pick a race before the game? That way both players can train for 3 MUs but without the unpleasantness of having to play really safe and boring or being cheesed a whole lot.
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To clarify what I mean above - as in you enter the game lobby and you pick a race there and then the game starts. You just roll a dice 1-2 = P, 3-4 = T, 5-6 = Z whatever you wanna do there. I call it virtual random, it's like playing random in every way unless you planned to cheese your opponent every game!
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On November 12 2009 18:28 Lurgee wrote:
I think they're referring to people being robots for not being able to adapt to random. I'd prefer to not play against terrans as it can be argued that they have an advantage over Z, but nontheless to ban an entire race from a tournament is totally ludicrous. The only people who are strongly against playing vs random seem to be against it purely because they don't want to adapt to playing vs it. This is sc, you shouldn't get to decide what your opponent does. I'm not seeing any factor that makes this tourney unique enough to require the banning of R - something which to the best of my knowledge no recent tourney has done.
adapt to random?? You mean adapt to not knowing what the hell ur going to build until you scout when your opponent already knows what he is going from The start? Why would anyone who does not play random (I.e 90% of all players) want to do that? Don't people want to see some descent games played? Your teran v zerg analogy is also a load of crap !!
Not allowing random does not dictate what race someone can play. people act like it's banning an entire race when it is not. It's only random jeez!! Go random in ur pubby 3v3 bghers if u want some fun.
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So i guess I should play some games..
Anyone know who Incognito is/ where I can get in touch with him?
If you're reading this PM me mate!
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We are still going on about this shit???
THE FACTS
SC is a 12yr old game so its totally over analysed in strategy terms. Which means the RANDOM player has advantages EARLY GAME in areas of:
- BUILD ORDER
- SCOUTING
- CHEESE
The advantage for the 1 RACE player is their percieved matchup knowledge, which will begin to kick in once they scout the Race, Position and Build order of their opponent.
From here the overall micro/macro skills of the players will determine the game.
WHY CHOBO'S GO RANDOM?
There is 2 main reasons why ppl go random.
1. Most likely reason is because people dont understand the matchups and want an early advantage by going random. (Saying u go random for fun or some shit is a geeky cowardly way of saying u suck)
2. Someone thinks they are way better than you and want to embarass you by beating your main race with their off races.
THE VERDICT
Personally, i dont give a shit if u go random. I will just call u a scared newb and destroy u.
Between 2 similarly skilled players, i think its pretty even overall if one player goes Random.
So i guess at the risk of making a bunch of newbs cry, just let them go random and lose
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On November 12 2009 20:20 Raiju wrote:We are still going on about this shit??? THE FACTSSC is a 12yr old game so its totally over analysed in strategy terms. Which means the RANDOM player has advantages EARLY GAME in areas of: - BUILD ORDER - SCOUTING - CHEESE The advantage for the 1 RACE player is their percieved matchup knowledge, which will begin to kick in once they scout the Race, Position and Build order of their opponent. From here the overall micro/macro skills of the players will determine the game. WHY CHOBO'S GO RANDOM?There is 2 main reasons why ppl go random. 1. Most likely reason is because people dont understand the matchups and want an early advantage by going random. (Saying u go random for fun or some shit is a geeky cowardly way of saying u suck) 2. Someone thinks they are way better than you and want to embarass you by beating your main race with their off races. THE VERDICTPersonally, i dont give a shit if u go random. I will just call u a scared newb and destroy u. Between 2 similarly skilled players, i think its pretty even overall if one player goes Random. So i guess at the risk of making a bunch of newbs cry, just let them go random and lose
You vastly vastly overvalue the advantage in randoming. Also whoever said that you don't like tvz because t has an advantage...are you like, B+ ++ level? Cause T really isn't that much easier when you aren't actually GOOD.
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wow didnt know there were so many little whiny girls that still play sc these days. Theres a option in the game screen called "random", if its in the game screen you should be prepared to play it, get over it pussies!
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my main is random. its selectable on the pregame screen! its there for a reason!!
its like picking Akuma
ffs akuma is awesome k?
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LOL ^ FrZ_au we basically said the same thing i didnt read that
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On November 12 2009 17:58 Predator_au wrote:
I cant believe us aussies are acting like farking retards!
Random is part of the game, just live with it.
PART OF THE GAME!
Amen to this!
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Yoyo prOxi.FighT here. TL.net gay'd me so im prOxi.FighTing as of now on TL.net. TRUK! wassup mate!?
also, can koven and eK.peavey plz play your game?
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On November 12 2009 22:46 Ganfei wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 20:20 Raiju wrote:We are still going on about this shit??? THE FACTSSC is a 12yr old game so its totally over analysed in strategy terms. Which means the RANDOM player has advantages EARLY GAME in areas of: - BUILD ORDER - SCOUTING - CHEESE The advantage for the 1 RACE player is their percieved matchup knowledge, which will begin to kick in once they scout the Race, Position and Build order of their opponent. From here the overall micro/macro skills of the players will determine the game. WHY CHOBO'S GO RANDOM?There is 2 main reasons why ppl go random. 1. Most likely reason is because people dont understand the matchups and want an early advantage by going random. (Saying u go random for fun or some shit is a geeky cowardly way of saying u suck) 2. Someone thinks they are way better than you and want to embarass you by beating your main race with their off races. THE VERDICTPersonally, i dont give a shit if u go random. I will just call u a scared newb and destroy u. Between 2 similarly skilled players, i think its pretty even overall if one player goes Random. So i guess at the risk of making a bunch of newbs cry, just let them go random and lose You vastly vastly overvalue the advantage in randoming. Also whoever said that you don't like tvz because t has an advantage...are you like, B+ ++ level? Cause T really isn't that much easier when you aren't actually GOOD.
You must not play against Aussies much then. What the hell is macro?
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Reply to what I said otherwise for now random is only allowed if your opponent doesn't have a big problem with it and you inform them in advance.
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smbk > vst.pinder 2-1, really good matches =]
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On November 12 2009 19:25 DancerS_au wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 18:28 Lurgee wrote:
I think they're referring to people being robots for not being able to adapt to random. I'd prefer to not play against terrans as it can be argued that they have an advantage over Z, but nontheless to ban an entire race from a tournament is totally ludicrous. The only people who are strongly against playing vs random seem to be against it purely because they don't want to adapt to playing vs it. This is sc, you shouldn't get to decide what your opponent does. I'm not seeing any factor that makes this tourney unique enough to require the banning of R - something which to the best of my knowledge no recent tourney has done. adapt to random?? You mean adapt to not knowing what the hell ur going to build until you scout when your opponent already knows what he is going from The start? Why would anyone who does not play random (I.e 90% of all players) want to do that? Don't people want to see some descent games played? Your teran v zerg analogy is also a load of crap !! Not allowing random does not dictate what race someone can play. people act like it's banning an entire race when it is not. It's only random jeez!! Go random in ur pubby 3v3 bghers if u want some fun.
sorry dancers but i disagree with both your comments.
If someone is good enough to use random which is part of the game then so be it. If others cant beat it then we should not be using comments like "dont you want a decent game" etc.
It's about givig yourself the best opportunity at beating your opponent and for some people that is random. I dont like playing against it, but if someone chooses it then good on em!
It just means that people have to variate from standard build orders they know for certain match ups. That's one of the reasons people go random, is to avoid the standard builds which give them more game time.
IN IT TO WIN IT, NOT IN IT TO MAKE PRETTY 45 MIN GAMES! ... and possibly lose.
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omfg, the tournament rules are in place, it would be unfair to change them now, all the random players quit fkn whining and play -_-
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On November 12 2009 18:48 iCCup.deL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 17:58 Predator_au wrote:
I cant believe us aussies are acting like farking retards!
Random is part of the game, just live with it.
PART OF THE GAME! Fine then map pool is Old Katrina, Old Medusa, every other pro P map out there, etc. - it's part of the game. Point is, some parts of the game are just not fun to play and if you can only have fun when your opponent doesn't know what you're playing then go play battleships. I think it is reasonable enough that prior to a match an opponent can state they will be using 'random' but will then pick a race before the game? That way both players can train for 3 MUs but without the unpleasantness of having to play really safe and boring or being cheesed a whole lot.
I dont care about maps either! I will random if you make it those maps, that way you wont know if i get Zerg, Protoss or Terran. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Dancers - Have you played X-Torpid?
Winner of you two plays ME
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all good pred, i understand that point of view. People want to win, not lose.
Me personally, i would rather play a standard, long game. Thats the best part of starcraft for me, playing a long ass game, even if i lose i will still enjoy it, some people wont, some people do.
But when i vs random players, i find i cannot play to my full potential against what race they end up being when compared to knowing what their race was from the start, which means its less likely to end up a nice long game.
Maybe i should get used to playing random more, but who can be bothered!!
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On November 14 2009 13:38 DancerS_au wrote:
Me personally, i would rather play a standard, long game. Thats the best part of starcraft for me, playing a long ass game, even if i lose i will still enjoy it, some people wont, some people do.
But when i vs random players, i find i cannot play to my full potential against what race they end up being when compared to knowing what their race was from the start, which means its less likely to end up a nice long game.
Agree completely.
GTFO random! :D
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I will have internet on wednesday night I think :3 I will try update binarybeast for now.
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On November 15 2009 14:05 iCCup.deL wrote:
I will have internet on wednesday night I think :3 I will try update binarybeast for now.
Should head out Californi-way. I heard there was some internet out there
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What are the rules regarding random in big competitions such as pro Korean leagues and WCG or even Iccup leagues such as BWCL? Just out of curiosity...
As far as I'm concerned it would make sense to emulate the rules used by popular competitions which have already undergone this kind of debate to establish the ideal rules for a competitive environment.
Having said that, I'll support any rules designated by the authority what ever they may be.
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On November 15 2009 14:33 Marine50 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2009 14:05 iCCup.deL wrote:
I will have internet on wednesday night I think :3 I will try update binarybeast for now. Should head out Californi-way. I heard there was some internet out there
LOL
oh god i watched that episode like 2 hours ago rofl
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On November 15 2009 14:41 Wretchedness wrote:
What are the rules regarding random in big competitions such as pro Korean leagues and WCG or even Iccup leagues such as BWCL? Just out of curiosity...
As far as I'm concerned it would make sense to emulate the rules used by popular competitions which have already undergone this kind of debate to establish the ideal rules for a competitive environment.
Having said that, I'll support any rules designated by the authority what ever they may be.
Apparently u can random in OSL/MSL/Pro league, but you have to say ahead of schedule (week before).
In the Monthly tournament they have to qualify to get your pro gamer license (forgotten name) you have to choose a race.
WCG nfi.
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Well ive been waiting 3weeks now for my side of the bracket.
Either PerfectHydra work out ur games or advance me through to vs Playahz or smbk (dunno who won mixed reports)
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PerfectHydra is able to play games now afaik, don't freewin against him yet.
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Ok. but 3weeks is pretty gay. why bother signing up.
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On November 15 2009 18:04 Raiju wrote:
Ok. but 3weeks is pretty gay. why bother signing up.
Exams through those 3 weeks??? Lol??
He didn't know the seeding tourney would be exactly at this time, and if he did, he wouldn't miss a SoO tourney because of it. He thought he could squeeze a few games in and his opponent though so to, and he couldn't organize it after all. Alot of possiblities.
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Anyone know -Incognito- and how I can get in touch with him?
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Couldn't give a fuck Cam.
They coulda said they were unavailable instead of us sitting round holding our cocks.
"Lol?? Exams 3 weeks LOL? LOL?
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On November 15 2009 20:23 Raiju wrote:
Couldn't give a fuck Cam.
They coulda said they were unavailable instead of us sitting round holding our cocks.
"Lol?? Exams 3 weeks LOL? LOL?
I'm guessing you are not old enough to worry about exams, or too old to remember.
and i wasn't holding my cock, i didnt know you were chronic with how you approach that.
Whatever i can't explain it, it's just an unlucky time for the seeding tournament, and he HAS been online, blame his opponent, not him.
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ZPo and Peanutter when are you having your match? :D
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I forfeit my match.
X-torpid advances to next round and plays pred. Gl Hf bye
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On November 16 2009 14:42 DancerS_au wrote:
I forfeit my match.
X-torpid advances to next round and plays pred. Gl Hf bye
If it's because you can't find a time to play me, then I'd rather that I take the loss, as you are probably a better player than I am, and the A team would do better with you than with a cheesy C- z kid.
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Either one of you ok to play Sunday arvo between 3-7pm ? I will be on then.
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On November 15 2009 20:17 RowdierBob wrote:
Anyone know -Incognito- and how I can get in touch with him?
From other thread.
On October 14 2009 09:03 Raiju wrote:
Cogs will play for NSW.
-incognito-
He doesn't have a rank atm tho.
Who is Cogs Raiju?
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On November 16 2009 18:34 Predator_au wrote:
Either one of you ok to play Sunday arvo between 3-7pm ? I will be on then.
Sounds good. /f a hwru
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On November 15 2009 20:30 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2009 20:23 Raiju wrote:
Couldn't give a fuck Cam.
They coulda said they were unavailable instead of us sitting round holding our cocks.
"Lol?? Exams 3 weeks LOL? LOL?
I'm guessing you are not old enough to worry about exams, or too old to remember. and i wasn't holding my cock, i didnt know you were chronic with how you approach that. Whatever i can't explain it, it's just an unlucky time for the seeding tournament, and he HAS been online, blame his opponent, not him.
Im 26... Some1 coulda just posted that they weren't going to be online for 3weeks.
Not 1 game has been played on my side of the Vic brackets.
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On November 15 2009 20:17 RowdierBob wrote:
Anyone know -Incognito- and how I can get in touch with him?
Yea man add me spudgugglebang@hotmail.com and cogs steven930@hotmail.com
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On November 16 2009 19:41 Marine50 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2009 20:17 RowdierBob wrote:
Anyone know -Incognito- and how I can get in touch with him? From other thread. Show nested quote +On October 14 2009 09:03 Raiju wrote:
Cogs will play for NSW.
-incognito-
He doesn't have a rank atm tho. Who is Cogs Raiju?
Cogs is -incognito-
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On November 17 2009 06:04 Raiju wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2009 19:41 Marine50 wrote:On November 15 2009 20:17 RowdierBob wrote:
Anyone know -Incognito- and how I can get in touch with him? From other thread. On October 14 2009 09:03 Raiju wrote:
Cogs will play for NSW.
-incognito-
He doesn't have a rank atm tho. Who is Cogs Raiju? Cogs is -incognito-
Is that his TL name too?
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Hey,
Could PerfectHydra Please contact me.
Im cool to play my games this week some time.
Thanks
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I had my match already with Zpo. I won but haven't sent in the replay yet. So to who and how do i send it?
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lol "arvo"
you can tell this is an aussie thread
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On November 19 2009 13:19 peanutter wrote:
I had my match already with Zpo. I won but haven't sent in the replay yet. So to who and how do i send it?
Your against me peanutter!
edit: Send it to del's email address: iccup.del@gmail.com
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Ahhh crap pred, I forgot to come online. Are you free tomorrow at any time?
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OK I am pretty much back with internet now, thanks everyone for keeping it going - can anyone update me on everything? Or anything interesting? Updates to the brackets?
Also PureKnight let me know when we can discuss some of this stuff n_n
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IMPORTANT : SAWA Tournament note:
Koven said he forfeits his match vs Peavey[auto], so therefore -
PeaVey goes on to play Su)FighT.
Matt, on Iccup, add su)fight, and i'll PM you his msn on TL.
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On November 22 2009 21:42 Lurgee wrote:
Ahhh crap pred, I forgot to come online. Are you free tomorrow at any time?
HEY I WILL MSG YOU ON X-TORPID THIS WEEKEND IF YOUR ON. LET ME KNOW WHAT TIME HERE. Sat or Sun.
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should we have another "set time" for a meetup, so we know who is actually still in this? haha
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hey guys, i agree with raiju now, most exams are over and you are all fucking slow STILL. This thread is even more inactive..
Try and at least post somewhere about what your plans are for the tourney.
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pretty sure his name is 'raiju'
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Yeh thanks, i typo in a serious message and you ignore the message and point it out. . Thanks k-z.
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On November 28 2009 15:20 Camlito wrote:
hey guys, i agree with raiju now, most exams are over and you are all fucking slow STILL. This thread is even more inactive..
Try and at least post somewhere about what your plans are for the tourney.
Quality post.
Get it together people! Play your games, finish this seeding tourney and get on with the State of Origin.
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On November 28 2009 15:53 Marine50 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2009 15:20 Camlito wrote:
Hey guys, i agree with raiju now, most exams are over and you are all fucking slow STILL. This thread is even more inactive..
Try and at least post somewhere about what your plans are for the tourney. Quality post. Get it together people! Play your games, finish this seeding tourney and get on with the State of Origin.
:D Start the revolution!
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Don't bother playing the rest of the tourney - we are already in the process of deciding teams BASED ON ICCUP RANK AND THESE TOURNAMENT RESULTS SO FAR. They will be declared this weekend in a post.
Also included in the post will be instructions, guidelines, rules, etc. to be posted Monday or sooner everything going to plan.
I am looking at getting it started next weekend and completing two rounds before the completion of the iCCup season - from there it can be played on bnet if there is a delay in the new season otherwise it is a brief break until the new season starts.
Really no one has said if they want to be captain or not aside from Cam, so PK and myself are designating you captain and a co-captain or vice-captain for this week until someone puts their hand up who is competent.
Can tell you now (not official as I have not discussed with PK - give your opinions about it):
- Captain organises the time and lineup for the team submitted by email or PM to me AND PureKnight.
- There is no official forum for it yet as it's hard to get people online, but we can use TL.net if the admins put up with our constant bumping.
- Format will be similar to the old proleague, with four 1v1 games and one 2v2 game all best-of-three and the maps for that round will apply to the first game in the series only - from there the loser picks from the map pool. Note that the format may change some time but this is the first instance of the competition and probably won't be perfect first time around.
- Normal iCCup rules apply.
- Regarding random, you may choose to play as 'random' (your opponent will know your race before the game) but when you turn up you just pick a race before the game starts.
- Regarding race-picking, you may race-pick a matchup but tell us before the match - don't be a Z player and turn up and then go hey guys actually I play TvZ.
- Teams will be 6 players in the A-Team and between 4 and 8 in the B-Team. There will be a captain for the B-Team too. When submitting lineups (see outline below) you will also submit two 'replacement' players, the second of which is from the B-Team if necessary when players do not show up as will sometimes be the case. There will be 5 teams - two from VIC. Note that this is not final and if we find it doesn't work seems unfair, the comp goes too long, or whatever we can add NZ later or expand the B-Team competition.
- Duration of the competition will span 5 weeks (4 teams playing 2 matches a week, one team gets a BYE, 1 week for finals), in round-robin format.
- The Finals will be played between the top 3 teams at the end of the round-robin competition. A preliminary final will pit the 2nd and 3rd teams against each other in a BO7 (all 6 players 1v1 and a 2v2) and they will then play the top of the group in the final (again BO7). The eventual overall winners will play Team Evil Geniuses in a showmatch!
- B-Teams will also play a competition of the same format as above for your chance to prove your worth to the A-Team, get some practice, make friends and also brag for your state team! B-Team members will be 'shadow' members for the A-Team, filling in if there are several no-shows and the A-Team is down by one player. Who gets to play is governed by who is online at the time.
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OK talking to PK about it tomorrow at lunch time but I will still try and get some rules posted up tonight n_n
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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Regarding random, you may choose to play as 'random' (your opponent will know your race before the game) but when you turn up you just pick a race before the game starts.
- Regarding race-picking, you may race-pick a matchup but tell us before the match - don't be a Z player and turn up and then go hey guys actually I play TvZ.
Can there be more clarity on these two?
If you go 'random' when do you tell your opponent what race you are?
If it's any time before the game starts, shouldn't we just all be 'random' ? and then pick whatever race we feel like when the game is about to start?
If its when teams are decided, then doesn't that make the option of 'random' redundant since you need to pick one of the 3 races anyway?
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On December 01 2009 21:45 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Regarding random, you may choose to play as 'random' (your opponent will know your race before the game) but when you turn up you just pick a race before the game starts.
- Regarding race-picking, you may race-pick a matchup but tell us before the match - don't be a Z player and turn up and then go hey guys actually I play TvZ.
Can there be more clarity on these two?
If you go 'random' when do you tell your opponent what race you are?
If it's any time before the game starts, shouldn't we just be 'random' ? and then pick whatever race we feel like when the game is about to start?
If its when teams are decided, then doesn't that make the option of 'random' redundant since you need to pick one of the 3 races anyway?
It means that you can say oi im playing as a random but when it comes to game time you have to pick a race, its random without the gayness of random
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On December 01 2009 21:48 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2009 21:45 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Regarding random, you may choose to play as 'random' (your opponent will know your race before the game) but when you turn up you just pick a race before the game starts.
- Regarding race-picking, you may race-pick a matchup but tell us before the match - don't be a Z player and turn up and then go hey guys actually I play TvZ.
Can there be more clarity on these two?
If you go 'random' when do you tell your opponent what race you are?
If it's any time before the game starts, shouldn't we just be 'random' ? and then pick whatever race we feel like when the game is about to start?
If its when teams are decided, then doesn't that make the option of 'random' redundant since you need to pick one of the 3 races anyway? It means that you can say oi im playing as a random but when it comes to game time you have to pick a race, its random without the gayness of random
Thats what i mean, isn't the point of picking a race moot then?
we should just all go 'random', even if we only play one race. Just to be a dick and make it harder for the opponent to work out what race to practice against.
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On December 01 2009 21:53 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2009 21:48 Scaramanga wrote:On December 01 2009 21:45 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Regarding random, you may choose to play as 'random' (your opponent will know your race before the game) but when you turn up you just pick a race before the game starts.
- Regarding race-picking, you may race-pick a matchup but tell us before the match - don't be a Z player and turn up and then go hey guys actually I play TvZ.
Can there be more clarity on these two?
If you go 'random' when do you tell your opponent what race you are?
If it's any time before the game starts, shouldn't we just be 'random' ? and then pick whatever race we feel like when the game is about to start?
If its when teams are decided, then doesn't that make the option of 'random' redundant since you need to pick one of the 3 races anyway? It means that you can say oi im playing as a random but when it comes to game time you have to pick a race, its random without the gayness of random Thats what i mean, isn't the point of picking a race moot then? we should just all go 'random', even if we only play one race. Just to be a dick and make it harder for the opponent to work out what race to practice against.
Do that then
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2009 21:54 Scaramanga wrote:On December 01 2009 21:53 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2009 21:48 Scaramanga wrote:On December 01 2009 21:45 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Regarding random, you may choose to play as 'random' (your opponent will know your race before the game) but when you turn up you just pick a race before the game starts.
- Regarding race-picking, you may race-pick a matchup but tell us before the match - don't be a Z player and turn up and then go hey guys actually I play TvZ.
Can there be more clarity on these two?
If you go 'random' when do you tell your opponent what race you are?
If it's any time before the game starts, shouldn't we just be 'random' ? and then pick whatever race we feel like when the game is about to start?
If its when teams are decided, then doesn't that make the option of 'random' redundant since you need to pick one of the 3 races anyway? It means that you can say oi im playing as a random but when it comes to game time you have to pick a race, its random without the gayness of random Thats what i mean, isn't the point of picking a race moot then? we should just all go 'random', even if we only play one race. Just to be a dick and make it harder for the opponent to work out what race to practice against. Do that then
I agree, we should all be 'random' and be allowed to choose any race at the start of any game
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