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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-25 19:53:37
October 25 2009 19:53 GMT
#1001
On October 26 2009 04:47 RamenStyle wrote:
Omg JD.... what the hell is with you?


Jaedong slumping? >.<

On the other hand, this thread has reached the 1000th post and over half of those posts are about one game lol. Boxer is magical.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
October 25 2009 19:57 GMT
#1002
On October 26 2009 04:53 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 04:47 RamenStyle wrote:
Omg JD.... what the hell is with you?


Jaedong slumping? >.<

On the other hand, this thread has reached the 1000th post and over half of those posts are about one game lol. Boxer is magical.

boxer is the universe
cw)minsean(ru
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
October 25 2009 19:57 GMT
#1003
Jaedong...?! Got hyuked with mirror builds, maybe his hand-eye coordination suffered somehow? SC won't be the same w/o JD unique mutalisks.
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
October 25 2009 19:59 GMT
#1004
Magic84, your sig is terribly terribly out of place here.
White-Ra fighting!
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
October 25 2009 20:03 GMT
#1005
Ill wait till OSL and MSL finals with such statement, and going 1-2 early in the season doesn't necessary mean that he won't finish with best win/lose PL ratio at the end.
Its Jaedong afterall, we all know what he's capable of.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 25 2009 20:05 GMT
#1006
On October 26 2009 04:59 m3rciless wrote:
Magic84, your sig is terribly terribly out of place here.

Haha! Good observation!

+ Show Spoiler +
Mini-slump aside though, Jaedong is still the best player in the world.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
October 25 2009 20:09 GMT
#1007
On October 26 2009 05:03 Itachii wrote:
Ill wait till OSL and MSL finals with such statement, and going 1-2 early in the season doesn't necessary mean that he won't finish with best win/lose PL ratio at the end.


last season, bisu won this category by a large margin..... because his team relis so heavily on him, jaedong has to play way too many ace matches against other top players to get the best winratio, thats pretty much impossible.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
October 25 2009 20:19 GMT
#1008
Are there going to be translations?
Moktira is da bomb
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
October 25 2009 20:20 GMT
#1009
On October 26 2009 01:23 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 01:14 Aresien wrote:
On October 26 2009 01:07 Seiuchi wrote:
I know Boxer won and all, but that game was such an awful and terribly played game. It was night and day switching from that to Flash v Savior and seeing a Terran who could execute well and didn't squander away leads doing bizarre things.


This is because Boxer makes his games entertaining.

Boxer may not be the master of mechanical execution but his strategic mind was alive as it ever was in that game. Don't get me wrong, I love Flash too and he is un-doubtedly the best Terran around but don't diss Boxer when infact it was a very good (and well thought out) game.



Boxer didn't do anything particularly strategic. Killer got his third rolled because of poor control and mispositioning his army, and then he suicided his whole Lurkerling force into Tanks. I understand people like the use of nukes, but it was generally a standard game that was poorly played by both sides.

Is upgrading cloak, then canceling as the overlord sees it then restarting the upgrade after the overlord is dead not strategic? Killer obviously saw the canceled cloak and figured Boxer would give up on the wraiths which left him so vulnerable.
Also, poorly played? Is the double hatch snipe poor play? Killer had Defilers and a control group of lings at that base, he just couldn't possible predict that Boxer would run in so many Firebats and rape him even with swarm.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 25 2009 20:34 GMT
#1010
On October 26 2009 05:20 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 01:23 Seiuchi wrote:
On October 26 2009 01:14 Aresien wrote:
On October 26 2009 01:07 Seiuchi wrote:
I know Boxer won and all, but that game was such an awful and terribly played game. It was night and day switching from that to Flash v Savior and seeing a Terran who could execute well and didn't squander away leads doing bizarre things.


This is because Boxer makes his games entertaining.

Boxer may not be the master of mechanical execution but his strategic mind was alive as it ever was in that game. Don't get me wrong, I love Flash too and he is un-doubtedly the best Terran around but don't diss Boxer when infact it was a very good (and well thought out) game.



Boxer didn't do anything particularly strategic. Killer got his third rolled because of poor control and mispositioning his army, and then he suicided his whole Lurkerling force into Tanks. I understand people like the use of nukes, but it was generally a standard game that was poorly played by both sides.

Is upgrading cloak, then canceling as the overlord sees it then restarting the upgrade after the overlord is dead not strategic? Killer obviously saw the canceled cloak and figured Boxer would give up on the wraiths which left him so vulnerable.
Also, poorly played? Is the double hatch snipe poor play? Killer had Defilers and a control group of lings at that base, he just couldn't possible predict that Boxer would run in so many Firebats and rape him even with swarm.

Us V-Tec players have been doing that for year...

(I wonder how many here are old school enough to get the reference, and no I don't mean Virginia Tech)
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
October 25 2009 20:42 GMT
#1011
On October 26 2009 05:20 Chen wrote:
Is upgrading cloak, then canceling as the overlord sees it then restarting the upgrade after the overlord is dead not strategic? Killer obviously saw the canceled cloak and figured Boxer would give up on the wraiths which left him so vulnerable.
Also, poorly played? Is the double hatch snipe poor play? Killer had Defilers and a control group of lings at that base, he just couldn't possible predict that Boxer would run in so many Firebats and rape him even with swarm.


Well the hatch snipe had to do with Killer's army positioning. The reason people don't use firebats most of the time is because lurkers own them but Killer didn't have any lurkers burrowed in between Boxer's army and his hatch.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
October 25 2009 20:47 GMT
#1012
On October 26 2009 05:34 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 05:20 Chen wrote:
On October 26 2009 01:23 Seiuchi wrote:
On October 26 2009 01:14 Aresien wrote:
On October 26 2009 01:07 Seiuchi wrote:
I know Boxer won and all, but that game was such an awful and terribly played game. It was night and day switching from that to Flash v Savior and seeing a Terran who could execute well and didn't squander away leads doing bizarre things.


This is because Boxer makes his games entertaining.

Boxer may not be the master of mechanical execution but his strategic mind was alive as it ever was in that game. Don't get me wrong, I love Flash too and he is un-doubtedly the best Terran around but don't diss Boxer when infact it was a very good (and well thought out) game.



Boxer didn't do anything particularly strategic. Killer got his third rolled because of poor control and mispositioning his army, and then he suicided his whole Lurkerling force into Tanks. I understand people like the use of nukes, but it was generally a standard game that was poorly played by both sides.

Is upgrading cloak, then canceling as the overlord sees it then restarting the upgrade after the overlord is dead not strategic? Killer obviously saw the canceled cloak and figured Boxer would give up on the wraiths which left him so vulnerable.
Also, poorly played? Is the double hatch snipe poor play? Killer had Defilers and a control group of lings at that base, he just couldn't possible predict that Boxer would run in so many Firebats and rape him even with swarm.

Us V-Tec players have been doing that for year...

(I wonder how many here are old school enough to get the reference, and no I don't mean Virginia Tech)


ROFL yeah I remember that. Soo many posts made fun of that for years
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
October 25 2009 21:14 GMT
#1013
Not only Killer got owned and mind fucked, but his team was also morally destroyed, i mean look at this haha

[image loading]
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
ssj114
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Afghanistan461 Posts
October 25 2009 21:18 GMT
#1014
Where can we watch the videos? Thanks.
Sandboxie + SUA + DEP, Windows Firewall + NAT Router
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-25 21:20:30
October 25 2009 21:19 GMT
#1015
On October 26 2009 06:14 Itachii wrote:
Not only Killer got owned and mind fucked, but his team was also morally destroyed, i mean look at this haha

[image loading]

lol i knew someone would make fun of this shot. I was watching the VOD, and the moment I saw that scene I was like "lol this shot is too good to be missed by TLers" ...

VODs are available @ Jon747's youtube account. Just go to youtube.com and search for his name, it will lead you to his collection of awesomeness. Too lazy to post the actual link :3
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 25 2009 22:00 GMT
#1016
On October 26 2009 01:56 Holgerius wrote:
Some people seem to think that Boxer did something super innovative, but he just did the Fake Mech build that has been used by Oov, Fantasy and Canata before him and adapted to what Killer was doing. Normally Fake Mech includes Valkyries, but since he scouted no mutas were incoming he didn't have to go for that and went for cloaked wraiths for harassment instead.

I'm not taking anything away from Boxer, though. He had a great game from a strategical viewpoint and made all the correct adaptions.

haha "Fantasy build" is becoming like "Bisu build". What would count as "super innovative" to you? Using a unit that no one has ever used before? Also, Boxer used valks before fantasy and canata (in GOM), and oov? He hasn't even played any time recently.

In other news, 51 pages for a match that only went 3 games... wow.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
October 25 2009 22:09 GMT
#1017
On October 26 2009 04:47 RamenStyle wrote:
Omg JD.... what the hell is with you?

He's just showing his true self.

Hyuk hyuk hyuk hyuk!
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 25 2009 22:21 GMT
#1018
On October 26 2009 07:00 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 01:56 Holgerius wrote:
Some people seem to think that Boxer did something super innovative, but he just did the Fake Mech build that has been used by Oov, Fantasy and Canata before him and adapted to what Killer was doing. Normally Fake Mech includes Valkyries, but since he scouted no mutas were incoming he didn't have to go for that and went for cloaked wraiths for harassment instead.

I'm not taking anything away from Boxer, though. He had a great game from a strategical viewpoint and made all the correct adaptions.

haha "Fantasy build" is becoming like "Bisu build". What would count as "super innovative" to you? Using a unit that no one has ever used before? Also, Boxer used valks before fantasy and canata (in GOM), and oov? He hasn't even played any time recently.

In other news, 51 pages for a match that only went 3 games... wow.

I'm not saying Boxer is not innovative, he's a genius. Your point about him using Valks before them has got nothing to do with my point. My point was that the build and overall strategy he used today was nothing new. It's been around for a while.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
October 25 2009 22:49 GMT
#1019
On October 26 2009 05:34 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 05:20 Chen wrote:
On October 26 2009 01:23 Seiuchi wrote:
On October 26 2009 01:14 Aresien wrote:
On October 26 2009 01:07 Seiuchi wrote:
I know Boxer won and all, but that game was such an awful and terribly played game. It was night and day switching from that to Flash v Savior and seeing a Terran who could execute well and didn't squander away leads doing bizarre things.


This is because Boxer makes his games entertaining.

Boxer may not be the master of mechanical execution but his strategic mind was alive as it ever was in that game. Don't get me wrong, I love Flash too and he is un-doubtedly the best Terran around but don't diss Boxer when infact it was a very good (and well thought out) game.



Boxer didn't do anything particularly strategic. Killer got his third rolled because of poor control and mispositioning his army, and then he suicided his whole Lurkerling force into Tanks. I understand people like the use of nukes, but it was generally a standard game that was poorly played by both sides.

Is upgrading cloak, then canceling as the overlord sees it then restarting the upgrade after the overlord is dead not strategic? Killer obviously saw the canceled cloak and figured Boxer would give up on the wraiths which left him so vulnerable.
Also, poorly played? Is the double hatch snipe poor play? Killer had Defilers and a control group of lings at that base, he just couldn't possible predict that Boxer would run in so many Firebats and rape him even with swarm.

Us V-Tec players have been doing that for year...

(I wonder how many here are old school enough to get the reference, and no I don't mean Virginia Tech)

ROFL

Who was the original person who said that?
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
October 25 2009 23:20 GMT
#1020
Anyone think Killer gged too early? I mean, it was still 3 vs 3 bases at that point.
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