EPT[SPL] SK Telecom T1 vs Hwaseung OZ - Page 49
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Second time boxer nukes him right? Lol | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Hey, there's no need for verbal abuse.  In what way am I pathetic? | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On October 26 2009 01:14 Aresien wrote: This is because Boxer makes his games entertaining. Boxer may not be the master of mechanical execution but his strategic mind was alive as it ever was in that game. Don't get me wrong, I love Flash too and he is un-doubtedly the best Terran around but don't diss Boxer when infact it was a very good (and well thought out) game. Boxer didn't do anything particularly strategic. Killer got his third rolled because of poor control and mispositioning his army, and then he suicided his whole Lurkerling force into Tanks. I understand people like the use of nukes, but it was generally a standard game that was poorly played by both sides. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9033 Posts
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
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MooCow
1434 Posts
On October 26 2009 01:20 FrozenArbiter wrote: Poor baxter. Second time boxer nukes him right? Lol Yea, the first time Boxer nuked him was on GomTV lol ^^ http://www.gomtv.net/classics2/vod/305 | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
The funniest part was afterwards when they camara panned the OZ bench. SOOOOOOOOO dejected haha | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
On October 26 2009 01:23 Seiuchi wrote: Boxer didn't do anything particularly strategic. Killer got his third rolled because of poor control and mispositioning his army, and then he suicided his whole Lurkerling force into Tanks. I understand people like the use of nukes, but it was generally a standard game that was poorly played by both sides. Nerd. Boxer's overproduction of firebats represented not a lucky exploitation of Killer's failure to defend his third, but a carefully thought out ploy. Boxer knew that zergs rely on swarm to defend their expos. Also, his vulture use was top notch. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
The thing I didn't understand is why didn't Killer upgrade overlord speed? If he assumed Boxer was going 2 port, shouldn't he have got that as well? Or did I just misinterpret everything that happened? | ||
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Aresien
United Kingdom305 Posts
On October 26 2009 01:23 Seiuchi wrote: Boxer didn't do anything particularly strategic. Killer got his third rolled because of poor control and mispositioning his army, and then he suicided his whole Lurkerling force into Tanks. I understand people like the use of nukes, but it was generally a standard game that was poorly played by both sides. Ok I wanna see the games you're watching to think that was standard. (2 fac or 2 port I could kind of see where you're coming from, still not standard but yes. 1 fac tanks 1 port/fake 2port cloaked wraith in to firebat heavy bio?) I'll happily admit Killer did at some points micro quite poorly (as did Boxer losing small groups of MnM for no reason) but you can not say that game wasn't strategic. Boxer's play has always been heavily psychological and deceptive (look at his game vs Hiya on Bluestorm for a brilliant example) and this game was another of his well thought out games. Everything he did in this game had a purpose, whether it was the wraiths to confuse/throw Killer off or the firebats/tanks to abuse Killers reliance on swarm. In the end though it was the most entertaining match i've seen for the past year (bar maybe Fantasy vs Stork or Fantasy vs Jaedong) which is all that Boxer tries to deliver. | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
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Soulforged
Latvia935 Posts
I think a lot relied on Boxer's first wraith - he had to repair bunker from hydra fire and place 2nd bunker just in case, but if wraith'd go on hunting ovies, hydras'd be forced back. Thing is, if you switch tech like crazy, sooner or later it can catch the opponent off-guard. Really like Boxer's fpview though. It's not just crazy speed, looked like his mouse sensitivity was on max and he still had immediate and perfect precision when targeting lurks. | ||
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Aresien
United Kingdom305 Posts
On October 26 2009 01:47 m3rciless wrote: poster before me forgot up vs lux. That game was awesome. My bad, that game was the sex. I wanted the other guy to win though . | ||
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idortlol
United States13 Posts
Boxer vs. Killer: Easily the best match of the evening. Very entertaining and fun to watch the HOLY TERRAN EMPEROR walk all over a zerg player. As I said last night in IRC, however, Boxer did only win because Killer played so poorly. At one point Killer did have a significant advantage over Boxer, but threw it away after launching half his army into vulture mines. If Killer stepped it up a bit Boxer may have had a run for his money. Bisu vs. PerfectMan: Nothing really to say here except that PerfectMan was completely and utterly off his game. Bisu is Bisu, and Bisu Bisu'd P-Man good. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
I'm not taking anything away from Boxer, though. He had a great game from a strategical viewpoint and made all the correct adaptions. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
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Aresien
United Kingdom305 Posts
On October 26 2009 01:56 Holgerius wrote: Some people seem to think that Boxer did something super innovative, but he just did the Fake Mech build that has been used by Oov, Fantasy and Canata before him and adapted to what Killer was doing. Normally Fake Mech includes Valkyries, but since he scouted no mutas were incoming he didn't have to go for that and went for cloaked wraiths for harassment instead. I'm not taking anything away from Boxer, though. He had a great game from a strategical viewpoint and made all the correct adaptions. I guess this is what I think really. I was just being a bit extreme because I wasn't having it that Boxer was just being insulted when it was a good game  . | ||
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Ethelis
United States2397 Posts
On October 26 2009 02:00 disciple wrote: on the other hand the zvz is such a commonly played match up in the last couple of seasons. how long did you think it would take the other guys to study and catch up Jaedong ? Not that he became worse, I think the majority of the zerg players just became better a player can only go so far mechanically, if JD had a BO loss cause of him being studied a lot i would incline to agree. hyuk simply out micro'd him, simple as that edit: how does hyuk's apm look compared to jaedong's? its not exactly an accurate representation of mechanics but im curious now. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
1. Expand. 2. MnM 3. Turrets 4. Tanks 5. Vessels. 6. Move out 7. Win Boxer's play: 1. 4 SCVs 2. ... 3. NUKE?!?!?!?!????!?!? No doubt that you may find sloppy moves by the Emperor here and there. But let's see, he's almost 30, he wasn't playing at the highest competitive level of Starcraft for about 2 years due to military service, and he's way past his prime. Still, his games have never been about perfect execution or solid management anyway, instead they are filled with moments of brilliance, of epicness, as a result of superb strategic thinking (or sometimes, mindfucks). That's why people remember many Boxer's games, because in each of them, there is an unforgettable moment. Seriously though, if you prefer watching a perfect mechanical play, by all means look up Flash's games. But if you're into SUPER DUPER MEGA ORGASMIC EXCITEMENT, Boxer has it all. Edit: On a side note, 50 pages of LR for non-playoff game of Proleague. It could only be Boxer. | ||
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