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Netherlands6142 Posts
On Monday the 21st of September 2009, Shauni was the first to enter the Team Liquid Arena. Now that the dust has settled we present to you the replays:
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Results:+ Show Spoiler + Shauni < Andromeda > never_Nal Handicap: No Storm Shauni < Gaia > Nevuk ® Handicaps: No Storm, Gateway Cap. Shauni < God's Garden > ZergZoul Handicaps: No Storm, Gateway Cap, No Sound. Shauni < Tau Cross > tyr Handicaps: No Storm, Gateway Cap, No Sound, No Obs. Shauni < Neo Medusa > JonsaBoy Handicaps: No Storm, Gateway Cap, No Sound, No Obs, No Rally. Shauni < Fantasy II > TSL-Alur Handicaps: No Storm, Gateway Cap, No Sounds, No Obs, No Rally, No Zealots. Shauni < Neo Harmony > Iamdisco ® Handicaps: No Storm, Gateway Cap, No Sounds, No Obs, No Rally, No Zealots, No Forge Ups. Shauni < Roadrunner > Peeano ®
I just wanna take this space to thank Plexa, Scara, deL, Carnac, Divra, Manifesto, Bill307, Kennigit and pachi for their help, advise, support and giving us a gay sex vent channel. Big thanks to Shauni for being our hero, to all the guys who played and all the volunteers who helped us when ICC started fucking up. Music was "Into the Arena" by Masterplan. Oh and Lemonwalrus helped too.
Please use this topic for any feedback and critisism. We had a great time doing this, thx for tuning in! 
Don't read this: + Show Spoiler +Hello Pholon,
Thank you for contacting us and we appreciate the feedback as always. We had seen multiple network issues this past weekend from late Saturday afternoon to early Sunday Morning (EST). These issues included failed recordings and the inability to connect to some Livestream Channels and Livestream Studios. Unfortunately, the recordings created during this disruption could cannot be recovered.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused and are taking the necessary methods on our end to ensure that this does not happen again.
Should you have any additional questions or would like to voice your concerns, please feel free to contact me.
Best Regards,
Random Livestream person 
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It was pretty cool, but as has been stated many many times, the mic volume needs some serious scaling and tweaking. Pholon was much louder than LeperKahn (at least while I was watching).
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hahaha awesome, thanks for the up. looking forward to seeing how shauni managed to beat a zerg with no zealots and no forge
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Can't wait for reps :D
Feel sorry for the guy who went first. Pretty convenient so many Dutchies got to play, though...
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Finland1714 Posts
i had a great time watching it, thanks. some soundproblems and iccup trying to prevent this from happening wasn't enough for it to be not enjoyable ;p+ Show Spoiler + once again congrats to Shauni!
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Netherlands6142 Posts
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the idea is totally awesome, games were a bit dissapointing though, the players were wayyyy too bad. Ofc the idea is for them to be worse but being able to stand a chance due to handicap.... but some of these players, oh my god :p
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Maybe you could host a D tourney for people who want to participate and you choose the participants from the highest rankings down to make sure they are not D---. n_n
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The players should get progressively better just like ff7. I say try to get like an A- or A player to do it and have the opponents go all the way up to B rank. But the concept is still fucking brilliant. Great job guys.
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Woah, not only did Shauni win, but he can time travel to the future as well.
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On September 21 2009 09:13 iCCup.deL wrote:
Maybe you could host a D tourney for people who want to participate and you choose the participants from the highest rankings down to make sure they are not D---. n_n
That'd be freakin great! I would take part for sure.
(copied from the other thread: )
Great event, hope to see part 2 soon. But here are a few things to look for:
- Make sure you have all the maps
- If you're doing double comentating make sure that both of you are loud enough
- If you choose Ret as next challenger plz force him somehow to stream himself. Double Vision would be great =)
- Maybe rebuild the randomize map in 8 steps:
first trigger for step 1 (easy) - no sound, no upgrades etc.
step 2 (more challanging) - no ralleys etc.
step 3 even harder etc.
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up to trigger 8 (ultra hard) - Ally AI, first worker kill etc.
- to make it more exiting let player with higher ranks play the last games
Nevertheless, I fully enjoyed it
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I want to know how shauni was able to kill a zerg w/o storm or zealots. Basically mass goons/air, which hydra/ling should pwn. Unless he went sair/reaver or sair/dt...
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The Zerg should have 5 pooled + attack with 6 lings and 4 workers... for the swarm!
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On September 21 2009 09:25 dhe95 wrote:
I want to know how shauni was able to kill a zerg w/o storm or zealots. Basically mass goons/air, which hydra/ling should pwn. Unless he went sair/reaver or sair/dt...
+ Show Spoiler +He went sair/reaver into carriers.
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On September 21 2009 09:37 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2009 09:25 dhe95 wrote:
I want to know how shauni was able to kill a zerg w/o storm or zealots. Basically mass goons/air, which hydra/ling should pwn. Unless he went sair/reaver or sair/dt... + Show Spoiler +He went sair/reaver into carriers.
Yeah I watched the rep. + Show Spoiler +Also the zerg opened with lurkers which counters zealots... the unit that shauni isn't allowed to make
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I dunno, none of the players really seemed like they were that bad, every one of them had 90 eapm +, and most were 100+, several having above 130+ . Shauni just honestly played really well, although the lower ranked players made some random mistakes, that's kind of what makes them lower ranked. A C+ player would probably have stood a very good chance from the 6 gateway max cap on. Drawing no sound/ no forge ups probably helped a bit.
Edit : With that said, he never played any C players, I don't think. C- was highest.
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United States4796 Posts
Can I help commentate next one?
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I don't get why all the T's tried to 2 fac if they got that far, though.
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I cannot comprehend how a D+ or higher terran player can lose to someone who can't make obs, zealots, and has a gateway cap.
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Um, is game 7 the wrong one? The one I have is 30 seconds long. I remember hearing about clearing a minefield with mass dts, don't see it in this, just them saying "wrong map".
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did the zergs know that protoss can't make zealots and obs and all that shit? 4 pool zergling contain into lurker drops
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On September 21 2009 10:06 Polyphasic wrote:
did the zergs know that protoss can't make zealots and obs and all that shit? 4 pool zergling contain into lurker drops
straight lurker hydra ling seems like it would be very strong to me..
as noobsofwraith said i cant imagine a terran losing to a toss who has to basically go mass goons off 6 gates either..
but..
that game on tau
+ Show Spoiler +
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this event seems so weird to me, people volunteering to look like complete morons =/ i cant even comprehend the last one, no zealots and all that other stuff and still lost..oh my
hope everyone had fun at least 0o
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On September 21 2009 10:32 inertinept wrote:
this event seems so weird to me, people volunteering to look like complete morons =/ i cant even comprehend the last one, no zealots and all that other stuff and still lost..oh my
hope everyone had fun at least 0o
i think your last sentence would answer your ponderings on why people who even participate in this event.
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this was so much fun to watch! we need to get ret for the next one! =D
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Thanks guys! It really was a treat to be able to do this. Pholon is a lot of fun to cast with. I really apologize for all the technical stuff. My computer has never freaked out so much!
I'm glad that we got through the first episode and hopefully we can come up with a few more exciting opponents next time. That being said the people who played today did great!
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United States3241 Posts
How did that guy win the last match with so many handicaps..
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United States10774 Posts
On September 21 2009 11:09 l10f wrote:
How did that guy win the last match with so many handicaps..
reaver/sair avoids all the handicaps. it was pretty easy because his opponent was zerg
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I liked the event a lot, and I thought the idea was pretty awesome, but the player quality was pretty subpar, a lot of these guys just died in the first 5 min due to not doing proper bos or wall ins, and noone really abused the handicaps properly, better players C- to C+ will help make it more exciting and fun. Also noone could actually hear leperkahn, infact pholons echo was louder than leperkahns voice, so it was just basically pholon solo with silence, turning up the game volume would be better too. Otherwise its a brilliant idea, and hopefully its even better next time.
PS: trashtalk helps from every side, the player himself, the commentators, and the players facing the player, it helps make boring matches a lot more fun and exciting. If trash talk can make COmbat EX vs Chill extremely entertaining, it sure would help here.
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no vods?
anyway look forward to watching the reps!
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Calgary25987 Posts
What the fuck? How did he win with those restrictions?
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Loved the premise of the event, hopefully next time you can do it with more difficult handicaps and better fodder!
Also mentioned was the vent / commentator volume control.
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On September 21 2009 09:45 dhe95 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2009 09:37 Nevuk wrote:On September 21 2009 09:25 dhe95 wrote:
I want to know how shauni was able to kill a zerg w/o storm or zealots. Basically mass goons/air, which hydra/ling should pwn. Unless he went sair/reaver or sair/dt... + Show Spoiler +He went sair/reaver into carriers. Yeah I watched the rep. + Show Spoiler +Also the zerg opened with lurkers which counters zealots... the unit that shauni isn't allowed to make
+ Show Spoiler +Lurkers are kinda powerful when your opponent can't make obs.
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Really great event, hope you guys do more episodes :D
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game 7 in the replay pack is a wrong replay ><
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On Monday the 21st of December 2009,
Typo in the OP.
Very neat idea, and I agree, the challengers should get progressively better.
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On September 21 2009 13:47 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2009 09:45 dhe95 wrote:On September 21 2009 09:37 Nevuk wrote:On September 21 2009 09:25 dhe95 wrote:
I want to know how shauni was able to kill a zerg w/o storm or zealots. Basically mass goons/air, which hydra/ling should pwn. Unless he went sair/reaver or sair/dt... + Show Spoiler +He went sair/reaver into carriers. Yeah I watched the rep. + Show Spoiler +Also the zerg opened with lurkers which counters zealots... the unit that shauni isn't allowed to make + Show Spoiler +Lurkers are kinda powerful when your opponent can't make obs.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On September 21 2009 13:21 Chill wrote:
What the fuck? How did he win with those restrictions?
He played really aggressive for the ones I watched (like winning with early goons vs Terran) and a lot of those restrictions didn't hurt him so much vs the race he was playing (like no storm PvP/PVT). I think his plan was to win before gateways cap/no upgrades/no obs would matter. No idea how he won without Storm, Obs, Upgrades or Zealots PvZ though.
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United States10774 Posts
On September 21 2009 14:53 Strayline wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2009 13:21 Chill wrote:
What the fuck? How did he win with those restrictions? He played really aggressive for the ones I watched (like winning with early goons vs Terran) and a lot of those restrictions didn't hurt him so much vs the race he was playing (like no storm PvP/PVT). I think his plan was to win before gateways cap/no upgrades/no obs would matter. No idea how he won without Storm, Obs, Upgrades or Zealots PvZ though.
no obs pvp is pretty damn difficult haha
the last pvz is pretty easy
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Updated OP (reppack) BUMP
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Oh great now it will take me another 14 hours to download it
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wow.. all those handicaps and he still owned ^ ^
nicely done shauni!
This seems like an interesting idea!
I like some of the handicaps, like only being able to use 6 gates, or the worker suicide thing, which would prolly slow down someone a lot.
I wonder how well the game went when Shauni wasn't allowed to get obs and he faced a Protoss user. musta been some mass dt's in that game ;o
looking forward to the next arena
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Oh man that's so embarrassing.
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Netherlands5185 Posts
I'm sorry I dropped, my internet got cut off... Obviously I was raped but it's shame I didn't get to say gg live
I had a good time though, looking forward to the next TL-Arena!
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I want my revenge in the next TL Arena.
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Fix the sound so we can hear both, the sound was so fucked up it gave me a headache. Learn how to correctly pronounce the 'heroes' name. Make it so you don't have to rehost the randomizer map.
It was fun to watch... Just not to listen to.
edit: And have all the maps downloaded.
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Geee, look at those handicaps... lol 
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How did that Zerg lose? I'm a little horrified...
Gfg Shauni, nice work!
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On September 21 2009 20:42 MutaDoom wrote:
How did that Zerg lose? I'm a little horrified...
Gfg Shauni, nice work!
He dropped out of the game.
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It was so fun haha, even though i played my worst game ever, seriously, its not worth the watch, my 2 gate fail miserably cause i a-move the wrong place on the minimap. So embarrassing, but I'd play next time too, it was really fun. Great idea
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On September 21 2009 14:10 iSiN wrote:
game 7 in the replay pack is a wrong replay ><
I uploaded it manually
http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=21382
And for you who said that they died far too easily, an A- player will win quite easily even against a C+/B- player, the skill level is quite big even when it's just a few ranks. I was a bit nervous in the PvP on medusa when I had the no obs handicap. I realized I had to pressure him with mass zealots because if he was allowed to tech to dts lategame would be such a pain without observers, storm and gateway cap...
It feels like some of them focused too much on using the handicaps to their advantage - falling short because their builds wasn't very refined, like rushing for lurkers or mass vultures/mines thinking the units would win the game automatically...
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I dont know how to do the replays, the comp asked which format it should be placed in, I choose "starcraft" placed it in the replay folder still cant see it, any help?
And gj Shauni, I can't imagine how the T players lost without you going lots (you could just BBS or 2 Fact and you'd lose lol).
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Yah I think the way to go might be to defend against what the better player will be doing, and THEN use strategies tailored towards exploiting handicaps.
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How does Terran lose when P has no obs or lots? Just mass vultures and mine up the map.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
op update (but don't read it)
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On September 22 2009 02:32 RainmanMP wrote:
How does Terran lose when P has no obs or lots? Just mass vultures and mine up the map.
TheRock + Corsairs!
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On September 22 2009 03:57 Pholon wrote:
op update (but don't read it)
Oh man, that's crap. I wanted to see my own defeat.
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On September 22 2009 10:54 ZidaneTribal wrote:
surprised at the results
What was surprising about them?
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