Bisu vs Luxury It remains to be seen if Luxury is really in shape or not, as he's had it relatively easy thus far in WCG. ZvZing his way to the semis by crushing Calm and Yarnc shows that his ZvZ is in shape, but much remains to be seen if his ZvP is up to par these days. He faces none other than the best PvZer in the history of Starcraft in Bisu. Bisu comes off an impressive showing in the round of 8, dismantling Flash with some impressive play and micro. I'll take an in shape Bisu winning 2-0 over an "out of shape?" Luxury. But if something drastic happens and Lux manages to win, we can blame it on the maps, cause we all know Bisu will.
Jaedong vs Stork Apparently Stork spends most of his free time these days watching One Piece, playing WoW, and screwing around on other servers off racing while in preparation for WCG. Still, he was able to destroy Fantasy en route to the semis, setting up a match with Jaedong. However, his confidence level is still at an all time low, as he's repetitively said that he wishes zerg would die (So do I Stork, I feel your pain) and be DQed. He faces none other than the top zerg player at the moment, Jaedong. While admittedly Stork won their last encounter and is 5-7 lifetime against Jaedong, I give the Dino little to no shot at taking down an in form Tyrant in a BO3 on some good ZvP maps. 2-1 incoming for JD.
While realistically, I'd like for both Bisu and Jaedong to lose in order to set up a set in which both sides will actually play like it matters, the chances of this happening are slim to none. But if one wins and the other loses, I'm gonna be pissed.
On August 29 2009 06:56 Avidkeystamper wrote: Is this really at 14:00? I wouldn't know what to think if both Bisu and Jaedong won. That goes against the laws of SC.
Fomos declares it's at 14:00 today. Haha, I know right? Usually someone finds a way to lose. Bisu, looking at you there -_-
On August 29 2009 06:53 Roffles wrote: While realistically, I'd like for both Bisu and Jaedong to lose in order to set up a set in which both sides will actually play like it matters, the chances of this happening are slim to none. But if one wins and the other loses, I'm gonna be pissed.
You want them both to lose?! No way dude, then one of them won't get to go to WCG. Once they get there they will probably play each other in a proper match anyway.
I'm just hoping for some GGs, but a Bisu-JD final ftw.
+ 09-07-04 Shinhan 08-09 Prol.. (Badlands) Destination (P)Stork Loss
^ thats jaedongs last match vs stork...
Stork is playing at S-Class caliber no matter what right now, and their eachothers worst matchup, if stork gets to the archon stage(late game) its over.
On August 29 2009 07:04 Illusion. wrote: + 09-07-04 Shinhan 08-09 Prol.. (Badlands) Destination (P)Stork Loss
^ thats jaedongs last match vs stork...
Stork is playing at S-Class caliber no matter what right now, and their eachothers worst matchup, if stork gets to the archon stage(late game) its over.
Put away the Protoss/Khan/Stork fanboyism. Everyone knows Jaedong threw that game. Even I'm willing to admit it. And trust me, Storks PvZ is much worse than Jaedongs ZvP. This is quite evident to everyone.
On August 29 2009 07:04 Illusion. wrote: + 09-07-04 Shinhan 08-09 Prol.. (Badlands) Destination (P)Stork Loss
^ thats jaedongs last match vs stork...
Stork is playing at S-Class caliber no matter what right now, and their eachothers worst matchup, if stork gets to the archon stage(late game) its over.
Put away the Protoss/Khan/Stork fanboyism. Everyone knows Jaedong threw that game. Even I'm willing to admit it. And trust me, Storks PvZ is much worse than Jaedongs ZvP. This is quite evident to everyone.
I guess you havent seen stork play zerg then.(he has been in some great matches).It might be his worst but i wouldnt count him out...
Since when does not rooting for Jaedong make me a fanboy?
On August 29 2009 07:37 kdog3683 wrote: Is August 29th today or tomorrow?
Today is August 28th for me.
I know this begs the question of why I am even asking, but I remember seeing Calender Say 13th for PL, but it didn't play until the next day.
Calendar runs on Korean Time. In Korea, it's August 29th already, while it's only the 28th in the States. If you have any questions about how much time is left till it starts, just go check the calendar for the countdown timer.
On August 29 2009 07:04 Illusion. wrote: + 09-07-04 Shinhan 08-09 Prol.. (Badlands) Destination (P)Stork Loss
^ thats jaedongs last match vs stork...
Stork is playing at S-Class caliber no matter what right now, and their eachothers worst matchup, if stork gets to the archon stage(late game) its over.
Jaedong's worst MU? No. ZvT has been JD's worst MU ever since like early to mid 2008, when he lost his golden touch on the MU (I think during his 2 first starleague victories his ZvT was like 80% or something crazy, wasn't it?)
I'm a huge Stork fan. There's just something awesome about somebody who doesn't give a shit anymore but still plays at the highest level. It's like Shaq circa 2002 during the last of the three Laker championships.
It would even be more awesome if he goes offrace in the actual WCG but still owns the non-Koreans.
On August 29 2009 11:15 Weasel- wrote: Why exactly is Bisu wearing that mask in that picture? Did he have a cold or something? (Lol I missed whatever it was).
Yeah he was sick at the time. I remember that he played better with the mask on too. Maybe this should be reflected in the flowchart?
Stork beat JD 2-1 in last years WCG, lost 1-2 in the last OSL, and won their last game in PL. Anyone who doesn't think Stork has the ability to at least take a game off JD is underrating Stork, that said JD is in good form and the map pool includes HBR and Outsider... 2-1 either way.
On August 29 2009 11:37 Balfazar wrote: Stork beat JD 2-1 in last years WCG, lost 1-2 in the last OSL, and won their last game in PL. Anyone who doesn't think Stork has the ability to at least take a game off JD is underrating Stork, that said JD is in good form and the map pool includes HBR and Outsider... 2-1 either way.
To think that not so long ago HBR was a place where toss owned zerg. When Bisu won vs Jaedong on that map half the people complained about map imba, lol.
guys lux vs bisu is at 3:00pm KT. stupid fomos is wrong once again. warcraft semi is taking place at 2 so if those games take a bit, then SC matches will start even later than 3:00. just letting you guys know
Won't be able to watch it live. But rooting hard for Stork so he can give more hilarious interviews regarding how much he hates zergs and how One Piece rule.
According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
Hey! At least I'll be able to work on my summer work without distraction! Though, I could've done that for the last hour or two and I still haven't. Will catch Bisu vs Lux, definitely not JD vs Stork though.
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
On August 29 2009 14:06 mikku wrote: I missed it, what was with the massive bans on Solinren. I joined the channel and got banned for nothing
Sorry bout that. You're gonna have to make yourself known. I'm trying to eliminate stupid chinese people from PLU/YY/WFBrood and the such, as well as WC3 idiots. Rejoin with an obvious name and make yourself known.
MAN> i thought i was gonna catch some matches before going to bed (as i have work tomorrow at 11 am) but thats looking really bad as its already 10pm here... whyyyy doesnt korea focus on the east coastt!T_T!T11~~1`
Ugh, is this gonna be another one of these cases where I stay up late but SC ends up starting 3-4 hours after it was supposed to on the TL schedule? :/
On August 29 2009 14:06 mikku wrote: I missed it, what was with the massive bans on Solinren. I joined the channel and got banned for nothing
Sorry bout that. You're gonna have to make yourself known. I'm trying to eliminate stupid chinese people from PLU/YY/WFBrood and the such, as well as WC3 idiots. Rejoin with an obvious name and make yourself known.
Its cool, and understandable. I was just banned as soon as I got in and was sill-ily confused. Unban Deredere
theres a gigantic cannibalistic tree walking around, its slow as fuck
theres that aspiring negro who almost died but town portaled (demon hunter = aspiring negro, his mission all game is to turn into a big black dude) before tom cruise (the red orc samurai) got him
man town portal would be the most imba item for terran... oh u recall my base? my 200 supply army is now back in my main... oh u muta harass? i town portal 4 groups of stimmed mm directly beneath your mutas
OMG. I didn't know Stork was a One Piece fan. Now I like him more than ever. One Piece forever.
I'm not anticipating Stork to beat Jaedong, but if he somehow does, I would be so fscking overjoyed. In any case, I'll be cheering for Stork whether he wins or loses.
On August 29 2009 14:17 Hot_Bid wrote: what the fuck is going on
theres a gigantic cannibalistic tree walking around, its slow as fuck
theres that aspiring negro who almost died but town portaled (demon hunter = aspiring negro, his mission all game is to turn into a big black dude) before tom cruise (the red orc samurai) got him
man town portal would be the most imba item for terran... oh u recall my base? my 200 supply army is now back in my main... oh u muta harass? i town portal 4 groups of stimmed mm directly beneath your mutas
I always found WC3 a little cartoony too, but I got used to it after a while. I imagine I'm still pretty good at it... though I thought I was good at SC too :/
The night elf won, he did it cause all he did was build units which could cyclone (think statsis). Red had units that could disenchant the cyclone (the dt-etheral looking units), but the blue's main hero had a single target emp shit so he didn't have enough mana for it.
On August 29 2009 14:26 Roffles wrote: Cyclone is so freaking imba. That thing lasts FOREVER. Needs a nerf IMO, but I don't play WC3 so who cares?
They could do that too. That will be the true test of SC2... if they continue to ballance it years after release like they have to with WCIII as people change playstyles. My guess is they will have to, and the ballance that exists in SC is a 1 in a billion sort of miracle.
On August 29 2009 14:26 Roffles wrote: Cyclone is so freaking imba. That thing lasts FOREVER. Needs a nerf IMO, but I don't play WC3 so who cares?
Then u shud tell that to blademaster.. It's strong, and hence needs to prioritised to cyclone him..
Cyclone only lasts half as long on heros, therefore you really need to use it on important regular units... hence that 20 second stun or whateverthefuck it is
On August 29 2009 14:26 Roffles wrote: Cyclone is so freaking imba. That thing lasts FOREVER. Needs a nerf IMO, but I don't play WC3 so who cares?
They could do that too. That will be the true test of SC2... if they continue to ballance it years after release like they have to with WCIII as people change playstyles. My guess is they will have to, and the ballance that exists in SC is a 1 in a billion sort of miracle.
On August 29 2009 14:26 Roffles wrote: Cyclone is so freaking imba. That thing lasts FOREVER. Needs a nerf IMO, but I don't play WC3 so who cares?
They could do that too. That will be the true test of SC2... if they continue to ballance it years after release like they have to with WCIII as people change playstyles. My guess is they will have to, and the ballance that exists in SC is a 1 in a billion sort of miracle.
more like years of patching and balancing shit, but miracle now, that's true
On August 29 2009 14:26 Roffles wrote: Cyclone is so freaking imba. That thing lasts FOREVER. Needs a nerf IMO, but I don't play WC3 so who cares?
They could do that too. That will be the true test of SC2... if they continue to ballance it years after release like they have to with WCIII as people change playstyles. My guess is they will have to, and the ballance that exists in SC is a 1 in a billion sort of miracle.
Uh
Recent human nerf?
exactly, they are still balancing it like 7 years later... I know about the Towers thing...
Yes, theres a large luck portion in war3 due to creep item drops. The creeps are always the same, but theres like a pool of items you could potentialy get for certain creep kills. Thats why some creeps get sniped (for the item) and the player runs away after.
On August 29 2009 14:37 lazz wrote: is it just me or is there a lot of luck in terms of creep spawns and items that drop? or is it scripted like you get an item after your 3rd kill etc..
Luck. Though certain creeps only drop certain items based on their difficulty (I think). The whole red/yellow/green thing.
On August 29 2009 14:33 randombum wrote: But war3 has to balance 4 races, thats 16 match ups in comparison to only 9. Almost twice as much
check your math bro, lol
It's actually 10 to 6. -____-
yep. although balancing mirrors isn't exactly hard.. not counting mirrors the addition of another race from 3 to 4 races makes twice as many non-mirror match ups. a nightmare for balance. this is also why wow is so shitty, 10 classes, ughhh..
I dunno, seeing a hero at 100 life running for his life vs the other player trying to surrond can get decently exciting. But yea the whole creep for 10 minutes b4 engaging gets boring. Kinda like tvts
On August 29 2009 14:37 lazz wrote: is it just me or is there a lot of luck in terms of creep spawns and items that drop? or is it scripted like you get an item after your 3rd kill etc..
Luck. Though certain creeps only drop certain items based on their difficulty (I think). The whole red/yellow/green thing.
every item belongs to an item class (1-10) every creep on the map has a designated item class which it drops (or it may drop nothing). However, the item classes are STILL not very balanced, for example the experience tome is way better than all the +2-one-stat-tomes that it shares itemclass with.
On August 29 2009 14:50 alffla wrote: why doesnt moon counter attack and win? o _O imnoob aat wc3 : <
Defenders advantage is quite a bit higher in War 3 in SC. Units spawn closer like in BW, but buildings in war3 are usually quite usful. Like the bunker supply depots red has.
Still not looking good for Moon ultimately. That TC is like lvl 5 and will 2shot groups of talons. As soon as they engage Moon will need to have hte micro of his life to stand a chance.
Wow, I haven't played any WC3 beyond single player and this is like first time watching, but if I were the Orc guy, I'd nerdrage so hard at that cyclone shit, looks SO ANNOYINg.
Looks like Orc is long distance mining now. By the way the little house is a Pocket Factory, it's a tinker spell that when you cast it it pops up and spawns little robo-goblins that attack for a small amount but when they die (either from expiring like broodlings or from actually getting killed) they explode dealing quite a bit of damage in a small aoe.
The Clockwork Goblins destroy Raiders. They do decent dmg and explode with splash dmg once the get killed. Thats why who always kills the Pocket Factory first.
Moon is doing well in fights but the orc heros are just too strong at this point I think. BM basically one shots talons and the TC is pretty hefty atm .
On August 29 2009 07:04 Illusion. wrote: + 09-07-04 Shinhan 08-09 Prol.. (Badlands) Destination (P)Stork Loss
^ thats jaedongs last match vs stork...
Stork is playing at S-Class caliber no matter what right now, and their eachothers worst matchup, if stork gets to the archon stage(late game) its over.
ya but look at Stork vs Effort when Khan fell out of proleague... archon stage didnt help him there. Well, basically he went for a goon timing attack and effort put the right amount of sunks in the way
Moon wins. Pretty sure Who was out of money at the end there, so even tho he had a large adv in hero str, once he lost the TC he knew Moon would be rebuilding his DH with his new expo while he was completely drained. He had to GG.
On August 29 2009 14:58 Roffles wrote: I fucking love Moon. Not only does he give us entertaining matches, he does it 2-0, so we dont have to sit through another game.
Yea, orcs are popular since Blademaster is war3's equivilent of a dark templar which you can get 2 minutes into the game. At least thats how I feel about it.
She was casting before on sc matches. Dunno why she isn't here anymore. Too bad. The orc isn't happy, he's smiling because he lost in a ridiculously way.
On August 29 2009 14:59 alffla wrote: lol so is NE the most imba race in wc3 or sometohing
and also i dont think i've heard of any really good UD players why is that
Not really. Orc in recent times is like zerg was this last season... dominant. Undead is a waste of space and there aren't many good terrans anymore. Moon isn't in the best of form recently whereas all the good players seem to be Orc. Combined with how OP the blademaster is with even just average items, they are the strongest now.
At least this is my understand from psuedo-following WC3.
On August 29 2009 14:59 alffla wrote: lol so is NE the most imba race in wc3 or sometohing
and also i dont think i've heard of any really good UD players why is that
Not really. Orc in recent times is like zerg was this last season... dominant. Undead is a waste of space and there aren't many good terrans anymore. Moon isn't in the best of form recently whereas all the good players seem to be Orc. Combined with how OP the blademaster is with even just average items, they are the strongest now.
At least this is my understand from psuedo-following WC3.
o lol thanks hahah well i dont [play wc3 much btu i always liked skeletons and undead stuff so sad to hear that it sucks - 0-;
On August 29 2009 15:01 Roffles wrote: Fuck, SC not next. What the fuck is this shit.
I think what they said is that the first SC match is next, and then the second FIFA match, and then the second WC3 match, so if I heard that correctly the second SC match is after that.
I might be wrong because I just misheard them once.
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
wadafak we have to wait antoher 2 hours for jd vs stork??? BSSSSS
UD has a lot of problems dealing with Orc in tier 2. In my experience though, if you survive with UD until you can use your tier 3 units and 3 heroes (UD's strengths) you can stomp most Orcs.
On August 29 2009 15:07 Weasel- wrote: UD has a lot of problems dealing with Orc in tier 2. In my experience though, if you survive with UD until you can use your tier 3 units and 3 heroes (UD's strengths) you can stomp most Orcs.
Yeah, i've seen alot of games were undead just gose fast wyrms...and once the 2nd one pops out its pretty much GG.
Armor upgrade + Frost armor + coil.... takes like 5-6 bats just to bring it down.
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
wadafak we have to wait antoher 2 hours for jd vs stork??? BSSSSS
T_T I wanted to see stork but 18:00 is too unhealthy when I am so sick.
On August 29 2009 15:04 MrHoon wrote: I always wondered why Mountain kings aren't considered one of the strongest heroes
Direct target stun + Bash = Good dmg isnt it?
Why do nobody play human
It is one of the strongest heroes. Storm bolt is the most powerful nuke. Lots of chinese humans like to go MK first (particularly vs orc/ne/ud). Stormbolt is godly because good players can surround you with 4+ units.
On August 29 2009 15:33 Scaramanga wrote: wtf why did lux gg, he could have held that easily
I dunno he only seemed to have hydras and drones, which don't go great against zealots and archons and he really didnt have any follow up to the hydra break that got busted up by zeals
Lux killed a lot of cannons but he did very little eco dmg. Meanwhile he spent no larva on drones and had basically no economy once bisu held off the attack at the front.
Lol. So the lag made that really interesting, 1 second its like 10 mutas +lings raping bisus nat the sole defending archon dies. Then lag clears and its bisu raping lux.
wow... the viewers suddenly jumped from 1400 to 2.6k when sc started... i wonder where all those extra viewers came from.... probably 0.01% of the chinese sc fanbase
is there a way to post the link so only forum registered ppl can view it?
On August 29 2009 15:34 T.O.P. wrote: It's not livestream's fault. The OGN stream is lagging for everyone. I can't watch it on Afreeca either, they banned OGN streams.
If anyone knows where else I could get a stream let me know.
On August 29 2009 15:35 frakko wrote: wow... the viewers suddenly jumped from 1400 to 2.6k when sc started... i wonder where all those extra viewers came from.... probably 0.01% of the chinese sc fanbase
is there a way to post the link so only forum registered ppl can view it?
not really, link's to our streams/threads get posted on YY and who know where else, so no wonder that theres such amount of viewers.
The reason Lux GG'd is because he went for an all in build with mass lings and then muta followup. The commentator didnt look at the zerg base, but if he did i'll tell u there'll be very poor drone saturation.
On August 29 2009 14:53 alffla wrote: cool lol thanks kona ^__^ lol do wc3 games usually have no expos or wat : (
Humans are almost completely dependent on getting their expo out quickly. They get a handful of Footmen, turn like half their peasants into militia and creep out the gold mine as quick as possible. They rely on masses of tier 1 units and turtling behind obscene amounts of towers until they can get a large number of casters and win the game with sheer numbers. This is because, since they rely on a massing strategy, Humans require more gold/lumber than every other race, sort of like Zerg requiring more gas/minerals than every other race.
An interesting thing about War3 is upkeep management. Because once you hit 50 and 70 food, all resource income you receive is cut (to 70% after 50 food, and then to 40% after 70 food), many players will try to stay at 49 food as long as possible in order to not incur this income. It's not uncommon, once you see players willing to push past the upkeep range, to throw down more unit producing facilities and pumping out units as quick as possible. I know one of Sky's strategies against Orc is to turtle 2/3 bases behind a Sorc/Priest/Breaker army until he has like 4k gold, and then immediately throw down 4 Gryphon Aviaries and mass Gryphon Riders/Dragonhawks until he's at 110 food, and then overrun the Orc by shackling whatever few Bat Riders the orc managed to get.
The reason Lux went in all in is because his expo got delayed really bad and because he got few lings at the start, bisu was able to expo much earlier, therefore he knew he would lose if he played a standard game like going 5 hh.
it was something like 10 hydras against 10+ zealots + 1 dt in main even though there was an ovi at the main. And no there were no lags. Probably your stream. The 4 zealots @ the 2nd expansion did do damage but i can't see if the hatchery went down or not. To be honest i don't think so because there were glings trying to defend the expansion. I think he was just frustrated to not finish the game right after the glings mutas all-in and then just threw the game away by typing gg too quickly. I'd have done the same aswell :o)
Bisu storms right over all his goons trying to get Luxs mutas. Lux sneaks lings in and finishes taking out Bisu's 3rd warping in. Bisu spots Lux taking a 4th at 6 o clock and wipes it out with a ground army of just over a dozen units
Lux has his hive done, and plenty of lurkers at his 3rd defending. Bisu is preventing Lux from taking 6 o clock, although Bisu takes 5 o clock himself.
Bisu hunts down Lux's lings denying Bisu 1 o clock, and brings a probe to start another expo. Lux runs in with a dozen lurkers and some lings to chase off Bisu's army at 6 o clock, but fails and runs back.
2 DTs dropped at Lux's main, killing off a number of probes. Lux brings some units to 11 o clock to try to expo there, but Bisu has units ready to stop him.
Lux brings in a decent amount of lurkerling to the 1 o clock bisu expo with a defiler, and gets off some swarms, although he isn't in a position to push and farther.
Bisu starts killing off the little contain with DTs. Lux didn't bring any ovies.
Lux taking 11 o clock expo now and attacking Bisu's 5 o clock, but Bisu drops reavers and HT to save it from lings + swarm.
I don't know how Lux hasn't GGd yet. he had a better chance of winning the previous game if he stayed in that longer. 2 DTs head to Lux's 11 o clock expo and start killing the hatch. Lux has ~5 ovies heading to Bisu's main full of units to drop
so if bisu comes out from his booth to shake luxury's hand (havent seen anyone else do that in these wcg games), i wonder why does he get so much hate and criticism for being cocky from TL?
On August 29 2009 16:03 UGC4 wrote: so if bisu comes out from his booth to shake luxury's hand (havent seen anyone else do that in these wcg games), i wonder why does he get so much hate and criticism for being cocky from TL?
uh, cause of alot of other things that he has done and said
On August 29 2009 16:03 UGC4 wrote: so if bisu comes out from his booth to shake luxury's hand (havent seen anyone else do that in these wcg games), i wonder why does he get so much hate and criticism for being cocky from TL?
I find alot of people who hate Bisu are also the people who hate protoss... so I guess it comes with the territory
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
thats my question blue_arrow, what has bisu done/said that makes people hate him? he said that he doesnt like medusa's bottom position and stuff like that? my gosh, like you dont dislike some maps...what else is there?
On August 29 2009 16:07 UGC4 wrote: thats my question blue_arrow, what has bisu done/said that makes people hate him? he said that he doesnt like medusa's bottom position and stuff like that? my gosh, like you dont dislike some maps...what else is there?
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
I wonder if they somehow figured out the game would be over so fast...
On August 29 2009 13:52 Cadical wrote: According to OGN schedule 14:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 15:00 WCG SC Lux vs BIsu 16:00 WCG FIFA Final 17:00 WCG Warcraft3 R4 18:00 WCG SC Jaedong vs Stork 19:00 WCG CS Final
I wonder if they somehow figured out the game would be over so fast...
What if they played 3 sets of 1-hour games?
Then it gets delayed. I think Lux vs Bisu was delayed for 14 minutes due to WC3.
On August 29 2009 16:07 UGC4 wrote: thats my question blue_arrow, what has bisu done/said that makes people hate him? he said that he doesnt like medusa's bottom position and stuff like that? my gosh, like you dont dislike some maps...what else is there?
The things I can remember are his comments vs Hwasin calling him his "insurance," other behavior during group selection in individual leagues and beating Savior/causing his slump.
On August 29 2009 16:07 UGC4 wrote: thats my question blue_arrow, what has bisu done/said that makes people hate him? he said that he doesnt like medusa's bottom position and stuff like that? my gosh, like you dont dislike some maps...what else is there?
The things I can remember are his comments vs Hwasin calling him his "insurance," other behavior during group selection in individual leagues and beating Savior/causing his slump.
So are you saying that people don't like it when players who can actually back it up, trash talk?
I remember when maGma and go.go. trash talked and no one gave a second look about that. In fact, they hyped it up.
On August 29 2009 16:07 UGC4 wrote: thats my question blue_arrow, what has bisu done/said that makes people hate him? he said that he doesnt like medusa's bottom position and stuff like that? my gosh, like you dont dislike some maps...what else is there?
well, i won't go into specific examples, but he has made some 'arrogant' comments in interviews. actually i think i might remember a specific interview here, it was either the pre msl or pre gom finals with jangbi interview where he said something along the lines of "i hope jangbi didn't practice too hard, beacause he's going to lose either way". also bisu used to call hwasin his insurance terran. i dunno when that was. uhh, personally, i think ppl also hate him because he has this atmosphere of 'arrogance' about him when ppl see him on tv, it's like some kind of smugness. this might come from ppl never seeing bisu worried or angry. bisu also complains about maps alot of the times when other players dont complain. ppl might also hate him for the fact that he sometimes seems lazy/uncaring, yet wins alot. btw, bisu is my all time favorite player, i still like him even though i really understand when ppl talk about his weaknesses and 'arrogant demanour'.
On August 29 2009 16:07 UGC4 wrote: thats my question blue_arrow, what has bisu done/said that makes people hate him? he said that he doesnt like medusa's bottom position and stuff like that? my gosh, like you dont dislike some maps...what else is there?
well, i won't go into specific examples, but he has made some 'arrogant' comments in interviews. actually i think i might remember a specific interview here, it was either the pre msl or pre gom finals with jangbi interview where he said something along the lines of "i hope jangbi didn't practice too hard, beacause he's going to lose either way". also bisu used to call hwasin his insurance terran. i dunno when that was. uhh, personally, i think ppl also hate him because he has this atmosphere of 'arrogance' about him when ppl see him on tv, it's like some kind of smugness. this might come from ppl never seeing bisu worried or angry. bisu also complains about maps alot of the times when other players dont complain. ppl might also hate him for the fact that he sometimes seems lazy/uncaring, yet wins alot. btw, bisu is my all time favorite player, i still like him even though i really understand what ppl say are his weaknesses and 'arrogant demanour'.
What you said, combined with bisu fans going on about how sexy and baller he is, turn me off him lol.
On August 29 2009 16:07 UGC4 wrote: thats my question blue_arrow, what has bisu done/said that makes people hate him? he said that he doesnt like medusa's bottom position and stuff like that? my gosh, like you dont dislike some maps...what else is there?
well, i won't go into specific examples, but he has made some 'arrogant' comments in interviews. actually i think i might remember a specific interview here, it was either the pre msl or pre gom finals with jangbi interview where he said something along the lines of "i hope jangbi didn't practice too hard, beacause he's going to lose either way". also bisu used to call hwasin his insurance terran. i dunno when that was. uhh, personally, i think ppl also hate him because he has this atmosphere of 'arrogance' about him when ppl see him on tv, it's like some kind of smugness. this might come from ppl never seeing bisu worried or angry. bisu also complains about maps alot of the times when other players dont complain. ppl might also hate him for the fact that he sometimes seems lazy/uncaring, yet wins alot. btw, bisu is my all time favorite player, i still like him even though i really understand what ppl say are his weaknesses and 'arrogant demanour'.
What you said, combined with bisu fans going on about how sexy and baller he is, turn me off him lol.
haha, well i just accept him for what he is and figure he's still my favorite player in the end. although, ppl are certainly right when they say he is sexy and baller lol
On August 29 2009 16:07 UGC4 wrote: thats my question blue_arrow, what has bisu done/said that makes people hate him? he said that he doesnt like medusa's bottom position and stuff like that? my gosh, like you dont dislike some maps...what else is there?
well, i won't go into specific examples, but he has made some 'arrogant' comments in interviews. actually i think i might remember a specific interview here, it was either the pre msl or pre gom finals with jangbi interview where he said something along the lines of "i hope jangbi didn't practice too hard, beacause he's going to lose either way". also bisu used to call hwasin his insurance terran. i dunno when that was. uhh, personally, i think ppl also hate him because he has this atmosphere of 'arrogance' about him when ppl see him on tv, it's like some kind of smugness. this might come from ppl never seeing bisu worried or angry. bisu also complains about maps alot of the times when other players dont complain. ppl might also hate him for the fact that he sometimes seems lazy/uncaring, yet wins alot. btw, bisu is my all time favorite player, i still like him even though i really understand what ppl say are his weaknesses and 'arrogant demanour'.
What you said, combined with bisu fans going on about how sexy and baller he is, turn me off him lol.
On August 29 2009 16:07 UGC4 wrote: thats my question blue_arrow, what has bisu done/said that makes people hate him? he said that he doesnt like medusa's bottom position and stuff like that? my gosh, like you dont dislike some maps...what else is there?
well, i won't go into specific examples, but he has made some 'arrogant' comments in interviews. actually i think i might remember a specific interview here, it was either the pre msl or pre gom finals with jangbi interview where he said something along the lines of "i hope jangbi didn't practice too hard, beacause he's going to lose either way". also bisu used to call hwasin his insurance terran. i dunno when that was. uhh, personally, i think ppl also hate him because he has this atmosphere of 'arrogance' about him when ppl see him on tv, it's like some kind of smugness. this might come from ppl never seeing bisu worried or angry. bisu also complains about maps alot of the times when other players dont complain. ppl might also hate him for the fact that he sometimes seems lazy/uncaring, yet wins alot. btw, bisu is my all time favorite player, i still like him even though i really understand what ppl say are his weaknesses and 'arrogant demanour'.
What you said, combined with bisu fans going on about how sexy and baller he is, turn me off him lol.
OH MY GOD you think so too? ugh whenever I see bisu I can't help but think about how amazingly awesome sexy and baller he is that guy must be raking in the babes, he is so freaking sexy and baller WOW what a sexy baller, yeah that's what he is... a sexy baller.
On August 29 2009 17:08 On_Slaught wrote: I love the guy with the glasses. He's so expressive and seems to be having balling time haha. Wish more players were like that .
On August 29 2009 18:16 BlackMagister wrote: I'm greedy and want to watch both the STX cup and this, but looks like no streams or even thread for it >_>
On August 29 2009 18:16 BlackMagister wrote: I'm greedy and want to watch both the STX cup and this, but looks like no streams or even thread for it >_>
It would appear that there are some showmatches preceeding the Masters Finals. Someone wanna give a update on the results? It says 0:2, but IDK who played =O
On August 29 2009 18:16 BlackMagister wrote: I'm greedy and want to watch both the STX cup and this, but looks like no streams or even thread for it >_>
On August 29 2009 18:16 BlackMagister wrote: I'm greedy and want to watch both the STX cup and this, but looks like no streams or even thread for it >_>
On August 29 2009 18:16 BlackMagister wrote: I'm greedy and want to watch both the STX cup and this, but looks like no streams or even thread for it >_>
On August 29 2009 18:16 BlackMagister wrote: I'm greedy and want to watch both the STX cup and this, but looks like no streams or even thread for it >_>
oh wow, looks like we've started - this is what i get for watching without sound. jd has his maphack turned on, with his scouting ovie going towards 1 in the right direction
On August 29 2009 18:28 GHOSTCLAW wrote: kona's is kind of lagging too, but it's a little better. 9 pool speed for jd, stork showing off some pretty cool harass with the probe
wow. okay, so stork goes 1 base tech, and jd did a 12 hat i'm guessing, or else his tech wouldn't have been so late (these games need to start earlier)
stork moved out with 2 zeal 1 goon 1 sair and then did enough damage to kill off 3 ovies, a few drones, and some hydra. he expanded with 2 cannons at the same time to his nat.
Guess khan is going to try to bring back 1 base tech.
Problem with the dual-view: Getting a big Ad sign covering the bottom right of the screen when I'm in fullscreen. Anyway to get rid of that? Would like to follow the supply and stuff without having to exit it from time to time. Otherwisw a great stream!
jd going for the fast lurker contain, as he already has lurker researched. dual hydra den/spire timing means that stork had to put 2 cannons in his main mineral line to defend from mutas that wern't built.
On August 29 2009 18:34 lazz wrote: i notice korean commentators yell out " HA-NA!!" or something like that whenever a DT slips into the zerg mineral line... what does it mean?
with the fast dual evo and the fast hive, i'm guessing that jd was planning on doing some sort of fast ultra/ling build. it was scouted by stork i think (or guessed at really well) and we'll see if stork can hit the timing to punish it.
eh.. JD better be pulling his "lose 1 game, win the rest" strategy, I want that damn Bisu/Jaedong drops series if they might play against each other in a finals curse broken
And beat him on RoTK in the last OSL as well. JD came back 2-1 then, but he had Tears of Protoss in his corner game 3... Outsider is bad but not that bad, I'm optimistic, come on Storky!
JD wasn't playing that well in the beginning of the game. Mid and Late game his control was decent but what was up with him in the beginning? Perhaps he has alot going through his mind cause of the FA??
I'm a protoss player and a stork fan, and i'm gonna go ahead and say that FA is definitely affecting JD. The first drone death and i knew immediately. I remember in the last interview about the FA decisions jaedong said he wanted to lose and the only reason he fought to win was because of the fans.
heartbreak ridge, looks like stork is on the left in red? orange? something like that, and jd is white. Stork blocks the nat hat placement with a pylon, but otherwise looks like a standard forge first fe, and jd goes overpool
On August 29 2009 18:49 koziol wrote: i think jd has a big change of going to wcg anyway, he will probably win zvz vs lux, but i want to see jd raping Bisu in the finals
Eh? I'd say it's about 50/50 when JD and Bisu are both playing at their very best. JD is understandably not doing so well, at least mentally atm. Going into his series vs kwanro JD wasn't "expecting anything" after all. That's saying something
hmm actually it looks like stork is preparing for a little bit of everything. his first corsair is out, and builds another one with his cannon in his main, has templar tech and robotics facility out as well, all off of only 1 gate.
jd has 6 hat right now, lair tech, and stork chooses to push out
stork's shuttle dropps in 2 dt and 3 zeal but dosen't end up doing much damage as the hydra that were popping from the hatches clean up the harassment nicely
2 evo chambers and a queens nest for jd, stork spots jd's expansion to the mineral only. Stork is now starting his gateway explosion after getting so much tech, and jd has 3 evo chambers now
that was pretty sick timing by stork, as he attacked right before jd was ready, and about 5 seconds before the lings popped from jd's main+nat. not sure if he was planning on it or not, but that looked pretty cool
On August 29 2009 19:04 Holgerius wrote: I really didn't get the impression that JD cared very much about these games, and that's coming from a Stork fanboy.
yeah on the other hand Stork didn't even seem remotely happy to have won either though, lol
Yeah, someone explain to me how Stork won. My stream started to freeze and skip shortly after JD defended from that DT drop beautifully. I thought he was comfortably ahead after that.
stop this 2-0 bullshit, those games were just garbages. Almost like they just didn't care about wcg at all. And no i don't hate p nor like JD but just watch the games you'll understand easily.
On August 29 2009 19:05 Warrior Madness wrote: Yeah, someone explain to me how Stork won. My stream started to freeze and skip shortly after JD defended from that DT drop beautifully. I thought he was comfortably ahead after that.
Well timed push with mass dragoons some zealots and STOOOOOOOORMS.
On August 29 2009 19:06 RaiZ wrote: stop this 2-0 bullshit, those games were just garbages. Almost like they just didn't care about wcg at all. And no i don't hate p nor like JD but just watch the games you'll understand easily.
2-0 All of you under rate stork, he is one of the best players atm... IM surprised he isnt on power rankings..
On August 29 2009 19:05 Warrior Madness wrote: Yeah, someone explain to me how Stork won. My stream started to freeze and skip shortly after JD defended from that DT drop beautifully. I thought he was comfortably ahead after that.
JD was looking for a cannon break which Stork defended perfectly, moved into midgame without taking any economic damage, JD got greedy and produced drones instead of extra units for his 4th and Stork showed some nice goon micro to run over it. Couple more DTs in the main to finish it.
On August 29 2009 19:05 Warrior Madness wrote: Yeah, someone explain to me how Stork won. My stream started to freeze and skip shortly after JD defended from that DT drop beautifully. I thought he was comfortably ahead after that.
Stork 1st battalion of dragoons + lot + HT destroy 2 wave of zerg defence. Stork troops remains Unscatter except losing an observer and prolly 3 or 4 unit.
On August 29 2009 19:05 Warrior Madness wrote: Yeah, someone explain to me how Stork won. My stream started to freeze and skip shortly after JD defended from that DT drop beautifully. I thought he was comfortably ahead after that.
JD was looking for a cannon break which Stork defended perfectly, moved into midgame without taking any economic damage, Stork got greedy and produced drones instead of extra units for his 4th and Stork showed some nice goon micro to run over it. Couple more DTs in the main to finish it.
Ah, thanks. Oh well, I'm disappointed in JD but stork is my favourite toss so I have mixed feelings. I hope stork can crush bisu.
Everyone will attribute Jaedong's losses to an excuse, like the FA thing, no one caring about WCG, etc. They made excuses for Savior when he got 3-0'd in the MSL finals, saying that he wasn't trying, or he was tired, and he'll be back in full force to destroy everyone again..
I can see history repeating itself. Jaedong has reached the height of his career, just like Savior, and now we'll see a downfall of the Tyrant, like we saw for the Maestro.
On August 29 2009 19:07 UGC4 wrote: garbage games?...yeah okay...game 1 bisu vs luxury was sick. game 1 stork vs jaeodng stork schools jaedong from 1 base. garbage? yes u r ohhhhhhh
bisu vs luxury was ok, but JD vs Stork no. Just watch how JD loses his drone in such a VERY simple way even D+ ranked players would have prevented that. Or just watch stork backing like 20 goons against 1 lurk. Yeah right like they wanted to go for the show but not to throw the game so easily. Argh Whatever, the last serie was just SO weird. Like bad weird.
On August 29 2009 19:12 ArvickHero wrote: Everyone will attribute Jaedong's losses to an excuse, like the FA thing, no one caring about WCG, etc. They made excuses for Savior when he got 3-0'd in the MSL finals, saying that he wasn't trying, or he was tired, and he'll be back in full force to destroy everyone again..
I can see history repeating itself. Jaedong has reached the height of his career, just like Savior, and now we'll see a downfall of the Tyrant, like we saw for the Maestro.
lol, i dont think so. Obviously JD has enough problems now, no need for silly visits to china, i'm sure he will lose to lux tomorrow too
On August 29 2009 19:12 ArvickHero wrote: Everyone will attribute Jaedong's losses to an excuse, like the FA thing, no one caring about WCG, etc. They made excuses for Savior when he got 3-0'd in the MSL finals, saying that he wasn't trying, or he was tired, and he'll be back in full force to destroy everyone again..
I can see history repeating itself. Jaedong has reached the height of his career, just like Savior, and now we'll see a downfall of the Tyrant, like we saw for the Maestro.
lol wut? Savior could never recover because everyone else just got so much better. Is JD still as good as everyone else? Um, I think so! And are you serious that this "FA thing" has absolutely ZERO effect on JD? No stress? It doesn't affect his concentration? It doesn't affect his PRACTICE TIME? He barely had time to practice for his match against kwanro. The guy's entire FUTURE is uncertain, he's facing a potential RETIREMENT. What kind of performance can you expect from him?
On August 29 2009 19:07 UGC4 wrote: garbage games?...yeah okay...game 1 bisu vs luxury was sick. game 1 stork vs jaeodng stork schools jaedong from 1 base. garbage? yes u r ohhhhhhh
bisu vs luxury was ok, but JD vs Stork no. Just watch how JD loses his drone in such a VERY simple way even D+ ranked players would have prevented that. Or just watch stork backing like 20 goons against 1 lurk. Yeah right like they wanted to go for the show but not to throw the game so easily. Argh Whatever, the last serie was just SO weird. Like bad weird.
Why can't you admit and credit stork, when stork performing at his best today.
On August 29 2009 19:07 UGC4 wrote: garbage games?...yeah okay...game 1 bisu vs luxury was sick. game 1 stork vs jaeodng stork schools jaedong from 1 base. garbage? yes u r ohhhhhhh
bisu vs luxury was ok, but JD vs Stork no. Just watch how JD loses his drone in such a VERY simple way even D+ ranked players would have prevented that. Or just watch stork backing like 20 goons against 1 lurk. Yeah right like they wanted to go for the show but not to throw the game so easily. Argh Whatever, the last serie was just SO weird. Like bad weird.
Why can't you admit and credit stork, when stork performing at his best today.
IMO it was more JD performing at his worst rather than Stork performing at his best.
On August 29 2009 19:12 ArvickHero wrote: Everyone will attribute Jaedong's losses to an excuse, like the FA thing, no one caring about WCG, etc. They made excuses for Savior when he got 3-0'd in the MSL finals, saying that he wasn't trying, or he was tired, and he'll be back in full force to destroy everyone again..
I can see history repeating itself. Jaedong has reached the height of his career, just like Savior, and now we'll see a downfall of the Tyrant, like we saw for the Maestro.
I need a alphabetical list of the drugs you are consuming, because that's the only way someone can make a comment like that. My goodness...
Every time JD loses, this "end of the road" schtick emerges. He just won his second straight OSL a week ago.
On August 29 2009 19:12 ArvickHero wrote: Everyone will attribute Jaedong's losses to an excuse, like the FA thing, no one caring about WCG, etc. They made excuses for Savior when he got 3-0'd in the MSL finals, saying that he wasn't trying, or he was tired, and he'll be back in full force to destroy everyone again..
I can see history repeating itself. Jaedong has reached the height of his career, just like Savior, and now we'll see a downfall of the Tyrant, like we saw for the Maestro.
lol wut? Savior could never recover because everyone else just got so much better. Is JD still as good as everyone else? Um, I think so! And are you serious that this "FA thing" has absolutely ZERO effect on JD? No stress? It doesn't affect his concentration? It doesn't affect his PRACTICE TIME? He barely had time to practice for his match against kwanro. The guy's entire FUTURE is uncertain, he's facing a potential RETIREMENT. What kind of performance can you expect from him?
That said, stork played amazing.
Savior never got worse. Flash once played against Savior on Iccup, and mistook him for Jaedong. It seems that Savior has always been able to keep up with others in practice, but he began to lose it ON TV. And yes, I know that FA is taking a toll on him, and I have a bad feeling that it'll take a permanent toll on him, regardless of whether or not he gets resigned :l Plus there's the OSL curse that needs to be fulfilled anyways
And to the guy saying what drugs I am on, you'd say the same thing if I said that the Protoss were going to fail hardcore this season, wouldn't you? Pro SC is very brutal, and one small slip can send you down a hard downward spiral.The prospect of Jaedong entering a hard slump is always a very real prospect that shouldn't be ruled out.
Savior never got worse. Flash once played against Savior on Iccup, and mistook him for Jaedong. It seems that Savior has always been able to keep up with others in practice, but he began to lose it ON TV. And yes, I know that FA is taking a toll on him, and I have a bad feeling that it'll take a permanent toll on him, regardless of whether or not he gets resigned :l Plus there's the OSL curse that needs to be fulfilled anyways
And to the guy saying what drugs I am on, you'd say the same thing if I said that the Protoss were going to fail hardcore this season, wouldn't you? Pro SC is very brutal, and one small slip can send you down a hard downward spiral.The prospect of Jaedong entering a hard slump is always a very real prospect that shouldn't be ruled out.
btw props to Stork, of course
I never said Savior got worse (Even though he did ). I said everyone just got so much better. I think Savior's mechanics have been roughly the same as when he was a bonjwa but everyone else's just got so much better. Just look at his series vs zero in the beginning of 09. I know zvz was his worse MU but he just could not keep up with zero's micro at all. I think even the announcers pointed that out. As for JD, he has proven time and time again that he is the most resilient player in the world. He will lose 0-3 to forgg in the MSL finals but then 3-0 flash not a week later in another final. He will drop the most important game of the year and a week later, break the OSL curse and win the golden mouse. This is why he's never lost more than 4 games in a row. I think he'll bounce back from this once again, assuming he does continue to play.
Taek-Bang is back. Hell, WCG proved alot of points, its not the maps that have been sucking balls for protoss, but Protoss players sucking balls. Bisu/Stork beat the 2 top terrans and the top Zerg on the same maps used for OSL/MSL, that says a lot. GJ stork on your win, I also hope JD beats lux tomorrow otherwise Ill be dissapointed .
Just watched vods for Stork v Jaedong. I'm surprised Jaedong didn't defend that 1-base thing. I swear Stork does it every single PvZ on ROTK and keeps winning with it. Stork seemed to have gotten lucky in the 2nd game, got the timing just right(I'd say it's skill but Stork never really shows such game sense in PvZ).
How many years have Stork and Bisu been the top protoss? It's like year after year they're still the only tosses on top. Best and Jangbi peaked for a while, only to slump badly afterwards. Kal is just inconsistent. Free is Free. And no other protoss have stepped up.
this time it was JD's turn to blow the JD vs Bisu match ;p some people saying JD threw the games, others saying Stork just was so good, guess i'll have to wait for the VODS to see what was this.
Oh well. Sucks to see but I think JD has enough on his mind to let this one slip. As long as he doesn't lose to Luxury this still works out with the coolest three players going to WCG :D.
On August 29 2009 22:36 Wala.Revolution wrote: So... Stork rapes Fantasy, one of the two best TvP players.
He beat a prominent zerg... albeit the reports suggest Jaedong wasn't at his best.
And if he beats Bisu... Stork is one of the best (if not the best) in two matchups and not-so-bad (if not quite well) in the other?
Goooo stork bonjwa~
Yeah, it's an insane 3 matches but perfect to get respect if he comes out the other side. Stork has always done well against the top players anyway, it's dropping the occasional games to scrubs that makes people rank him below IMO.
10-7 vs Flash 9-8 vs Bisu 8-9 vs Jaedong 6-3 vs Fantasy
Probably the 4 current top players in most peoples eyes and Stork has winning records vs 3, 1 down vs Jaedong.
On August 29 2009 22:36 Wala.Revolution wrote: So... Stork rapes Fantasy, one of the two best TvP players.
He beat a prominent zerg... albeit the reports suggest Jaedong wasn't at his best.
And if he beats Bisu... Stork is one of the best (if not the best) in two matchups and not-so-bad (if not quite well) in the other?
Goooo stork bonjwa~
Yeah, it's an insane 3 matches but perfect to get respect if he comes out the other side. Stork has always done well against the top players anyway, it's dropping the occasional games to scrubs that makes people rank him below IMO.
10-7 vs Flash 9-8 vs Bisu 8-9 vs Jaedong 6-3 vs Fantasy
Probably the 4 current top players in most peoples eyes and Stork has winning records vs 3, 1 down vs Jaedong.
There is no reason to count e-soul and not WCG. If you count those its 10-10 vs JD ^___^ <3 you Stork. The great thing about stork is that he has a 60% chance of beating ANYONE and 40% to lose vs anyone, which makes him quite entertaining.
On August 30 2009 00:05 samachking wrote: There is no reason to count e-soul and not WCG. If you count those its 10-10 vs JD ^___^ <3 you Stork. The great thing about stork is that he has a 60% chance of beating ANYONE and 40% to lose vs anyone, which makes him quite entertaining.
Stork is very consistant. He rarely loses to "worse" players.
On August 30 2009 00:05 samachking wrote: There is no reason to count e-soul and not WCG. If you count those its 10-10 vs JD ^___^ <3 you Stork. The great thing about stork is that he has a 60% chance of beating ANYONE and 40% to lose vs anyone, which makes him quite entertaining.
Stork is very consistant. He rarely loses to "worse" players.
I remember the Bnet attack game(s?) where he lost as Protoss.
On August 30 2009 05:19 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: It's pretty hard for Protoss to predict and defend all hydra, zergling, and muta all-ins. Foreign Zergs have a good chance to upset this year.
I wouldn't get your hopes up, I think Bisu could beat any foreign zerg by going mass probes.
On August 29 2009 19:07 UGC4 wrote: garbage games?...yeah okay...game 1 bisu vs luxury was sick. game 1 stork vs jaeodng stork schools jaedong from 1 base. garbage? yes u r ohhhhhhh
bisu vs luxury was ok, but JD vs Stork no. Just watch how JD loses his drone in such a VERY simple way even D+ ranked players would have prevented that. Or just watch stork backing like 20 goons against 1 lurk. Yeah right like they wanted to go for the show but not to throw the game so easily. Argh Whatever, the last serie was just SO weird. Like bad weird.
Why can't you admit and credit stork, when stork performing at his best today.
Did i say something to discredit stork ? No. Did i say something to discredit JD ? No. What i'm saying is that they weren't playing the game at all. I'm actually glad stork won, but the game felt somewhat "rigged" see what i mean ? Much like this one WCG world final where a korean lost on purpose to not face against a korean and get all the 3st places.
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