Yarnc vs Luxury I can't predict tossups. It's hard enough to predict ZvZ when Jaedong's not playing, so how am I supposed to predict when the two players are exactly the same? So I'll use some math to predict this one. Lux raped Calm to get to this point, and Jaedong raped Yarnc in the OSL finals. So with Calm raping Jaedong in MSL, we have Lux > Calm > Jaedong > Yarnc. Therefore, through transitivity, Lux > Yarnc. My math is flawless, so I'll take Lux 2-1 over his mirror twin.
Stork vs Fantasy Rematch of Incruit OSL finals where Stork abused a rookie Fantasy to finally win gold. However since then, Fantasy has improved a ton and has been basically destroying protosses alive. Coming off his impressive win vs Kal in the RO16 with a great hidden expo build, Fantasy gets to play another TvP. However, Stork is pretty beastly at PvT and is no slouch, as shown through his annihilation of UpMagic last round. Looking to show that his PvT is still S-Class, and with decent PvT maps in HBR and Destination, Stork should be able to take this set 2-1. Looking forward to some good games however.
We've got ourselves a good slate of games. Twin battle and a good PvT incoming between two great TvP/PvTers. Hopefully Stork can save the dying Protoss breed.
Is it me or is this year's WCG happening much quicker? I have a feeling the first set will be one-sided, but I don't know who will win, thinking Luxury. 2nd set seems to be the best of the tournament so far.
On August 26 2009 11:13 Avidkeystamper wrote: Is it me or is this year's WCG happening much quicker? I have a feeling the first set will be one-sided, but I don't know who will win, thinking Luxury. 2nd set seems to be the best of the tournament so far.
First admitting that Kwanro is good and now predicting Luxury to win???
I'll be the opposing and say Yarnc and Fantasy win but the Stork vs Fantasy games should be ridiculous. And yeah ZvZ without a J factor = really unpredictable and boring. Still think Yarnc can overcome his better self/twin hopefully.
On August 26 2009 11:13 Avidkeystamper wrote: Is it me or is this year's WCG happening much quicker? I have a feeling the first set will be one-sided, but I don't know who will win, thinking Luxury. 2nd set seems to be the best of the tournament so far.
First admitting that Kwanro is good and now predicting Luxury to win???
On August 26 2009 12:19 Vasoline73 wrote: Oh man after Yarnc's suck fest in STX Masters yesterday I hope Lux takes it down. It's been too long since he's been doing well.
On August 26 2009 12:19 Vasoline73 wrote: Oh man after Yarnc's suck fest in STX Masters yesterday I hope Lux takes it down. It's been too long since he's been doing well.
Lux played some badass ZvZ against Calm.
Yeah that's kind of what I mean, like, I hope he continues to do well and proves that his series v Calm wasn't some fluke, random return to ZvZ form. I believe Luxury will put up more entertaining games than Yarnc will later in the tournament anyways. Won't he face Flash/Bisu if he wins?
Hopefully Stork vs Fantasy will be awesome. Best PvTer vs best TvPer. That said, Stork already has been to 2 WCGs. I really doubt he'd choose to practice for this over watching anime or play WoW.
Prediction: 12-Nex openings getting countered by BBS.
i predict sloppy play by stork that will assist fantasy in his victory and a currently-more-ambitious-and-well-practiced yellow defeating lux in a zvz of extreme mindgames hopefully these mindgames will produce never-seen-before late game zvz instead of stupid mass mutas like last time on battle royale ugh, i cant stand to think about battle royale
On August 26 2009 15:15 MrHoon wrote: lol Roffles please keep making WCG tourney threads, I like yours alot better than other people
Lol. Any reason why? My threads basically look like everyone else's. Couple pics of each gamer, some (biased) predictions, results, and a list of ways to watch.
It's pretty simple after a few times, but I don't think my threads are any better than other LR threads.
On August 26 2009 15:15 MrHoon wrote: lol Roffles please keep making WCG tourney threads, I like yours alot better than other people
Lol. Any reason why? My threads basically look like everyone else's. Couple pics of each gamer, some (biased) predictions, results, and a list of ways to watch.
It's pretty simple after a few times, but I don't think my threads are any better than other LR threads.
On August 26 2009 16:00 konadora wrote: (screw you Fantasy TvP doubters)
I know, when will they learn?
Considering his latest games vs. Kal, nobody doubts that his TvP isn't [legendary] stellar anymore. I'm courious though, if he will stick with his 1 fac port harass strategy. Looks like it has been figured out by tosses (at least by Kal).
On August 26 2009 17:28 MrHoon wrote: No. Stork even said in an interview during his Incruit win that Fantasy has beaten him many many many times in RO32 and offline games.
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Stork did an interview in the middle of beating fantasy? That's our dinotoss :D.
It looks like the WCG games are going to start to shape up in terms of quality. And yes, I agree that I'm actually more excited about these games than the MSL and OSL. Bigger names, bigger hype :D
i think luxury might lose to fake out of pity. "i have a starleague title AND a wcg gold medal, my brother better win so he can forget recent osl final and concentrate on something else"..
On August 26 2009 19:00 ghostWriter wrote: rofl more like lux might lose because he's bad and yarnc is good.
i'm not saying that lux is better or fake. just saying that it might be possible that lux will lose out of pity, even IF there is a possibility to win.
On August 26 2009 19:02 radadaundandan wrote: i don't think lux is bad zvz at all. It is that we havent seen much of him lately to make any judgements.
he was considered to be seconfd only to JD in ZvZ at one point of time, then his slump came. We'll see if he can come back to top.
On August 26 2009 19:05 Alur wrote: This man always uses delightful pictures for LR threads. So good.
Why thank you. I find regular poses and pics quite boring, so I try to find entertaining pics. Adds a lil something to the OP, plus it's funny seeing Stork in dino suits than in his Khan uni, and so on.
HELLO DARK NIGHT YES THATS RIGHT I DONT OWE YOU SHIT NOW HARHAR Me and dknight made a bet on osl finals, i stupidly bet on yarnc thinking that he could somehow win, so we bet double or nothing on this and i bet lux, silly dk yarnc is poo
I wonder how much Stork will be put off by the off-raxx, but still Fantasy should be building a factory anytime soon. Fantasy moving with 3 SCV and first Marine!
Stork attacks Fantasy with 5~ goons? Kills 2 tanks and 1 DS for 4 goons. 10 is now mining and Fantasy is setting up his army at his front (front of his bridges to 10).
Stork didnt manage to take out fantasy entirely, but he is keeping him so busy that fantasy cannot even execute his signature harass while stork is setting up his 5th.
Stork with 24-30 goons and 2 shuttles full of zeals. Stork fighting in a VERY bad position. Loses half of his goons and all his zeals for not many zeals. Storks go off and defuses mines. Stork defends push successfully, but with a LOT of army loss.
oh yes, Stork breaks that attack at his 8 base and now is 20 supply ahead. Good storms cleared that vulture mob. Fantasy reinforcing though and setting up his tanks at the bridge.
Zealots run them over! edit: Almost.
Zealots in fantasy's third again and apparently a storm drop happened too?
Stork's army balance is gone, with 6~goons and 16-20 zeals. Clears out remnant of Fantasy's push, or tries to as Fantasy's reinforcement arrives. Shuyttle with 2 temps and zeal lands at 10. Killed some scvs.
Stork spirits some zealots, expansion CC top right dies, counter incoming but has to retreat from tanks for now. 8 still running, despite fantasy's efforts.
lol, that Nexus is at about 40 HP!
Stork is stalled at the bridge near 8 against, but his macro is pulling him ahead.
2 vults snea in at 5 behind minls. Shuttle to 10 with a zeal a temp lands at main area and kills some scvs.
Stork attacks Fantasy's front with huge amount of goons and some zeals, but lack of mines and vults allow im to trade armies successfully, albeit not most effectively.
Stork breaks fantasy's forces inside his half of the map, barely one tank left to defend the bridges into the natural. 3rd is ALMOST shut down and STork way ahead now.
GG, only stork can beat fantasy late game after losing his 12nex for basically nothing. Great play by both sides. Stork still showing he still has the best pvt in the business.
that was fucking amazing, fantasy just used his vastly superior micro and multitasking to hold off stork's enormous economic advantage the entire game before finally getting crushed by wave after wave of units
He played that against Fantasy's style perfectly. Mass expand so he can rebuild his army faster than mines can take them out. And aim for terran expansions.
Now if only he'd stop playing WoW so he can use a non-12 Nex build.
On August 26 2009 20:10 Manifesto7 wrote: +1 armour before +1 attack haha must be a mistake
i didn't notice. i think it's a mistake and he hasn't realized it or it's still upping
I'm not sure of the mechanics, but I think goons will still kill vults in 6 shots regardless (iirc doing 14.75 damage instead of 15, not sure) but they will live longer vs zeals.
But then not every terran can control tank splash and I think it will be insignificant, EXCEPT vs cannons where they will die to 5 shots as opposed to 4.
Stork took advantage of Fantasy's build. While Fantasy might be able to harass well with DS and speed/mine vults, he will have to either choose between army or expos. Fantasy chose to expo to 10 instead of adding facts, so he was on 3 facts with 1 add-on while Stork had 4 gates with 3 more warping.
Furthermore, Stork made the right decision by attacking 10, knowing that had he given that base uncontested that Fantasy will just add facts and overwhelm him. He microed well, sending in 2 zeals and pulling goons just beyond tank's range and stopping any vults from going in. That effectively shut down for 10 for some time, and killed 6~ scvs, while Stork had enough time to get more gates, add cannons, and most importantly, take 8. Now it was the position that toss wants in PvT: ahead in base count, with equal or more production facilities.
From then, Stork defended the push, albeit quite poorly, with his strong eco and won. (+ good harass at 10 dropping temps and shutting down minonly).
Return of the King, Fantasy 1 while Stork is at 10. I hate this map because there are 4 areas at middle that toss cannot possibly engage terran effectively. This position also allows for T to push towards P while taking expos, that 12 base.
Stork scouting to 8 while Fantasy scouts in the right direction.
On August 26 2009 20:22 Wala.Revolution wrote: Return of the King, Fantasy 1 while Stork is at 10. I hate this map because there are 4 areas at middle that toss cannot possibly engage terran effectively. This position also allows for T to push towards P while taking expos, that 12 base.
Stork scouting to 8 while Fantasy scouts in the right direction.
Starpot going up just after CC lifted, and if STork can successfully prevent 2nd comsat from going up, he can deal major damage with his DTs. Probe to his minonly area to expo, and 1st scan is up.
Nvm Stork had not taken his minonly yet, as Nex is not done yet. But Stork now has 1 cannon at main and nat, with his minonly done. DS trying to harass but STork has 3 gates and obs read.
On August 26 2009 20:33 OSWater wrote: Stork v Fantasy: Battle of the Silver Medalists Whoever loses get's second place between the two. Who is the real king of silver?!
lol i think you stole that line from somewhere... or someone. lol
Dinotoss I always believed. Greatest PvTer of all time ^__^. It helps to be a T player before turning P, then you really know how to really abuse the shit out of T.
Hahaha. Man Fantasy got seriously schooled there. He had game 1 after killing the nexus.. and effed up (still made the game amazing) and then proceeded to get destroyed in game 2. Stork is effing good when he tries.
And Fantasy's TvP is still sick even though I guess it's being exploited a bit more now
I completely underestimated Stork. I thought he'd drop the set on RotK, but apparently he crushes him even harder than he did on Destination. What a beast.
aren't there plenty of games where toss wins after losing the 12 nexus expo? not to take credit away, but i'm sure i remember seeing a few games like that
On August 26 2009 20:34 Wala.Revolution wrote: Again, Stork the king of PvT.
More like king of running into mines.
All you Stork fanboys, Stork was sloppy.
lol when you have 3X more economy than the terran it doesn't matter. Especially in game one.. all he had to do was keep the tank count down and deny the 3rd and it didn't matter if he was sloppy.
And yeah.. sloppy in game 2... he really couldn't afford that.. you know.. after completely DT dropping Fantasy to death.
Stork played great and kept his cool in both games (especially game 1 when he had no idea what Fantasy's opening build was because of proxy rax)
On August 26 2009 20:36 lazz wrote: why does fantasy insist on a fast CC and a startpo+ctrl tower+dship.. makes him so vulnerable to any sort of dt drop + nat attack timing..
On August 26 2009 20:38 ThePhan2m wrote: Both of these games were really great games, one of the bestonly PvT series this month imo. Storks PvT is just amazing to watch!
On August 26 2009 20:38 ThePhan2m wrote: Both of these games were really great games, one of the bestonly PvT series this month imo. Storks PvT is just amazing to watch!
On August 26 2009 20:38 ThePhan2m wrote: Both of these games were really great games, one of the bestonly PvT series this month imo. Storks PvT is just amazing to watch!
Fixed
haha yea, I was thinking afterwards. what other PvT games has been played I feel like there have been endless of ZvZ over and over again :S
On August 26 2009 20:36 lazz wrote: why does fantasy insist on a fast CC and a startpo+ctrl tower+dship.. makes him so vulnerable to any sort of dt drop + nat attack timing..
Seriouisly, he needs to mix things up.
I LB'd Stork woot!
i bet fantasy is getting cocky and thinks that he can fend off anything with his micro
On August 26 2009 20:36 lazz wrote: why does fantasy insist on a fast CC and a startpo+ctrl tower+dship.. makes him so vulnerable to any sort of dt drop + nat attack timing..
Seriouisly, he needs to mix things up.
I LB'd Stork woot!
i bet fantasy is getting cocky and thinks that he can fend off anything with his micro
On August 26 2009 20:36 lazz wrote: why does fantasy insist on a fast CC and a startpo+ctrl tower+dship.. makes him so vulnerable to any sort of dt drop + nat attack timing..
Seriouisly, he needs to mix things up.
I LB'd Stork woot!
i bet fantasy is getting cocky and thinks that he can fend off anything with his micro
it's like trying to punch a komodo dragon
it may be slow, but it's still gonna eat you
my thoughts as well, there's just something arrogant about getting a fast expansion AND teching to drop ships at the same time... and then getting caught off guard when your opponent actually attacks you...
Stork just gave a lesson to all protosses on countering Fantasy's starport OP.
On August 26 2009 20:37 Aesop wrote: Why is everyone claiming that Stork has bad micro? He might not be as flashy as others, but it's really effective.
You got to admit though. Stork's low APM prevent him from being able to multi-task on par with Fantasy. So he had to go with mass expansion so he can afford to step on gazillion mines and cannons to defend against harass.
On August 26 2009 20:37 benjammin wrote: aren't there plenty of games where toss wins after losing the 12 nexus expo? not to take credit away, but i'm sure i remember seeing a few games like that
Stork vs Upmagic, it happened in the series. I didnt watch it, but it happened in 1 of the games
The thing about being one of the top players is that when you go against other gosus, they analyze your play exceptionally thoroughly to find your weaknesses. It happened in Jaedong vs Calm and happened just now as well. Stork just outplayed Fantasy.
On August 26 2009 20:38 ThePhan2m wrote: Both of these games were really great games, one of the bestonly PvT series this month imo. Storks PvT is just amazing to watch!
On August 26 2009 20:43 ghostWriter wrote: The thing about being one of the top players is that when you go against other gosus, they analyze your play exceptionally thoroughly to find your weaknesses. It happened in Jaedong vs Calm and happened just now as well. Stork just outplayed Fantasy.
Stork's PvT is still top notch. His PvZ might suck, but his PvT and PvP are really fucking good. I don't know why anyone would ever count him out, especially when its PvT he's playing. Doesn't matter which terran he's playing, he always has a chance. This is the guy who was considered THE undisputed best PvT in the business for the last couple years until KTY got better at the MU. Still he's pretty damn good, and it can be argued that he's still tops in the business.
On August 26 2009 20:39 Hinanawi wrote: I missed seeing PvT, it's probably my favorite matchup.
Can't wait to see Bisu vs Flash tomorrow. Gonna be siiiiiiick, my money's on Bisu just because Flash hasn't played against Protoss in like 20 games.
Yeah but remember the monster TvP that is Flash. The only game where I remember Flash playing perfectly and losing was vs Jangbi on Destination. And even there one mistake that was understandable gave Jangbi just enough chance to win.
I have a feeling that while Bisu and Fantasy helped each other practice TvP/PvT for their WCG matches that Stork and Flash were busy doing the same thing . Time for Flash to join his training partner in the next round :D
On August 26 2009 20:39 Hinanawi wrote: I missed seeing PvT, it's probably my favorite matchup.
Can't wait to see Bisu vs Flash tomorrow. Gonna be siiiiiiick, my money's on Bisu just because Flash hasn't played against Protoss in like 20 games.
Yeah but remember the monster TvP that is Flash. The only game where I remember Flash playing perfectly and losing was vs Jangbi on Destination. And even there one mistake that was understandable gave Jangbi just enough chance to win.
Flash is good at TvP, but Bisu's shown some good builds and play in the past to defeat Flash. Flash might be the best TvPer in the business, but Bisu's arguably the best at PvT. Anyways, looking forward to some good matches. I wanna see Bisu/Lux.
On August 26 2009 20:39 Hinanawi wrote: I missed seeing PvT, it's probably my favorite matchup.
Can't wait to see Bisu vs Flash tomorrow. Gonna be siiiiiiick, my money's on Bisu just because Flash hasn't played against Protoss in like 20 games.
Yeah but remember the monster TvP that is Flash. The only game where I remember Flash playing perfectly and losing was vs Jangbi on Destination. And even there one mistake that was understandable gave Jangbi just enough chance to win.
Oh I agree, Flash is a TvP monster, I won't be surprised if he wins tomorrow. But just because of the practice difference, I think Bisu has a slight edge. Bisu has been practicing against/playing against Terrans a lot lately, while Flash has been doing nothing but TvZ and TvT. He basically has about 40 hours (not including sleep) to refresh his TvP prowess (from when he beat Effort 24 hrs ago).
On August 26 2009 20:37 benjammin wrote: aren't there plenty of games where toss wins after losing the 12 nexus expo? not to take credit away, but i'm sure i remember seeing a few games like that
Stork vs Upmagic, it happened in the series. I didnt watch it, but it happened in 1 of the games
A lot of people make the false assumption that the protoss is behind when he gets bunker rushed after 12-14 Nex. When that's not always the case. Sometimes the protoss is behind, sometimes even, sometimes even ahead if too many SCVs were pulled.
Also, Stork's 12 Nex has faster goon timing than your typical 14 Nex. So he was in a pretty good condition.
On August 26 2009 20:42 zerotol wrote: Fantasy slumping or Stork playing great?
Fantasy starting to get figured out.
yup.... fantasys build is strong for his style (vulture harass) and it definitely overwhelmed many protosses... yet i definitely think stork studied fantasy quite well to figure out great counters.
I mean just watching these 2 games some may say build order win, dt imba, he had to macro to make up for poor micro, or protoss imba (pshh whatever... terran is most imba.. too many games vs zerg/toss where terran only camp to push and win) but all in all it just made it seem like stork was 1 step ahead and very calm throughout the games. From the 2 dragoons shutting down fantasys expo to having 2+ cannons at his minerals to stop vultures(something many protosses dont do enough against fantasy imo.. im sure coaches/players try to avoid defense structures but seriously with vultures being an integral part of fantasys style its almost a must in the mid game) to outmacroing knowing fantasys likes to do cute vulture micro to having a build order win with dt's simply showed that stork is a smarter player (at least in these games).
What I really liked about his 12nex in this series was that even as it was being destroyed he was building probes from it and running interference with his zealot to pull them out, wasn't panicked at all, just kept on rolling.
On August 26 2009 20:50 Roffles wrote: Flash is good at TvP, but Bisu's shown some good builds and play in the past to defeat Flash. Flash might be the best TvPer in the business, but Bisu's arguably the best at PvT. Anyways, looking forward to some good matches. I wanna see Bisu/Lux.
Stork and Jangbi are both notably better than Bisu at PvT, by about 7% (Best is slightly higher than Bisu too). Bisu has exceptional PvT but is not no.1
On August 26 2009 20:50 Roffles wrote: Flash is good at TvP, but Bisu's shown some good builds and play in the past to defeat Flash. Flash might be the best TvPer in the business, but Bisu's arguably the best at PvT. Anyways, looking forward to some good matches. I wanna see Bisu/Lux.
Stork and Jangbi are both notably better than Bisu at PvT, by about 7% (Best is slightly higher than Bisu too). Bisu has exceptional PvT but is not no.1
Jangbi's been sucking it up lately, even at PvT, same with Best. You can argue with overall stats, but I'll argue with recent stats and %s. Bisu's been raping it up PvT lately, with Stork slightly lagging behind.
Savior with 60%+ win rates overall doesn't mean he's raping now. Gotta look at the recent picture.
On August 26 2009 20:50 Roffles wrote: Flash is good at TvP, but Bisu's shown some good builds and play in the past to defeat Flash. Flash might be the best TvPer in the business, but Bisu's arguably the best at PvT. Anyways, looking forward to some good matches. I wanna see Bisu/Lux.
Stork and Jangbi are both notably better than Bisu at PvT, by about 7% (Best is slightly higher than Bisu too). Bisu has exceptional PvT but is not no.1
lol @ best better than bisu at PvT. Hey buddy, it's not all about the tlpd statistics.
On August 26 2009 20:50 Roffles wrote: Flash is good at TvP, but Bisu's shown some good builds and play in the past to defeat Flash. Flash might be the best TvPer in the business, but Bisu's arguably the best at PvT. Anyways, looking forward to some good matches. I wanna see Bisu/Lux.
Stork and Jangbi are both notably better than Bisu at PvT, by about 7% (Best is slightly higher than Bisu too). Bisu has exceptional PvT but is not no.1
I know ELO isn't perfect, but Bisu is currently slightly ahead of both Stork and Jangbi's TvP ELO at the moment. Bisu's PvT has become really scary, it's not like before where Stork/Jangbi were clearly far and ahead the best PvTers.
On August 26 2009 20:50 Roffles wrote: Flash is good at TvP, but Bisu's shown some good builds and play in the past to defeat Flash. Flash might be the best TvPer in the business, but Bisu's arguably the best at PvT. Anyways, looking forward to some good matches. I wanna see Bisu/Lux.
Stork and Jangbi are both notably better than Bisu at PvT, by about 7% (Best is slightly higher than Bisu too). Bisu has exceptional PvT but is not no.1
yeah. if he had confidence in his vT like Jangbi or Stork, there would be no OSL curse. LOL
new nickname for stork: the komodo dragon. thanks man, u made my day!
very nice games by stork, he completely outplayed fantasy. yes, it were build order losses, but the build orders stork was using were tailored specifically against fantasy´s play. so id still call it a strategical win.
i really love to see stork showing some good sc once again. maybe he will never fix his pvz, but his pvt and pvp still remain top notch. i really hope he retrieves his love and motivation for sc.
On August 26 2009 20:50 Roffles wrote: Flash is good at TvP, but Bisu's shown some good builds and play in the past to defeat Flash. Flash might be the best TvPer in the business, but Bisu's arguably the best at PvT. Anyways, looking forward to some good matches. I wanna see Bisu/Lux.
Stork and Jangbi are both notably better than Bisu at PvT, by about 7% (Best is slightly higher than Bisu too). Bisu has exceptional PvT but is not no.1
Jangbi's been sucking it up lately, even at PvT, same with Best. You can argue with overall stats, but I'll argue with recent stats and %s. Bisu's been raping it up PvT lately, with Stork slightly lagging behind.
Savior with 60%+ win rates overall doesn't mean he's raping now. Gotta look at the recent picture.
Sure, I guess I misunderstood what you said. I agree about jangbi and best, but stork and bisu's recent stats are similar. Stork hasnt played many PvTs recently though, so its hard to say...
Still, stork is the best PvT out of anyone in terms of career.
Stork and Jangbi are both notably better than Bisu at PvT, by about 7% (Best is slightly higher than Bisu too). Bisu has exceptional PvT but is not no.1
lol @ best better than bisu at PvT. Hey buddy, it's not all about the tlpd statistics.
I just said/meant best was ahead of Bisu in terms of stats, I didnt say he was better, which he obviously is not right now.
On August 26 2009 20:50 Roffles wrote: Flash is good at TvP, but Bisu's shown some good builds and play in the past to defeat Flash. Flash might be the best TvPer in the business, but Bisu's arguably the best at PvT. Anyways, looking forward to some good matches. I wanna see Bisu/Lux.
Stork and Jangbi are both notably better than Bisu at PvT, by about 7% (Best is slightly higher than Bisu too). Bisu has exceptional PvT but is not no.1
Jangbi's been sucking it up lately, even at PvT, same with Best. You can argue with overall stats, but I'll argue with recent stats and %s. Bisu's been raping it up PvT lately, with Stork slightly lagging behind.
Savior with 60%+ win rates overall doesn't mean he's raping now. Gotta look at the recent picture.
Sure, I guess I misunderstood what you said. I agree about jangbi and best, but stork and bisu's recent stats are similar. Stork hasnt played many PvTs recently though, so its hard to say...
Still, stork is the best PvT out of anyone in terms of career.
well, bisu has got great pvt, but pvt is still his weakest matchup. and he has a history of failing in starleagues against terrans. maybe this is why bisu´s pvt is rated lower than it actually is in terms of stats or without weighting results by their importance.
well, bisu vs flash tomorrow is gonna settle this debate anyway, so lets just wait one more day.
even though bisus' pvt elo or wahtever is higher than storks or jangbis i still get the feeling that storks and jangbi's pvt are like..more tight and like.. overwhelming. dont know how to describe it
On August 26 2009 21:20 alffla wrote: even though bisus' pvt elo or wahtever is higher than storks or jangbis i still get the feeling that storks and jangbi's pvt are like..more tight and like.. overwhelming. dont know how to describe it
gOOD JOB STORKY!
I think the word you're looking for is awesome.. JangBi/Stork vs Fantasy PvTs are just different.
I made a helpful chart in MS Paint (photo editing tool of the gods) explaining the playstyles of Starcraft's two top Terran players to help out any new viewers, I hope you like them:
On August 26 2009 22:09 Hinanawi wrote: I made a helpful chart in MS Paint (photo editing tool of the gods) explaining the playstyles of Starcraft's two top Terran players to help out any new viewers, I hope you like them:
Fantasy:
Flash:
Win. Although it should be Midgame for Flash TvP, but still works.
On August 26 2009 22:09 Hinanawi wrote: I made a helpful chart in MS Paint (photo editing tool of the gods) explaining the playstyles of Starcraft's two top Terran players to help out any new viewers, I hope you like them:
Also, I'm really surprised at Lux thrashing Yarnc...I think the series would have been 2-0 in favor of Yarnc if it was played before the OSL Finals.
Don't be so sure about that. Even when Luxury was in his post MSL slump he gave Yarnc a run for his money in an epic ZvZ. If he's back in form like his game against Calm suggests, even a non slumping Yarnc would find himself on the end of a vicious ZvZer who was rightfully second only to Jaedong.
Stork vs jaedong(who'll pwn kwanro)=Stork wins Luxury vs Bisu=Luxury wins.
Then you have an epic JvB match where Jaedong pwns Bisu and tada, we have the same finalists as last year. Ya, flash isn't going to make it to the semis.
On August 26 2009 20:37 Aesop wrote: Why is everyone claiming that Stork has bad micro? He might not be as flashy as others, but it's really effective.
You got to admit though. Stork's low APM prevent him from being able to multi-task on par with Fantasy. So he had to go with mass expansion so he can afford to step on gazillion mines and cannons to defend against harass.
Stork APM low probably because he sneaked in an install of WoW on the computer and is playing in windowed mode.
On August 26 2009 20:30 ghostWriter wrote: The lamest thing is that you can't even use siege's splash to kill the dt like you can use archon/zeal vs lurkers -_-
This went strangely without any kind of a reaction:
On August 27 2009 00:47 Hinanawi wrote: I like it, Dice84. Since you went ahead and did that, I may as well make one for Bisu so we have the Big 4 all covered.
On August 26 2009 20:30 ghostWriter wrote: The lamest thing is that you can't even use siege's splash to kill the dt like you can use archon/zeal vs lurkers -_-
This went strangely without any kind of a reaction:
You CAN use siege splash versus DTs.
It's much more difficult. Lurkers have to hit zeals several times to kill them, and whatever is used (archon, reaver, sieged tank) will do 100% of their explosive damage, especially because it can be position to do 100% damage as opposed to just splash.
However, vs DTs, not only do terrans only deal 75% of the damage, unless you have the DT surrounded with scvs AND multiple sieged tanks, it's quite hard to take down DT with splash. Not to mention there's usually more than 1 DT.
On August 26 2009 20:37 benjammin wrote: aren't there plenty of games where toss wins after losing the 12 nexus expo? not to take credit away, but i'm sure i remember seeing a few games like that
Pretty sure stork lost his 12 nexuses in both games against upmagic in the previous round of this tournament. Definitely happened in at least 1 of the 2 games.
They are laggy and I cant even the whole thing because it freezes halfway through.
Weird, I have no problems with them. What I do is to start and immediately pause them and wait till it loads till around half way and play. Never failed me. Anyways the vods are on youtube now...
On August 28 2009 05:44 gk_ender wrote: And the stork bandwagon resurfaces....w/e fair weather fans, ill take support where i can get for stork (especially on tl) Stork pvt untouchable
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