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iMp.will.
Profile Joined July 2009
Bulgaria441 Posts
August 24 2009 11:54 GMT
#381
not scouting that bottom expand means losing the game
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 24 2009 11:54 GMT
#382
It amazes me how badly progamers scout. Having one Zealot patrolling every expo should be cost-effective...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
August 24 2009 11:55 GMT
#383
On August 24 2009 20:34 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2009 20:31 Kaniol wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:21 Shikyo wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:20 OSWater wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:17 Shikyo wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:16 OSWater wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:15 samachking wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:14 OSWater wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:03 OSWater wrote:
Oov's macro, and Boxer's dropship play.
How can anyone doubt fantasy? This guy has some SERIOUS talent.

Off 2 bases, he was at 1800 minerals.

He also had 150 food supply when Kal had only 50.
He also destroyed most his base.
I wouldnt be macroing hard either.


He was talking about the midgame part where he was dropping and kal was ahead in supply

And thats where my Boxer's dropship statement comes from.
Either way, Kal got outplayed HARD.

Idra was at 200/200 mingas while dropping Fenix in multiple locations ^_^

My point still stands. Idra can perform as he wants, it doesnt really matter.

That he has oov macro and Boxer's dropship play? Well his macro is bad, so I disagree.

The age old question regarding Oov is: how did he do it? How did he produce more units than anyone thought was reasonable? Oov's play was actually rather sloppy. Very often he would forget midgame supply depots or mismanage his money and be forced to build more factories to compensate. So very often those billions of factories that were an Oov trademark were the result of sloppy play.

Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67579. Now stop arguing please

I know that. However, he was the only player at the time who understood economic timings, times to expand faster than others, hidden expansions and making SCVs at all times. He had a lot better economic understanding. Fantasy doesn't. When you say "oov macro" you mean it as a compliment and concentrate on those good sides, not the bad sides. But if it wasn't a compliment, sorry for misunderstanding.


The only person in progaming who can contest Fantasy's economic understanding (besides oov obviously) is Flash. The strategies that he uses are all based around a total economical understanding (particularly his TvP).

Fantasy's problem, as shown by this game, is that while his economical/strategical understanding is amazing, he does mess up with critical decisions in key moments. He's had Kal owned so badly yet he screwed up several times horribly on small matters that really cost him so the game actually is a bit close when it should've been a complete stomp.
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 24 2009 11:55 GMT
#384
lol Fantasy's ninja expo @ 7 is untouched ...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
August 24 2009 11:56 GMT
#385
no upgrades ;_;
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7213 Posts
August 24 2009 11:56 GMT
#386
Ninja expansion turned the game. Kal is going to be real surprised when he sees how much Fantasy was able to macro while having so "few" scvs mining
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51399 Posts
August 24 2009 11:56 GMT
#387
cant wait for kal's face when he spots 7
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 24 2009 11:56 GMT
#388
go oov ^.~
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
CaptainPlatypus
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States852 Posts
August 24 2009 11:56 GMT
#389
The commentators point out that fantasy has +1 attack and kal hasn't even started his first upgrade, even though he has a forge. Kal takes his third gas and fourth base, but the unit balance has swung heavily in fantasy's favor and he's about to take it right back offline.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 24 2009 11:56 GMT
#390
looks like Kals zealot was on his way to discovering the ninja expo, but stopped to take a break
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
August 24 2009 11:57 GMT
#391
fantasy's supply suddenly jumped and became more than kal's

i dont see why fantasy not taking the expo at the corner of the main
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 24 2009 11:57 GMT
#392
Kal: SCOUT!!! ---
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 24 2009 11:58 GMT
#393
wow cmon scout ninja expo kal
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
August 24 2009 11:58 GMT
#394
Come ON Kal, it should be so goddamn obvious by now. You deserve to lose this for missing 7 for this long.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51399 Posts
August 24 2009 11:58 GMT
#395
haha zeal runs back to main
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FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
August 24 2009 11:58 GMT
#396
-.- Kal is going to fail just for that ninja expo... U fail at scouting
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 24 2009 11:58 GMT
#397
LOL zealot moving back to base. Kal will never know about that ninja expo now
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
August 24 2009 11:59 GMT
#398
On August 24 2009 20:55 Ver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2009 20:34 Shikyo wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:31 Kaniol wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:21 Shikyo wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:20 OSWater wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:17 Shikyo wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:16 OSWater wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:15 samachking wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:14 OSWater wrote:
On August 24 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:
[quote]
Off 2 bases, he was at 1800 minerals.

He also had 150 food supply when Kal had only 50.
He also destroyed most his base.
I wouldnt be macroing hard either.


He was talking about the midgame part where he was dropping and kal was ahead in supply

And thats where my Boxer's dropship statement comes from.
Either way, Kal got outplayed HARD.

Idra was at 200/200 mingas while dropping Fenix in multiple locations ^_^

My point still stands. Idra can perform as he wants, it doesnt really matter.

That he has oov macro and Boxer's dropship play? Well his macro is bad, so I disagree.

The age old question regarding Oov is: how did he do it? How did he produce more units than anyone thought was reasonable? Oov's play was actually rather sloppy. Very often he would forget midgame supply depots or mismanage his money and be forced to build more factories to compensate. So very often those billions of factories that were an Oov trademark were the result of sloppy play.

Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67579. Now stop arguing please

I know that. However, he was the only player at the time who understood economic timings, times to expand faster than others, hidden expansions and making SCVs at all times. He had a lot better economic understanding. Fantasy doesn't. When you say "oov macro" you mean it as a compliment and concentrate on those good sides, not the bad sides. But if it wasn't a compliment, sorry for misunderstanding.


The only person in progaming who can contest Fantasy's economic understanding (besides oov obviously) is Flash. The strategies that he uses are all based around a total economical understanding (particularly his TvP).

Fantasy's problem, as shown by this game, is that while his economical/strategical understanding is amazing, he does mess up with critical decisions in key moments. He's had Kal owned so badly yet he screwed up several times horribly on small matters that really cost him so the game actually is a bit close when it should've been a complete stomp.

Plus, there is his expanding faster than other (Kal :D ) and his ninja expo :p
CaptainPlatypus
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States852 Posts
August 24 2009 11:59 GMT
#399
Epic stasis lets kal briefly overpower fantasy, and he does a SEXY reaver drop during the distraction and chases fantasy out of his briefly-claimed fourth. In exchange, fantasy looks to be getting ready to try to run him over again.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
August 24 2009 11:59 GMT
#400
lol the moment when fanta emp the goons,the statis weared off and the tanks killed the goons immidiately

fanta supply 92
kal 56
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