Clicking the spoiler will reveal the players playing and a short reason of why you should watch it. Be careful, you might spoil it if you plan on watching recommended games in order because of the allkill format, so click one at a time. + Show Spoiler [Set 2] +
Sea.Leta < Neo Harmony > fOrGG_V_ A fairly standard TvT that goes back-and-forth throughout the game. Worth watching if you like TvT.
Horang2 < Colosseum II > Violet[Name] HOLY COW THIS PvP WAS NUTS. These guys are relatively new Protosses and they bring out some... "different" strategies. If you're gonna watch one set from this series, make it this one.
Finally, we're getting some more close games from this tournament. By the way, go watch the first set if you want a few laughs.
On August 19 2009 14:00 SimonB wrote: I think Hite beat KT more times than anybody else last season. It seemingly always comes down to the ace match with them, and they always win somehow.
Sure, Hite beat KT a lot in PL. But all that matters here is Flash.
HITE GONNA GET FIREFISTED And no kt beat hite alot of times in proleauge, the majority did go down to ace and either flash or lux won, this'll be no different, flash and kt to rape
On August 19 2009 14:31 Scaramanga wrote: HITE GONNA GET FIREFISTED And no kt beat hite alot of times in proleauge, the majority did go down to ace and either flash or lux won, this'll be no different, flash and kt to rape
No I think Sparkyz has won the majority of their matches vs KT and I even think there was a winning interview where a Sparkyz player said they tend to do well vs KT. I don't know for certain though, somebody will need to check.
Seems like they're going to try to snipe eachothers aces and it's gonna come down to which team sends out their players in a smarter/more lucky way.
KT wants to avoid having Flash fight Yarnc, while hite wants to avoid having Leta fight Flash
My guess is that hite will send out Yarnc 3rd, or 2nd if KT starts with Flash. Leta will be saved for last in hopes that Yarnc will take Flash out before that.
On August 19 2009 14:31 Scaramanga wrote: HITE GONNA GET FIREFISTED And no kt beat hite alot of times in proleauge, the majority did go down to ace and either flash or lux won, this'll be no different, flash and kt to rape
The only time KT beat Hite this season was during WL when Flash beat Leta and Yarnc in set 6 and 7. The other 4 times involved a 3-0 where Flash was playing in the 4th set and 3 instances of Leta beating Lux/ForGG in an ace match.
And I seriously doubt they're going to use Yarnc for a meaningless event like this when he has OSL finals to prepare for.
Now that Flash is done in leagues, i expect him to all kill 4-0.
Yarnc prolly wont show up due to OSL coming up, so Flash vs Leta may be the best match we'll get, if Leta ever gets over his TvT humiliation from Skyhigh...
hehe Oz has a 5-0 record vs Hite and a 4-1 vs KTF. But KTF is definitely the bigger threat. But it will be hard for Hite to go against a prepared Flash. =[
As everyone here knows, I am completely impartial and never let my KT-fandom affect my predictions. That being said: Flash will beat Yarnac so hard that his monitor will explode and his battle booth will tip over into the audience.
I dunno Flash is a player famous for his grudge against Zerg players then failing horribly. Not to mention, Flash has admitted in public Yarnc's ZvT is much much much much better than Luxury's ZvT
Hopefully Luxury/Firefist/Hoejja/ForGG gave enough TvZ tips to Flash
KT all the way. Gotten past Khan CJ and a hot eSTRO with only one of their big guns(ForGG) playing a game. Not to mention that Hites best player at the moment in Yarnc is most likely to sit out in preparation for his OSL finals vs Jaedong coming up and he is the only player on Hite who would be favored against Flash. Not to say Leta is bad but Flash has won 13 of his last 14 TvT's for a reason and Flash beat Leta resoundingly last time these two played.
the point of all these olleh commercials is that first something good happen and they're like wow, and then something better and they go "olleh"? what gives?
On August 19 2009 15:22 Avidkeystamper wrote: hehe Oz has a 5-0 record vs Hite and a 4-1 vs KTF. But KTF is definitely the bigger threat. But it will be hard for Hite to go against a prepared Flash. =[
it's gonna be Oz without Jaedong, he's probably prioritizing the OSL finals
On August 19 2009 15:22 Avidkeystamper wrote: hehe Oz has a 5-0 record vs Hite and a 4-1 vs KTF. But KTF is definitely the bigger threat. But it will be hard for Hite to go against a prepared Flash. =[
it's gonna be Oz without Jaedong, he's probably prioritizing the OSL finals
Ummm no. Maybe if Jaedong was on a normal team, but on OZ Jaedong has to or wants to do both team and individual leagues. It doesn't matter how busy Jaedong is OZ will use Jaedong. At the very least he will be sent even if he didn't practice much.
On August 19 2009 15:22 Avidkeystamper wrote: hehe Oz has a 5-0 record vs Hite and a 4-1 vs KTF. But KTF is definitely the bigger threat. But it will be hard for Hite to go against a prepared Flash. =[
it's gonna be Oz without Jaedong, he's probably prioritizing the OSL finals
Ummm no. Maybe if Jaedong was on a normal team, but on OZ Jaedong has to or wants to do both team and individual leagues. It doesn't matter how busy Jaedong is OZ will use Jaedong.
Ya jaedong with zero practice is still much better than any other player on his team
Flash killed some SCVs of Leta making the number of SCVs Leta needed to kill much higher. Now that Flash has stabilized with 2 base and Leta hasn't even finished a cc, let alone landed it, Leta is in deep trouble.
is flash trying to be like fantasy in fantasy vs jaedong on outsider? Won't work as well because that was really end game with scarce minerals and like 10 tanks... vs this game with 6 tanks and leta with over twice the bases.
On August 19 2009 18:33 WindCalibur wrote: that disadvantage with the factory is starting to snowball quite rapidly.... shouldnt he see the "building exit is blocked"?
I feel ripped off. Glad that Leta won, but it shouldn't be when Flash makes such a big mistake. He must have missed a hotkey for setting a rally, and only did it later on when 6 tanks were already made without a rallly point.
On August 19 2009 18:37 BlackMagister wrote: I feel ripped off. Glad that Leta won, but it shouldn't be when Flash makes such a big mistake. He must have missed a hotkey for setting a rally, and only did it later on when 6 tanks were already made without a rallly point.
Wrong.
The first tank was made without a rally point and he didnt notice. That tank blocked the exit for the other 5 that were rallied.
Wouldn't the tanks try to go around if the factory's rally was really at the nat? All the tanks just turned towards the blocking tank - as if the rally was there?
Macro monkey #2 incoming, lets hope he atleast doesnt blunder that huge, even if he loses that game was just behind awful, seriously the only thing worse than that was kindoms proxy failure.
On August 19 2009 18:38 Zona wrote: Wouldn't the tanks try to go around if the factory's rally was really at the nat? All the tanks just turned towards the blocking tank - as if the rally was there?
If the exit is blocked tanks will just move into direction and then they will stop. Its not the same as move. ;O
On August 19 2009 18:39 Vasoline73 wrote: Haha man that was pretty hilarious to be honest. Flash lost the game because of those 6 tanks -_-. Would have helped so much.
Oh well, doesn't really take away from Leta playing a really nice TvT
It really does though. lol. Besides I doubt Leta can get through ktf toss line to complete an all kill.
On August 19 2009 18:39 Vasoline73 wrote: Haha man that was pretty hilarious to be honest. Flash lost the game because of those 6 tanks -_-. Would have helped so much.
Oh well, doesn't really take away from Leta playing a really nice TvT
It really does though. lol. Besides I doubt Leta can get through ktf toss line to complete an all kill.
Yeah I know . Still.. might as well make Leta fans feel I'm not as biased as I am.
On August 19 2009 18:42 darktreb wrote: Ahahaha honestly I am REALLY GLAD that happened to Flash because now it will never happen in a game that actually matters.
I bet he's played literally 5000 TvTs in his life and NEVER done that until now.
Yep I would cry if it happened during his series vs Iris.
That was soooo bad. I've never seen even ~C players make a mistake like that. Let alone progamers. How can you not ever look at your main for like over 10 minutes? Flash must be happy he's not a Zerg player, he might have problems with DTs.
On August 19 2009 18:44 Shikyo wrote: That was soooo bad. I've never seen even ~C players make a mistake like that. Let alone progamers. How can you not ever look at your main for like over 10 minutes? Flash must be happy he's not a Zerg player, he might have problems with DTs.
if flash opted to build another fac, he would've seen it. but he didn't........
One interesting thing about that game is it demonstrated a lot about the difference between foreign and korean players. A foreign play would never make that mistake because their mechanics arent that streamlined. We actually LOOK at our factories sometimes when we macro. Korean pros apparently do it with hotkeys only never "wasting(normally...)" time to look at the facts.
On August 19 2009 18:44 Shikyo wrote: That was soooo bad. I've never seen even ~C players make a mistake like that. Let alone progamers. How can you not ever look at your main for like over 10 minutes? Flash must be happy he's not a Zerg player, he might have problems with DTs.
Isn't it way more efficient if you can macro without looking back at your production buildings? Andromeda's base layout just happened to put the facts out of vision from where Flash would be going back to build other buildings/upgrade.
That was soooo bad. I've never seen even ~C players make a mistake like that. Let alone progamers. How can you not ever look at your main for like over 10 minutes? Flash must be happy he's not a Zerg player, he might have problems with DTs.
He did that BECAUSE he's a progammer. He never looks at his factories and produces with hot keys only, something that C players would never do.
On August 19 2009 18:45 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: One interesting thing about that game is it demonstrated a lot about the difference between foreign and korean players. A foreign play would never make that mistake because their mechanics arent that streamlined. We actually LOOK at our factories sometimes when we macro. Korean pros apparently do it with hotkeys only never "wasting(normally...)" time to look at the facts.
4t5t6t7t
At one point in the game they showed Flash's FP view and the stuck Tanks actually were visible (admittedly at the very TOP of the screen) while he was macroing but apparently his macro is so streamlined that he didn't notice.
Guess when you're used to having Tanks stream out of your base like Flash, seeing Tanks on your screen while macroing doesn't quite register....
On August 19 2009 18:37 BlackMagister wrote: I feel ripped off. Glad that Leta won, but it shouldn't be when Flash makes such a big mistake. He must have missed a hotkey for setting a rally, and only did it later on when 6 tanks were already made without a rallly point.
Wrong.
The first tank was made without a rally point and he didnt notice. That tank blocked the exit for the other 5 that were rallied.
On August 19 2009 18:44 Shikyo wrote: That was soooo bad. I've never seen even ~C players make a mistake like that. Let alone progamers. How can you not ever look at your main for like over 10 minutes? Flash must be happy he's not a Zerg player, he might have problems with DTs.
if flash opted to build another fac, he would've seen it. but he didn't........
Yeah, but... well I guess some people just want to check their base at least once in a while to make sure nothing is fucked up like that.
On August 19 2009 18:44 Shikyo wrote: That was soooo bad. I've never seen even ~C players make a mistake like that. Let alone progamers. How can you not ever look at your main for like over 10 minutes? Flash must be happy he's not a Zerg player, he might have problems with DTs.
Isn't it way more efficient if you can macro without looking back at your production buildings? Andromeda's base layout just happened to put the facts out of vision from where Flash would be going back to build other buildings/upgrade.
Yep flash's macro style is much more effecient than using the mouse and moving the screen over the facts , but it sure bit him in the ass this game.
On August 19 2009 18:45 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: One interesting thing about that game is it demonstrated a lot about the difference between foreign and korean players. A foreign play would never make that mistake because their mechanics arent that streamlined. We actually LOOK at our factories sometimes when we macro. Korean pros apparently do it with hotkeys only never "wasting(normally...)" time to look at the facts.
4t5t6t7t
Yeah the streamlined mechanics of progamers allow for interesting cheese or mistakes like what Flash made. I remember a game where a progamer tried to cut down on scouting time by checking for geysers so when he scouted a base without a geyser he moved on not realizing that was where his opponent was. The geyser was built on because the other player was cheesing...
ForGG had the better early (I suppose) due to earlier mines and also got an earlier third. At the time being, both sit on 3 base with 3 gas, trying to secure locations around the map. ForGG wraith / tank at the moment, Leta gol / wraith. Currently the battle goes for bottom left (Leta top left, forgg bottom right)
Mass of tanks by forgg pushes through the middle to interrupt reinforcements for bottom left. Establishes position, kills rax. 4th also coming online for forgg. Leta reinforcing with 3 dropships.
ForGG killed some stuff, but Leta secured bottom left for now, so he is ahead by bases. GG has the min only next to his base running. Setting up tanks at the bottom right low ground now. Wraiths heading there too, he has about 10.
I dont know what you guys talking about that ForGG lost. He's in the lead with even base (both have 3 running expos) but forGG can take the other main + natural while Leta cannot since there'S a line of tanks.
GG intercepts some dropships at the min only near Leta's base, loses wraiths, but Leta's units are stranded for the most part! Low ground siege is set up and Leta getting boxed in there. Moves his tanks forward!
On August 19 2009 19:03 G.s)NarutO wrote: I dont know what you guys talking about that ForGG lost. He's in the lead with even base (both have 3 running expos) but forGG can take the other main + natural while Leta cannot since there'S a line of tanks.
Leta's expo under fire, gets dropship to help, but wraiths snipe ALL BUT ONE. Now tanks are pushing in and Leta will be forced to lift off this expansion (at 12)
Top right main base CC is done for ForGG. One vulture spots it, but no SCvs there to kill for the vult. ForGG looks like even taking the now vacant base at 12. Leta clearing out tanks at the bottom left natural, to be able to take it. Loses all his dropships in process, ForGG reinforces and holds the natural!
Yes, ForGG clearly lost. Wow. Sorry for the sarcasm but lots of guys really judge to early and have not enough knowledge of the game or just don't play attention. I don't know. Really good game by ForGG. He's still lacking unit control, but his dropship snipes and decision making (not the execution) are really good.
MY GOD THIS FORGG "OUTPOSITION OUT MACRO OUTPLAY" Looked like "The Pretender" for just a second, well hard part is out of the way, ogn zergs have bad zvp, this should be game for ktf.
On August 19 2009 19:09 G.s)NarutO wrote: Yes, ForGG clearly lost. Wow. Sorry for the sarcasm but lots of guys really judge to early and have not enough knowledge of the game or just don't play attention. I don't know. Really good game by ForGG. He's still lacking unit control, but his dropship snipes and decision making (not the execution) are really good.
On August 19 2009 19:09 G.s)NarutO wrote: Yes, ForGG clearly lost. Wow. Sorry for the sarcasm but lots of guys really judge to early and have not enough knowledge of the game or just don't play attention. I don't know. Really good game by ForGG. He's still lacking unit control, but his dropship snipes and decision making (not the execution) are really good.
All the game I had the feeling he's making it hard for himself.
On August 19 2009 19:09 G.s)NarutO wrote: Yes, ForGG clearly lost. Wow. Sorry for the sarcasm but lots of guys really judge to early and have not enough knowledge of the game or just don't play attention. I don't know. Really good game by ForGG. He's still lacking unit control, but his dropship snipes and decision making (not the execution) are really good.
I like tvt more and more, I think it has overtaken pvp as my favorite mirror. Nice to see that with 2 solid tvt wins ForGG seems to snap back out of the slump, would be good for kt and Flash.
On August 19 2009 19:09 G.s)NarutO wrote: Yes, ForGG clearly lost. Wow. Sorry for the sarcasm but lots of guys really judge to early and have not enough knowledge of the game or just don't play attention. I don't know. Really good game by ForGG. He's still lacking unit control, but his dropship snipes and decision making (not the execution) are really good.
On August 19 2009 19:09 G.s)NarutO wrote: Yes, ForGG clearly lost. Wow. Sorry for the sarcasm but lots of guys really judge to early and have not enough knowledge of the game or just don't play attention. I don't know. Really good game by ForGG. He's still lacking unit control, but his dropship snipes and decision making (not the execution) are really good.
On August 19 2009 19:09 G.s)NarutO wrote: Yes, ForGG clearly lost. Wow. Sorry for the sarcasm but lots of guys really judge to early and have not enough knowledge of the game or just don't play attention. I don't know. Really good game by ForGG. He's still lacking unit control, but his dropship snipes and decision making (not the execution) are really good.
Where's my high five -_-
Now own up, how many of you just slapped your monitor?
On August 19 2009 19:09 G.s)NarutO wrote: Yes, ForGG clearly lost. Wow. Sorry for the sarcasm but lots of guys really judge to early and have not enough knowledge of the game or just don't play attention. I don't know. Really good game by ForGG. He's still lacking unit control, but his dropship snipes and decision making (not the execution) are really good.
Where's my high five -_-
Now own up, how many of you just slapped your monitor?
gee what will it be proxy dt gate behind in forggs mineral line with probe to push dt in? Or maybe a shuttle loaded with dts and reavers into goon elevator. If this goes standard expect forgg trash mode or not to roll this clown.
On August 19 2009 19:09 G.s)NarutO wrote: Yes, ForGG clearly lost. Wow. Sorry for the sarcasm but lots of guys really judge to early and have not enough knowledge of the game or just don't play attention. I don't know. Really good game by ForGG. He's still lacking unit control, but his dropship snipes and decision making (not the execution) are really good.
Where's my high five -_-
Now own up, how many of you just slapped your monitor?
Why does forGG scout the bottom right of his base. Its not possible to build a gateway there (well it is, but you'll see it with your mining scvs) Its only possible to hide it in that location if the terran starts at the top o.,o
On August 19 2009 19:09 G.s)NarutO wrote: Yes, ForGG clearly lost. Wow. Sorry for the sarcasm but lots of guys really judge to early and have not enough knowledge of the game or just don't play attention. I don't know. Really good game by ForGG. He's still lacking unit control, but his dropship snipes and decision making (not the execution) are really good.
Where's my high five -_-
Now own up, how many of you just slapped your monitor?
Is there a 3rd Bisu vs Hwasin on Outsider that I am unaware of? The video you linked is the one I was referring to as the fast push to Bisu's fast expansion yet you say it isn't the game.
Forgg found the one timing window Horang2 left open but he barely held on with arb + dts against the limited scan of Forgg (no vessel because of how behind he was early game). Surprisingly close game considering how much damage the early goons did.
Is there a 3rd Bisu vs Hwasin on Outsider that I am unaware of? The video you linked is the one I was referring to as the fast push to Bisu's fast expansion yet you say it isn't the game.
haha... how the hell does siege expand equate to 2 fac push in your mind?
i won't try to embarrass you further. go watch it.
On August 19 2009 19:36 NovaTheFeared wrote: Forgg found the one timing window Horang2 left open but he barely held on with arb + dts against the limited scan of Forgg (no vessel because of how behind he was early game). Surprisingly close game considering how much damage the early goons did.
Completely agreed. ForGG did a good job given the situation he was in. But not enough.
He couldve played better early game though. Simply having mines on both sides of the bridges wouldve been enough.
ugh, forgg... and why waste violet so early better to send out a zerg, and save violet for the zvp impaired yarnc and typeb. I mean violet can win but its 50/50 at best.
Is there a 3rd Bisu vs Hwasin on Outsider that I am unaware of? The video you linked is the one I was referring to as the fast push to Bisu's fast expansion yet you say it isn't the game.
haha... how the hell does siege expand equate to 2 fac push in your mind?
i won't try to embarrass you further. go watch it.
My bad then. I didn't see the game. I just heard from a friend that it was a fast push from Hwasin.
On August 19 2009 19:39 mog87 wrote: ugh, forgg... and why waste violet so early better to send out a zerg, and save violet for the zvp impaired yarnc and typeb. I mean violet can win but its 50/50 at best.
Next map is Colosseum, which is P favored. Probably will send out a zerg on Medusa if Violet fails.
On August 19 2009 19:37 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: 2 base arb isnt all in at all.
Yeah, what he did was pretty much the opposite of all-in. He gained a large advantage with some really nice goon micro, but instead of following that up with loads more goons and trying to win straight off (which probably would've worked); he teched up and took another expansion. Although ForGG looked to be doing well, the tech and macro advantage Horang had was larger than it looked.
Is there a 3rd Bisu vs Hwasin on Outsider that I am unaware of? The video you linked is the one I was referring to as the fast push to Bisu's fast expansion yet you say it isn't the game.
haha... how the hell does siege expand equate to 2 fac push in your mind?
i won't try to embarrass you further. go watch it.
My bad then. I didn't see the game. I just heard from a friend that it was a fast push from Hwasin.
Good job arguing about a game you haven't seen. *Claps*
Is there a 3rd Bisu vs Hwasin on Outsider that I am unaware of? The video you linked is the one I was referring to as the fast push to Bisu's fast expansion yet you say it isn't the game.
haha... how the hell does siege expand equate to 2 fac push in your mind?
i won't try to embarrass you further. go watch it.
My bad then. I didn't see the game. I just heard from a friend that it was a fast push from Hwasin.
On August 19 2009 19:39 mog87 wrote: ugh, forgg... and why waste violet so early better to send out a zerg, and save violet for the zvp impaired yarnc and typeb. I mean violet can win but its 50/50 at best.
I don't think they'll use Yarnc cause he's training for OSL Finals, but they'll use Tybe-B for sure.
sorry for this but: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL @ flash such a douch! being called the tvt monster 2 days ago and now losing to his sparing partner... + Show Spoiler +
also, as a fanboy i have the perfect ability to see everything in pink: probably leta said "i dont want food, i want a win, let me win if we face in masters. that explains the idle tanks.
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
Or better yet call up yarnc. "Um ya..its not going well...can you get down here please...yes I know you have to play jaedong...what?...fuck fine."
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
win what? like 5th place in the STX Cup?
go.go is the best progamer alive. idk what youre talking about
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
win what? like 5th place in the STX Cup?
go.go is the best progamer alive. idk what youre talking about
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
win what? like 5th place in the STX Cup?
go.go is the best progamer alive. idk what youre talking about
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
Save the best for last
ogn blows vs toss as they always have historically, gogo or type b, they better hope the sc pro formely knows as hoggy wins, cause typeb or gogo are underdogs vs violet, but I dont know the 6th set map, so whichever race is better will prolly go.
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
Save the best for last
ogn blows vs toss as they always have historically, gogo or type b, they better hope the sc pro formely knows as hoggy wins, cause typeb or gogo are underdogs vs violet, but I dont know the 6th set map, so whichever race is better will prolly go.
they'll send go.go if hogil loses. i feel it in my balls.
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
Save the best for last
ogn blows vs toss as they always have historically, gogo or type b, they better hope the sc pro formely knows as hoggy wins, cause typeb or gogo are underdogs vs violet, but I dont know the 6th set map, so whichever race is better will prolly go.
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
Save the best for last
ogn blows vs toss as they always have historically, gogo or type b, they better hope the sc pro formely knows as hoggy wins, cause typeb or gogo are underdogs vs violet, but I dont know the 6th set map, so whichever race is better will prolly go.
they'll send go.go if hogil loses. i feel it in my balls.
Thats just your unborn children crying out for freedom.
I know the LR thread is not the best thread to ask this, but how viable is "faking" 2 hatch hydra, with minor pressure, to force the mass cannons? Wont that equalize the economies?
On August 19 2009 20:07 OSWater wrote: for the love of god, sparkyz this has gone long enough. Just send out go.go so you can win and we can all go to sleep happy.
Save the best for last
ogn blows vs toss as they always have historically, gogo or type b, they better hope the sc pro formely knows as hoggy wins, cause typeb or gogo are underdogs vs violet, but I dont know the 6th set map, so whichever race is better will prolly go.
hoggy? wtf with sparkyz hate?
He used to be pretty fat, and has lost some weight, but I called him hoggy when he was fat or july-esque if you prefer.
I dont understand why HoGiL did wait for additional 4 hydras. He could have won against 3 zealot / 3 cannon with 8 hydra / 8 ling instead of facing 7 cannons with 12 hydras and 8 lings... o.,o I know speed was not done, but I think you should upgrade speed and then range because more hydras and faster reinforcements > range at that moment. Just my 2 cents..
On August 19 2009 20:24 G.s)NarutO wrote: I dont understand why HoGiL did wait for additional 4 hydras. He could have won against 3 zealot / 3 cannon with 8 hydra / 8 ling instead of facing 7 cannons with 12 hydras and 8 lings... o.,o I know speed was not done, but I think you should upgrade speed and then range because more hydras and faster reinforcements > range at that moment. Just my 2 cents..
On August 19 2009 20:24 GoSu wrote: One of the 1st time I see a set like that. He doesn't go out on his base with units. just camping + storm + canon. GG XD
if you don't camp like that, you die unfortunately.
Man Hogil 's haircut sucks, it's like he wears a helmet made out of hair. July is not exactly slim either, but he looks a lot better. And Go go Violet, baller. ^__^
On August 19 2009 20:24 G.s)NarutO wrote: I dont understand why HoGiL did wait for additional 4 hydras. He could have won against 3 zealot / 3 cannon with 8 hydra / 8 ling instead of facing 7 cannons with 12 hydras and 8 lings... o.,o I know speed was not done, but I think you should upgrade speed and then range because more hydras and faster reinforcements > range at that moment. Just my 2 cents..
On August 19 2009 20:24 G.s)NarutO wrote: I dont understand why HoGiL did wait for additional 4 hydras. He could have won against 3 zealot / 3 cannon with 8 hydra / 8 ling instead of facing 7 cannons with 12 hydras and 8 lings... o.,o I know speed was not done, but I think you should upgrade speed and then range because more hydras and faster reinforcements > range at that moment. Just my 2 cents..
Id say he was pretty fucked either way.
His way of being fucked: 90% chance to lose My way of being fucked: 65% chance to lose
lets hope violet gets this, i think he really can. otherwise theres only firefist left to save the day, and type-b has been training vz hard lately... so think if violet loses here, kt loses...
Oh man, the custom TL graphics on zeroboy.net are an awesome little detail. I forget which TL user is responsible for this page but whoever you are, well done.
On August 19 2009 20:41 JWD wrote: Oh man, the custom TL graphics on zeroboy.net are an awesome little detail. I forget which TL user is responsible for this page but whoever you are, well done.
me? lol. icon is from the pony express team shirts are from jhnz
On August 19 2009 20:41 JWD wrote: Oh man, the custom TL graphics on zeroboy.net are an awesome little detail. I forget which TL user is responsible for this page but whoever you are, well done.
me? lol
Hello!!!
Edit: lol, Kentor is even in bold in the OP. Big mystery solved...
Sometimes its so strange to me the things the commentators DON'T react to.
Like they get all excited when the pylon goes down but then violet catches like 8 overlords with his sairs and they hardly react at all...makes no sense
Is it just me or did violet react horrible to the pressure at his front? Either give up and go up the ramp or DO something to actually hold the front. Losing those 3 temps was inexcuseable.
On August 19 2009 20:50 GoSu wrote: FlaSh vs Type B PLEASE!
Dude wtf is wrong with You. Most of Your comments in LR threads are so confusing or unnecessary or kinda retarded... FlaSh already played, so how can You write Tybe-b vs Flash plz?
On August 19 2009 20:50 GoSu wrote: FlaSh vs Type B PLEASE!
Dude wtf is wrong with You. Most of Your comments in LR threads are so confusing or unnecessary or kinda retarded... FlaSh already played, so how can You write Tybe-b vs Flash plz?
On August 19 2009 20:50 GoSu wrote: FlaSh vs Type B PLEASE!
Dude wtf is wrong with You. Most of Your comments in LR threads are so confusing or unnecessary or kinda retarded... FlaSh already played, so how can You write Tybe-b vs Flash plz?
Ya this isn't like proleague you don't get to send out whoever you want in the final game. It's all kill team format.
On August 19 2009 20:50 GoSu wrote: FlaSh vs Type B PLEASE!
Dude wtf is wrong with You. Most of Your comments in LR threads are so confusing or unnecessary or kinda retarded... FlaSh already played, so how can You write Tybe-b vs Flash plz?
welcome to recent LR threads
I said that in kidding way if you didnt understand.. sorry TT just I would like to see FlaSh again but I know that he cant.
On August 19 2009 20:50 GoSu wrote: FlaSh vs Type B PLEASE!
Dude wtf is wrong with You. Most of Your comments in LR threads are so confusing or unnecessary or kinda retarded... FlaSh already played, so how can You write Tybe-b vs Flash plz?
My keyboard has the keys shift, t, y, p, e, -, b, v, s, f, l, a, s, and h. Pretty easy imo
On August 19 2009 20:50 GoSu wrote: FlaSh vs Type B PLEASE!
Dude wtf is wrong with You. Most of Your comments in LR threads are so confusing or unnecessary or kinda retarded... FlaSh already played, so how can You write Tybe-b vs Flash plz?
welcome to recent LR threads
I said that in kidding way if you didnt understand.. sorry TT just I would like to see FlaSh again but I know that he cant.
God's Garden is an extremely hard map for P but Violet couldve played that so much better. He saves up storms and then loses the temps without storming...choke.
On August 19 2009 20:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: God's Garden is an extremely hard map for P but Violet couldve played that so much better. He saves up storms and then loses the temps without storming...choke.
wouldn't call it choke, but KT sure does what it cans to lose today, first flash, now violet
On August 19 2009 20:50 GoSu wrote: FlaSh vs Type B PLEASE!
Dude wtf is wrong with You. Most of Your comments in LR threads are so confusing or unnecessary or kinda retarded... FlaSh already played, so how can You write Tybe-b vs Flash plz?
welcome to recent LR threads
I said that in kidding way if you didnt understand.. sorry TT just I would like to see FlaSh again but I know that he cant.
On August 19 2009 20:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: God's Garden is an extremely hard map for P but Violet couldve played that so much better. He saves up storms and then loses the temps without storming...choke.
wouldn't call it choke, but KT sure does what it cans to lose today, first flash, now violet
What would you call it then? A massive mistake costing him the game?
On August 19 2009 20:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: God's Garden is an extremely hard map for P but Violet couldve played that so much better. He saves up storms and then loses the temps without storming...choke.
wouldn't call it choke, but KT sure does what it cans to lose today, first flash, now violet
On August 19 2009 20:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: God's Garden is an extremely hard map for P but Violet couldve played that so much better. He saves up storms and then loses the temps without storming...choke.
wouldn't call it choke, but KT sure does what it cans to lose today, first flash, now violet
Lol ya really. They are probably paying lux pretty well and he is definitely not preforming at an starleague winner level. Specially not in the team leagues. Coaches and management frown on that.
On August 19 2009 20:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: God's Garden is an extremely hard map for P but Violet couldve played that so much better. He saves up storms and then loses the temps without storming...choke.
wouldn't call it choke, but KT sure does what it cans to lose today, first flash, now violet
What would you call it then? A massive mistake costing him the game?
Sounds like a choke to me.
i feel that choke has to be connected with some psychological faktor, like pressure from oponent or mind games, this looked more like to simple mistake to me, but anyone can call it whatever he choses
On August 19 2009 20:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: God's Garden is an extremely hard map for P but Violet couldve played that so much better. He saves up storms and then loses the temps without storming...choke.
wouldn't call it choke, but KT sure does what it cans to lose today, first flash, now violet
What would you call it then? A massive mistake costing him the game?
Sounds like a choke to me.
i feel that choke has to be connected with some psychological faktor, like pressure from oponent or mind games, this looked more like to simple mistake to me, but anyone can call it whatever he choses
On August 19 2009 21:00 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Lol ya really. They are probably paying lux pretty well and he is definitely not preforming at an starleague winner level. Specially not in the team leagues. Coaches and management frown on that.
That might be the reason he's never won an OSL!
Overgas at ~200min -> 11pool for Firefish, 12poolgas for Type-B
why is it that the twins are never good at the same time? when one does well, the other does terribly. like now, yarnc is in the osl finals while lux doesnt even get to play in stx masters
On August 19 2009 21:06 ghostWriter wrote: why is it that the twins are never good at the same time? when one does well, the other does terribly. like now, yarnc is in the osl finals while lux doesnt even get to play in stx masters
Maybe only one is actually good but they switch places and the good one plays as the other one from time to time to maximize the profits !
On August 19 2009 21:06 ghostWriter wrote: why is it that the twins are never good at the same time? when one does well, the other does terribly. like now, yarnc is in the osl finals while lux doesnt even get to play in stx masters
yarnc was the one who played at the msl final, but nobody knows...
Firefist taking gases out, all he has to do is defend from allin ling and expand himself. Or just kill spores like this. Lol firefist you weren't expecting the allin ling? -_-;;;;;;;;; Why are they so bad.
Basically type-B played terribly after a huge BO advantage but Firefist didn't realize that type-B needed to allin ling so he didn't defend it although it was the only thing type-B could possibly do and hence Firefist lost. A badly played game by both pretty much.
On August 19 2009 21:10 Vasoline73 wrote: Ugh seriously effing Violet -_-. I blame that kid. Haha.
why not flash? he lost game 1 -_-
No. I won't back my comment with any reason. It's just Violet's fault. jk. Yeah. Overall KT just isn't that strong and it pisses me off. All their players minus Flash are so on and off.. and mostly off..
On August 19 2009 21:10 GoSu wrote: Well Type B. smart play. Nothing to say. FireFist didnt see that coming.
Wut?
I mean TypeB put an excellent timing and a zergling rush at the end. and FireFist didnt excepect something like because he did ? He should have anticipated something for that.
On August 19 2009 21:10 GoSu wrote: Well Type B. smart play. Nothing to say. FireFist didnt see that coming.
Wut?
I mean TypeB put an excellent timing and a zergling rush at the end. and FireFist didnt excepect something like because he did ? He should have anticipated something for that.
There wasnt reallya timing in that, it was more type-b going "oshit i cant make mutas, uhhhh 1a2a lings gogogogogo"
On August 19 2009 21:10 GoSu wrote: Well Type B. smart play. Nothing to say. FireFist didnt see that coming.
Wut?
I mean TypeB put an excellent timing and a zergling rush at the end. and FireFist didnt excepect something like because he did ? He should have anticipated something for that.
There wasnt reallya timing in that, it was more type-b going "oshit i cant make mutas, uhhhh 1a2a lings gogogogogo"
Yeah it wasn't a timing at all, he was forced to that because he wasn't mining gas in his main for a long time and his nat gas way way too late. All Firefist had to do was to defend against a ling allin that he should've seen coming. How he couldn't is beyond me, type-B didn't even have a spire afaik.
On August 19 2009 21:10 GoSu wrote: Well Type B. smart play. Nothing to say. FireFist didnt see that coming.
Wut?
I mean TypeB put an excellent timing and a zergling rush at the end. and FireFist didnt excepect something like because he did ? He should have anticipated something for that.
There wasnt reallya timing in that, it was more type-b going "oshit i cant make mutas, uhhhh 1a2a lings gogogogogo"
Yeah it wasn't a timing at all, he was forced to that because he wasn't mining gas in his main for a long time and his nat gas way way too late. All Firefist had to do was to defend against a ling allin that he should've seen coming. How he couldn't is beyond me, type-B didn't even have a spire afaik.
On August 19 2009 21:10 GoSu wrote: Well Type B. smart play. Nothing to say. FireFist didnt see that coming.
Wut?
I mean TypeB put an excellent timing and a zergling rush at the end. and FireFist didnt excepect something like because he did ? He should have anticipated something for that.
There wasnt reallya timing in that, it was more type-b going "oshit i cant make mutas, uhhhh 1a2a lings gogogogogo"
Yeah it wasn't a timing at all, he was forced to that because he wasn't mining gas in his main for a long time and his nat gas way way too late. All Firefist had to do was to defend against a ling allin that he should've seen coming. How he couldn't is beyond me, type-B didn't even have a spire afaik.
Yeah that was pretty awful...FireFists's lings were sitting in a blob in some useless place in the middle of the map
On August 19 2009 21:10 GoSu wrote: Well Type B. smart play. Nothing to say. FireFist didnt see that coming.
Wut?
I mean TypeB put an excellent timing and a zergling rush at the end. and FireFist didnt excepect something like because he did ? He should have anticipated something for that.
There wasnt reallya timing in that, it was more type-b going "oshit i cant make mutas, uhhhh 1a2a lings gogogogogo"
Yeah it wasn't a timing at all, he was forced to that because he wasn't mining gas in his main for a long time and his nat gas way way too late. All Firefist had to do was to defend against a ling allin that he should've seen coming. How he couldn't is beyond me, type-B didn't even have a spire afaik.
It was not ling allin...Firefist allined when stayed in type-b's base and started to lose mutas to spores. Type-b just sent a counterattack and if he would have lost his main he had still his nat while Firefist would have lost his main and the game aswell. It was not 'omg mutas in my base 1a2a the lings fast lol.
On August 19 2009 21:10 GoSu wrote: Well Type B. smart play. Nothing to say. FireFist didnt see that coming.
Wut?
I mean TypeB put an excellent timing and a zergling rush at the end. and FireFist didnt excepect something like because he did ? He should have anticipated something for that.
There wasnt reallya timing in that, it was more type-b going "oshit i cant make mutas, uhhhh 1a2a lings gogogogogo"
Yeah it wasn't a timing at all, he was forced to that because he wasn't mining gas in his main for a long time and his nat gas way way too late. All Firefist had to do was to defend against a ling allin that he should've seen coming. How he couldn't is beyond me, type-B didn't even have a spire afaik.
On August 19 2009 21:22 valaki wrote: It was not ling allin...Firefist allined when stayed in type-b's base and started to lose mutas to spores. Type-b just sent a counterattack and if he would have lost his main he had still his nat while Firefist would have lost his main and the game aswell. It was not 'omg mutas in my base 1a2a the lings fast lol.
It was a total allin; Had Firefist not been an idiot and had he sent his mutas to defend or sniped lings on the way or made lings of his own, Type-B would have been dead. like 12 mutas can > like 3-4 spores if you have no other antiair.
On August 19 2009 21:22 valaki wrote: It was not ling allin...Firefist allined when stayed in type-b's base and started to lose mutas to spores. Type-b just sent a counterattack and if he would have lost his main he had still his nat while Firefist would have lost his main and the game aswell. It was not 'omg mutas in my base 1a2a the lings fast lol.
It was a total allin; Had Firefist not been an idiot and had he sent his mutas to defend or sniped lings on the way or made lings of his own, Type-B would have been dead. like 12 mutas can > like 3-4 spores if you have no other antiair.
And gas, he would have had to make like 2 more spores around each gas to defend them and get mutas of his own, and the further the game went on and the more mutas firefail got the more pressure that type-b would have been in
On August 19 2009 22:11 C[SCL] wrote: if luxury isn't really going to be resigned, SKT should go grab him immediately. I like Hyuk to succeed, but, i still have doubts. lol
Are you hoping the failzerg curse has a reverse effect on those already slumping?
On August 19 2009 22:11 C[SCL] wrote: if luxury isn't really going to be resigned, SKT should go grab him immediately. I like Hyuk to succeed, but, i still have doubts. lol
Are you hoping the failzerg curse has a reverse effect on those already slumping?
even if he's slumping now, we have to acknowledge the fact that before his MSL win, he was a consistent Ro16 player or maybe even Ro8. lol
On August 19 2009 22:11 C[SCL] wrote: if luxury isn't really going to be resigned, SKT should go grab him immediately. I like Hyuk to succeed, but, i still have doubts. lol
On August 19 2009 22:11 C[SCL] wrote: if luxury isn't really going to be resigned, SKT should go grab him immediately. I like Hyuk to succeed, but, i still have doubts. lol
what really. he should go back to hite lol
Hite already has tons of good Zergs, Luxury wouldn't stand a chance there
On August 19 2009 22:11 C[SCL] wrote: if luxury isn't really going to be resigned, SKT should go grab him immediately. I like Hyuk to succeed, but, i still have doubts. lol
what really. he should go back to hite lol
Hite already has tons of good Zergs, Luxury wouldn't stand a chance there
yeah lol. and i would take luxury anyday over thezerg, but not Hyuk. lol just imagine if luxury becomes a beast again.
Words cannot describe how much fail there was in this match. From Flash losing his first game, a TvT no less. To Horang2 losing to army carried by dropships, to Violet throwing away templars in bulk, and ending with the epic fail that is Firefist.
This series should really be recommended if only for how many facepalm moments there were.
On August 19 2009 23:01 DIMJkE wrote: So...how much is a plane ticket to Blizzcon?
Too bad Flash gave up Blizzcon for this.
Please people can we stop forgetting WCG? rofl if it was just this he would have gone 100%
Effort is in the same boat for WCG. He went to blizzcon ;_;
Unless Flash really wants to school him badly on the 25th. If Effort(or Flash) leaves at the 23rd, he would be at Korea at the 24th most likely.But that doesnt matter, I bet progamers can adjust their sleep and jetlag anyway.
I think the reason is not this simple unless its confirmed. -Flash is probably a nubcake and never traveled outside of the country. -KT coach being a dick, forcing him to stay to help Master's.
On August 19 2009 22:11 C[SCL] wrote: if luxury isn't really going to be resigned, SKT should go grab him immediately. I like Hyuk to succeed, but, i still have doubts. lol
what really. he should go back to hite lol
Hite already has tons of good Zergs, Luxury wouldn't stand a chance there
yeah, he wouldn't even be the best member of his family on hite.
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Sea.Leta < Neo Harmony > 
Horang2 < Colosseum II > 
HoGiL < Neo Medusa > ![[image loading]](http://media.tuzulo.com/images/5yrjc/5yhd9/08172009-KIMJAECHOON3.jpg)
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type-b > ![[image loading]](http://intothesunset.kilu.de/tl/teamicons/olleh.png)
olleh![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1218002695_1.jpg)
