EPTProtoss Vs Terran Deep thoughts (Jack handy)
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GoSexyPerli
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Guillaume84
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z7-RaiN
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On December 11 2003 18:50 GoSexyPerli wrote: Sure. The terran force is controlable early to mid game. When He takes his mineral only and begins to mass 3/3 tanks and goliathes then things get trick and overly annoying. You have been maxed for a long while but it doesnt matter, you might have even fucking stopped one attemp at a contain. You have an island and a main is warping in. But guess what. With the Terran Nifty comsat he will scan the shit out of you and just counter whatever you have. The Terran will then proceed to take control of the middle with his ungodly amount of tanks and mines. YOu are maxed but you are still scared to attack his big gay force. if you do, it usually dissapears even with the strongest of micro due to mines and good teank placement? You think to yourself, how did it come to this? how did i let him get 23047 3/3 tanks with enough factories to tech change at will. You try carriers but by this time its so predictable the Terran laughs at you. Maybe you try some recall on his facs, hoping to delay his production and just piss him the fuck off. It doesnt work. Its and endless fucking struggle late game P vs T vs a Decent Terran. When i say decent, im talking someone like.. Proxa[hp. You stay maxed for so long and yet you can accomplish so little. Too many probes maybe? some games I rack up 90-110 of those little fuckers and i think thats the problem with my attacks vs large homosexual slow pushes. Storm help, but HT seem to be lazy and scared of the giant mines that pop up and send them back to Auir. I miss the good old days when Carriers actually worked and people wouldnt blind and kill your obs left and right. =[ if u are just ranting cuz u are bored then ignore my reply, however if u aren't and want advice, then here is some: when u get maxed make the maximum amount of gateways and take as many expos that are contiguous to the area of the map that u control with your units. once he begins to push you, just rally every single gateway to where his units are, and produce non stop zealots and goons. I prefer a ratio of 3:4, zealot:goon. there's no reason a terran should beat u with his push if u are out-resourcing him by at least 1.5:1, just macro like a motherfucker | ||
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GoSexyPerli
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iD.Twisted
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z7-RaiN
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On December 11 2003 19:02 GoSexyPerli wrote: no i really want advice. So.. your saying like 20+ gates in each main with 4 gate arb and just wear him down basically? It seems like when they take control of a main things get so much harder. for every 2 crystals, you can support non stop production from 1 gateway, so for every main that contains 8 nodes, u can support nonstop production from 4 gates...of course there are other obvious things to factor in such as, if u have like 10k in the bank and u havent been spending, then make like a LOT more gates to make up for not spending...but if u are playing efficiently, then 4 gates per 8 crystals, and for 2nd naturals with only 6, then 3 gates is efficent you only need arbiters if hes able to secure a 3rd or more vespenes, cuz then simple ground units like zeal goon will just get outright romped by fully upgraded tank vult goliath, or if u get a 3rd vespene, then it's usually good to get one or two to secure the win and about the point you made about needing to wear him down...ya that is right because he is only going to attack you in a push fashion which means that u have no other way of destroying the push other than attacking it straight up...and dont go carrier tech unless u are maxed, thats how ppl lose games they should have won cuz a good terran will scan it then push right away | ||
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S(O)ME(O)NE
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z7-RaiN
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some of these strats would include dt drop (or proxy dt rush / proxy dt drop), expoing fast to the 9 o clock main, and proxy reaver | ||
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GoSexyPerli
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z7-RaiN
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On December 11 2003 19:16 GoSexyPerli wrote: I think that i need to get in the mindset that im not going to beat a good terran by simplay making one awesome attack late game that fucks him up. Its about time.. and pressure... time.. and pressure... thats all it takes really...time...and pressure ; - ) (morgan freeman) | ||
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GoSexyPerli
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z7-RaiN
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GoSexyPerli
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z7-RaiN
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BlackJack
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z7-RaiN
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On December 11 2003 19:51 BlackJack wrote: cheese him early. wall his wall, zealot rush, reaver drop, dt drop. You reach every tech and keep him contained. Then just expo and mass. Each time he tries to take his mineral only, mass him. It will kill his second nat, your entire army, and his entire army. Both of you rebuild, and do it again until he runs out of money. you obviously haven't played any defensive terrans, in which case "killing his 2nd nat then rebuild and repeat" usually goes more along the lines of "attempt to kill his 2nd nat...lose everything while only killing a few tanks and a turret..and then losing to a, now unstoppable, tank push" | ||
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surv
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HovZ
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On December 11 2003 19:00 z7-RaiN wrote: if u are just ranting cuz u are bored then ignore my reply, however if u aren't and want advice, then here is some: when u get maxed make the maximum amount of gateways and take as many expos that are contiguous to the area of the map that u control with your units. once he begins to push you, just rally every single gateway to where his units are, and produce non stop zealots and goons. I prefer a ratio of 3:4, zealot:goon. there's no reason a terran should beat u with his push if u are out-resourcing him by at least 1.5:1, just macro like a motherfucker then why do i always beats u in this situation | ||
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HovZ
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Senff
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surv
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BigBalls
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carrier kill expos. no expos, no units. | ||
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ColdLava
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PERLI PERLI!!!!  <3... no, <4! Dude, haven't seen you in a long time, what's your bnet name now? (Mine is FadeTobeethoven on europe and east, sometimes Jimmy307 on europe when I'm not playing wgtour ^^ | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
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Tien
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Ive seen mass arbs with stasis work pretty well. Who has every tried stasising workers? wonder if it works. | ||
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surv
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DV8
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On December 11 2003 23:23 FroZZoR wrote: Mass carrier/templar owns goliath... at least on lotem. Once they reach the critical mass of like 12+ carrier it is almost impossible to stop. This is too true. The only thing you can do if you remember is sci. But the problem with that is most late game terrans never have enough gas to pull it off. | ||
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pericolum
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they own u | ||
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DJEtterStyle
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iD.Twisted
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BC is the only way to go! | ||
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GoSexyPerli
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NewbieMcNasty
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ky[Z]
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On December 11 2003 18:50 GoSexyPerli wrote: Sure. The terran force is controlable early to mid game. When He takes his mineral only and begins to mass 3/3 tanks and goliathes then things get trick and overly annoying. You have been maxed for a long while but it doesnt matter, you might have even fucking stopped one attemp at a contain. You have an island and a main is warping in. But guess what. With the Terran Nifty comsat he will scan the shit out of you and just counter whatever you have. The Terran will then proceed to take control of the middle with his ungodly amount of tanks and mines. YOu are maxed but you are still scared to attack his big gay force. if you do, it usually dissapears even with the strongest of micro due to mines and good teank placement? You think to yourself, how did it come to this? how did i let him get 23047 3/3 tanks with enough factories to tech change at will. You try carriers but by this time its so predictable the Terran laughs at you. Maybe you try some recall on his facs, hoping to delay his production and just piss him the fuck off. It doesnt work. Its and endless fucking struggle late game P vs T vs a Decent Terran. When i say decent, im talking someone like.. Proxa[hp. You stay maxed for so long and yet you can accomplish so little. Too many probes maybe? some games I rack up 90-110 of those little fuckers and i think thats the problem with my attacks vs large homosexual slow pushes. Storm help, but HT seem to be lazy and scared of the giant mines that pop up and send them back to Auir. I miss the good old days when Carriers actually worked and people wouldnt blind and kill your obs left and right. =[ bgh is where you belong. | ||
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DV8
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On December 11 2003 23:46 Twisted wrote: Sci vessels don't matter vs carrier. It's only 150 shield they lose, and they still have 350 hp (with 7 armor if fully upgraded, which makes gol attack 14 dmg less). BC is the only way to go! To get the temps  , but yeah you can always say well toss can put em in a shuttle. If they are in a shuttle than they aren't on the field storming your gols. | ||
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GoSexyPerli
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Ace
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Johnnyblaze
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AS far as i see it, Protoss cannot beat terran with a 200/200 supply with science vessel support. Not even temps can save them. every1 is saying use temps. It's not easy securing your gas expos. GOod terrans will hit it hard, vulture harassment tanks drops. It's very hard being toss. My suggestion is to harass early on and keep harassing with drops. Try not to let the game get too long or u're fuked basically. Look at NTT for example, after a certain time frame, he is unstoppable. Not even temps can save toss. Stasis field can though. Disruption web can as well, but that's risky to even try. | ||
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Tien
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gogo
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z7-RaiN
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On December 11 2003 21:42 HovZ wrote: then why do i always beats u in this situation haha whatever u aren't a consistent player anyways, last game we had i ran 6 goons past your lifted barracks and you attempted to defend with one vulture (NO SPEED OR MINES) | ||
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iGgs
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On December 12 2003 03:26 Liquid`Drone wrote: well you CANT FILL hallusinated shuttles!;!;!;"! so? you can use them to absorb hits :[ obviously ;o;o | ||
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HovZ
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ShiningMoon
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On December 12 2003 01:38 gogo wrote: one thing people seldom try vs metal is mass gay cannons. it definitely slows down terran a lot more. just storm while theyre trying to tear your cannons down. imo, if you have 70 to 80% percent of the map, its really easier to win vs terr. except of course on islands. You stupid? Mass gay cannons? Would be better to spend those on gateways and more exp. 80% of the map would win you a game or you should just die. | ||
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surv
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'u cant beat a 200/200 tank gol 3-3-3.' Yes u can this is absolutely bs. And some people already mentioned how to do it. 4/5 cars zeal/goon/temp, storm raids, add some arbitter. recall a small unit group to rape some exps. If u have really mass amount of money u could go and sacfricice most probes to get suply for more units. Dont go to heavy on expanding. Stay 1/2 expand ahead in mid game. Once u reach 200/200 yea well then u have to take the remaining expands. In other words dont be to greedy or u will be overrun. | ||
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RickJSanchez
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On December 12 2003 00:54 Johnnyblaze wrote: good thread. AS far as i see it, Protoss cannot beat terran with a 200/200 supply with science vessel support. Not even temps can save them. every1 is saying use temps. It's not easy securing your gas expos. GOod terrans will hit it hard, vulture harassment tanks drops. It's very hard being toss. My suggestion is to harass early on and keep harassing with drops. Try not to let the game get too long or u're fuked basically. Look at NTT for example, after a certain time frame, he is unstoppable. Not even temps can save toss. Stasis field can though. Disruption web can as well, but that's risky to even try. thats why good Protoss players take risks and dont stick to what theyve been doin for the past 3 years. | ||
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NeverTheEndlessWiz
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BinGBonG[gamei]
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so it worked pretty well ^^ ( i used it when he unsiege his tanks )i like in the endgame to make like 20 templars cost almost no minerals,so i can build + 10 gates. i grade hallucinate,hallucinate 20 zeals make the temps argons and attac(and hope some tanks die our ur fucked ) | ||
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BinGBonG[gamei]
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On December 12 2003 12:04 Liquid`Drone wrote: just cause a dutch g sounds like a chrKHCkr doesnt mean argon and archon are pronounced the same way OH SORRY LORD DRONE | ||
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Napoleic
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If you really have unlimited money, arbiter/carrier is the premier endgame force, add sairs if has wraiths. Nothing terran has can match that. Just make like 4 or 5 stargates with your 12+ gateways, attack him with the ground forces that you have, replenish them (make lots of dts in the following waves since they will help lots if he unseiges and attacks outside of the protection of his turrets) and gradually build up your fleet as supply allows. Sacrifice probes to keep supply up for your ground force while you do this. Once you get 2 or 3 arbs and 8 or so carriers, it won't matter what he has. Recall to break second mains if he manages to snatch one while your ground force is falling, stasis to own masses of goliaths or enemy air forces, it's pretty easy if you really do have practically unlimited money. | ||
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[CS]Pablo
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On December 12 2003 03:28 GoSexyPerli wrote: oh lol.. but if you hallucinate a filled shuttle does the new shuttle have units in it? Prolly. But since you can't unload the hallucinated shuttle either, it's kind of irrelevant | ||
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Rekrul
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LMNt
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Carnac
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On December 12 2003 12:04 Liquid`Drone wrote: just cause a dutch g sounds like a chrKHCkr doesnt mean argon and archon are pronounced the same way since there is no way to pronounce "chrKHCkr" in any language there is nothing that can sound like this  | ||
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iD.Twisted
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When I say it in Dutch, it's pronounced Argon though :D | ||
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surv
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JeeJee
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try to not fight an all-out war unless u have 2 more bases than the terran... even so... try to keep the war from coming, keep the ran on edge of his seat my main problem with PvT is that i die to their first push, u know, they go fast expo, 4-5 facts, attack and i die.. i can't rev or dt cuz they have 3-4 turrets by each mineral line, and temps die from 2 tanks sieged by each cc ... PvT is gay | ||
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StarBrift
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On March 22 2009 17:49 thabumper wrote: bump Ban? | ||
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KP_CollectoR
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On March 22 2009 17:49 thabumper wrote: bump LOL | ||
Hot_Bid
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Did you seriously just bump a thread two days later to say "ban?" | ||
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LuckyFool
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The rebump for ban question was pretty epic too. | ||
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On December 11 2003 22:30 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: yet another reason to stop being a toss player Oh man what an old school comment, how the times have changed.... | ||
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