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besseriym
Profile Joined February 2009
United States42 Posts
April 15 2009 14:20 GMT
#41
Wow, this is really well written. Easy to understand and is backed up with plenty of screenshots for reference. There's lots of good info in here too...thanks for this.
Whoa...people still play Starcraft?!?!?...awesome. ^^
ted.
Profile Joined October 2008
United States81 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-15 14:51:59
April 15 2009 14:48 GMT
#42
Yea if your playing a hunters map where you actually can tank drop (most commonly played hunters maps now you can't) and you fail it then you are DEFINITELY screwed. Hunters is more micro oriented while bgh is more macro oriented (obviously). So basically all your early units in hunters are much more important, its much easier to rebuild a big army in bgh or recover when you are behind because you can turtle and catch up etc. In hunters every time you win a battle you definitely gain a bigger advantage than you do in bgh.

Also I am sure a lot of you guys know this but if you want to start getting into team games on BGH I reccomend you go to Asia server and go to channel Brood War Ladder. Its full of gosu koreans who really know how to properly play team games and they constantly host hunters inners. Or if you are with friends one of you guys can host a game, and one spams the game name in the channel. Your games fill up within seconds. Everyone in the chan is gosu, avg 200-400 apm. It really teaches you how to properly team play and develops your hunters mechanics. Playing lots of these is definitely a good way to master team play on hunters/bgh, since the fundamentals of hunters teamplay and bgh teamplay are the same, bgh is just more macro basically.
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 15 2009 15:14 GMT
#43
lololol Insane I think I have seen you on that b.net name before xD
I think you were on my team once.
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da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
April 15 2009 15:59 GMT
#44
i used to play bgh all the time, but after getting triple teamed constantly by noobs while attempting a strategy that doesn't involve spamming zealots (and being called a noob BY the noobs), i quit it lol
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ted.
Profile Joined October 2008
United States81 Posts
April 15 2009 16:18 GMT
#45
Yea BGH is infinitely more fun if you are playing with players who know how to play as a team, vs players who know how to play as a team. When you got 6 good team players this map is seriously a BLAST.

Bghers.com is undergoing some changes but pretty soon we are going to be hosting regular tournaments, and then hosting a bgh league. So all of you TLer's better get your friends and start practicing 2v2 and 3v3 BGH, cause shit is about to get real!
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
April 15 2009 17:24 GMT
#46
Thanks for posting this! Lately (yeh I know I must be a horrible person) the only time I play SC online is to play 3v3 BGH pubbies for fun. I tried Zerg for a while, but they are so reliant on your teammates knowing what they're doing. I constantly read that Zerg pretty much is there for support, not to actually do much damage or absorb damage. Problem is when my teammates do retarded stuff like build 4 sunkens and 2 lings early on.

How about tips for pubby play? To compensate for the wild mix of skill you'll see there, what would you recommend? I have the best success sticking with Protoss and hopefully having one Protoss ally. I just mass zeals early and try to essentially take out the opponents that prevent us from safely taking the middle. For instance, if you get lucky enough to have all your team-mates on top or bottom, proxy gates/cannons in the middle is devastating. It slows down or shuts down reinforcements and you have a quick rally point to everyone's base. That's the ideal situation I try to get into in every 3v3 BGH game.
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ted.
Profile Joined October 2008
United States81 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-15 17:58:06
April 15 2009 17:37 GMT
#47
Personally I think if your playing with pubs vs some pubstompers or just any pubs I guess, and you think your allies are going to be kinda noob and won't help you much I go terran. I always just wall in, get a bunker, and go tank drop. Then either I will 1) Just switch to mass mech and take ur 2nd gas right after you get your dropship and tanks headed out. Put down more factories as you get money, and put down double armory start upgrades (and if your vs zerg you will want your armoriers earlier and to make some gols) but if its all tosses ill just rip factories with all tanks and vultures, and just really get gols later for arbs or cars. Tank drop is key though if you plan on winning a game where you start with the huge disadvantage of scrub ass allies.

OR (this my personal fav in pubs) 2) I do a Tank Drop/FE build that gives you a HUGE economy much earlier, allowing you to support tons and tons of factories much earlier than normal. Basically I take my first gas around 12 ish, ane make a couple marines from your rax just 2 for now is probably fine. I start my factory and get a bunker especially if im vs a t whose going mm or a fger, then once I get 400 I expo (if possible) asap (works best with bases like 9/7 where u can still wall your nat, or 11 12 when no one is next to you and you can put a rax at choke). If its impossible to take an expo, I will just double CC my main to rip scvs, and once you can secure an expo later, just lift the second CC. Right after factory down put down starport and still go for tank drop. You definitely have to have a bunker with a few marines in it and be ready for repair, because you absolutely HAVE to hold an attack on you. It's often good to have an scv or a team mates lord, like what insane said, 1.5 screens away so you know when they are coming and can send scvs. I normally hotkey 6 scvs to 2 and 3 early on and if i see something i just send em over asap.

So your tank drop is about 20 seconds later, and you got an expo up and ur wall, keep macroing tanks off that factory for defense, and once you can support it start slapping down mass factories, with your 2nd CC pumping scvs you should have a huge economy and lots of resources relatively soon so you can support hella hella factories, and will start to outmass most players.

This build is very risky because you are very vulnerable for a short period of time, But if you plan on owning a bunch of pubbies and don't expect much help from your team this build definitely can RAPE. I have owned so many random pubs 1v3 with this, by getting 1 or 2 with tank drops and then just having MASS mech pretty early to steamroll the other 1 or 2. Just don't do it in a serious game your allies will probably be pissed. NEVER STOP MAKING SCVS!


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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 15 2009 17:38 GMT
#48
lol, just watched that kOOlam 2v2 rep. The guy is a fucking monster, ffs.
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Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
April 15 2009 18:31 GMT
#49
Bonus thing with tankdrop with not so good allys is that you can drop some tanks in their mains so they get some bonus defence if they are in a vulnerable position.

Also awesome guide even if I have already read most parts of it. I play alot of hunters and some of it works there too and it is always good to remind yourself of some stuff and add other. Big thumbs up.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-15 18:50:17
April 15 2009 18:49 GMT
#50
Hunters, imo, is much more fun and balanced, but BGH has far more users because of its mass appeal, so you sort of just live with the blemishes in its terrain and strategy.
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
April 15 2009 18:50 GMT
#51
Ted: Thanks for the thorough response. When you do a tank drop, about how many tanks do you usually drop? I've been in some games where I got owned by like 8 dropships full of tanks/gols. What do you think is the right amount for that first drop?
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
April 15 2009 19:18 GMT
#52
I love BGH
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Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
April 15 2009 19:49 GMT
#53
On April 16 2009 03:50 EscPlan9 wrote:
Ted: Thanks for the thorough response. When you do a tank drop, about how many tanks do you usually drop? I've been in some games where I got owned by like 8 dropships full of tanks/gols. What do you think is the right amount for that first drop?

On the first drop you just drop one or two on cliff or behind minerals.
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Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
April 15 2009 20:33 GMT
#54
BGh is the only fastest map ill ever play on. gl with guide (btw it looks very VERY detailed already)
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Person514cs
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-15 21:19:43
April 15 2009 21:19 GMT
#55
Do you guys think any pro gamer is able to win 1v3 C- level players on bgh with 5 mins no rush?
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
April 15 2009 21:21 GMT
#56
Pointless question.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
April 15 2009 21:31 GMT
#57
On April 16 2009 06:19 Person514cs wrote:
Do you guys think any pro gamer is able to win 1v3 C- level players on bgh with 5 mins no rush?

Absolutely not.
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LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
April 15 2009 21:59 GMT
#58
Dude, this guide is seriously awesome. Thanks so much for writing it. You've really persuaded me to start playing some more BGH. I was in the same boat as the dude a few posts before me where I was only able to play games where I would get stomped and get really frustrated.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 15 2009 22:02 GMT
#59
Also another thing I wanted to point out if playing BGH:

If you're going to tech, you DO NOT need to take your second gas the same time as the first - it's pointless.

You'll need 6 workers in most cases to do that, and whatever tech you want will be delayed because you won't have the minerals and unit count to defend yourself early on. This is even true for Terrans - try going for a fast factory build off of a quick 2 gas and watch your tank count get destroyed. If you want 2gas, at least wait till you have enough workers on minerals where it won't seriously fuck your eco. In fact there probably aren't many reasons to ever take your second gas uber fast unless you are entirely sure no one is going to be attacking you any minute soon, or you're Zerg going for 3 hatch mutas in which case you probably want more minerals early on anyway.
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
April 15 2009 22:57 GMT
#60
Man those replays are boring to watch after like 5 mins into them. I'm sure they're much more fun to play at least! Otherwise you're just watching low tech unit micro battles for 10 minutes, then eventually someone techs and it's back to the constant battles over and over again. About 30 minutes of "clank clank, pow pow, ahh!!"
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